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Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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 on 12/11/10 at 2:25pm
Tired Gekko

In Part 2 of Gekko’s Guidance, I’m going to cover S&T interview prep (also can be used for Research). Part 1 of Gekko’s Guidance.

This guide is meant to cover all the “How do I prepare for XXX interview in XX product group”. The simple truth is that 99% of preparation is the same regardless of the position (sales or trading) and regardless of the product group. If you are interviewing for sales, you need to know the same info that a person interviewing for trading does. Sales gets a bad rap on this site, but I have met a lot of sales guys and they need to know the market and the product just as well as the traders do because they are the ones that need to pitch their client and answer the client’s questions. A lot of the sales guys I know were ex-traders who for one reason or another quit trading to go into sales---and they love it, less stress, they know all about the product, and they do just as well as when they were trading.

The difference between these interviews is that they will focus on one area more than the other, but that does not mean you should not have a stock pick ready when going into a fixed income interview. In fact, most fixed income interviews ask economy and equity questions because they think you will know those and don’t think you should know a lot about mortgages or distressed debt.

Warning: This guide is not meant to be a cram sheet. You can’t pop two adderall before the final and think you are set. This guide is meant to be completed over time and to prepare you for the marathon that is the interviewing process.

Section 1—The Fit
Despite the guide’s primary focus on technical questions, the fit part of the interview (anything not talking about markets or brain teasers) will be the longest part of the interview and will carry the most weight. To prepare for the fit part, I would read the WSO Fit interview guide and look hard at your resume for possible questions that could be asked (ie I see you studied abroad in China, what did you think?). Prepare answers and try weave an interesting story rather than “China was really cool. Great experience” Remember Rule #7—Control the Interview

Now some of you might be asking, If fit is so important why bother with technicals? Technicals are there to differentiate candidates. If you have two candidates who are about equal in the fit category, you are going to take the one that either A) has a skill set you want (ie computer science) or B) knows more technicals. Technicals also help show that passion I talked about in Part 1.

Section 2-Technicals
First thing I recommend is that you read and download the Vault Guide to Finance Interviews.
I provided the link, but a quick Google search reveals several other links should this one go down.The guide is excellent in providing a basic understanding of the products and what types of questions you can receive.

Another excellent resource for brain teaser questions is Heard on the Street. The book is basically the bible for brainteaser and math related questions. You might expect 1 or 2 brain teaser questions and maybe some math, but it is not definite. The math would be something like what is 39x39 or simple expected value. While getting the right answer is good, the interviewer really just wants to see your thought process and how you approach a brain teaser. My friends tell me that brain teasers and expected value questions are much more likely at prop shops. All the brain teasers/math questions I got during my BB interviews could have been answered by the Vault guide (it has a small section on brain teasers).

I also think either reading the Market Wizards books or Come Into My Trading Room by Alex Elder would be beneficial for S&T. Market Wizards is candid interviews with top traders, and Elder’s book is one of those “learn how to trade books”, but I really like it. The point of reading either of these books is to give you a better sense of what people look for in a trade and the different ways people trade. These books let you get a feel for what a trader is thinking, rather than the technical knowledge “an call option is….., you calculate delta by………”

Staying up to date with the markets
I personally think that the Financial Times is a better paper, but I will talk about the WSJ because that is what most people have access to. If you only have 30 minutes of free time a day and can only get your information from one source-read the front cover of the WSJ, the front page of The Marketplace section, and the Money and Investing section. The Marketplace section can be used to generate a stock pick or a talk about why a specific event makes an industry look attractive.

Your primary focus should be the money and investing section. Read the front page, Heard of the Street (back page), Moving the Market, and any article on currencies or commodities. The idea is to get a general sense of what is happening in the markets along with investor’s general mindset (aka the driving forces). That way when you tell the interview what is your view of the economy you can provide some examples—I think Energy will be a very big sector with higher commodity prices, demand from China and India, Potash, BHP. Maybe mention a growth number you picked up in your reading about the increase in demand for Iron ore, whatever. The idea is to have a 2-3 investment “themes” and examples of those themes playing out.

