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Mod note: Blast from the Past - "Best of Eddie." This was originally posted in June 2011.

What is it about seeing the mighty fall that causes us to gather for miles around to watch the spectacle? Why do we love to see the wealthy and powerful brought low?

This is what was going through my mind last night when the Twitterverse went into hyperdrive during Rep. Anthony Weiner's press conference. About half the comments were hysterically funny, and the other half were self-righteously indignant. And it left me to wonder: what was this guy's real sin? Was it sending pictures of his junk to some chick on the Internet? Or was it lying about doing it once he was caught?

Then I wake up this morning to find out that Lenny Dykstra is back in stir. It seems this former multi-millionaire and would be hedge fund manager's descent into Hell is near complete, considering he can no longer even afford his bail. He's charged with drug possession and forging documents to lease cars (a charge that apparently amounts to Grand Theft Auto), and is now facing 12 years in prison. And that's on top of his separate charges of bankruptcy fraud.

Why are we even interested in stories like this? I have to admit my own puerile fascination with a good comeuppance, especially if that comeuppance comes on the heels of loud and indignant protests of innocence (as in Weiner's case). Are we all just crabs in a bucket, jealously clawing at any of our fellows who manage to rise above? Or is it something deeper than that?

Does the high-profile failure of others make us somehow feel better about ourselves? For me personally, I have to chalk it up to pure schadenfreude -- which I'll allow makes me something of a sociopath. I don't actually feel better about myself when some big shot gets hosed, I just get a kick out of it.

This is especially true for me about hypocrites, which is ironic because I'm one of the biggest hypocrites I know. But for some reason I find hypocrisy utterly detestable, and I delight in seeing wealthy and powerful hypocrites dragged through the mud. For my money, there's nothing better than a homophobic fire-and-brimstone mega-church preacher caught getting a handjob from a male escort and then being forced to face the music. It's a personality defect I'm well aware of.

However, throughout the whole tawdry Weiner episode, there was a vocal minority pointing out that we as a country have much bigger fish to fry. Double-digit unemployment, a faltering dollar, a looming debt ceiling, and a host of other more important issues to be reporting on than some Brooklyn sleazebag who tweeted his garbage. And that's a fair point.

What does it say about us as a people that we choose to focus on the salacious but meaningless goings on of the rich and famous? Is it just human nature? Why do we so love to see the mighty fall? Why do we delight so much in the humiliation of others?

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Comments (59)

  • APAE's picture

    It's basic human nature. We delight in the spectacle. It's voyeuristic. We watch other people and feel, at some gut level, vindicated when someone else fails because it means we are doing something better than someone else.

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  • trazer985's picture

    Insecurity. it's the foundation of racism, sexism and this kind of stuff. Seeing them fall makes us feel better about ourselves. Look at the main comedians. They aren't stunningly attractive, some have obvious physical features that arent positive. Could be that they needed to be funny to get looks, or maybe its because we feel secure (read superior) on a primitive level which helps us find them funny.

  • In The Flesh's picture

    I with you almost entirely on this one, Eddie. I think we (the public) see these authorities constantly acting like raging fools with no consequences. So many times it looks as if a politician is headed for trouble, but always they seem to escape. We know that all politicians lie, steal and cheat--but every once in a while they get caught.

    I guess what it boils down to is pride at seeing someone who acts, talks, and lives as if they are above everyone else (like an immortal), and then finding out that they are, in fact, human. They are not always right. And that, my fellow monkeys, is a beautiful thing.

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  • lonny900's picture

    Weiner is a politician who should be accountable to the public for all of his actions. His behavior should be scrutinized and held to an extremely high standard. He is here to serve the people, and when he fails in demonstrating even one ounce of integrity and, for that matter, honesty, we should all enjoy delegitimizing him to our hearts' content. It has nothing to do with insecurity; it has to do showing that our public servants can't get away with that shit. Whether you agree or disagree with any politician (I heavily disagree with this one, BTW), we should all be able to trust them to a pretty high degree.

    As for taking the time to rip on on non-politicians, I think the same thing can apply. While somebody like Warren Buffet obviously has a lot of power derived from his wealth, he also has a lot of influence that has nothing to do with him actually spending money (classes on Warren Buffet's investing strategies, media coverage, etc.). In that case, if the Warren sends me a picture of his junk and then lies about it, I'd have no problem seeking to delegitimize that influence that he has, given that he's clearly not trustworthy. It has nothing to do with insecurity.

