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Just take a few seconds and peruse through Bain or McKinsey’s employee reviews on glassdoor.com. Indeed, it does not take long for one to realize that consultants work extremely hard, and often spend a majority of their time on the road. It’s also no secret that analysts and traders work a grueling shift- we’ve all heard of, and maybe even lived through the horror stories of sleep deprivation nightmares.

So say you’re in your final months of college with a relatively great offer in hand. Your parents are proud. You feel accomplished. The problem is, you’ve been seeing a girl that bakes pies like Paula Dean, but has the body of Kate Upton. So, my question is, Is it even possible to keep this near perfect 10 happy while you grind out your entry-level years? Or, should you cut your losses and avoid burning a bridge?

I would normally reserve a topic like this for Sunday Fun Day, but are analysts seriously destined to adhere to “MOB for life?

Comments (66)

  • ekimlacks's picture

    If she had a body like Kate Upton, I'd find a 9-5 job...

    I think that we are all clinging to a great many piano tops...

  • In reply to IB2001
    M Friedman's picture

    IB2001 wrote:

    But she might leave you because your pay sucks.

    Exactly.

  • Sexy_Like_Enrique's picture

    This is quite a scenario to be worrying about. But, how many guys are lucky enough to face this kind of scenario - dating a 10 and landing a BB IBD / MBB consulting offer at the same time?

    In the end though, your career >> girlfriend. When you make VP in IBD at GS, you can still end up with tons of hot girls who are into your money and status. A lot of times, getting hot girls is about your dough and your game. One great thing about being a guy is that you can be old(er) and still get fresh hot girls left and right. Look at Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner.

  • workerbee's picture

    pics or she doesnt exist.

  • heister's picture

    If you were me, you wouldnt have this problem. Also hot chicks dont bake pies, fat chicks do.

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  • Hamilton's picture

    @0:50

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  • ScoobyDoobie's picture

    You mention her body looks like Kate Uptons, but what does her face look like? Do not under any circumstance dump her, let her dump you. This will make her feel guilty and she will be back for booty calls.

    Harvey Specter doesn't get cotton mouth.

  • mapr89's picture

    There are hot girls that can bake..... If both are mature enough, it can work, its all about communication.

  • Ravenous's picture

    Assuming you're not full of shit and are actually dating such a girl, you're almost guaranteed to lose her either way. You're going to be working too much to entertain her (and let's be honest, if she's that hot, she's almost certainly going to be your run of the mill American princess that expects to be doted on). If you take a less demanding job, you'll probably still lose -- you'll have more time to spend with her as a regular 9-5 chump, but you won't be making as much. Her options will increase as she leaves college and starts to get serious about settling down, probably with an older man who makes more than you. If she's not in college, it's sort of a miracle that you're even dating her to begin with unles you have a trust fund.

    In fact, not to be brutal, but if you're a regular guy who is "merely" smart and going to a target school or whatever allowed you to land a job at a BB, your relationship with such a woman is probably nothing more than a dating market inefficiency that is on its way to be corrected. Not trying to be a hater, but I've seen that happen a million times.

    Fuck her as many times as possible, take some pictures if possible, and then accept the BB job.

  • Febreeze's picture

    all depends on the size of your dick bra.

  • In reply to Febreeze
    APAE's picture

    febreeze wrote:
    all depends on the size of your dick bra.
    Oh so true.

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  • San Ford's picture

    I'd say let her down gently. Calmly explain to her that you have a lucrative offer for a highly sought after front-office position that is simply a better fit than her, but that you'll keep her info on file. This method should be foolproof, unless she counter-offers with the back-office entry-level position...

  • eriginal's picture

    I thought I would be in this situation as well but landed a position in Buyside ER - all game, no pain.

    "One man with courage makes a majority." — Andrew Jackson

  • In reply to Febreeze
    Flake's picture

    febreeze wrote:
    all depends on the size of your dick bra.

    If my dick needed a bra, it would be a DD.

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  • 2x2Matrix's picture

    If your girlfriend would let you turn down a great job for her, she's not someone you should want in your life anyway. So take the job and take your chances. It's not like you would be any more appealing if you declined your high-paying corporate job for a less-high-paying corporate job (whatever "cool" factor comes with banking/trading/consulting is pretty trivial and easily outweighed by the personal sacrifices involved).