Apart from the WSJ/FT, there are plenty of other sources of information to go to and most of them have been listed on this site. I like PIMCO.com for fixed income research, Abnormalreturns.com, and seekingalpha.com

I would say that those sites would keep you up to date with current events and provide plenty of investment ideas to talk about during an interview.

Specific Stock Question
When it comes to the specific stock question, I would have at least 2 choices. You should know the stocks P/E ratio (historically high or low), Sales, Net Income, Operating Margin, products, risks to their business, areas where they are growing, what are their strengths—brand name, international exposure, and things that they have done recently. I always tried to pick a stock and then steer the interview back to the general economy. So I would touch on its P/E ratio and say whether it was cheap or expensive, I would then say areas they were growing, some of their strengths, and how events in the general economy would affect it going forward. This strategy might not work for an equity research interview, but it worked most of the time for general interviews.

Facts & Figures you NEED to know
You should the current levels for all of the below, you should also know what their price movements looked like over the last 6-9 months and , if possible, the market sentiment behind the moves—all of which becomes very easy if you actively follow the markets. You should also note their support and resistance levels and events that could force them out of their ranges.

The S&P 500, The Dow Jones, Oil, Gold, 2 yr UST, 5 yr UST, 10yr UST, 30yr UST, Fed Funds Rate, O/N Libor (What is Libor--and I don't just mean the name?), 3-month Libor, 6 month Libor, USD,GBP,JPY,EUR,AUD,CAD
(I would also know the ball park duration of the 10yr and 30yr and EXACTLY what duration is. I mean saying the alphabet in your sleep kind of know)

I have had interviews where people ask me about the 2yr UST. As I already said, I have had interviews where they ask you to detail the price movements for the last 6 months and then what market factors would cause the a change.

Additional Prep
If you would like to learn more general info about a topic, use Google and investopedia (or Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_macro

Click on the link and scroll to the bottom of the page to see a gold mind of information. Having more general knowledge of different products and trading strategies allows you to ask interviewers more detailed questions about the market they trade, what they do on a daily basis, and how they got to their current position. It also allows you to see what is out there and what catches your interest.

More Technical Stuff
If you were to follow the assigned reading and keep up to date with the markets, you would probably be fine for any S&T interview. Below is a list of more technical books that provide a deeper understanding of a particular product. While they are all good reads, if you have time I would read 1 or 2 of them that interest you so that you can get a better understanding and REALLY impress the interviewer. If you have an interview that is geared towards a particular product, you are not expected to know everything about the product, but I would know some basics. I would know what factors affect the price of the product, risk factors the product faces and how to hedge them, why someone would want to invest in a particular product, what customers the product attracts.

To give an example lets use a MBS. Factors that affect price are interest rate, prepayments, credit if it’s not an agency security. How to hedge those risks—UST or derivatives for IR and Credit risk, Prepay risk ??? (the answer is the dollar roll, or the lock out period if its CMBS, but that is a little too technical). Why someone would want to invest—diversify portfolio, higher yields. Which bond do I want to prepay faster: a bond priced at 95 or a bond priced at 105? Answer is we want the 95 bond to prepay faster so that we can collect the principal at par.

If you happen to land an internship or FT offer in one of these particular product areas, I would buy the mentioned book to keep it at your desk.

Technical Analysis-Japanese Candlestick Charting

Energy -Energy Trading and Investing (A great introduction to all the various energy markets)

equity value Investing- Security Analysis by Benjamin Graham. Also, =Margin of Safety .

General Equity Trading—Come into My Trading Room by Alexander Elder

Options— Options Volatility and Pricing by Natenberg
Exotic Options Trading--I am a big fan of Exotic Options Trading. It was written by a Barcap derivatives trader and explains general options trading in a very simple language. It then goes on to cover various 1st and 2nd generation derivatives, their characteristics, risk profiles, ect. I would also recommend this book if you are starting in FX options because a normal FX options trader deals with digitals, barriers, ect.

