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"It will end when this country goes bankrupt, and we're fast approaching that point."

Wow. Ron Paul (R-TX) goes off on Ben Bernanke, the Fed's monkey math, and America's imperial meddling. It's always refreshing to hear straight talk from a politician, probably because it happens so rarely. Why isn't this guy President?

Comments (67)

  • Mr. Cheese's picture

    Repping the 14th Congressional District!

    He also authored "The Revolution: A Manifesto"
    http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Pau...

    Ron Paul is a common sense guy that uses simple logic. This is what will never propel him to the role of President. While you have politicians that run on an emotional ticket that appeals to the masses, a guy like Ron Paul just can't compete, because the masses cannot be swayed with simple logical approaches to solving problems.

  • In reply to Mr. Cheese
    UFOinsider's picture

    Mr. Cheese wrote:
    Ron Paul is a common sense guy that uses simple logic.

    Yeah, like going back to the gold standard. I like where his heart is, and he gets an A for effort, but part of this is him using fear mongering to try and get power.

    The US isn't going bankrupt, plain and simple.

    Get busy living

  • chitownanalyst's picture

    RP is probably the only politician I actually trust. I will definitely vote for him in 2012 if he runs for President.

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    chitownanalyst's picture

    UFOinsider wrote:
    The US isn't going bankrupt, plain and simple.

    Greece probably thought the same thing too. I know we can print money so technically we won' t ever go bankrupt but the dollar won't be worth shit.

  • Mzz's picture

    Agree with you Eddie. I can never understand how anyone with any intelligence can listen to this man and not want to vote for him.

  • Malakari's picture

    He kind of seems like Irwin Schiff to me. Has anyone read How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes?

  • In reply to Malakari
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Malakari wrote:
    He kind of seems like Irwin Schiff to me. Has anyone read How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes?

    LMAO. I think you mean Peter Schiff. Don't feel bad, though. I'm a big fan of Irwin's work too.

  • HFFBALLfan123's picture

    Ron Paul is the shit, point blank....

  • cplpayne's picture

    I'd vote for him if he ran, the problem is that the majority of voters are made to think he is a little looney for actually having common sense.

    "One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

  • txjustin's picture

    I agree with the above. He's from a district really close to me.

  • Coco Nut's picture

    absolutely agree with cplpayne. guys like rp never make it to the top because people don't believe he has what it takes to run the country. he'd have scruples pulling the trigger, you see

  • chewingum's picture

    I read some excerpts of Bernanke's testimony and I feel like he (Bernanke) also has a point. If we are looking at inflation as a measure of recovery, does it make sense to include food and oil which are driven by other macro factors unrelated to the US recovery? Also, it seems like all the money printing via waves of QE is related to supporting the recovery, and not for the purpose of devaluing the dollar and inflating the debt away. Am I way off base here?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/02/us-usa-f...

  • Matthias's picture

    Plus, you know Ron Paul is a genuinely intelligent guy. He attended Duke Med school and was a US Air Force Flight Surgeon. His son also was a doctor and went to Duke med. I read his book End the Fed which was pretty interesting.

  • In reply to chitownanalyst
    UFOinsider's picture

    chitownanalyst wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    The US isn't going bankrupt, plain and simple.

    Greece probably thought the same thing too. I know we can print money so technically we won' t ever go bankrupt but the dollar won't be worth shit.


    silly rhetorice aside, do you seriously think this is a threat at this moment in time? I'm not talking about projected abstractions, I mean right now.

    Get busy living

  • Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture

    Ron Paul is the physical manifestation of the psychological (perhaps better yet, psychotic) phenomenon that is people's preference for subjugation over having a hand in their own governance.

    If you like Ron Paul, better hope his son Rand continues in his footsteps and maybe in thirty years or so... he will have a shot at the White House.

  • Beef's picture

    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done, not someone who's gonna be so unrealistic that everyone will think he's crazy. He's too far in his own corner, we need someone more in the middle.

    Also, you can't blame food prices and gas prices on Bernanke. That's ridiculous. Floods and droughts all over the world, especially Russia and Canada, speculation, uprising in the middle east, price of oil worldwide, etc etc are all factors affecting those things.

    A deflating dollar DOES make it easier for foreign countries to stockpile American food, which they have been doing since they're scared due to the rising food prices. But there are a lot of other factors much more fundamental than this.

    Not that I don't think this path we are on is a completely destructive one...

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

  • In reply to Beef
    UFOinsider's picture

    Beef wrote:
    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done

    Chris Cristie = human wrecking ball

    sic 'em boy

    Get busy living

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    chitownanalyst's picture

    UFOinsider wrote:
    silly rhetorice aside, do you seriously think this is a threat at this moment in time? I'm not talking about projected abstractions, I mean right now.

