Your Fat May Keep You From Getting A Job

Mod (Andy) note: See similar thread " Your Height May Keep You From Getting A Job
It's well known that discrimination occurs over height, hair color, attractiveness, etc. in the hiring process or in the work place. Weight discrimination has risen 66% in the last decade according to the Journal of Obesity. And guess what? It is legal in every state except Michigan to discriminate against obese applicants for business reasons. Did you never lose that extra beer weight from college? Well you might consider spending some extra time at the gym, it could soon be as important as getting your resume to look perfect :

The obese are absent from work more often than people of healthy weight. The most obese men take 5.9 more sick days a year; the most obese women, 9.4 days more. Obesity-related absenteeism costs employers as much as $6.4 billion a year, health economists led by Eric Finkelstein of Duke University calculated.

Do you think discriminating against the obese is OK? Do you discriminate against obese applicants when you interview? How important is physical appearance in your workplace?

I don't know about the rest of you but I've been steadily dropping some weight for a while and still have a way to go, but this is good motivation. It is going to be interesting to see how this issue develops over the next few years as America's obesity problem grows. It's pretty obvious to see that weight has affected the careers of people like Chris Christie.

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I'm a firm believer that your appearance says a lot about you. Do you pay attention to detail, do you care what you look like etc. Unless you were genetically blessed it takes hard work and dedication to stay in shape when in an office setting. That says something about a person. Like it or not attractive people (and skinnier people) are valued more highly than the opposite. Fact of life. I'm not taking anything away from those who aren't thin but I also don't have much sympathy for those who complain about it while eating ice cream.

 

I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

 
Ryan M:
I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

No fucking way on the cuffs/cufflinks. French cuffs are reserved for people who deserve them (i.e. not a monkey like you or me).

Discriminating on appearance (which is what being fat is) is absolutely fair. Speaking as a guy with probably 25-30 to lose (was probably 10 before I started college, then beer), I'm absolutely conscious of the fact that in an interview you are being judged on an incredibly shallow level. Being trim/in shape helps convey that you take yourself seriously and have discipline. When you add in the fact that your hire could be facing clients/investors, makes sense on all levels.

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance
 
SECfinance:
Ryan M:
I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

No fucking way on the cuffs/cufflinks. French cuffs are reserved for people who deserve them (i.e. not a monkey like you or me).

Thats what I thought as well going into this course but this guy does training in New York, Toronto, and London for the biggest IBanks in the world and that was his recommendation. He did say conservative though so I wont be getting the blinged out ones at hold renfrew or harry rosen. This is why I am asking WSO because I have had conflicting responses. ie. If you have ever read Monkey Business I remember them tearing the new analyst to shreds because he wore cufflinks.

 
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SECfinance:
Ryan M:
I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

No fucking way on the cuffs/cufflinks. French cuffs are reserved for people who deserve them (i.e. not a monkey like you or me).

WTF? You've got self esteem issues if you think you don't deserve to wear french cuff shirts. I've been wearing them since I started work, and if anyone gives me shit about them (including the partner I work for), I'll tell him to kindly fuck off.
-MBP
 
Ryan M:
I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

That seems really strange to me. I definitely get the conservative hair cut (I think all the kids who've got that stupid high school hair cut where the hair hangs off of their ears and curls up are just idiots who look like fools and need to grow up) and the conservative tie (any tie that is metallic or has an asymmetric pattern like a guido flower on it also looks awful), but I don't get the suit and shirt. I see nothing wrong with wearing a nice gray suit with a blue shirt.

 
manbearpig:
What are we talking about when we say obese? I don't hire anyone with a height to waist ratio of less than 2 =P

I'd be skin and bones at a 29 inch waist. Guess I'll have to look past MBP Capital for my employment. :(

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance
 
SECfinance:
manbearpig:
What are we talking about when we say obese? I don't hire anyone with a height to waist ratio of less than 2 =P

I'd be skin and bones at a 29 inch waist. Guess I'll have to look past MBP Capital for my employment. :(

You're fucking short bro.
-MBP
 

I would for sure discriminate on fatties.

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
manbearpig:
dabanobo:
SECfinance:
I'd be skin and bones at a 29 inch waist. Guess I'll have to look past MBP Capital for my employment. :(

You're 4'10"???

lol, beat me to it.

Holy shit, too much studying going on. Complete swing and a miss on that one. Apparently 5 x 12 = 50 in my world.

Carry on gentlemen.

manbearpig:
SECfinance:
Ryan M:
I have been doing an IB Prep course with MDA training this week and that hasnt come up but what you wear is much stricter then i realized. from what i have heard this week unless you show up to the interview in a black or blue tailored suit, white shirt with double cuffs, conservative cufflinks, conservative tie and a conservative hair cut you can kiss your chances good by regardless of how well your interview went. i am in canada and this is apparently the norm. any feed back on other dress codes across the world from you other monkeys?

No fucking way on the cuffs/cufflinks. French cuffs are reserved for people who deserve them (i.e. not a monkey like you or me).