    But Ravenous, your answer... talk about bleak. One the one hand, I see what you're getting at, and yes, there are plenty of women who measure a man's worthiness by the size of his wallet. But on the other hand, it's more than a little bit sad that you'd classify a gorgeous woman dating a guy who doesn't piss money as a "dating market inefficiency." Really? You've never seen a beautiful woman who's dating a surf instructor or an aspiring musician?

    The reality is that there are plenty of gorgeous women who don't aspire to marrying some hedge fund douchebag who lives and breathes financial wizardry and empty status symbols (for starters, some of them care about looks, and have no intention of dating a balding chubby guy, even if he's got $20 million in his bank account). But if you're so boring that all that you bring to the table is money - and if you're so boring that you can't even think of criteria besides money by which women assess you - then they're obviously not going to be interested.

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  • In reply to 2x2Matrix
    heister's picture

    2x2Matrix wrote:
    If your girlfriend would let you turn down a great job for her, she's not someone you should want in your life anyway. So take the job and take your chances. It's not like you would be any more appealing if you declined your high-paying corporate job for a less-high-paying corporate job (whatever "cool" factor comes with banking/trading/consulting is pretty trivial and easily outweighed by the personal sacrifices involved).

    But Ravenous, your answer... talk about bleak. One the one hand, I see what you're getting at, and yes, there are plenty of women who measure a man's worthiness by the size of his wallet. But on the other hand, it's more than a little bit sad that you'd classify a gorgeous woman dating a guy who doesn't piss money as a "dating market inefficiency." Really? You've never seen a beautiful woman who's dating a surf instructor or an aspiring musician?

    The reality is that there are plenty of gorgeous women who don't aspire to marrying some hedge fund douchebag who lives and breathes financial wizardry and empty status symbols (for starters, some of them care about looks, and have no intention of dating a balding chubby guy, even if he's got $20 million in his bank account). But if you're so boring that all that you bring to the table is money - and if you're so boring that you can't even think of criteria besides money by which women assess you - then they're obviously not going to be interested.

    Hey I don't apperciate your dispariging tone about hedgefund guys with 8 figure banks accounts!

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  • In reply to 2x2Matrix
    Ravenous's picture

    2x2Matrix wrote:
    If your girlfriend would let you turn down a great job for her, she's not someone you should want in your life anyway. So take the job and take your chances. It's not like you would be any more appealing if you declined your high-paying corporate job for a less-high-paying corporate job (whatever "cool" factor comes with banking/trading/consulting is pretty trivial and easily outweighed by the personal sacrifices involved).

    But Ravenous, your answer... talk about bleak. One the one hand, I see what you're getting at, and yes, there are plenty of women who measure a man's worthiness by the size of his wallet. But on the other hand, it's more than a little bit sad that you'd classify a gorgeous woman dating a guy who doesn't piss money as a "dating market inefficiency." Really? You've never seen a beautiful woman who's dating a surf instructor or an aspiring musician?

    The reality is that there are plenty of gorgeous women who don't aspire to marrying some hedge fund douchebag who lives and breathes financial wizardry and empty status symbols (for starters, some of them care about looks, and have no intention of dating a balding chubby guy, even if he's got $20 million in his bank account). But if you're so boring that all that you bring to the table is money - and if you're so boring that you can't even think of criteria besides money by which women assess you - then they're obviously not going to be interested.

    No, you didn't understand my post. We're not talking about a woman, or even "women in general." We're talking about a 10 on the 10 scale, which is like a 3 sigma event in the United States of Fat Chicks. For a 10 to be dating some schmoe in an entry level job is an inefficiency. It doesn't necessarily mean she is strictly interested in money, but you're confused about life if you think she's going to hang around for the 30 minutes she gets to spend with this guy at the end of the day. Life doesn't work that way, because a female 10 has more options than you can ever imagine as a man -- she could literally date any man she wants any where. If her focus is not money, it will be something else, but it won't be "average" -- her genes literally will not allow that to happen (if you doubt it, look up hypergamy on wikipedia).

  • mozacq's picture

    I usually do not respond to these types of posts but I'm doing it - I've been there... not exactly there (my career has been military) but I had the same decision (chick over job) and I didn't listen to the advice of those who went before me...