    In general, I think that it's funny that the issue of our insecurity in knocking these jokers down was brought up, and not the insecurity of people like Weiner that causes them to act this way, despite having so much to lose (namely, the opportunity to serve the public respectfully).

  • JBGH's picture

    I think that people are enjoying this failure (weiner) because he is a pompous liberal loudmouth who spent more time pushing his issues by sheer bullying / yelling / attacking rather than honest debate. It is a terrible human tragedy and to some degree I feel bad for the guy, but at the same time I don't because I have watched him for years shout down any opposition and resort to intimidation and quite frankly I will be glad to see him leave. Washington could use one less arrogant asshole who thinks they are above any generally acceptable social norms.

    The fact that he will not resign says a lot about his character.

  • veritas14's picture

    Weiner is another in that long line of mediocrities who enter politics. He is an utterly useless individual.

    He FAILED to get into Stuyvesant. His degree came from SUNY-Plattsburgh. He FAILED at his attempt to become a weatherman so he joined human leech Chuck Schumer in DC.

    His sought a position in the most meddlesome political body known to man: the NY City Council. Then he replaced Schumer in his overwhelmingly Democrat seat.

    Such a scumbag. He's married!

    He is a narcissist and a pathetic excuse for a man.

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  • UFOinsider's picture

    This

    Edmundo Braverman:
    I don't actually feel better about myself when some big shot gets hosed, I just get a kick out of it.

    This
    JBGH:
    I think that people are enjoying this failure (weiner) because he ... spent more time pushing his issues by sheer bullying / yelling / attacking rather than honest debate.

    and this
    expenseaccounts:
    cause his name is weiner lol

    Get busy living

  • In reply to lonny900
    cartman's picture

    lonny900:
    Weiner is a politician who should be accountable to the public for all of his actions. His behavior should be scrutinized and held to an extremely high standard. He is here to serve the people, and when he fails in demonstrating even one ounce of integrity and, for that matter, honesty, we should all enjoy delegitimizing him to our hearts' content. It has nothing to do with insecurity; it has to do showing that our public servants can't get away with that shit. Whether you agree or disagree with any politician (I heavily disagree with this one, BTW), we should all be able to trust them to a pretty high degree.

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    @cartman Doesn't showing exceedingly poor judgment speak to a person's fitness (or lack thereof) to be in a position of authority? Say what you will in defense of the guy, but he's obviously a fucking moron.

    Seriously, who does that shit and thinks they won't get caught?

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    happypantsmcgee's picture

    Edmundo Braverman:
    @cartman Doesn't showing exceedingly poor judgment speak to a person's fitness (or lack thereof) to be in a position of authority? Say what you will in defense of the guy, but he's obviously a fucking moron.

    Seriously, who does that shit and thinks they won't get caught?


    In 20 years, everyone that runs for office will have people coming out of the wood work with old text message conversations about weiners and buttholes and cock picks and shit. Ridiculous.

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • djr's picture

    The obsession here is not that he did whatever he did but that he lied about it. This story will fade just like others and we can go back to focusing on the bigger problems.

    I loved the way Weiner shut down dumbasses, especially on Fox News. It was entertaining and I really admired his gusto. I do not, however, respect him anymore because he lied bluntly to everybody. If he lied about this with such a straight face, he probably has the tendency to lie a lot. If he was just honest from the beginning, the most I would have thought is that he is a just another guy.

    @cartman. While it is not technically anybody's business, they are public employees and not private employees and must be held to a higher standard. He's representing Brooklyn by being a macho perv (which is probably accurate), but the public has a right to know if his personal decisions are affecting his work life.

  • In reply to cartman
    veritas14's picture

    cartman:
    lonny900:
    Weiner is a politician who should be accountable to the public for all of his actions. His behavior should be scrutinized and held to an extremely high standard. He is here to serve the people, and when he fails in demonstrating even one ounce of integrity and, for that matter, honesty, we should all enjoy delegitimizing him to our hearts' content. It has nothing to do with insecurity; it has to do showing that our public servants can't get away with that shit. Whether you agree or disagree with any politician (I heavily disagree with this one, BTW), we should all be able to trust them to a pretty high degree.

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

    Infidelity = untrustworthy.

    Most politicians are useless. The most engregiously flawed characters should be weeded out as soon as possible.