WTF? You've got self esteem issues if you think you don't deserve to wear french cuff shirts. I've been wearing them since I started work, and if anyone gives me shit about them (including the partner I work for), I'll tell him to kindly fuck off.

Not sure where you work MBP but everything I've read says that in the BB environment french cuffs are a definite no-no. As far as the post goes, for an interview I would be extremely conservative - no Frenchs.

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance
 

People discriminate based on appearance. That's life. Deal with it.

Cris Christie -> Weight Watchers -> President 2016

Campaign slogan: "Trimming down America's debt. If I can do it, America can." Easy sell.

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
People discriminate based on appearance. That's life. Deal with it.

Cris Christie -> Weight Watchers -> President 2016

Campaign slogan: "Trimming down America's debt. If I can do it, America can." Easy sell.

Chris Christie is the Tits

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
 

I'm not sure if I would discriminate when hiring. Appearance definitely matters in client-facing roles. That's the truth. There is a difference between overweight (I would say the majority of people in this industry fall into this category, according to BMI) and obese. How a person carries their weight too, if they're tall, etc. Short and obese is the worst in my book.

 
RagnarDanneskjold:
How a person carries their weight
Yes, some women can actually make some extra weight very sexy, curves are hot. Short, fat, and sweaty is a hard sell for a client facing role when compared to an equally qualified but attractive candidate.
Get busy living
 

I am a large man and I am well aware my size affects me during job interviews. So, I always work in the fact that I have currently lost over 130 lbs, with no signs of stopping, during my interviews. I hope it shows that I have the drive to fix a major problem. I really have no excuse for it but basically I was in a seriously injured my senior year of HS and went into a “dark” place for 3-4 years.

Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK
 

I've got probably 30 pounds to lose. Gained it all after college sitting at a fucking desk. I keep telling myself I am going to start working on it, but fuck its hard.

People judge? Mmm probably. Have I noticed? Nope. Do I consider myself obese? Not at all. Could I lose a few? Most def. What will it take to lose it? Probably being single again, as I am in a LTR (actually the LTR + starting my career at a desk = the 30+ pounds I have packed on haha).

 

This is absolutely 100% true, and I know this because I used to be obese. I lost 65 pounds. Right now I'm still medically a little bit overweight but I'm tall and it doesn't show whatsoever when I'm in business atire. I also don't really feel or look fat anymore except when I wear certain clothes. Being fat isn't necessarily any different than being ugly in that it all comes down to physical attractiveness. Being fat is obviously a sign of laziness, sloppiness, etc, even if it's only subconscious. Even if you're completely heterosexual, studies show that you tend to try to make friends with those who are as good looking or better looking than you are, and you'll be more likely to try to "aim high" and make good-looking friends than "aim low" and make ugly ones. It's just a fact of life that physical features permeate all of our decisions, which is why fit, good-looking guys and girls tend to get jobs more than those who aren't.

As a side note, even though it sucks to be discriminated against because of weight, I don't necessarily think it should be illegal. You'd have lawsuits abound, clogging the court systems, and to be honest, weight IS an indicator of health and does impact the sale and it's understandable that an employer wants those who make good impressions to work for him/her. If we outlaw weight discrimination, eventually we'd have to outlaw looks discrimination, and it'll never end. Yes, being fat sucks ass, believe me, and we need to be compassionate to those who are overweight because believe me, chances are they feel like shit for it and trapped in that awful cycle ("I'll start tomorrow. I'll start tomorrow." Then they start but they've got insulin pumping through their system so they feel extremely hungry, which makes them gorge and eat more carbs especially, which then prompts more insulin, etc, which then leads to diabetes. It truly does end up becoming a disease that the person may not have as much control over as you'd think, but it can be treated with the right help and motivation.), but just because they're overweight doesn't mean we should block this from our decisions of whether to hire them any more than we should block their other indicators of how they present themselves.

 
bulge_bracket:
As a side note, even though it sucks to be descriminated against because of weight, I don't necessarily think it should be illegal. You'd have lawsuits abound, clogging the court systems, and to be honest, weight IS an indicator of health and does impact the sale and it's understandable that an employer wants those who make good impressions to work for him/her. If we outlaw weight discrimination, eventually we'd have to outlaw looks discrimination, and it'll never end. Yes, being fat sucks ass, believe me, and we need to be compassionate to those who are overweight because believe me, chances are they feel like shit for it and trapped in that awful cycle ("I'll start tomorrow. I'll start tomorrow." Then they start but they've got insulin pumping through their system so they feel extremely hungry, which makes them gorge and eat more carbs especially, which then prompts more insulin, etc, which then leads to diabetes. It truly does end up becoming a disease that the person may not have as much control over as you'd think, but it can be treated with the right help and motivation.), but just because they're overweight doesn't mean we should block this from our decisions of whether to hire them any more than we should block their other indicators of how they present themselves.
Congrats on getting control of it all, I wrestle with my own health issues, they're just not as outwardly obvious. Also, this is very honest and you are to be commended. The root word for discriminate is 'discern', as in, to tell one thing from another. Bad health, even if the person does not want it, is a liability and it is only right to treat it as such: the mindset and mechanism of fixing it, however, leave much to be desired. Prophylaxis is best, get ahead of things.