Rates-Interest Rate Swaps and Their Derivatives (Recommended by a swaps trader at a BB and assigned to the interns)

FX-Foreign Exchange by Tim Weithers (I have recommended this countless times and I will continue to do so. #1 FX book I have ever read)

Credit—Fabozzi; Distressed Debt Investing; Handbook of Municipal Bonds/

Mortgages—The Handbook of Mortgage Backed Securities

Emerging Markets—An Amazing Thread on EM Trading

In Closing

In this last post I laid out a lot of information and informational tools to help you get ahead in the interview process. I want you to use them, but remember Rule #6 and Rule #10 (Ah, yes, there WERE only 9 rules, but I decided to add another one even though it is sort of implied in a few others.

Rule #10-Always be Honest and Humble
If someone asks you if you know about X, always respond with “I have done some reading so I know a little bit, I know that X and Y about Z. Show the interviewer your knowledge by talking about it—it may lead to more detailed questions, but if you are honest and humble about it those detailed questions that you don’t know won’t hurt you. If you get a question you don’t know, admit you don’t know it, offer some guesses with your reasoning behind them and then politely ask the interviewer what the answer is. Even if you know a great deal about a topic, it’s always safer to play it humble and let your answers reveal your knowledge. If you walk into an interview with a cocky know it all attitude, I guarantee you will get mind fucked with technicals.

Well that’s all folks. As usual, leave any comments or questions below and enjoy your weekend.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
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trade4size's picture

This should be stickied in

trade4size
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(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 3:18pm

This should be stickied in the S&T Section.

If you are interviewing for a S&T Generalist program this pretty much will prepare you for it. If you are interviewing for a more specific division Equity, Fixed Income, Commodity, Currency I would focus on that area.

I still dont know what duration is haha.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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happypantsmcgee's picture

Just a quick add on to your

happypantsmcgee
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(Almost Human, 9,333
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 3:33pm

Just a quick add on to your pick a stock section. I always have 2 stocks ready to pitch but usually have one buy and one short. As far as picking 2, would you recommend having a short position as well as a long or does it matter?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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happypantsmcgee wrote: Just a

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 3:36pm
happypantsmcgee:

Just a quick add on to your pick a stock section. I always have 2 stocks ready to pitch but usually have one buy and one short. As far as picking 2, would you recommend having a short position as well as a long or does it matter?

I think having one long and one short is a nice combination. Another alternative would be to have a general industry you would short and why---ie. Defense Contractors.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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I would also say that

happypantsmcgee
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  on 12/11/10 at 3:52pm

I would also say that technical analysis is probably not something you should bring up unless you a) know how the interviewer views or uses technicals or b) know a fair amount about it yourself. Some people think you have a better chance of using astrology to predict stock movements then using TA. Others live and die by it so know what you're getting into.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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happypantsmcgee wrote: I

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 4:00pm
happypantsmcgee:

I would also say that technical analysis is probably not something you should bring up unless you a) know how the interviewer views or uses technicals or b) know a fair amount about it yourself. Some people think you have a better chance of using astrology to predict stock movements then using TA. Others live and die by it so know what you're getting into.

Very true. If its FX, I think you can mention technical analysis just because the market relies so heavily on it. I also think it is ok to bring up highs and lows. but apart from that you may want to feel out your interviewer. I always knew that some people use technical analysis more than others, but then I met a trader who ABSOLUTELY didn't believe in it (not even basic support and resistance) and our conversation got very awkward.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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trade4size's picture

Gekko that trader probably

trade4size
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(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 4:11pm

Gekko that trader probably sucks or is only interested in big theme like moves.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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Easily one of the best S&T

Bi-Winning
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(Senior Gorilla, 763
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 8:12pm

Easily one of the best S&T threads on WSO (silver banana'd).

@Gekko:

With regards to "Come Into My Trading Room", how would you compare it to Elder's best-seller "Trading for a Living"? Judging by the e-book pdf copies that I've skimmed through, there seems to be a substantial overlap of content, however Trading for a Living places greater emphasis on trading psychology and technical analysis, while Come Into My Trading Room focuses on position sizing and money management. I plan on getting one of the Elder books for Christmas.

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Gekko - awesome post, thanks

WallStreetOasis.com
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  on 12/11/10 at 4:32pm

Gekko - awesome post, thanks again for taking the time to help everyone out.