    Right now, no. However, I do think if we don't make meaningful (i.e., SS, Medicare, Military) spending cuts the rest of the world will one day realize that we aren't paying back shit.

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    Mr. Cheese's picture

    UFOinsider wrote:
    Beef wrote:
    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done

    Chris Cristie = human wrecking ball

    sic 'em boy

    +1. Ya I'm overweight. So what?

  • In reply to Mr. Cheese
    UFOinsider's picture

    Mr. Cheese wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    Beef wrote:
    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done

    Chris Cristie = human wrecking ball

    sic 'em boy

    +1. Ya I'm overweight. So what?


    I'm looking through my posts and don't see where I called anyone fat: apologies just the same if I did and/or offended....

    Get busy living

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    happypantsmcgee's picture

    UFOinsider wrote:
    Mr. Cheese wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    Beef wrote:
    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done

    Chris Cristie = human wrecking ball

    sic 'em boy

    +1. Ya I'm overweight. So what?


    I'm looking through my posts and don't see where I called anyone fat: apologies just the same if I did and/or offended....

    Chris Christie is fat you dork, that's the fat comment.

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • In reply to happypantsmcgee
    UFOinsider's picture

    happypantsmcgee wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    Mr. Cheese wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    Beef wrote:
    Ron Paul makes a good point but he's too idealistic. We need a politician that can get shit done

    Chris Cristie = human wrecking ball

    sic 'em boy

    +1. Ya I'm overweight. So what?


    I'm looking through my posts and don't see where I called anyone fat: apologies just the same if I did and/or offended....

    Chris Christie is fat you dork, that's the fat comment.

    Hahaha, man, I'm dense, and yeah, he's not a looker. I'm thinking we should get Eddie B to whip him into shape and help the guy look more presentable. It sucks, but that's politics

    Get busy living

  • Mr. Cheese's picture

    Hahhaa that's funny. YouTube chrs Christie I'm overweight, so what. John Corzine had a smear campaign going on in the race that depicted Christie as "throwing his weight around". Christie is a no-nonsense politician. Jersey lucked out with him.

  • UFOinsider's picture

    Yes we did, and I'm looking on Youtube for that....

    Get busy living

  • The Young Investor's picture

    I noticed a lot of people saying that I WOULD vote for him if he ran for President, but he did!!!

    He was trying to win the Republican candidacy in 2008. Maybe you guys aren't Republicans and didn't know.

    I voted for him though. RP speaks the truth!

    Yours truly,
    The Young Investor

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    I was at CPAC 2010 in February 2010. It was an amazing event. But the Ron Paul supporters were there and SOOO annoying. However, in the last year or so, I've come to like Ron Paul a great deal. HOWEVER, Ron Paul and his ardent supporters' main problem is that they are SOOOO extreme on almost EVERYTHING. They not only think we should balance the budget (good thing) but we ought to go back to the gold standard (extreme thing). They not only think we should not police the world (good thing) but we ought also not take any measures at home to defend against domestic terrorism, such as wiretapping suspected terrorists, TSA screenings at airports, or even general monitoring (extreme thing). They not only support the 2nd Amendment (good thing), they oppose ALL firearm and weapons regulations (extreme thing). They not only support American ending its foreign aid (eh, one could argue both ways), but they support de-funding and abandoning our 65-year-old ally, Israel, to the wolves of genocide (extreme thing).

    It's just issue after issue where he and his supporters are no where even close to mainstream even though they have a lot of good ideas.

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    VT,

    You make some very good points. I've been a Ron Paul supporter since long before his last run for the presidency, and he continues to have my support. I just wish he'd walk away from the GOP. For some reason he has higher hopes for that decrepit apparatus than I do.

    Over the years, especially the past few years, I've come to believe that extreme is what this country needs. I don't even care which side it's on - Left or Right - I think the next President should be an extremist. Voting the mainstream has produced candidates largely responsible for the various messes we're in as a nation. While I think Ron Paul would make a great President, I think Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich wouldn't be half bad either. At least it would give us an opportunity as a country to vet the undiluted versions of left and right ideology.

    Let the monkey shit commence.

  • UFOinsider's picture

    ^ BERNIE SANDERS! I'm thinking if he and RP ran, they would clean house. It's highly unlikely, but I would work for their campaign

    Get busy living

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    UFO,

    It's amazing to me how liberal I've become since the neocons have been in ascendance. The Bush family ruined the GOP for me, and I find myself fiscally conservative but socially liberal on most things.

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    That's not even fair to say.

    That fucking moron George W. Bush cost the GOP my vote for the rest of my life. His dad was a shady bastard that had plenty going on behind the scenes, but my vote for W. in the 2000 election is the most shameful vote of my life. It hurts to even admit that I ever pulled the lever for that fuckwit.

