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For those who missed it last night, Bill O'Reilly gave one of the best talking points memo's I have ever seen.

Since Zimmerman trial there have been an endless stream of protests and pundits throwing their two cents in the ring about the trial and race in America and bankruptcy in Detroit has only aggravated the wound. In a scathing take no prisoners monologue, O'Reilly covers the full gambit from President Obama to single mothers and the entertainment industry. Nothing O'Reilly says is "new", but the passion, rationality, and anger that he conveys through the speech is truly mesmerizing.

Anyone who thinks that Bill O'Reilly is just a conservative talking head clearly doesn't watch him on a frequent basis. He is his own man, and I don't agree with him on a number of issues, but I have a hard time not agree with or at least understanding the view point with everything that is said.

I kind of already know where this will lead, but I am curious on what other people's reactions are to O'Reilly's speech.

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Comments (42)

  • streetwannabe's picture

    Look forward to watching when I get home

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • txjustin's picture

    He is a hammer, and he hit the nail on the head. There is no arguing those factual statistics.

  • West Coast rainmaker's picture

    I personally like O'Reilly. He has been very fair with Obama in the past; he sounded like an Obama fan for years.

    He makes some good points, similar to those made by Charles Murray in "Coming Apart". Murray only examines white families in that book, but when you consider the negative outcomes associated with weaker family structures, and the abundance of weak family structures in the African American population...the results are hardly shocking.

    He hit the nail on the head here: having kids you cannot adequately care for creates a cycle of poverty. White or black, it is difficult (sociologically speaking) to break out of the slums.

    Upward mobility exists. If you keep a clean record, get decent grades, and go to a trade school, you can become middle class. The government and private charities spend vast sums of money on outreach programs. But a lot of these students basically fall off the track before they're even old enough to pursue such opportunities independently.

  • pacman007's picture

    Anybody who is overly patriotic is an idiot in my opinion so OReilly is an idiot in my book. With that said, Obama is a fucktard too.

    "Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a Champion" - Muhammad Ali

  • Cruncharoo's picture

    pacman007:

    Anybody who is overly patriotic is an idiot in my opinion so OReilly is an idiot in my book. With that said, Obama is a fucktard too.

    So where is the line? That is completely arbitrary.

    This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..

  • OkComputer's picture

    Yeah and I'm sure you're smarter than both of them right pacman?

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln

  • pacman007's picture

    You guys are crazy if you believe half the shit OReilly says or believes. The guy is an irrational idiot. And Obama, I lost all faith in him after the NSA episode.

    I don't think I'm smarter than them but I am smart enough to understand bullshit propaganda when I see it.

    "Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a Champion" - Muhammad Ali

  • Kenny Powers's picture

    I don't particularly like this guy, but I couldn't agree with him more.

    I grew up in poor area of Kentucky and Tennessee, and I think the problem there is largely the same as it is in poor black neighborhoods. It starts with poor family structure (read: 13 boys making their own rules) and really comes to a head because of drugs. I watched the Appalachians really change during my growing up years, prescription drugs and meth literally have changed the minds of any and everything living in the region. I imagine it's very similar in black neighborhoods.

    I think the solution is largely what Bill is saying. First off, you catch someone selling drugs? Put them in prison for a minimum sentence of 20 years (or just fucking shoot them). These people destroy countless others around them, they're worse than a virus. Anyone who wants to bitch about a race angle (read: 100% of meth cookers are white, just like 100% of people selling crack in South Chicago are black) is obviously uninterested in improving the community. Second, like he said, stop fucking glorifying this shit. And that falls on the media and leadership. Obama should be truly ashamed that Jay Z was in the White House. Young black men should be looking up to Obama, not that worthless rapper.

    My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.

  • In reply to Kenny Powers
    restructure-this's picture

    I grew up in the South Bronx during the 80's so I have experience as well, but I know I don't have the answer unlike you and Bill. What we do know is that proposal won't work; it was tried with the prior "war on drugs," which is one of if not one of the biggest causes of the destabilization within minority communities...the others are government driven as well.