    Like you (or maybe not depending on age) I took the movie Family Man a little too seriously... what does Hollywood know about relationships after all? I decided not to take a military position because of time away/risk in order to dedicate to my woman. Most of the advice I got averaged out to: If it's meant to be, she'll be there. Man, I cannot agree more, if there are irreparable problems in your relationship, time off is NOT going to fix it! If your relationship is sound, guess what - she'll be there! And I've seen hundreds of cases like this: Set your relationship up now with the expectation that you are going to be busy with your career. Reassure her that you will always be honest, loving, etc. but that your work is your life when you're not with her.

    I cannot stress this one enough - I've seen this decision played out literally hundreds of times and I've never, I repeat never, seen it work successfully long-term when he made the choice to stay home.

    Go after your dream, stay loyal to your woman, and give her the attention she needs when you can, and if it's meant to be, then you'll be set for life.

  • In reply to mozacq
    mapr89's picture

    mozacq wrote:
    I usually do not respond to these types of posts but I'm doing it - I've been there... not exactly there (my career has been military) but I had the same decision (chick over job) and I didn't listen to the advice of those who went before me...

    Like you (or maybe not depending on age) I took the movie Family Man a little too seriously... what does Hollywood know about relationships after all? I decided not to take a military position because of time away/risk in order to dedicate to my woman. Most of the advice I got averaged out to: If it's meant to be, she'll be there. Man, I cannot agree more, if there are irreparable problems in your relationship, time off is NOT going to fix it! If your relationship is sound, guess what - she'll be there! And I've seen hundreds of cases like this: Set your relationship up now with the expectation that you are going to be busy with your career. Reassure her that you will always be honest, loving, etc. but that your work is your life when you're not with her.

    I cannot stress this one enough - I've seen this decision played out literally hundreds of times and I've never, I repeat never, seen it work successfully long-term when he made the choice to stay home.

    Go after your dream, stay loyal to your woman, and give her the attention she needs when you can, and if it's meant to be, then you'll be set for life.

    I completely agree with you. Wise and sound words. Never seek for relationship advice from friends or other people. Do what you gotta do.Each person is different...

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  • Relinquis's picture

    You kids should focus on having an actual relationship before worrying about dumping 10s, or whatever scale you use to rank your cubicle fantasies...

    Seriously though, it doesn't make sense to end a relationship with someone you like just because you will be working long hours. Just have a proper chat and manage expectations. Your biggest issue won't be the time you will be away from one another, rather that you will "change" and could end up becoming a less interesting person to be around.

    There are so many people in finance who used to be interesting...

  • Febreeze's picture

    ^not just finance.

    (but keep the rating scale - wtf's your prob with it)

  • In reply to Relinquis
    heister's picture

    Relinquis wrote:
    You kids should focus on having an actual relationship before worrying about dumping 10s, or whatever scale you use to rank your cubicle fantasies...

    Seriously though, it doesn't make sense to end a relationship with someone you like just because you will be working long hours. Just have a proper chat and manage expectations. Your biggest issue won't be the time you will be away from one another, rather that you will "change" and could end up becoming a less interesting person to be around.

    There are so many people in finance who used to be interesting...

    Says the guy who uses an arbitrary system to rate how interesting people are.

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  • In reply to heister
    Relinquis's picture

    heister wrote:
    Relinquis wrote:
    You kids should focus on having an actual relationship before worrying about dumping 10s, or whatever scale you use to rank your cubicle fantasies...

    Seriously though, it doesn't make sense to end a relationship with someone you like just because you will be working long hours. Just have a proper chat and manage expectations. Your biggest issue won't be the time you will be away from one another, rather that you will "change" and could end up becoming a less interesting person to be around.

    There are so many people in finance who used to be interesting...

    Says the guy who uses an arbitrary system to rate how interesting people are.

    I don't understand this comment. What do you mean arbitrary system? I didn't propose any system to rate people...

    When you are working long hours and sacrifice your non-work activities, you will become less interesting to women unless you actively maintain your non-finance interests/activities. After 4 years of the grind, most finance and other professionals I know are less interesting than they used to be.. there are exceptions and people do learn this lesson after neglecting their social lives for a few years... Just trying to enlighten the younger folks on this forum (the guys who suggested dumping a girl they like for work... it's a false dichotomy)

    I think I just earned my first monkey shit...

    febreeze, rate women however you want, but realise that one man's 10 is another man's 6.5...