    *********************************
    "The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher." - Oscar Wilde

  • In reply to lonny900
    eokpar02's picture

    lonny900:
    Weiner is a politician who should be accountable to the public for all of his actions. His behavior should be scrutinized and held to an extremely high standard. He is here to serve the people, and when he fails in demonstrating even one ounce of integrity and, for that matter, honesty, we should all enjoy delegitimizing him to our hearts' content. It has nothing to do with insecurity; it has to do showing that our public servants can't get away with that shit. Whether you agree or disagree with any politician (I heavily disagree with this one, BTW), we should all be able to trust them to a pretty high degree.

    As for taking the time to rip on on non-politicians, I think the same thing can apply. While somebody like Warren Buffet obviously has a lot of power derived from his wealth, he also has a lot of influence that has nothing to do with him actually spending money (classes on Warren Buffet's investing strategies, media coverage, etc.). In that case, if the Warren sends me a picture of his junk and then lies about it, I'd have no problem seeking to delegitimize that influence that he has, given that he's clearly not trustworthy. It has nothing to do with insecurity.

    In general, I think that it's funny that the issue of our insecurity in knocking these jokers down was brought up, and not the insecurity of people like Weiner that causes them to act this way, despite having so much to lose (namely, the opportunity to serve the public respectfully).

    Oh please. I love how people love to get on their high horses to look down on others PERSONAL deeds. Does Weiner's picture of his dick affect your life? Its one thing to not look down on his policy and engagement with other congressman. Its another to talk shit about his stupid tweets.

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  • In reply to cartman
    eokpar02's picture

    cartman:

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • In reply to eokpar02
    UFOinsider's picture

    eokpar02:
    cartman:

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?


    That's the irony in this whole thing: he didn't ACTUALLY cheat. Physical, actual sex didn't happen. It's strange for sure, but even his wife is more bewildered than offended......

    Get busy living

  • In reply to eokpar02
    veritas14's picture

    eokpar02:
    cartman:

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?

    From the Bill Clinton School of Sex Education.

    Where a BJ isn't sex, and dong shots/dirty phone calls aren't cheating.

    *********************************
    "The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher." - Oscar Wilde

  • lonny900's picture

    @eokpar02

    It's not just one stupid tweet about how he likes to go to Chucky Cheese and eat pizza or something. Watch his confession. He sent multiple pictures to solicit women both before and during his marriage. He has betrayed the trust of his own family; why should the public even consider as him trustworthy in a position of power? He lied about his actions to protect his office without regard for the public interest or being accountable to the public, so what makes you think he wouldn't lie about anything else? What about this incident would make you think he cares about the public at all, considering that he didn't care enough to give them honest answers to simple questions?

    I'm not on a high horse. We are all human, and I wish him the best in getting his family life back on track. Nonetheless, I want him out of office because, right now, he has destroyed his own credibility. And that credibility was limited with me to begin with given his policies and rude, arrogant demeanor before this incident even developed.

  • Nobama88's picture

    Speaking of politcians and true genuine douchebaggery....

    Does anyone here think John Edwards will serve any prison time? The guy has a potential 30 years in the slammer, and he just declined a plea bargain of 30(ish) days in the slammer.

  • In reply to Nobama88
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Nobama88:
    Speaking of politcians and true genuine douchebaggery....

    Does anyone here think John Edwards will serve any prison time? The guy has a potential 30 years in the slammer, and he just declined a plea bargain of 30(ish) days in the slammer.

    I really don't care for the guy, but they've got nothing on him. That's why he didn't cop a plea. Business Insider has covered the whole thing really well, and the case against him is full of holes.

  • Nobama88's picture

    Haven't looked into it much, but it seems according to the Associated Press Edwards was well aware that he was using campaign donations to cover up the story with the mistress... not sure what kind of time that would bring on him though.

  • In reply to Nobama88
    eokpar02's picture

    Nobama88:
    Haven't looked into it much, but it seems according to the Associated Press Edwards was well aware that he was using campaign donations to cover up the story with the mistress... not sure what kind of time that would bring on him though.

