Get the M&A Game Before Tomorrow's Launch!
So I reached out to Sam Riley, the CEO of Ansarada, after all the excitement on WSO over their M&A game, and he graciously agreed to the following interview. On top of that, he also gave me a link to share with you guys where you can get the game today before its official launch tomorrow. I've posted the link at the end of the interview. I didn't think to ask, but it looks like it's only for iOS at the moment. I'll clarify that and get back to you guys. Without further ado:
Eddie: What was the inspiration behind the game? Is it more to get people interested in M&A, or more to develop a community of current finance and M&A professionals?
Sam: It was to develop a community of professionals and obviously raise the awareness of Ansarada in a way that differentiates us from competitors. Also, as you know M&A and in particular tasks associated with due diligence and data rooms are often performed by Analysts and those tasks and responsibilities can be long, tedious, stressful and not at all fun. The game was designed to give people that work on deals a way to be a dealmaker and do the deals without. An escape from reality that appeals to the fun and competitive nature of bankers.
Another reasons for a game was we saw it as a way to put ansarada in front of people regularly, not just when they are on a deal using our product. M&A deals typically go minimum 6 months but more typically 9 and any deals we don’t win means that that Analyst who perhaps sourced a quote form us but got forced to use something else won’t really interact with us much until that deal we missed out on is finished. If we can get a following for the game we will continue to invest in features and functions that the M&A community want to see in the game. The first release is to just get something out there that hopefully attracts some passionate people in the industry we can partner with to improve it and make it an essential thing you have to play if you’re serious about M&A.
Eddie: What insights are you hoping to gain from player statistics and such?
Sam: One other reason for the game was to analyse how people play it and get insights we can share. Some things we will look at are:
Do people choose advisors or go it alone? Does this vary by their industry they work in and job title?
What are the most popular industry sectors? Where do people start dealing in?
How much do people buy vs merge vs sell. What method to grow your empire do people gravitate to.
How much on average do people play per day? When do they typically play and for how long in each session?
What CEO traits/skills to people build up most - drive? Creativity or things like deception skills?
Basically stats that give insights into banker behaviour we can turn into a cool infographic to share around the M&A community. Also to share with the players to show how they stack up against their peers on these type of things.
Eddie: Describe game play for us. What are the factors that play into each decision that needs to be made, and how does the game flow?
Sam: The game starts with a phone call from an angel investors PA who says you’ve been noted for your great work on a recent deal and he wants to back you to go out on your own and start building an M&A empire with $20m capital to start. You give your enterprise a name, choose/customise your avatar, decide the CEO traits you want to start with (creativity, drive, leadership etc) and also the industry sector you want to start in (industry sectors are the same as banking - healthcare, FIG, Industrials etc). When thats done you see a press release telling the world to watch out and your sector rival calls and tells you that you haven’t got a chance and they will be glad to burn you. You then start by browsing businesses to buy based on some simple financial stats, you select one to bid on and choose you team of bankers, lawyers, accountants and of course a data room! You can choose between 1 star to 5 star advisors to suit the size of the deal or you can go it alone and take the risk. If you choose advisors they give you a report that gives recommendations of what tactics to use in the negotiation with the opposing CEO, also they can boost the effectiveness of your tactics plus give helpful advice and valuation recommendations during the negotiation. You then enter the negotiation with the opposing CEO with the goal of revealing what the real stats are behind things like revenue, profit, management team effectiveness etc. To do this you choose tactics like flattering them, bullying, haggling etc. These either work or don’t work and also affect the opposing CEO’s mood, which also affects how likely they are to accept your offer. NOTE: At this stage the opposing CEO is a computer but we hope to build in a way to play against other real people.
When you are confident in a price to pay you can bid and select the amount you want to pay, this may be accepted or rejected. You get three attempts to get an acceptance and then afterwards you are graded on how much under or over the actual value of the business you paid.
The game rewards the right behaviour and thinking, the smart use of advisors and the traits you build up in your CEO have an effect too. If you play badly then there are events in the game that can come back to bite you for your bad behaviour - like a cash hit for overvalued assets of a previous acquisition because you never chose advisors to conduct DD.
As you build your portfolio and time ticks on the profits of those companies get added to your capital. This is essentially how you grow your empire.
You also start with your Headquarters being a single brick building with a cheap car out front. As you build your empire it grows to a glass skyscraper complete with speedboat out front, limo and a chopper on the roof.