  • Mr. Cheese's picture

    Eddie..read "Decision Points"?

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Maybe we need extremes (I don't necessarily concede that point), but the reason Ron Paul can't get mainstream support from the Republican party is because he disagrees with the GOP on the few issues where the GOP and Democrats actually have general agreement, like on Israel, like on moneterism, like on fighting domestic terrorism. For example, the FIRST thing his son, Rand Paul, did when he got into office in January was propose cutting foreign aid to Israel...both the Democrats and Republicans eviscerated the guy. Talk of Rand Paul in my Republican community for president one day in the future pretty much was silenced in the matter of an hour--pretty much forever. One can debate whether or not we should support Israel, for example, much like one can debate the merit of social welfare, but lack of support of Israel is as toxic to Ron and Rand Paul as saying Social Security and Medicare ought to be abolished entirely.

    Even Thomas Jefferson was forced to abandon his ideological purity when he saw the opportunity to expand the U.S. into the Louisiana territory. Unless the Pauls and their supporters are willing to do the same, they will remain the proverbial 13 colonies.

  • txjustin's picture

    I would rather burn in hell than abandon my ideological purity and then become what the pussy Republicans are today. Why do you think the Tea Party had the success they had/are having? The problem is a majority politicians abondon their beliefs or move to the "middle" to stay in office, period.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    UFOinsider's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    UFO,

    It's amazing to me how liberal I've become since the neocons have been in ascendance. The Bush family ruined the GOP for me, and I find myself fiscally conservative but socially liberal on most things.


    I'm in the same category, and I came from a

    * military
    * conservative
    * Irish
    * Catholic
    * Republican

    family, so I know how weird it feels. I think it was a necessary step, and learned a lot from the other side of the isle, but I would NOT recommend going over to their camp completely because a lot of the negative stereotypes are very real. I've become a centrist, which doesn't mean much at this point, but I think over the next decade all the hysterics will fall by the wayside provided the economy continues to pick up and we don't see any more major terrorist attacks. Right now, America is cleaning house on many levels.

    Personally, I see the ENORMOUS amount of time and energey poured into public debates as largely fruitless waste, and treading very worn out ideologies, and at this point is mostly obsolete. It's being driven by opportunists and fanatics, who want to WIN and BE RIGHT more than contribute and do the right thing.

    There is currently no voice for people who agree, or want to agree, and I'm guessing that there's quite a few. No, all government isn't bad. Yes, taxes could be lower. A good idea is a good idea. etc and on and ond.

    The other thing is this: the last president did a lot of things that the current president continued [the war, guantanamo, the bailout, living in the whitehouse, etc]. History repeats itself, and there is a learning curve. The best thing to do is to learn from history and then get ahead of it.

    Get busy living

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    UFOinsider's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    Mr. Cheese wrote:
    Eddie..read "Decision Points"?

    A volume of excuses penned by one of his daughter's classmates? I think I'll pass. There's far more enjoyable bullshit to choose from.


    Do yourself a favor: read it. Read everything. The primary problem in America is that people have been drinking partisan cool aid since sometime around the end of Eisenhower's administration and it's just not prductive anymore. Now, everyone is waking up. Conservatives are rethinking some things. Liberals are calming down. Hell, even the militias in Colorado are showing up on TV to answer questions on taxes. Read a former president's book: you will learn something about the world's formerly most powerful man.

    Personally, I've gone from lifelong GOP to extreme liberal and everything in between, settling on conservative centrist, and honestly, I can say this: there's a lot of useful information in there, even if you don't like parts of it.

    Get busy living

  • In reply to txjustin
    Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    txjustin wrote:
    I would rather burn in hell than abandon my ideological purity and then become what the pussy Republicans are today. Why do you think the Tea Party had the success they had/are having? The problem is a majority politicians abondon their beliefs or move to the "middle" to stay in office, period.

    I think you're perpetuating a myth that ideological purity is somehow moral or ideal. As mentioned, Thomas Jefferson diverged from his beliefs about federal power when he saw the opportunity to make an amazing acquisition of territory and resources for the United States. I like Ron Paul but some of his policies are just bad policy. His "ideological purity" won't allow him to support wiretapping of suspected Islamic radicals. His "ideological purity" won't allow him to help the Jews keep themselves from extermination by 1.5 billion Muslims who would exterminate theJews if given the opportunity. His "ideological purity" means he is radically opposed to maintaining a secure southern border. His "ideological purity" means that he has a Constitutional problem with killing American citizens "without a trial" who have renounced their citizenship and taken up arms against their own nation. I don't support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but 80% of citizenry would have little problem killing someone without a trial who is SHOOTING at (or whose intention is to murder) American military personnel or American citizens.