T4S - As I've mentioned before, stickies are really a slippery slope. Besides the issue of having it on the home page sticked (no other posts will come above it), there have been ~50-100 or so threads in the history of WSO that people argue shoudl be stickied to the top of a forum. After several years, you will probably be left with 10-20 sitckied threads which is really just a mess and hides any new content. What I prefer to do is encourage everyone to give this post a 5 Banana Rating so that it works its way up the Top Ranked Content.

As you can see, most of the best threads / content can be found right here: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/rankposts

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damn and i thought I was

ambition56
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  on 12/11/10 at 4:38pm

damn and i thought I was already pretty prepared with my technicals... I guess not

is your guide more geared towards FT recruiting... I am going for an undergraduate summer internship and people have always been impressed with my technicals and market knowledge but I don't have that deep an understanding of many products as you detail

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ambition56 wrote: damn and i

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 4:54pm
ambition56:

damn and i thought I was already pretty prepared with my technicals... I guess not

is your guide more geared towards FT recruiting... I am going for an undergraduate summer internship and people have always been impressed with my technicals and market knowledge but I don't have that deep an understanding of many products as you detail

This is geared for recruiting of any kind. I would say you should know everything above "Additional Prep". Like I said, the more technical stuff was for people who wanted some good resources for different products.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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I Am Batman wrote: Easily one

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 8:41pm
I Am Batman:

Easily one of the best S&T threads on WSO (silver banana'd).

@Gekko:

With regards to "Come Into My Trading Room", how would you compare it to Elder's best-seller "Trading for a Living"? Judging by the e-book pdf copies that I've skimmed through, there seems to be a substantial overlap of content, however Trading for a Living places greater emphasis on trading psychology and technical analysis, while Come Into My Trading Room focuses on position sizing and money management. I plan on getting one of the Elder books for Christmas.

I only read Come Into My Trading Room because it was the newer book. He definitely covers tech analysis in Come into my Trading Room, and you can find other books to supplement what you are missing.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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JSA's picture

Thank you so much for your

JSA
    
 
(Monkey, 39
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 10:49pm

Thank you so much for your help Gekko.

Does this apply to small proprietary trading/ market making firms as well or is it mostly BBs?

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JSA wrote: Thank you so much

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/11/10 at 10:55pm
JSA:

Thank you so much for your help Gekko.

Does this apply to small proprietary trading/ market making firms as well or is it mostly BBs?

Every S&T interview. Although, prop firms tend to focus on brain teasers a lot more and smaller firms may put an added emphasis on fit.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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trade4size's picture

If I were in charge of the

trade4size
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  on 12/12/10 at 2:04pm

If I were in charge of the interviewing for anyone going to be prop trading whether thats at a dealer/hf/prop desk I would definitely hire a trading psychologist to do part of the interview on any potential candidates wanting to move forward with.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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trade4size wrote: If I were

JSA
    
 
(Monkey, 39
 
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  on 12/12/10 at 7:01pm
trade4size:

If I were in charge of the interviewing for anyone going to be prop trading whether thats at a dealer/hf/prop desk I would definitely hire a trading psychologist to do part of the interview on any potential candidates wanting to move forward with.

So do you mean you would put a lot of emphasis on fit?

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JSA wrote: trade4size

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/12/10 at 9:35pm
JSA:
trade4size:

If I were in charge of the interviewing for anyone going to be prop trading whether thats at a dealer/hf/prop desk I would definitely hire a trading psychologist to do part of the interview on any potential candidates wanting to move forward with.

So do you mean you would put a lot of emphasis on fit?

Sort of. What he is saying is that prop trading takes a different mindset/skillset than market making. A person who is a successful market maker is not automatically an amazing prop trader.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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trade4size's picture

I think that there are many

trade4size
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(Neanderthal, 2,116
 
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  on 12/12/10 at 10:21pm

I think that there are many psychological factors at play in trading and as a way to screen for it I just think having a pschologist that specializes in trading is a great investment.