This isn't the forum for this discussion, but health in general is taken for granted in this country and it really pisses me off.

Get busy living
 
analyst-therapist:
I don't understand how its acceptable to be fat at all frankly. I would probably hire a less qualified candidate if he was in shape than a more qualified fat one. It is decision to be fat and a bad one at that.

Not really though. Yes, people who are in scooters are inexcusable. But some pudginess comes down to genetics, and believe me because I've been there, once you have a diet in which you're eating too many refined sugars or carbs, as is the case with most Americans, the food triggers hormones in your brain similar to cocaine or heroin. Literally, sugar acts as a drug that releases dopamine just like hard drugs do.

http://www.lurj.org/article.php/vol1n1/sugar.xml

Yes, you can prevent it, and yes, you can treat it. But it's not as simple as "these fatties don't go to the gym." It really is a very hard problem to overcome just as quitting an addictive substance is. Also think about the fact that these fatties don't just have to maintain their weight like you do. They have to lose weight, which means hunger pains kick in and they have to be on restrictive diets for a very long time. Unless you've been fat, you truly can't speak to the effects being overweight has on your body and the hold the food has on your brain.

 

Definitely discriminate against fatties. fat = too lazy for gym = unmotivated = bad work ethic = bad employee = take a lot of sick (fat) days = cause company to lose a lot of money = cause company to go bankrupt

Don't hire the fatties

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
 
Neighbor:
Definitely discriminate against fatties. fat = too lazy for gym = unmotivated = bad work ethic = bad employee = take a lot of sick (fat) days = cause company to lose a lot of money = cause company to go bankrupt

Don't hire the fatties

As I've said before, I agree that you should take someone's weight into account when you hire. But it's extremely ignorant to say that fatties are "too lazy for the gym." A lot of them put on extra weight in high school/middle school, possibly due to inscecurities, and they seek refuge in comfort food because as I said before, it acts on pleasure centers in the brain. Then, when they lose/try to lose weight, the reason so few of them go to the gym is frankly because of people like you who say they're too lazy. When I was overweight, I didn't want to go to the gym because I was self-conscious of people looking at me and thinking "what is that fat guy doing here? hahaha" I go now all the time, but it's much easier for a fat person to start by watching food intake than it is for them to go to the gym and be around other people. It's like when the fat guy tries to join his friends for a sports game, and the friends are surprised he showed up, kinda laughing with a question mark when they say the name, like "John? Okayyy" because he isn't fit.

Believe me, if you haven't ever been fat, you can not speak to how motivated or unmotivated someone is to lose weight. It'd be like me saying "look at that alcoholic, why doesn't he just stop drinking?? Lazy.."

 
bulge_bracket:
Neighbor:
Definitely discriminate against fatties. fat = too lazy for gym = unmotivated = bad work ethic = bad employee = take a lot of sick (fat) days = cause company to lose a lot of money = cause company to go bankrupt

Don't hire the fatties

As I've said before, I agree that you should take someone's weight into account when you hire. But it's extremely ignorant to say that fatties are "too lazy for the gym." A lot of them put on extra weight in high school/middle school, possibly due to inscecurities, and they seek refuge in comfort food because as I said before, it acts on pleasure centers in the brain. Then, when they lose/try to lose weight, the reason so few of them go to the gym is frankly because of people like you who say they're too lazy. When I was overweight, I didn't want to go to the gym because I was self-conscious of people looking at me and thinking "what is that fat guy doing here? hahaha" I go now all the time, but it's much easier for a fat person to start by watching food intake than it is for them to go to the gym and be around other people. It's like when the fat guy tries to join his friends for a sports game, and the friends are surprised he showed up, kinda laughing with a question mark when they say the name, like "John? Okayyy" because he isn't fit.

Believe me, if you haven't ever been fat, you can not speak to how motivated or unmotivated someone is to lose weight. It'd be like me saying "look at that alcoholic, why doesn't he just stop drinking?? Lazy.."

I'm pretty sure he / she was joking and being a little sarcastic. Lighten up (pun intended)

 

Let me preface by saying that I'm a lean guy. But to defend some of the fatties:I find it so funny that some Undergrads on WSO are so opinionated in regard overweight people. I'm literally smiling right now. Please reserve your opinion on the matter until you spend a few months of 12-16 hour days on a desk or in the bullpen. Then talk to me about willpower. Thanks.

 

Unless you have a genetic disorder, being fat is entirely up to you (and probably your parents for enabling it if it occurred during childhood).

Losing weight is an incredibly simple concept: Calories in

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

[quote=aempirei]Unless you have a genetic disorder, being fat is entirely up to you (and probably your parents for enabling it if it occurred during childhood).

Losing weight is an incredibly simple concept: Calories in

 

Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard.

Controlling your alcohol intake is not a hard concept: dont drink alcohol or have one glass and be done ----> not an alcoholic.

They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.

 
Nobama88:
Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.
And what was your point again? Alcoholism IS a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.
My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 
aempirei:
Nobama88:
Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.
And what was your point again? Alcoholism IS a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.