    And the crap about "Anyone who wants to bitch about a race angle (read: 100% of meth cookers are white, just like 100% of people selling crack in South Chicago are black) is obviously uninterested in improving the community" is complete bunk because of the disproportionate number of minorities who are arrested for marijuana and other drugs (if you believe minorities smoke weed more than other races, I have a bridge to sale you), who then whether jailed or not receive some sort of record; it's hard enough trying to get a job being a minority (studies, although not large, but provides and eye into the issue, have shown that a white male with a record has an easier time getting a job than a minority without a record), but imagine getting one after being arrested.

  • In reply to restructure-this
    m8's picture

    Are you seriously making an argument on the disproportionate arrests for drug users between races? The point of the Talking Points is on establishing a stronger family unit and developing accountability. Here's an idea, want to get a job? Don't do drugs!! Its that easy. Your exact point was made on MSNBC the other day, and I was left shaking my head. The proportion of the population that gets arrested for doing something illegal is meaningless in my opinion to the broader discussion.

  • MAJMajor12's picture

    Im not a big OReilly fan because his emotional appeal to people is what drives his ratings, not his fair presentation of the facts. That being said, he made some good points.

    I'm not sure you can dismiss things like self-perpetuating cycles of poverty and our history as a country from the problem and place the blame solely on a deteriorating family model, drugs, and the entertainment industry. I think, unfortunately, all of these things are interconnected and its tough to find a single, easy cause that legislation can attack.

    What I do agree with him on is that it will take smart, educated and articulate african americans to take a stand in their own communities, refuse to accept excuses, and work to improve the situation. No matter how well meaning a white or hispanic politician might be, it will take an inward movement to make a lasting, positive change. Anyone else will be seen as an outsider and received with distrust.

  • TNA's picture

    I watched it. Good points, but nothing will change.

    The issue is people want liberty without responsibility. You cannot have one without the other. When you try you have Chiraq and Killadelphia.

  • In reply to m8
    duffmt6's picture

    How does what you are saying in any way disprove the theory that disproportionate drug related arrests have negatively affected the socioeconomic advancement of African Americans? Maybe I'm not understanding what "broader discussion" you are referring to?

    "For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."

  • Beny23's picture

    I totally agree with Bill. It's all in family structure and base of society that's messed up when there is no father.

  • BTbanker's picture

    "How do you get rats off an island, hmm?"

  • TNA's picture

    I support legalizing pot and some other drugs, but we are never going to legalize hardcore drugs. All you will do is move kids up the food chain and have them sell harder drugs. Some might not do it at all, but when you have a broken home, no education and a dirt poor area you will sell drugs over working for $8 bucks an hour somewhere.

    You cannot solve this problem without restricting individual freedom. Until we are ok with this the problem will continue.

  • In reply to m8
    restructure-this's picture

    This fits within the overall argument because it's pretty difficult to have a strong family unit when one already has difficulty securing a job and have the effects compounded by this so-called "war on drugs" that disproportionately effects a certain segment of the US population, and the fact that a family receives more from the government if the father is not around...all of these lead to a weaker family unit. One thing I do agree with you on is accountability but I do believe in fairness, which aren't mutually exclusive.

  • Amphipathic's picture

    TNA:

    I support legalizing pot and some other drugs, but we are never going to legalize hardcore drugs. All you will do is move kids up the food chain and have them sell harder drugs. Some might not do it at all, but when you have a broken home, no education and a dirt poor area you will sell drugs over working for $8 bucks an hour somewhere.

    You cannot solve this problem without restricting individual freedom. Until we are ok with this the problem will continue.

    Why not support the legalization of all drugs? I thought you of all people would be on board with this.

  • TNA's picture

    Do I personally support it? Yes, of course. But I freely recognize the destructive nature some of these drugs will have. I can stomach it though and many people can't.

    One could make an argument that the illegality of certain drugs force their concentration. I mean cocaine used to be added to coca cola. I'm sure it is more toxic now.

    Guys, lets be honest. 70% of Americans don't even have a college degree. People read at a 6-7th grade level. How are we going to explain to these people the complexities of these things.