For example, suppose your thinking of hiring someone that is basically a perfectionist, they always find the answers no matter what. I would want to explore to make sure this person is not going to hold a a losing position past their stop and start rationalizing why they have not taken the loss.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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Phenomenal post Gekko.

GoodBread
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(Neanderthal, 3,064
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 11:29am

Phenomenal post Gekko. Sticky-worthy to be sure.

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Gr4v1ty's picture

Do you have a particular

Gr4v1ty
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  on 12/13/10 at 4:34pm

Do you have a particular recommendation for fixed-income structuring in particular? It seems to be some combination of what you have listed, but I'm curious if there's a bible of fixed-income securities out there that's worth snagging.

Thank you for your excellent resource!

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Gr4v1ty's picture

Do you have a particular

Gr4v1ty
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(Senior Monkey, 87
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 4:34pm

Do you have a particular recommendation for fixed-income structuring in particular? It seems to be some combination of what you have listed, but I'm curious if there's a bible of fixed-income securities out there that's worth snagging.

Thank you for your excellent resource!

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Gekko21's picture

Click on the Fabozzi link.

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 4:37pm

Click on the Fabozzi link. but that covers all FI securities. If you want something that only focuses on structuring, you may need to look on google or Wiley finance.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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12345's picture

Great post Gekko. It's great

12345
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(Senior Baboon, 242
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 6:05pm

Great post Gekko. It's great to see people with real Wall Street experience taking the time to give back to college students. An unfortunate weakness in forums like this are that people actually working in S&T are less likely to have the time to give advice. So most of the advice is from college kids and it ends up being a 'blind leading the blind' situation.

It's rare to find someone who is actually working in trading that has time to post so much advice on WSO. I am curious how you get away with that. You mentioned you're a 1st Year Analyst. Do you just post on WSO during the day between trades? Or do you mostly post from your phone or something?

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12345 wrote: Great post

happypantsmcgee
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  on 12/13/10 at 6:24pm
12345:

Great post Gekko. It's great to see people with real Wall Street experience taking the time to give back to college students. An unfortunate weakness in forums like this are that people actually working in S&T are less likely to have the time to give advice. So most of the advice is from college kids and it ends up being a 'blind leading the blind' situation.

It's rare to find someone who is actually working in trading that has time to post so much advice on WSO. I am curious how you get away with that. You mentioned you're a 1st Year Analyst. Do you just post on WSO during the day between trades? Or do you mostly post from your phone or something?

iPad while on the shitter...done and done

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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12345's picture

happypantsmcgee wrote: iPad

12345
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(Senior Baboon, 242
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 11:21pm
happypantsmcgee:

iPad while on the shitter...done and done

Impressive if that's the case.

Gekko, mind chiming in on this. How do you post so much while at work?

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Gekko21's picture

Combination of things.

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/13/10 at 11:25pm

Combination of things. Iphone, slow day, running errands like getting lunch, coffee, pinkberry. Remember, first year analyst don't actually trade.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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monty09's picture

this is a great post... sb my

monty09
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  on 12/13/10 at 11:26pm

this is a great post... sb my man

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Gekko21 wrote: Combination of

12345
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
  on 12/13/10 at 11:58pm
Gekko21:

Combination of things. Iphone, slow day, running errands like getting lunch, coffee, pinkberry. Remember, first year analyst don't actually trade.

Ah that's what I figured. But there's one more thing I'm confused about. I remember you posting a lot about how you were trying to get a summer internship.

How were you looking for internships 8 months ago yet now you're a full time analyst?

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started early.

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 12:00am

started early.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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Gekko21 wrote: started

12345
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 12:32am
Gekko21:

started early.

Did you graduate during the summer?

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12345 wrote: Gekko21

happypantsmcgee
     O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,333
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 12:34am
12345:
Gekko21:

started early.

Did you graduate during the summer?

Why don't you just put on a rubber glove and find out what you REALLY want to know about him

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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I think we can all agree that

12345
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 1:03am

I think we can all agree that it's not in anyone's best interest to have college kids posting on WSO pretending to be investment bankers.

Gekko21, what's your opinion on that?

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12345 wrote: I think we can

happypantsmcgee
     O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,333
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 1:06am
12345:

I think we can all agree that it's not in anyone's best interest to have college kids posting on WSO pretending to be investment bankers.