    Wrong. Wealthy friends of Edwards funneled money to his mistress. He didn't give a dime of his campaign contributions.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • In reply to lonny900
    eokpar02's picture

    lonny900:
    @eokpar02

    It's not just one stupid tweet about how he likes to go to Chucky Cheese and eat pizza or something. Watch his confession. He sent multiple pictures to solicit women both before and during his marriage. He has betrayed the trust of his own family; why should the public even consider as him trustworthy in a position of power? He lied about his actions to protect his office without regard for the public interest or being accountable to the public, so what makes you think he wouldn't lie about anything else? What about this incident would make you think he cares about the public at all, considering that he didn't care enough to give them honest answers to simple questions?

    I'm not on a high horse. We are all human, and I wish him the best in getting his family life back on track. Nonetheless, I want him out of office because, right now, he has destroyed his own credibility. And that credibility was limited with me to begin with given his policies and rude, arrogant demeanor before this incident even developed.

    You are an epic high horse. He lied about something that was completely and utterly outside the public purview. He shouldn't have been asked about the tweet in the first place. I don't give a shit about what he does in his free time. Its not like he was taking bribes. He, using his personal property sent stupid messages and tweets to women he didn't even meet. If I were in his position, I would have said FUCK YOU to anyone who asked me the supposed "simple question". And if you really believe we have the right to his personal business than you would have no problem what-so-ever about asking Obama some personal questions right?

    How do you know that he betrayed his family/wife's trust? Do you know his wife? Has she made statements to that effect?

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • In reply to veritas14
    eokpar02's picture

    veritas14:
    eokpar02:

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?

    From the Bill Clinton School of Sex Education.

    Where a BJ isn't sex, and dong shots/dirty phone calls aren't cheating.

    Completely and utterly your opinion. If my significant other sent pictures of herself to other men it wouldn't bother me.

    BJ's are sexual acts and dirty phone talk isn't cheating, in my book.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • APAE's picture

    Give her my number then, bro.

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  • wolverine19x89's picture

    This whole story bored me to hell when I first heard about it... I don't give a fuck what these guys do on their own time. I don't care if he busts out an 8 ball on a midget's asshole every day after he gets off of work, if it doesn't affect his job (along with our nation's policies), I don't give a shit. This is a personal manner and I, as I always do with personal manners, DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

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  • TNA's picture

    I agree with above, but this guy likes to throw stones while living in a glass house. He is a very vocal Democrat and I find it funny how god damn retarded he acted. I mean if this was in the past I wouldn't care, but this is recent. What a fool. Who does this and thinks they won't get caught.

  • In reply to TNA
    eokpar02's picture

    ANT:
    I agree with above, but this guy likes to throw stones while living in a glass house. He is a very vocal Democrat and I find it funny how god damn retarded he acted. I mean if this was in the past I wouldn't care, but this is recent. What a fool. Who does this and thinks they won't get caught.

    Agree, how a congress man, with his reputation, can expect to get away with this is beyond me.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • TNA's picture

    The picture of him, in office, holding up a card that says "me" is absurd. I mean I am pretty much against his political beliefs, but I thought the guy had some spice, some fire in the belly. This is just self destructive behavior. I mean he is a rather well known political figure.

  • eokpar02's picture

    The man wanted to run for mayor of NYC? What an idiot this man is.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • TNA's picture

    When you think of it, Spitzer just banged hookers in private. He was smart. This guy was cybering with chicks like some normal 9-5 dude.

    Never, ever leave a picture trail. Shit, even Tiger was smarter than this guy.

    I give him less than a month before he resigns.

  • eokpar02's picture

    No resignation. This entire escapade and the fascination with it makes America look bad. We are probably the only non-third world country which forces its politics to descend into third imbroglios. Weiner isn't very smart, thats obvious. But, I hope, for our country's sake that he doesn't resign.

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • In reply to djr
    cartman's picture

    djr:
    @cartman. While it is not technically anybody's business, they are public employees and not private employees and must be held to a higher standard. He's representing Brooklyn by being a macho perv (which is probably accurate), but the public has a right to know if his personal decisions are affecting his work life.

    And was it affecting his work life before he got caught? If it's affecting his work life, it's because everyone else is making such a fucking big deal out of it.
  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    cartman's picture

    Edmundo Braverman:
    @cartman Doesn't showing exceedingly poor judgment speak to a person's fitness (or lack thereof) to be in a position of authority? Say what you will in defense of the guy, but he's obviously a fucking moron.

    Seriously, who does that shit and thinks they won't get caught?