Read my earlier post/the link about sugar. Sugar lights up pleasure centers and addiction centers in the brain much like cocaine and heroin does. In fact, a new study shows that sugar is FAR more addictive than cocaine. When a person eats those twinkies, his brain lights up. So he gains a few pounds. The problem is that eating too many carbohydrates (as we've been doing more and more, thank you U.S. food pyramid!) leads to an insulin spike, which then makes the eater feel hungry again when blood sugar drops, and so they eat more, and so more insulin gets dumped in, until the user is insulin-resistant, and finally, diabetic. I was insulin-resistant: my insulin level was 5 times that of a normal person and I was 17. I'm completely fine and normalized now, but I was on the track to become diabetic. In this way, because of how the sugar especially acts on body chemistry, certain types of obesity ARE diseases much the same as alcoholism is a disease. You can literally become addicted to sugar and food, not in the "I like twinkies, yum" sense, but in the "My body is shaking and I need my fix of sugar" sense. When you drink too much, you stop drinking easily and say "I'm detoxing for the week." The alcoholic feels awful and has physiological reactions when they stop drinking. Much the same way, when you eat too much, you stop eating and feel fine. When the fatty tries to stop eating so much, physiological reactions occur that are different than yours in his body.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-…

 
aempirei:
Nobama88:
Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.
And what was your point again? Alcoholism IS a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.

The New England Journal of Medicine would highly disagree with you. But, I am sure you know so much more. Just put the bottle down, budddy.

 

BTW, I say Alcoholism is a disease loosely because I don't necessarily believe in it or addiction in general. Everyone should be able to quit eating, drinking or doing drugs cold turkey. For the people that do heroin and develop physical rather than psychological addictions, I guess that is different because they will literally die without medicine, but I think addiction is a crop of shit. Show a little self-restraint and will power and you won't be addicted to anything. I smoked a lot of cigarettes from 18-23 and quit on my 23rd birthday cold turkey. I couldn't tell you what "cigarette addiction" is because in my mind, it doesn't exist.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 
aempirei:
BTW, I say Alcoholism is a disease loosely because I don't necessarily believe in it or addiction in general. Everyone should be able to quit eating, drinking or doing drugs cold turkey. For the people that do heroin and develop physical rather than psychological addictions, I guess that is different because they will literally die without medicine, but I think addiction is a crop of shit. Show a little self-restraint and will power and you won't be addicted to anything. I smoked a lot of cigarettes from 18-23 and quit on my 23rd birthday cold turkey. I couldn't tell you what "cigarette addiction" is because in my mind, it doesn't exist.

that's alcoholism, bro... physical addiction where if you come off a bender cold turkey it can kill you. though it obviously depends on the severity of the bender.

 
paulanderson:
aempirei:
BTW, I say Alcoholism is a disease loosely because I don't necessarily believe in it or addiction in general. Everyone should be able to quit eating, drinking or doing drugs cold turkey. For the people that do heroin and develop physical rather than psychological addictions, I guess that is different because they will literally die without medicine, but I think addiction is a crop of shit. Show a little self-restraint and will power and you won't be addicted to anything. I smoked a lot of cigarettes from 18-23 and quit on my 23rd birthday cold turkey. I couldn't tell you what "cigarette addiction" is because in my mind, it doesn't exist.

that's alcoholism, bro... physical addiction where if you come off a bender cold turkey it can kill you. though it obviously depends on the severity of the bender.

Yah I've heard of people dying after coming off a bender due to withdrawal. I literally just do not understand how one can get that far gone with alcohol that something like that happens.

A lot of these "diseases" and "addictions" got that way because the person didn't have enough self control or restraint before it became a problem.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

I have been fat like (over 60 pounds overweight) so yes i know what i'm talking about. It takes alot of self control and discipline to not eat and to work out. But it is very very doable. I dont really subscribe to the whole addiction is a disease thing either. I have quit many things that I supposedly should have been addicted to (cigarettes, eating, etc) and I am of the opinion that is more lack of willpower and discipline that promotes addiction rather than a "disease"

Either way, giving reasons why its hard to not be fat does not give me anymore sympathy for being fat. Fat people will continue to be discriminated against plain and simple.

 
analyst-therapist:
I have been fat like (over 60 pounds overweight) so yes i know what i'm talking about. It takes alot of self control and discipline to not eat and to work out. But it is very very doable. I dont really subscribe to the whole addiction is a disease thing either. I have quit many things that I supposedly should have been addicted to (cigarettes, eating, etc) and I am of the opinion that is more lack of willpower and discipline that promotes addiction rather than a "disease"

Either way, giving reasons why its hard to not be fat does not give me anymore sympathy for being fat. Fat people will continue to be discriminated against plain and simple.