  • Febreeze's picture

    well, yeah.

    but OP didn't offer any pics. He just said she's a 10 - so this is supposed to fit any man's standard of a 10.

    maybe, I'm just retarded, idk...

  • In reply to Soccerguy728
    Flake's picture

    Soccerguy728 wrote:
    what does an aboriginal 10 look like?

    Same as an aboriginal 2.

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  • In reply to Relinquis
    NewGuy's picture

    Relinquis wrote:

    Seriously though, it doesn't make sense to end a relationship with someone you like just because you will be working long hours. Just have a proper chat and manage expectations.

    What he said.

  • ConanDBull's picture

    I dont know about you guys but I know I cant handle being in a committed relationship while consulting... why deal with the tears and angst of being away 4-5 days out of the week?

    i just broke up with my ex-girl, because I know what is coming down the line... (ps. she's a great looking girl, smart and funny and all that, but nuts with stalkerish tendencies) I will tell you the golden line boys...

    "I love you baby. But I can't deal with this anymore, I am completely uninterested in being in a relationship. You and I are now too expensive emotionally and I can't afford to deal with it anymore. I'm not writing off a possiblity of us in the future but right now I can't handle all of this."

    took me 6 months to perfect this line but God damn it worked WONDERS!!!!

    PS. The beginning stages of your career are more important than any woman dont tell me anything different lol

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  • trazer985's picture

    The male opinion of femaies and their "purpose" on this site is scary. One day you will see your wife/girlfriend as your partner and not an asset. The day you see someone that way, consider marrying them, until then, jog on.

    Regarding the fact that perfect 10's can get any man they want. To an extent yes, but they have a very limited lifespan for such looks, and nature is always creating more 10s for these rich kids to date, but their supply of available spouses is a fixed quantity for the period that their looks can justify.

  • JulianRobertson's picture

    When you are 21-25 years old...why are you even bothering with a long term relationship? There's 300 million people in the US, meaning roughly 150 million females...I'm sure you can find at least one out of 150 million that fits you at some time in your life.

  • In reply to ConanDBull
    Febreeze's picture

    ConanDBull wrote:
    I dont know about you guys but I know I cant handle being in a committed relationship while consulting... why deal with the tears and angst of being away 4-5 days out of the week?

    i just broke up with my ex-girl, because I know what is coming down the line... (ps. she's a great looking girl, smart and funny and all that, but nuts with stalkerish tendencies) I will tell you the golden line boys...

    "I love you baby. But I can't deal with this anymore, I am completely uninterested in being in a relationship. You and I are now too expensive emotionally and I can't afford to deal with it anymore. I'm not writing off a possiblity of us in the future but right now I can't handle all of this."

    took me 6 months to perfect this line but God damn it worked WONDERS!!!!

    PS. The beginning stages of your career are more important than any woman dont tell me anything different lol

  • ConanDBull's picture

    +1 Febreeze...

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  • futuretrader1999's picture

    Who the hell is Kate upton?

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  • In reply to futuretrader1999
    bfin's picture

    futuretrader1999 wrote:
    Who the hell is Kate upton?

    Good God. Bad joke.

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  • alexpasch's picture

    Yes it is possible, though honestly, the best path depends on the girl (assuming all you care about is maximizing your chances of keeping the girl)...different girls value material things differently, and it's not that correlated to how hot they are...

    Consultant to a Fortune 50 Company

  • In reply to alexpasch
    bfin's picture

    alexpasch wrote:
    different girls value material things differently, and it's not that correlated to how hot they are...

    This. A lot more to do with upbringing.

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  • In reply to bfin
    eriginal's picture

    blackfinancier wrote:
    alexpasch wrote:
    different girls value material things differently, and it's not that correlated to how hot they are...

    This. A lot more to do with upbringing.

    And cup size.

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  • In reply to Abdel
    ConanDBull's picture

    Abdel wrote:

    all these bitches be lyin'

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  • Febreeze's picture

    abdel you just killed my morning lol

  • melvvvar's picture

    you can have a three way with lefty and righty.

  • nauprillion's picture

    disregard females, acquire currency

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