    I'm not a big fan of Weiner either so I'm not going to say that he's NOT a moron. However, I'm saying that using his sex life (or the lack thereof) as a barometer for his moron-ness is wrong. If you want to say he's a moron, do it because he's done moronic shit directly relating to his duties as a congressman (which he has).
  • In reply to eokpar02
    cartman's picture

    eokpar02:
    cartman:

    Who cares if he cheated? It's not illegal to cheat. It makes him a huge dick, but it doens't make him a bad politician. If he's a bad politician it's for other reasons.

    IMO, a public figure's personal life is no one else's business. The public just loves to delude itself into thinking that they have some sort of say over this kind of shit.

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?


    You're right I should've worded that one better. He didn't even cheat.
  • mxc's picture

    80% of you guys are weirder than Weiner. But he got caught.

    My 2 cents

  • In reply to eokpar02
    veritas14's picture

    eokpar02:
    veritas14:
    eokpar02:

    How did he cheat on his wife? Is not having physical contact cheating?

    From the Bill Clinton School of Sex Education.

    Where a BJ isn't sex, and dong shots/dirty phone calls aren't cheating.

    Completely and utterly your opinion. If my significant other sent pictures of herself to other men it wouldn't bother me.

    BJ's are sexual acts and dirty phone talk isn't cheating, in my book.

    If your WIFE or HUSBAND was sending nude photos to another person, you would NOT have a problem?

    I pity the woman/man you marry if dirty phone talk isn't cheating.

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  • lonny900's picture

    @eokpar2

    Why would I have a problem asking Obama personal questions?

    I'm not trying to suggest that the public should constantly pry into our politicians' personal lives, but there are A LOT of instances where THEY make their personal lives relevant through their own actions. For instance, WHEN YOU SEND A NUDE PHOTO OF YOURSELF TO ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, IT BECOMES A PUBLIC ISSUE.

    I'm judging by the fact that she stopped showing up to support him at his press conferences as an indication as maybe this is all coming as a surprise to her.

    And stop with the high horse crap. You're implying that I think I'm better than him, which isn't true. I'd want myself held to the same standard, regardless of whether or not I was in public office. I don't have anything against the man. I'm not insulting you for you viewpoint; give me the same courtesy.

  • In reply to veritas14
    eokpar02's picture

    veritas14:

    I pity the woman/man you marry if dirty phone talk isn't cheating.

    Why? Are you so cloistered that you think there is only one way to operate in a marriage? And if so, is there some book that lays down this expected marriage behavior? Do you know that open marriages, where spouses are allowed to have actual physical relations with people aren't their spouse last longer? Do you know that people in open marriages have a lower divorce rate?

    Try to educate yourself people foisting your own personal beliefs on others.
    http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/th...

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • In reply to lonny900
    eokpar02's picture

    lonny900:
    @eokpar2

    Why would I have a problem asking Obama personal questions?

    I'm not trying to suggest that the public should constantly pry into our politicians' personal lives, but there are A LOT of instances where THEY make their personal lives relevant through their own actions. For instance, WHEN YOU SEND A NUDE PHOTO OF YOURSELF TO ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, IT BECOMES A PUBLIC ISSUE.

    I'm judging by the fact that she stopped showing up to support him at his press conferences as an indication as maybe this is all coming as a surprise to her.

    And stop with the high horse crap. You're implying that I think I'm better than him, which isn't true. I'd want myself held to the same standard, regardless of whether or not I was in public office. I don't have anything against the man. I'm not insulting you for you viewpoint; give me the same courtesy.

    I would have a problem asking Obama what his favorite sexual position is or any other question that doesn't pertain to policy.

    First and foremost, try to use the word constituent correctly. Anthony Weiner is congressman from NYC. His constituents would be the people in his district. He sent the pictures to women on the West Coast and Nevada. Not exactly his Brooklyn constituents. So, by your own admission, it isn't a public issue.

    How do you know his wife doesn't support him? His wife is in Africa with the State Department. Do you expect her to fly from Johannesburg to the Sheraton in NYC? Are you saying that not showing up to his impromptu press conference is a lack of support? Are you an idiot?

    Secondly, I don't understand how you can get all hot and bothered by phone conversations and tweets. He didn't send them to you. They don't affect his policy or his support for medical care to 9/11 responders. His tweets and phone calls are just communication, and by that extension, you would have no problem demanding the content of all of his phones calls and personal communication, correct?

    I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
    -Styles P

  • happypantsmcgee's picture

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • In reply to eokpar02
    veritas14's picture

    eokpar02:
    veritas14:

    I pity the woman/man you marry if dirty phone talk isn't cheating.