^Agreed^

I have lost over 130 pounds and it wasn't easy. It took alot of self control and frankly being pisst off at the situation. Now Im still big and working out twice a day so I should be a "normie" by this year. I do feel a 1000 times better and have tons of energy so I understand why you would want a healthy work force. On the disease front I will go with my wife's opinion as she is an expert. She best explaines it as a chemical disordered an is an addiction (in some cases). The hardest part she says is that you can't just can't quit eating like you can quit cocaine or smoking. You have to manage your addiction to food and just have the willpower to put the fork down and go sweat. I don't pity large people as I have been there and know how they feel. They need encouragement to lose weight (they know they need to) not negativity. Trust me when your large life is kind of a negative in perspective. However, back on point losing weight rocks. I feel great I get to dress in great clothes and I got the girl!!!

Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK
 
paulydreamer:
analyst-therapist:
I have been fat like (over 60 pounds overweight) so yes i know what i'm talking about. It takes alot of self control and discipline to not eat and to work out. But it is very very doable. I dont really subscribe to the whole addiction is a disease thing either. I have quit many things that I supposedly should have been addicted to (cigarettes, eating, etc) and I am of the opinion that is more lack of willpower and discipline that promotes addiction rather than a "disease"

Either way, giving reasons why its hard to not be fat does not give me anymore sympathy for being fat. Fat people will continue to be discriminated against plain and simple.

^Agreed^

I have lost over 130 pounds and it wasn't easy. It took alot of self control and frankly being pisst off at the situation. Now Im still big and working out twice a day so I should be a "normie" by this year. I do feel a 1000 times better and have tons of energy so I understand why you would want a healthy work force. On the disease front I will go with my wife's opinion as she is an expert. She best explaines it as a chemical disordered an is an addiction (in some cases). The hardest part she says is that you can't just can't quit eating like you can quit cocaine or smoking. You have to manage your addiction to food and just have the willpower to put the fork down and go sweat. I don't pity large people as I have been there and know how they feel. They need encouragement to lose weight (they know they need to) not negativity. Trust me when your large life is kind of a negative in perspective. However, back on point losing weight rocks. I feel great I get to dress in great clothes and I got the girl!!!

Good job on your weight loss! And agree with your points, obviously it's not going to send you into convulsions like quitting a hard drug will, but there's something to be said for the fact that one can't just stop eating until they've lost 100 pounds, unfortunately we all have to keep eating and simply limit it.

 

There is absolutely no reason undergrad applicants should enter an interview over weight. You should be able to find at least a little time to get in the gym. Hell, run to class or ride a damn bike. I can easily see how hard it will be to find time to do these things once full time in IB. But come on. No one is working +-80 hours a week in college. Also, you don’t need to starve yourself to lose weight. It is actually quite opposite. Starving yourself too much causes your body to store more fat. Eat often, but actually good food. We’re talking protein, veggies, carbs, and healthy fats. Don’t blow 1000 calories a night on beer. And if you do, you better put in extra at the gym.

 

I think its a "culture" epidemic not medical. Its become acceptable here in America and that goes to our sedintary lifestlye. You are 100% right on all of that. I also made sure all my food was low on the GI it helped me . You have to take ownership because it isnt no ones fault but yourself (In most cases).

My story is a little different I was an athlete and was in an incedent that changed my lifestlye for awhile.

Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK
 

Bulge and pauly,

I give you guys both props for taking ownership of your position, regardless of how it initially came to be. If more Americans were like you 63% of our adult population wouldn't be overweight (36.5%) or obese (26.5%). You two both just proved through anecdotal evidence that it really only requires the desire from the individual to be fed up with his appearance, fitness level, etc. to decide to make a change.

I've never been overweight, but a few years ago I noticed my fitness level declined dramatically and I put on a few pounds and I made the decision to quit smoking cigarettes, cut out sugar, sodium (as much as I could) and simple carbs from my diet and eat wheat bread/pasta whenever possible. Once you start eating healthy, unhealthy foods are simply unappealing. I started lifting weights 3x a week and running 3x a week. Once you start seeing results, it becomes a part of your routine and you actually look forward to working out. Results are an incredible motivator.

Someone mentioned earlier that fat people are self-conscious in the gym or something. Who gives a shit. Work out for yourself and fuck what other people think. As long as you are trying and stay committed, you will see results. Not everyone is gonna look like Arnold in his prime, but just focus on making small incremental results, not trying to lose more than a pound or two a week and it will happen.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

aempirei,

You are right on that post. My goal wasnt to lose weight I tried that and I failed. I just told myself to have a healthy life and if I loose weight thats great. My weight lost was the side effect of living a healthy active life. I wasn't trying to lose 136 (Just weighed at work) That number wouldve been too big and I prolly wouldve given up. The message shouldnt be loose weight. It should be just live a healthy active happy life and just by correlation the weight will be dropped. back on topic firms should strive for a healthy work force. You are what you eat and a firm is who it hires.

Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK
 

being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

 
couchy:
being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

so you're saying there was no other place to get food within the same distance or close to the same distance as the mcdonalds? I find that very hard to believe..and dont say its cheap..u get a meal for like 5 bucks minimum...making your own sandwich costs about 2 bucks.

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
 
ToiletPaper:
couchy:
being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

so you're saying there was no other place to get food within the same distance or close to the same distance as the mcdonalds? I find that very hard to believe..and dont say its cheap..u get a meal for like 5 bucks minimum...making your own sandwich costs about 2 bucks.