  • Esuric's picture

    Anyone who thinks that Bill O'Reilly is a 'right-winged extremist' is absolutely clueless and lives in a bubble.

    "Elections are a futures market for stolen property"

  • eignenvector's picture

    I am no fan of O'Reilly but all his points are valid. The lack of strong family units has destroyed the black community and I agree that is the cause of kids heading towards drugs,gangs, and violent crime. He is right when he says the black leaders won't make this the real issue to be handled. Although this is more of poor issue than a black one.

    "When you expect things to happen - strangely enough - they do happen."
    - JP Morgan

  • UFOinsider's picture

    If you're under 60 years old and you watch Bill O'Reilly.....serious....please kill yourself.

    Bill O'Reilly says exactly what Roger Ailes tells him to say. His pissed off, drunken, abusive Irishman approach and utter disregard for facts forces me to call into question anyone who values him beyond propogandist. If you find yourself thining he's some type of positive influence on the world, please seek professional help.

    As far as drugs go

    1) Turn the military loose on the producers/dealers. Everyone knows who they are and where they are. Fuck their lawyers, fuck their bankers, and fuck their rights. If America has declared war on drugs, the standard rules don't apply and they're open game. Declare a one month amnesty/forgiveness period, then just kill everyone who remains in the business.

    2) Fund voluntary inpatient rehab and standard containment beyond the pathetic levels they are at. You'd be surprised how many people would benefit. While we're at it, audit doctors for overprescribing...a staggering amount of addiction is being created by the medical establishment.

    3) Defund law enforcement in the drug sector commesurate with the gains produced by the above two points. Let's face it, the law and order thing only deals with shit after it's too late. Also, execution AND torture for dirty cops in the drug biz.

    As far as Treyvon goes, here's what the government really thinks:

    "ALL IS WELL CITIZEN, PAY NO ATTENTION TO A REAL CIVIL RIGHTS CASE, THE BRADLEY MANNING CASE. DO NOT INTERFERE IN THE AFFAIRS OF THOSE WHO RUN THINGS, WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU. INSTEAD, FIXATE ON THIS SPECTACLE OF STREET VIOLENCE. NOW GET BACK TO WORK AND KNOW YOUR FUCKING ROLE YOU SERVILE SHEEP"

    Get busy living

  • streetwannabe's picture

    One of the most coherent speeches I've ever heard from O'Reilly. It hit the nail on the head for a lot of points (in a very narrow aspect).

    I do think it is funny how he vilifies drug dealers for selling "poison", and demands longer jail sentence, when so many corporations are doing nearly the same thing (just sneakier).

    @Esuric: What is the basis for your statement? I could probably give you more clips of him acting like a "right-wing extremist", than you can give me of him being a "rational centrist" (or however you characterize moderates).

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • DBCooper's picture

    We need to make IUDs and related female healthcare free/easily acceptable in this country. I am pro-small government, but this would actually be an investment in drastically reducing societal costs over the long haul - unlike starting another McWar on evil brown people.

    Please don't quote Patrick Bateman.

  • Esuric's picture

    UFOinsider:

    If you're under 60 years old and you watch Bill O'Reilly.....serious....please kill yourself. Bill O'Reilly says exactly what Roger Ailes tells him to say. His pissed off, drunken, abusive Irishman approach and utter disregard for facts forces me to call into question anyone who values him beyond propogandist. If you find yourself thining he's some type of positive influence on the world, please seek professional help.

    That's cool bro.

    UFOinsider:

    As far as drugs go
    1) Turn the military loose on the producers/dealers. Everyone knows who they are and where they are. Fuck their lawyers, fuck their bankers, and fuck their rights. If America has declared war on drugs, the standard rules don't apply and they're open game. Declare a one month amnesty/forgiveness period, then just kill everyone who remains in the business.

    This is the most idiotic, insane shit that I've heard in a pretty long time. It demonstrates complete ignorance of history and the philosophical foundations of our legal system, which is almost universally regarded as the most efficient legal system in human history (which is also why it's so widely emulated). It is a legal system designed to protect the common man from draconian lunatics such as yourself, who would arbitrarily put millions to death without trial and by decree. I just hope that you're not in a position of power because you're a pretty scary individual.