    Ron Paul is gaining traction in the GOP because the greatest issue of our day is America's race toward bankruptcy and national collapse, but Paul and his supporters subscribe to a form of "ideologically purity" that is NOT consistent with Republican conservatism. As a Republican, I feel no shame in being "ideologically impure" compared to Ron Paul.

  • txjustin's picture

    I'm not comparing my personal beliefs with those of RP. I agree with RP on a lot of things, but I believe he is lacking in a lot as well. I simply mean that I won't as a person bend on what i believe in to keep power as politicians are doing.

  • Mr. Cheese's picture

    Eddie it's nice to have a profound opposition against a political party/ individual, but I urge you to read and not disregard based on presuppositions. I'm right there with you on the GOP and Bush, but reading something contrary to your beliefs/views only strengthens your arguments and knowledge as to why you believe what you do

  • MPG's picture

    Obama is going to win in 2012. Sorry--I don't like it either, but it is going to happen.

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Guys, I'm generally considered a well-read person, and I read stuff from all sides of the spectrum.

    The fact that I hold George W. Bush's ghostwritten memoirs in the same esteem as those of say, Alfred E. Neuman's, should be a reflection of my intelligence, not my ignorance.

    No single person has done more to damage the American brand in my lifetime (including Nixon), and that encompasses 95% of your lifetimes as well. (assuming 5% of our readers are older than me, which is probably not likely)

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    veritas14's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever wrote:
    I was at CPAC 2010 in February 2010. It was an amazing event. But the Ron Paul supporters were there and SOOO annoying. However, in the last year or so, I've come to like Ron Paul a great deal. HOWEVER, Ron Paul and his ardent supporters' main problem is that they are SOOOO extreme on almost EVERYTHING. They not only think we should balance the budget (good thing) but we ought to go back to the gold standard (extreme thing). They not only think we should not police the world (good thing) but we ought also not take any measures at home to defend against domestic terrorism, such as wiretapping suspected terrorists, TSA screenings at airports, or even general monitoring (extreme thing). They not only support the 2nd Amendment (good thing), they oppose ALL firearm and weapons regulations (extreme thing). They not only support American ending its foreign aid (eh, one could argue both ways), but they support de-funding and abandoning our 65-year-old ally, Israel, to the wolves of genocide (extreme thing).

    It's just issue after issue where he and his supporters are no where even close to mainstream even though they have a lot of good ideas.

    "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

    Conservatives are the real radicals.

    *********************************
    “The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher.” - Oscar Wilde

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Extremism in the pursuit of bad public policy IS a vice. A quote from anyone other than Jesus Christ himself has no real bearing on me.

    EDIT: the real irony in it all is that the U.S. Constitution is a case study in moderation in long-term attainment of a more just society.

  • In reply to chitownanalyst
    saads1987's picture

    chitownanalyst wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    The US isn't going bankrupt, plain and simple.

    Greece probably thought the same thing too. I know we can print money so technically we won' t ever go bankrupt but the dollar won't be worth shit.

    Greece does not have the same GDP growth rate as the US, an economy as large as the US and it doesn't have the reserve currency. If your thinking about throwing China at me, ask your self this, if China wants their currency to be the reserve currency, why have they fixed it to the US dollar?

  • saads1987's picture

    Wow, reading all this posts astound me especially given the amount of bankers and traders that are reading this. Let me ask the people that like Ron Paul this question; if the US interest rate was allowed to go up based on the market, what is that going to do to the US corporate debt market? If you agree interest rates are going to go even higher, how will companies do deals or generate earnings? For the people that argue that taxes should be lowered, the cost of debt will negate any savings corporations will have from savings from interest and then some. What do you think that affect will have on the unemployment rate?

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Well, his views have DEFINITELY changed on amnesty and immigration. Like I said, I was at CPAC 2010 in February 2010 and the Ron Paul people, including Judge Andrew Napolitano, were quite adamant that security measures at the border, strong immigration laws, I.D. cards, etc. were violations of the constitution.

    As far as what you consider common sense, I would simply disagree as would most people, which is why the Ron Paul people will never gain enough traction to be a real national force.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    UFOinsider's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    The fact that I hold George W. Bush's ghostwritten memoirs in the same esteem as those of say, Alfred E. Neuman's, should be a reflection of my intelligence, not my ignorance.

    Wow, I take it all back, I tried reading it over the weekend and threw it across the room after about 20 pages. It's bullshit.

    Get busy living

  • In reply to MPG
    UFOinsider's picture

    Military_MBA_Banker wrote:
    Obama is going to win in 2012. Sorry--I don't like it either, but it is going to happen.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2645/1/?red...

    Get busy living

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