The game design is short play/long play, meaning you can play it for 3 minutes and complete one acquisition or merge a business or two and then leave it. To finish the entire game is longer as you need to unlock all the industry sectors, defeat your sector rivals and build up your experience points to unlock rewards and the ability to add skills to your CEO.
There is also a leaderboard and one we will publish to LinkedIn (the Leader boards only list the fake company names people choose to deal under NOT their actual name or email!)
Other features are performance graphs of how your doing in each sector and overall. There are also challenges and rewards along the way for things like ‘completing your 5th company sale’ etc.
Eddie: How does a player "win" or "lose"? Can you get stuck with a really crappy deal and bust out? In other words, is it a zero-sum game like Wall Street?
Sam: Yes you can bust out but just like Wall Street you can start again. As mentioned above you get rewarded or penalized for certain behaviour or thinking in the game. It may not immediately reward or punish you but it will happen! Even when you are putting an offer on a company your sector rival can jump in and outbid you and leave you the choice to counteroffer above theirs or walk away. Just like real M&A though you will still be left with costs of due diligence and other advisor fees.
Eddie: How many users are you hoping to sign up in the first week, month, etc?
Sam: Our ‘Big ass ad’ as one of your community members called it has generated over 1,000 pre registrations who will get emailed their bonus $20m capital code tomorrow so they can start with $40m. We are hoping to get 5,000 in the first month and then see what the feedback is to quickly go back to developing and tweaking it. Beyond that we really don’t know - were breaking new ground and it is a bit of a risk that we hope doesn’t end up with egg on our face. We are putting our balls out there a bit and thats always scary but the team here is pumped and excited!
Eddie: I know it's probably a work in progress. Is there anything you might be building into future updates?
Sam: There is no debt engine but thats an element we will look to build in.
There is no deep sophisticated modelling or analytical searching for companies. We would like to build a simple modelling engine that lets you run senarios and analysis on business to uncover smart ways of bidding on it - which the game would reward you for.
When merging it is based purely on size and financials but we would love to expand that so that merging complementary industries or companies with the same product but operating in different geographies is smart and yields better merger results.
You can’t shop using your capital for toys and other things to pimp out your headquarters but we would like to make this possible and also allow players to show off their sick HQ’s publicly and get liked for it.
Eddie: Sounds fantastic, Sam. Is there any way WSO monkeys can get an early look at it?
Sam: Why not? They can download the app and start playing right here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/m-a-game/id786950928?ls=1&mt=8
Downloading now.
Loving it so far. Is there an optimization function to improve efficiencies (i.e. cost cutting)?
Id love to know the same thing. The first 2 companies I bought had low margins but a decent revenue stream, so I figured I could cut some costs and improve the value but Im not seeing the ability to change anything with your companies.
iLook forward to playing! iHope it reaches the necessary level of popularity, so that when your doing negotiations with/ against the CEO, it becomes an actual person instead of a computer.
Don't read what iType. Simple.
Is it or will it be available for android?
Checking on that now.
I've been messing around with it for the past hour or so. Very interesting game.
This game is sick!
Hey all, glad you're enjoying the game. It's currently only available on iOs, but if it's popular enough, there has been discussion of releasing it for android as well.
So which of you monkeys is on the leaderboards already?
Monkey Smugglas..... I'll find you.
Basking in my top 20 glory...
Pretty sure all my employees hate working at my company since they keep going on strike haha
Hope it comes out on android soon. Don't want the bonus $20m capital to go to waste.
Would love to play this but have a galaxy phone. Why do app developers hate Droid users :(
Played for a few mins and I like it..
Im going to be all over this when I get home
Will download once I get a sec to whip out the ipad
Dang, need it for Android.
How is it released early when it's on iTunes?
I think once Apple approves an app, it's available on iTunes via a link. However, this link/app won't appear in the iTunes Store until the release date, you'd need a direct link in order to get to it.
I searched "M&A Game" and it was the first result
Downloading now. This is going to be sick.
Android please...
Lol, all my negotiations are failing. Silly startup CEOs overvaluing their own companies. Welcome to the world of M&A, I guess.
Holy crap,I'm going to spend a lot of time on this. Just wish I could give my avatar a Fu Manchu. Really cool game so far
I guess my company name isn't very unique. Someone already has Prestige Worldwide, so I had to use Prestige Worldwide.
Also, for the bonus 20mm for the presign up, do you still get the 20mm if you register today?
Damn I wish this was on Android!!!
I've already spent more time reading about my fake companies today than I have reading up on my stock holdings in the past month
That's how winnin' is done!