What Sangwich do you make each day?

Eventus stultorum magister.
 
ToiletPaper:
couchy:
being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

so you're saying there was no other place to get food within the same distance or close to the same distance as the mcdonalds? I find that very hard to believe..and dont say its cheap..u get a meal for like 5 bucks minimum...making your own sandwich costs about 2 bucks.

when its 2,3 am, yes. and I of course I brought food into the office. I ate pb&j every day.

 

This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 
wolverine19x89:
This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.
 

As has been said before: It's not easy to eat right and make it to the gym consistently when you're a junior guy. It's tough and takes a ton of willpower. The last thing you want to do sometimes is go to the gym in the evening knowing it's going to tack on two extra hours of work when you get back to your desk.

That being said, it's doable, but please don't preach to analysts about packing on some extra pounds without having experienced the analyst lifestyle.

 

I think this discussion was about being fat BEFORE you even get to your analyst stint. There's a big difference there. If you go in as a IB analyst already obese, you are probably gonna die within a few years.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
 
Neighbor:
Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

Agree. For whoever questioned metabolism differences, the answer is simply that one person who's 6'0" and weighs 150 pounds may burn 2000 calories a day naturally (as in their BMR, if they just sat in bed all day) whereas another person who's 6'0" and weighs 215 pounds may still only burn 2000 calories a day naturally. Whenever a person gains weight, it takes more calories to maintain the body, but unfortunately if the second person were 150 pounds, he'd be burning fewer calories than the first person, which will usually result in a higher "normal" weight unless the second person really works at it. This is by no means an excuse for obesity, just an explanation for why some people naturally are ripped whereas others, even if they spend tons of time in the gym and eat right, can't really seem to get that six pack.

It's also ironic that those who are endomorphs today may have held a past evolutionary advantage. I'm an endomorph - I don't really have a "gut," the fat that I have is retained in my love handles and hips. It sucks because when I wear t-shirts they get a little bit wider toward my waist, and my arms and legs are literally so lean that when I walk my calf muscles jut out recognizably, but like I said, I've worked at it and am still working at it and am only about 5 pounds away from medically being classified as "normal weight." Regarding the whole sugar thing we're discussing, you have to realize that for the mast majority of human history, sugar was extremely rare. We ate vegetables, fruits, meat, and fish. No grains, no pasta, nothing like that. That's why whenever we found fruits, we ate as many as we could (hence the intense and natural predisposition to love sugar and sweet foods), and then when those plants were exhausted, we lived off of game (which is why when you cut carbs out of your diet, you go into a metabolic state kalled ketosis where you live off of your own fat and don't feel as hungry). So essentially, the people who held the best chance for survival gorged whenever they found sweet foods and then lived off of the fat from said foods whenever the foods weren't there. I think it's interesting because we are "programmed" to always try to cling to our fat for as long as possible and eat whatever carbs exist. The problem is that today, we have food everywhere. Not only that, but a lot of the foods we eat have added sugars/carbs even if we don't know it (tomato sauces, etc). Compounding the problem is the fact that fruit has fiber in it which slows absorption and impact on blood sugar, and think about it, can you really sit and eat 10 oranges at one time? No, because you get full from the pulp. But it's very easy to gorge on orange juice, crackers, cake, etc. So what once was an evolutionary advantage, stocking up on food and carbs when it's there and storing fat easily in certain areas to increase later chances of survival during famine, is now a huge medical disadvantage. This isn't an excuse for obesity or anything, just something really interesting to think about and consider what we humans should really be eating. People have to exercise control today (pun intended), but it doesn't help that we've got the U.S. Food Pyramid advocating eating 12 servings of bread/grains a day when for the vast majoirty of our history, bread and grains didn't exist. Personally, I'm not a proponent of Atkins or anything, but we as a society eat way, way too many carbs. The conventional wisdom that 60-70% of our daily calories should come from carbs is just utter bullshit. Finally, mainstream science seems to be coming around to this. But it's just a good reminder for the fact that the foods we as a society eat today directly prime our evolutionary sensors to eat more, which may explain (but not excuse) why so many Americans are obese.

 
bulge_bracket:
Neighbor:
Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

Agree. For whoever questioned metabolism differences, the answer is simply that one person who's 6'0" and weighs 150 pounds may burn 2000 calories a day naturally (as in their BMR, if they just sat in bed all day) whereas another person who's 6'0" and weighs 215 pounds may still only burn 2000 calories a day naturally. Whenever a person gains weight, it takes more calories to maintain the body, but unfortunately if the second person were 150 pounds, he'd be burning fewer calories than the first person, which will usually result in a higher "normal" weight unless the second person really works at it. This is by no means an excuse for obesity, just an explanation for why some people naturally are ripped whereas others, even if they spend tons of time in the gym and eat right, can't really seem to get that six pack.

