The Randian Economist

I had no intent of giving the old girl so much shine this week, but considering that I have been slacking on my Atlas Shrugged movie review, better to let an expert handle it. Here's Yaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute remind us yet again, what the moral of the story really is and why the book is more popular than ever. Enjoy the video and most of all...the accent.

 

The interviewer can barely string a coherent question together.

C'mon Yahoo. Step it up.

What accent does the Ayn Rand guy have?

********************************* “The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher.” - Oscar Wilde
 
veritas14:
What accent does the Ayn Rand guy have?
His name sounds hebrew so he might be Israeli. Or it might just be a lisp.
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Let me say a little bit about why I appreciate Atlas Shrugged, the most important point I took away from it, and why so many people really hate the book.

First things first. I appreciate Atlas Shrugged because it was the only book that even approached in any way the situation of facing a group of people who are convinced they are somehow doing good, and following "the principles of being good", but overall to you come across as having a bad effect and actually not being very good at all. This isn't a terribly uncommon situation, but there are no other books in my mind that in any way raises this issue. If it's good for people to read books they can somewhat identify with, then that is the only book that provides this type of good.

The other situation the book portrays is when people who seem to be not very deserving and don't behave terribly well try to guilt-trip you into things. Again, I don't know any other book that specifically discusses guilt-tripping on behalf of "claimed good but not perceived good" as a phenomenon. If you know of any then please tell me. (Edit: I guess the other one that springs to mind is Thus Spake Zarathustra, a rare gem as well).

Aside from this imagery, the only real 'moral point' the book seems to make in my view is that charity deserves thanks. The only scene that really had an impact was the guilt-tripping one - and in no way was it ever said by anyone that charity, or giving, or being helpful, in any way is evil or shouldn't be done. It simply said, A) charity is optional, B) charity deserves thanks. The people who didn't receive charity in the book never asked politely, never implied any kind of gratefulness, never gave any obligation of 'I'll try to do better'.

Lastly, there's a lot of reasons people hate it, but my feeling if you dive deep into the fundamental undercurrents of leftist thought is that the preceding point is really THE problem, ten times more than any other. Marxism and leftist thought generally is very preoccupied with "thinking the right way" (right according to us), and this thinking includes that you essentially only exist as part of a collective and you have an eternal unerasable debt to all other humans. The strong shall carry more, the weak shall be carried etc, without even a single thought that makes this seem unwanted. The meme "charity deserves thanks" is like a stake through the heart of this, a fucking funeral pyre. Accept the phrase "charity deserves thanks" and you have made the entirety of Marxist vision unobtainable. And taxes in this context, beyond the 'paying for fundamental services' objection, would be defined as charity.

I don't think taxes should be optional, I just think that people who pay taxes deserve thanks. Like every taxpayer deserves a "you know what, it's not like I owe you a favour for this, but actually, I really appreciate the money you paid in this month". This is why I can never be "progressive", "communal" or what the hell they want to call it.

Naturally there were a lot of things that weren't great in the book, like it was far too long (I skipped parts) and more. But these are pretty excusable if you get something good from a book. I mean, you can criticize books that don't have illustrations, or the ones that have (presumably either) but if any of these books gives you something valuable then who the hell cares. And naturally I feel that a lot of the plain hatred and despise for the book, although put under the guise of 'literary criticism' is a bit of a case of "the lady doth protest too much".

 

Thomas Sowell crushes economic/public policy myths and fallacies with more style and precision.

********************************* “The American father is never seen in London. He passes his life entirely in Wall Street and communicates with his family once a month by means of a telegram in cipher.” - Oscar Wilde
 

Atlas Shrugged isn't my favorite book by her, but it's still good. I honestly like most of Ayn Rand's work, both fiction and non-fiction. I personally find her novels about the ego, selfishness, and individualism the most interesting (hence my love for the Fountainhead). Anthem is a really short but interesting novel. It's set in a dystopian, collectivist future- kinda like 1984 but with little science/technology. If you can stand reading plays the Night of January 16th is a great read too. Nonfiction wise, the Virtue of Selfishness is great too.

If you're looking for other authors espousing similar views, you can look at the ARI (www.aynrand.org) and anything by Leonard Peikoff. Theguy is great and I was lucky enough to meet him a few years back. His book, Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, is amazing and if you have any questions about Objectivism that will answer them. It's not the easiest read ever, but its still fantastic. It doesn't depend on what strain of Objectivism you find more appealing (the post Rand Kelley-Peikoff split) you will still learn a lot from this book.

I do think that Objectivism is, on the most basic level, a stage the glorifies and focuses on the individual and rationality. If every man acted in his or her own self interest, results would be better across the board. One can purport that a person's duty is to society, but this is inherently immoral in that it subjugates the most important (oneself) for the collective- who in turn gains far less from your sacrifice than you would. The welfare paradox and other societal problems arise from this. People often confuse altruism with charity and this is a mistake, since people can derive utility from charitable donations (another analogue is marriage, which I think you linked her talking about). Unlike Ayn Rand, I don't believe that religion and rationality/Objectivism are opposites.

Personally, I do not like her whole "Religion is evil" mantra, but I tend to apply her principle to my political beliefs more than my personal life. I do believe that religion can allow for activity that she may describe as altruism in TVoS or the Fountainhead- but since I derive utility from it I feel that I am still acting in my own self interest. I do't think it's too hard to adhere to Objectivism as well as your own beliefs.

Also, it may be a cop out, but the list of "Suggested Reading" from the ARI is fantastic.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ayn_rand_ideas_suggested...

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He's from South Africa (or at least that's where he currently resides). He came and spoke at our school a few months back. Our school is going through this huge transformation (been going through it the past 6 years) and part of it is based on this book and the ideas it influences. BB&T also "highly recommends" (almost requires) it's LDP people to read it as that institution also practices some of the ideas from the book.

 

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