Awesome, thanks!
fantastic game....don't skimp on the bankers and accountants. i've gotten burned a few times when i brought the cheapest ones to the negotiation...."you paid 40% more than the actual value of the company"
Have you figured out what you're going to say to your board when they learn that you paid me $30 million more than others were offering?
Anybody own a sick chopper yet?
Cracked the top 20. this game is funnnnnnn. merging your way to companies worth >$30 million seems to be the best strategy.
Alright, which of you is Paradigm Advisors?
I'm Paradigm. I'm done now. Just wanted to be the first to hit a billion.
Also curious about some of the mechanics. Specifically: 1) How does time work? I'm in Year 28 but I have no idea how I got there. 2) Clarification: "Value" in the Buy stage is Public value? Or the company's value of themselves? Or your estimation of their value before you start negotiations? 3) The "Merge" screens only display metrics for each individual company. Is there no way to show a merger model to at least somewhat predict synergies, etc.? Each company also has no details as to their actual products, so I've been merging graphic design and phone companies and gaining lots of profits... but really, how viable would that be in the real world? Laughably not, I assume.
I've been getting 3-4 star ratings in my buys and consistently paying below true value (great!) but then news events always hit and I have huge fluctuations in my profits. Sigh.
Anyone know how to view offers for the Cos you've put on the market?
I seriously don't understand how my revenue can decrease by 40% and my profit increase by 30% for two straight years...
@luccabananas They pop up when there are offers. Then you can accept or reject.
I've spent wayyyyy too much time today on this game. I'll probably have to delete it soon or this will become my full time job... that would be an issue.
I'm in the same boat.
Congrats Add, you finally made it to the front page of Dealbook:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/a-game-for-would-be-deal-makers/
"“I’ve spent wayyyyy too much time today on this game,” one user, whose profile says he is an analyst in Asset Management, posted in a Wall Street Oasis forum dedicated to the game. “I’ll probably have to delete it soon, or this will become my full time job.”"
That's pretty cool!
$80.3M net worth... yep I'm addicted
The problem is, I'm just not sure what on earth is going on that's driving my companies along. I just keep buying and merging and they just seem to keep going up and up and up. It's somewhat crazy... haha.
I started in tech, media and telecoms. Then went to oil and gas, financials and now metals and mining. They are super volatile but overall they seem to stay relatively high and constantly spinning off large profits.
Started in financials and short story shorter, it sucks. It fluctuates $10m in value in like 5 minutes for some random generated reason? I don't get how you can affect the news in your favor or vice versa.
Does anyone know what the timing is on this game? I just started and it appears I'm in year 10 but not 100% on that. Also how often do you get your returns from your portfolio?
I'm ashamed to admit, I'm already at year 85.... or something like that. So it moves pretty quickly. I think you get returns quarterly... but don't quote me on that.
This game is fun, reminds me of the game drug wars.
I'm more than a little confused about the mechanics driving a lot of the actual numbers in this game right now... A tip to the producer - explain how the valuations work and what are the key drivers.
Also - the CEO skills? Can we get some detail here? I feel like I have no idea what to put my points in. Don't you know I'm already a very charismatic, driven, strong, reputable guy with good leadership? I find it hard to pick.
How do you switch sectors? Do you just have to level up a lot?
This is pretty awesome .....
How do you get more "negotiating rating"? I always get 1 star :(
i kind of feel bad for anyone who spends their time "playing" finance. this is all somewhat retarded.
Ansarada seems to be a legit company, though. this is definitely an interesting approach for them to be taking.
Its really not that retarded. There are alot of tycoon games out there. Would you rather have a game where you are managing a bunch of burger joints or be doing billion dollar deals. I think this game will do well even for people outside of finance assuming the developer makes an android version.
if you spend your time playing a phone game where you pretend to do M&A deals... you are sad if not retarded. that's just how it is.
keep in mind, i was also against adding video games to your resume in that one thread. so, i feel like video games in general are a waste of time.
Okay Stratton Oakmont thats cool $40 billion in like half a day...
I feel ashamed of my score now...
They are now at $100 billion, I think they found the easy way...
149.9B Stratton, lol.
both >100x the size of #3
fukin lol
Yeah those guys are gonna be trillionaires before Friday
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Ok I got the thing... if you buy your first sector, then the game turns more easy. I'm now in 70m between portfolio and capital and waiting to get a little bit more to buy my 2nd sector :)
Nice game!