It's also ironic that those who are endomorphs today may have held a past evolutionary advantage. I'm an endomorph - I don't really have a "gut," the fat that I have is retained in my love handles and hips. It sucks because when I wear t-shirts they get a little bit wider toward my waist, and my arms and legs are literally so lean that when I walk my calf muscles jut out recognizably, but like I said, I've worked at it and am still working at it and am only about 5 pounds away from medically being classified as "normal weight." Regarding the whole sugar thing we're discussing, you have to realize that for the mast majority of human history, sugar was extremely rare. We ate vegetables, fruits, meat, and fish. No grains, no pasta, nothing like that. That's why whenever we found fruits, we ate as many as we could (hence the intense and natural predisposition to love sugar and sweet foods), and then when those plants were exhausted, we lived off of game (which is why when you cut carbs out of your diet, you go into a metabolic state kalled ketosis where you live off of your own fat and don't feel as hungry). So essentially, the people who held the best chance for survival gorged whenever they found sweet foods and then lived off of the fat from said foods whenever the foods weren't there. I think it's interesting because we are "programmed" to always try to cling to our fat for as long as possible and eat whatever carbs exist. The problem is that today, we have food everywhere. Not only that, but a lot of the foods we eat have added sugars/carbs even if we don't know it (tomato sauces, etc). Compounding the problem is the fact that fruit has fiber in it which slows absorption and impact on blood sugar, and think about it, can you really sit and eat 10 oranges at one time? No, because you get full from the pulp. But it's very easy to gorge on orange juice, crackers, cake, etc. So what once was an evolutionary advantage, stocking up on food and carbs when it's there and storing fat easily in certain areas to increase later chances of survival during famine, is now a huge medical disadvantage. This isn't an excuse for obesity or anything, just something really interesting to think about and consider what we humans should really be eating. People have to exercise control today (pun intended), but it doesn't help that we've got the U.S. Food Pyramid advocating eating 12 servings of bread/grains a day when for the vast majoirty of our history, bread and grains didn't exist. Personally, I'm not a proponent of Atkins or anything, but we as a society eat way, way too many carbs. The conventional wisdom that 60-70% of our daily calories should come from carbs is just utter bullshit. Finally, mainstream science seems to be coming around to this. But it's just a good reminder for the fact that the foods we as a society eat today directly prime our evolutionary sensors to eat more, which may explain (but not excuse) why so many Americans are obese.

Agreed, nice post. I prefer to get my carbs from fruits and veggies rather than grains. A good metric for losing weight is keeping a 60/20/20 ratio of calories of protein/carbs/fats per day. Congrats on your body transformation by the way. Youve done what most people aren't disciplined enough to do.

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
 
PetEng:
wolverine19x89:
This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.

I have no idea, but I eat like a fucking pig and am still a scrawny lil fuck.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 
wolverine19x89:
PetEng:
wolverine19x89:
This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.

I have no idea, but I eat like a fucking pig and am still a scrawny lil fuck.

How old are you? Your metabolism will start slowing down by your mid-20s and then it's up to you to decide if you wanna let yourself go or incorporate diet and exercise so you can still look and fuck like a G.
My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

I have the reverse argument

Fat person => generally unattractive => no social life => greater time at work => definite hire unless its a client facing role

I've also observed that the fat guys tend to get away with it being the "jolly good" fellow types but the chubby women are the worst hit imho

Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication ~ Leonardo da Vinci
 
arant:
I have the reverse argument

Fat person => generally unattractive => no social life => greater time at work => definite hire unless its a client facing role

I've also observed that the fat guys tend to get away with it being the "jolly good" fellow types but the chubby women are the worst hit imho

That's because women have one objective in life, dont get fat. If they fail professionally they can just marry a rich guy. You cannot do that if youre a man. Women complain about their rights and shit but in reality they have it much easier because they can just marry a sugar daddy.

 

Genetics definitely plays a role in obesity. My Dad is like 5'8, 145 pounds at the age of 52 and he eats whatever he wants (has not spent a day int he gym either). I have 2 little sisters and a little brother, we are probably all "underweight". No, our parents did not have us eating healthy, we've eaten pretty much whatever we want our whole lives. I am almost certain I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and it'll clog up my arteries with cholesterol and cause a heart attack before I even hit 185 pds (I am currently 5'11 fluctuating between 148-160 which is the heaviest I've ever been).

p.s. this is not to say fatties get a free pass, even counting for HORRID genes there is no way 68% of the American population should be overweight.

 
BigBucks:
Genetics definitely plays a role in obesity. My Dad is like 5'8, 145 pounds at the age of 52 and he eats whatever he wants (has not spent a day int he gym either). I have 2 little sisters and a little brother, we are probably all "underweight". No, our parents did not have us eating healthy, we've eaten pretty much whatever we want our whole lives. I am almost certain I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and it'll clog up my arteries with cholesterol and cause a heart attack before I even hit 185 pds (I am currently 5'11 fluctuating between 148-160 which is the heaviest I've ever been).

p.s. this is not to say fatties get a free pass, even counting for HORRID genes there is no way 68% of the American population should be overweight.