Gekko21, what's your opinion on that?

I think we can all also agree that Gekko provides invaluable advice and has done so for a long time now. You accomplish nothing by doing this dude. I am with you on your overarching point though. As a rule, it is a bad idea to generally accept advice you get, in any form, without doing a bit of your own due diligence. I know Gekko and he speaks from experience...

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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If his advice was invaluable,

12345
     IB
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
  on 12/14/10 at 1:39am

If his advice was invaluable, he wouldn't have to pretend to work on Wall Street to get people to listen.

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Gekko... you said in the OP

Livingston
     IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 26
 
Points)
  on 12/17/10 at 1:57pm

Gekko... you said in the OP that you can find margin of safety online.... Can you post the link, I have been looking for an online copy for a while, but I am having great difficulty. Thanks

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http://vigorish.wordpress.com

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 12/17/10 at 2:02pm

http://vigorish.wordpress.com/margin-of-safety-by-seth-klarman-part-i/

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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Yay. Thank you very much

Livingston
     IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 26
 
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  on 12/17/10 at 3:17pm

Yay. Thank you very much

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andreahu's picture

Thank you so much for sharing

andreahu
     ST
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
  on 1/12/11 at 8:26am

Thank you so much for sharing this! I find it to be really helpful.
I'm just wondering which part I should focus on for technical questions. I have my 2nd round with GS and JPM for Securities in Hong Kong, and I applied for Sales. I have experience working with IPOs and have taken classes on forwards, futures, and options. Which section would be most beneficial for me?

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Is it for a specific product

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 1/12/11 at 8:30am

Is it for a specific product or general?

Provided you know everything in the "Facts and Figures" section and above, you should be fine. The additional prep is just some extra stuff you might want to look at if you have time/interest.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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it's for general securities.

andreahu
     ST
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
  on 1/13/11 at 5:17pm

it's for general securities. im not sure about the structure of the interview, but im anticipating some technical questions since i never got asked those in first round. the "facts and figures" section mainly about the market. will i get any other questions for options and bonds?

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This post is very helpful. Is

JohnMay
     CO
 
(Chimp, 2
 
Points)
  on 1/21/11 at 10:40pm

This post is very helpful. Is this true for NY and Boston? What about mutual funds? Should I read sites like calculatedriskblog.com and zerohedge.com to keep up with the markets?

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Thanks, Gekko. I followed

econ_major_5
    
 
(Chimp, 12
 
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  on 1/22/11 at 12:57am

Thanks, Gekko. I followed your advice and I JUST landed a S&T internship with a BB! You're a great service to the community.

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Quote: Thanks, Gekko. I

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
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  on 1/22/11 at 5:21am

Thanks, Gekko. I followed your advice and I JUST landed a S&T internship with a BB! You're a great service to the community.

See, that is what I like to hear. A SB and a congrats. If you have any other questions fell free to PM me.

JohnMay:

This post is very helpful. Is this true for NY and Boston? What about mutual funds? Should I read sites like calculatedriskblog.com and zerohedge.com to keep up with the markets?

Reading Zerohedge.com would be fine, but that shouldn't be the only site. This would probably prepare you for a mual fund interview depending on the fund's strategy. It might have more of an investing rather than trading focus. Obviously if the fund specializes in a sector you should learn everything you can about that sector.

andreahu:

it's for general securities. im not sure about the structure of the interview, but im anticipating some technical questions since i never got asked those in first round. the "facts and figures" section mainly about the market. will i get any other questions for options and bonds?

That list is pretty comprehensive, but obviously someone can always ask some random screwball fact. If it's for something international.EM related, I would probably checkout what some of the foreign equity indexes were doing.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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andreahu wrote: it's for

derivstrading
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(King Kong, 1,192
 
Points)
  on 1/22/11 at 6:02am
andreahu:

it's for general securities. im not sure about the structure of the interview, but im anticipating some technical questions since i never got asked those in first round. the "facts and figures" section mainly about the market. will i get any other questions for options and bonds?