    "Elections are a futures market for stolen property"

  • Esuric's picture

    streetwannabe:

    @Esuric: What is the basis for your statement? I could probably give you more clips of him acting like a "right-wing extremist", than you can give me of him being a "rational centrist" (or however you characterize moderates).

    On social issues he's certainly conservative, and he always takes the neo-conservative position with regard to foreign policy, but when it comes to economic issues, he frequently sides with the left (something that's fairly common among neo-conservatives). He has called for increased financial regulation on multiple occasions, specifically in the commodities markets and blamed the recession primarily on wallstreet. Here's a debate between Stossel and O'Reilly on commodities markets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NnqWqNJ1I
    (shows a fundamental misunderstanding of markets).

    Edit: Here's a real right-winged extremist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7zwT3Fq_QU

    "Elections are a futures market for stolen property"

  • In reply to Esuric
    streetwannabe's picture

    Haha, yes. This is still taking a conservative slant (IMO anyways). The whole "this land is my land" (he forgot "this land is your land"), is pretty hilarious and communist if I may say so.

    Regardless, he is still easily classified as a "right-wing extremist" in my books. I honestly really never watch his show, but have seen many clips of him with Colbert and Stewart and a lot of the stuff he says is pretty out there.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • Esuric's picture

    streetwannabe:

    Regardless, he is still easily classified as a "right-wing extremist" in my books. I honestly really never watch his show, but have seen many clips of him with Colbert and Stewart and a lot of the stuff he says is pretty out there.

    Well this is what I mean by 'living in a bubble.' A lot of people allow left-winged comedians, like Stewart and Maher for example, to define the world for them, through their narrow lenses. If this is your only exposure to O'Reilly then yes, you're going to think he represents the far right wing of conservatism, but It's not consistent with the facts. Which is, again, my point.

    Also, can you give me an example of some of the things he has said that's 'out there?'

    "Elections are a futures market for stolen property"

  • streetwannabe's picture

    Esuric:

    streetwannabe:

    Regardless, he is still easily classified as a "right-wing extremist" in my books. I honestly really never watch his show, but have seen many clips of him with Colbert and Stewart and a lot of the stuff he says is pretty out there.

    Well this is what I mean by 'living in a bubble.' A lot of people allow left-winged comedians, like Stewart and Maher for example, to define the world for them, through their narrow lenses. If this is your only exposure to O'Reilly then yes, you're going to think he represents the far right wing of conservatism, but It's not consistent with the facts. Which is, again, my point.

    Also, can you give me an example of some of the things he has said that's 'out there?'

    I'm not talking about how they portray them though. I completely understand that they are comedians (with the exception of Maher whom I don't really care for). When O'Reilly is on The Daily Show, or Colbert/Stewart are on the O'Reilly Factor, he just comes off as a numb skull to me. It just goes to show (for me), that O'Reilly is an idiot when he is being out smarted by comedians on political topics which are his realm.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • In reply to restructure-this
    m8's picture

    My point is that the arrest rate of drug use between different races should be irrelevant to the argument. You're talking about an outcome from a symptom of the problem. Who cares who is getting arrested, the problem is the drug use. And BillO is saying that a stronger family with accountability and stronger community will help the problem. Once we start debating the differences in sentencing, arrest rates, etc, I think we begin to quickly lose focus on the actual point of the discussion. Will someone who gets arrested for drug use have a hard time getting a job? Maybe, but so does the person who fails an employer drug test. If you're serious about your future, don't be stupid with your drug use.

  • In reply to m8
    duffmt6's picture

    I still don't have the slightest idea what point you are trying to get across. It seems pretty naive to think that higher arrest rates wouldn't have an effect on "stronger family". And what are you talking about in regards to drug testing?

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  • In reply to m8
    restructure-this's picture

    I'm saying if you remove what you consider an "outcome" then there is an opportunity to build a stronger community. Certain drug use (I'm referring to marijuana) on its own doesn't destroy families, the arrest and subsequent prosecution does.

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    "Elections are a futures market for stolen property"

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    My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.