The stratton account was me. They forgot to subtract money when you merge companies. This way you can go to a trillion in some hours if you click fast. Deleted the app again because I get addicted too easily on games
let's post some stats -- i'm AUKS capital -- 3 sectors -- oil and gas; financial institutions; real estate -- NW: $410.1 million 25 Mergers; 45 acquisitions; 12 Sales; 60.8% success rate; Level 7
i cracked the top 15 yesterday and then woke up this morning and saw that you needed at least $1.5B to be top 20. Pace of the game is confusing and there's no marketplace when you put your company up for sale. i'm somehow in year 86 after one day.
Not a huge fan of the game for several reasons. 1) It seems like earnings just jump up and down for no real reason. 2) Many valuations make no sense (10x revenue, 100x earnings) 3) Valuations seem much better for smaller companies when you have less money - you can often buy companies for less than 1x revenue. It seems almost impossible to buy anything for less than 5x revenue after you have more money. So it's much better to buy tiny companies, and then just merge them all together. 4) You don't even know what products a company is making and there's no real economy 5) It seems like most mergers work out but it's impossible to tell why 6) There's no difference between companies in different industries. Every company is just a name with a valuation, revenue, earnings, # of employees, and locations 7) I never use a lawyer or data room. Don't seem to help. Using an expensive accountant or IB doesn't seem to do much either. 8) Valuations for your company after you buy them swings wildly - often because of reasons like the company blog wrote something politically incorrect 9) You can't do anything to cut costs or increase revenue.
There's no real valuation in this game and there's no real strategy. Things just happen. Most of the time things go up but it's not because you analytically found an undervalued company and improved it. I know it's just an app so you can't expect something insanely detailed, but still......
Has anyone figured out what lawyers and data rooms actually do? I get that having bankers increases your chances of getting information via Bullying/Haggling/what have you. Having more accountants gives you a more accurate idea of the company's true value. What do lawyers and data rooms get you?!
I wish they gave some industry specific metrics, like NAV and production for oil and gas that would be cool.
The game makes no sense at all and is just totally random. Scandals on $5 million companies that cost them $2 million, well guess that company is a dump. Net worth = $500 million? Nah, two seconds later only $300 million.
It's all totally random and pretty much pointless.
There are tons of bugs with this game. Now that I'm #1, I'll share some insight: 1. Level 3 data centers (ansarada [shameless self-promotion]) negate negotiation costs which can reach in the many hundreds of millions 2. Lawyers provide a bonus to the maximum amount of the point things that can be taken off during negotiations (i.e. flattery goes from 1-4 to 1-7 though I think it should be 3-7, and also the upper range can't be hit, so the max is really 3 or 6) 3. None of the tactics beyond flattery really work that well--even though stuff like inspire claims 8-17 or whatever, you can get 1's with them, so I always use flattery 4. Bankers just tell you how likely your tactics are to succeed (useless with #3) 5. Mergers have no cost 6. Once you get in to the hundreds of mm or bn's cost, it is cheaper to use higher level services
This game is pretty boring now since the maximum purchase price is around $15bn, but I generate 5-30bn per quarter and I can't buy stuff fast enough... I have like 500bn in cash now. I'm sure many others will quit once they reach ~150-300bn net worth
edit: For those that are curious, there is no "tn" it just goes to '000s bn
Ya, I'm not as high as you are but I'm #20 .... at least I was when I checked 20 minutes ago. Always use Ansarada for negotiations and I don't even hire anyone but them anymore to be honest. I find it is a waste of cash and just slide the meter down when making my first offer. I was really excited for the game, but now I'm kinda bummed with what I received.
Keep in mind that you guys are the early adopters and the game is brand new. I know the company is monitoring these comments, so you can probably expect to see some of these issues addressed pretty quickly.
Yup, but given that 90% of the game is server-side (including some if not all of the mechanics/calculations), I would've thought the simplest bugs would've been fixed quicker. I do like the concept and I think it could eventually be a great game, it's just not there yet--and I don't blame them for it since they're a data room service provider, not an app maker or a game studio.
Need this on the droid please.
Currently sitting at ~$70bn. Profits are pretty random for companies in portfolio, if you merge and hire the highest level investment bank you can sell for almost 3-5x EV. Once they add leverage and some sort of industry metrics I will go back to playing more.
Can't wait to try but have android only at hands. It's pretty popular on the street too nowadays, why not start both...
Welp, was in the top 20... then my game stopped loading. I logged out and back in, profile reset....
Okay, I'm over this game lol.
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