The amount and depth of technical you get heavily depends on who you are interviewed by and how you answer simple questions. from my experience you get asked some easy questions and if you answer correctly they get harder and harder to find your limit. However there have been times when my interviewer simply made me jump in the deep end, so you never know. My mantra was to be prepared for anything.

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JohnMay wrote: This post is

derivstrading
     ST
 
 
(King Kong, 1,192
 
Points)
  on 1/22/11 at 6:06am
JohnMay:

This post is very helpful. Is this true for NY and Boston? What about mutual funds? Should I read sites like calculatedriskblog.com and zerohedge.com to keep up with the markets?

My advice for following the markets is to get a wide range of sources. If you only read zerohedge, after a couple weeks you will think the whole world is coming down. They have great articles but they are very pessimistic. Keep track of figures and try to explain the movements. Then start forming your opinion.

One thing to stress: Do not try to find facts to support your hypothesis, find a hypothesis that supports the facts. This is a big problem with people starting out as they are used to the scientific method of hypothesis -> data collection. But with markets its really easy to get stuck to an idea and just find evidence to support it (forgot what bias this was). You want to continually be looking at the facts while you are forming your hypothesis.

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I've noticed that a lot of

ambition56
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(Gorilla, 629
 
Points)
  on 1/22/11 at 6:39pm

I've noticed that a lot of candidates who have also been selected for the same interviews as I am are not nearly as familiar with the markets/ derivative products. However, when it comes to fit questions, it's a pretty even ball game. Do you think that having a little more experience with the markets will prove to be a significant advantage when it comes to SA positions for undergrad? Or should I focus on refining my fit answers?

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ambition56 wrote: I've

Gekko21
    
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,658
 
Points)
  on 1/22/11 at 9:12pm
ambition56:

I've noticed that a lot of candidates who have also been selected for the same interviews as I am are not nearly as familiar with the markets/ derivative products. However, when it comes to fit questions, it's a pretty even ball game. Do you think that having a little more experience with the markets will prove to be a significant advantage when it comes to SA positions for undergrad? Or should I focus on refining my fit answers?

Honestly, you should make time to do both. You will not get an offer if you fail the fit questions, but having a strong technical knowledge can be a huge help also and he push you that extra inch ahead of the other guy. Also, don't forget that sometimes really knowing your technicals can manufacture "fit" in the "I like this kid, he really knows his stuff" kind of way.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

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That link on emerging markets

Ugotpwned
     ST
 
(Monkey, 63
 
Points)
  on 1/29/11 at 7:16am

That link on emerging markets aint working gekko any chance of reposting or helping me find it?

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Gekko21, I want to take this

bapester
     ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 17
 
Points)
  on 1/31/11 at 10:58am

Gekko21,
I want to take this post to thank you for your guide.
I'm from a non-target in Canada with a mediocre GPA. But I followed your interview guide to the hilt and against all odds, made it onto the S&T floor of a major BB in NY.

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bapester wrote: Gekko21, I

happypantsmcgee
     O
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,333
 
Points)
  on 1/31/11 at 11:12am
bapester:

Gekko21,
I want to take this post to thank you for your guide.
I'm from a non-target in Canada with a mediocre GPA. But I followed your interview guide to the hilt and against all odds, made it onto the S&T floor of a major BB in NY.

Yes! Boom goes the dynamite!

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Anyone that bitches and moans because WSO is 'just a bunch of college kids' needs to shut their fucking mouths. This is AT LEAST the 20th person that has made a similar claim in the last few months. WSO is an absolute wealth of information and has tons of people in every area of the financial industry. Congrats on the offer bud, just make sure you pay it forward as you start working.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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bapester wrote: Gekko21, I

Bi-Winning
     PE
 
(Senior Gorilla, 763
 
Points)
  on 1/31/11 at 1:44pm
bapester:

Gekko21,
I want to take this post to thank you for your guide.
I'm from a non-target in Canada with a mediocre GPA. But I followed your interview guide to the hilt and against all odds, made it onto the S&T floor of a major BB in NY.

That's awesome! As a freshman in a Canadian non-target, I'll see you in two years!

I win here, I win there...

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