    Why? Are you so cloistered that you think there is only one way to operate in a marriage? And if so, is there some book that lays down this expected marriage behavior? Do you know that open marriages, where spouses are allowed to have actual physical relations with people aren't their spouse last longer? Do you know that people in open marriages have a lower divorce rate?

    Try to educate yourself people foisting your own personal beliefs on others.
    http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/th...

    Yes, there is only one way to operate in a marriage. Monogamy and fidelity are not optional.

    What you call "open marriage" is not marriage in any meaningful sense.

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  • In reply to veritas14
    eokpar02's picture

    veritas14:

    Yes, there is only one way to operate in a marriage. Monogamy and fidelity are not optional.

    What you call "open marriage" is not marriage in any meaningful sense.

    You are stupid, very stupid. The facts don't matter to your ilk. It doesn't matter that open marriages are healthier and last longer to idiots like yourself.

    So, you are saying that even though marriages that have couples that have their physical needs met by others outside the marriage aren't marriages? You know that our version of monogamy was up until the 18th century very rare?

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    @eokpar02

    Fair enough, I made a mistake in using the word constituent. I also laid out a sufficient condition for something becoming a public issue, not a necessary one. Logically, my argument still doesn't explicitly define this as a non-public issue, but who cares.

    And thank you for informing me of his wife's status. I noticed that she wasn't there and made an assumption. Again, fair enough.

    I'm not getting "hot and bothered." I'm glad he supports relief for 9/11 first responders. I'm not trying to turn this incident into a reason to oppose everything the man has ever done. All that I am saying is that he volunteered himself to public service and, in my opinion, he has not conducted himself in a manner consistent with what should be expected of an elected official.

    I understand that you think that what he does in his private life is nobody's business, ever. Even if that's the paradigm we accept for public officials, he sent these messages out on his own accord. The fact that they became public knowledge is his own damn fault. Again, I would challenge that paradigm, and here's a hyperbolic example: what if Weiner supported KKK meetings in his spare time, even if his policies seemingly never touched on racial issues? If an official's personal life reflects something important about the individual's capacity to serve, and that knowledge legally becomes public, how/why would anyone want to ignore it?

    The last question I have for you is this: even if we all agree that his private life doesn't matter whatsoever, how can we ignore the fact that he PUBLICLY lied about his actions on several occasions? You can say that reporters should have never asked him about it, and you can argue that he shouldn't have to answer those questions, and if that's the case we can just agree to disagree. But I don't understand how you can be OK with fact that he "panicked" and lied in a situation where he knew (and admitted) that he made a mistake. How can anyone support that behavior in a politician? Why should anyone give him the benefit of the doubt that he won't display the same behavior in a similar situation that IS related to policy? That's what I mean when I specify a loss of credibility.

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    eokpar02:
    veritas14:

    Yes, there is only one way to operate in a marriage. Monogamy and fidelity are not optional.

    What you call "open marriage" is not marriage in any meaningful sense.

    You are stupid, very stupid. The facts don't matter to your ilk. It doesn't matter that open marriages are healthier and last longer to idiots like yourself.

    So, you are saying that even though marriages that have couples that have their physical needs met by others outside the marriage aren't marriages? You know that our version of monogamy was up until the 18th century very rare?

    =:
    The Standard Cross-Cultural Sample describes the amount of extramarital sex by men and women in over 50 pre-industrial cultures.[42][43] The amount of extramarital sex by men is described as "universal" in 6 cultures, "moderate" in 29 cultures, "occasional" in 6 cultures, and "uncommon" in 10 cultures. The amount of extramarital sex by women is described as "universal" in 6 cultures, "moderate" in 23 cultures, "occasional" in 9 cultures, and "uncommon" in 15 cultures. These findings support the claim that the amount of extramarital sex differs across cultures and across genders.

    It's so cute when kids find some worn-out, failed idea and think it's a shining new solution.

    If you change the definition of marriage, you can make a host of relationships LOOK successful. But they aren't marriages.

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    Yea, that's another thing: I think the notion that the idea of open marriage being relevant to this incident is pretty questionable, even if you support the idea of open marriage.

    If he and is wife were open and OK with this kind of behavior, he probably wouldn't have "panicked" and he definitely wouldn't have gotten on stage and apologized for hurting her and disappointing her.

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