You're whole family is skinny-fat.
My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 
BigBucks:
Genetics definitely plays a role in obesity. My Dad is like 5'8, 145 pounds at the age of 52 and he eats whatever he wants (has not spent a day int he gym either). I have 2 little sisters and a little brother, we are probably all "underweight". No, our parents did not have us eating healthy, we've eaten pretty much whatever we want our whole lives. I am almost certain I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and it'll clog up my arteries with cholesterol and cause a heart attack before I even hit 185 pds (I am currently 5'11 fluctuating between 148-160 which is the heaviest I've ever been).

p.s. this is not to say fatties get a free pass, even counting for HORRID genes there is no way 68% of the American population should be overweight.

This. 6'0 161 heaviest I've been eat fast food 5 times a week. I feel like I'll get a heart attack before my clothes don't fit me

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 

I've become overweight as a kid - spent a summer at my gran's house and ate whatever I wanted (i.e. sweets & cakes). Now working to lose it:

quit smoking rarely eat unhealthy food little alcohol no sweets at all lots of liquid run / gym 4 times a week - run 7+ km anyway

already 10 kilos down, it's hard but worth it

 

I have two friends who are twins, and one of them is thin while the other is fat and has a thyroid condition. The difference is so stark that they don't even look like twins.

I kinda feel bad for fat people. I'm skinny as hell. My dilemna is that I want to do cardio because it feels great, but at the same time I don't want to lose weight b/c I'm already too skinny. Also I get hungry every 2 hours. Oh well, could be worse

 
JDawg:
I have two friends who are twins, and one of them is thin while the other is fat and has a thyroid condition. The difference is so stark that they don't even look like twins.

I kinda feel bad for fat people. I'm skinny as hell. My dilemna is that I want to do cardio because it feels great, but at the same time I don't want to lose weight b/c I'm already too skinny. Also I get hungry every 2 hours. Oh well, could be worse

So eat more to counteract the cardio calorie burn. What the fuck.
My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.
 

Regardless of how it affects your job search, you should take care of yourself. Why? Because you are putting yourself at a high risk for erectile dysfunction.

If you can't love your dick, how can you expect anyone else to love it?

 

I don't know how this hasn't gotten mentioned, but you guys who keep mentioning "Calories In v.s. Calories Out" should really take a look at "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes. The former is a 450+ page book footnoted like crazy on why calories in/calories out is a meaningless equation in terms of obesity control. The latter is a slimmed down version which is much more readable. The idea is that yes, obese people take in more calories than they expend, but that both calories in and calories out are both symptoms of an underlying problem, which is overproduction of insulin. Insulin drives the storage of fat in fat cells, which prevents the nutrients you eat from being utilized by lean body mass (aka muscles, organs, etc.). When the lean body mass doesn't get enough nutrients, the body kicks up the hunger pangs and slows down it's energy output (aka..you're hungrier and have less energy). The basic idea is that the fat accumulation drives us to eat more and move less, not the other way around. We can theoretically ignore these hunger/low energy symptoms, and we'll still lose weight, but studies have shown that most people are unable to do this, and are much more successful on a low-carb insulin-controlled approach.

Books linked here: http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/140003…

and

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Dstripboo…

 
Plaxico Burress:
I don't know how this hasn't gotten mentioned, but you guys who keep mentioning "Calories In v.s. Calories Out" should really take a look at "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes. The former is a 450+ page book footnoted like crazy on why calories in/calories out is a meaningless equation in terms of obesity control. The latter is a slimmed down version which is much more readable.

This x1000. Just read the "Why We Get Fat" book and it completely transformed how I look at food and obesity. All this "fat is the result of overeating and not exercising enough" gospel is complete bullshit.

 

There is no excuse for being fat. It might not necessarily reflect on your character or work ethic, etc., but people have a right to judge you for it. Many alcoholics might be genetically predisposed to drinking, but this does not give alcoholics an excuse. Instead, society treats alcoholism as a problem -not a matter of genetic determinism. Whats the difference between having one more burger and having one more shot at the bar? I don't see much of one, yet we only see apologists for the obese. Lastly, the % of people who would truly be fat because their bodies stores all of the food they eat rather than committing it to energy is very small. It's hard to gain more than you put in.

 
Salphabeta:
There is no excuse for being fat. It might not necessarily reflect on your character or work ethic, etc., but people have a right to judge you for it. Many alcoholics might be genetically predisposed to drinking, but this does not give alcoholics an excuse. Instead, society treats alcoholism as a problem -not a matter of genetic determinism. Whats the difference between having one more burger and having one more shot at the bar? I don't see much of one, yet we only see apologists for the obese. Lastly, the % of people who would truly be fat because their bodies stores all of the food they eat rather than committing it to energy is very small. It's hard to gain more than you put in.

Well hold on a second. Saying "it's hard to gain more than you put on" is grossly ignorant. We humans are programmed to eat as much sugary food as possible, and the vast majority of us who keep weight gain at bay do so through exercise and consciously watching our weight, especially as we get older. And as far as the % of people whose bodies have insulin resistance, they get that way because of diet composition. The U.S. has villified good fats and has made out carbohydrates as the macronutrient we should be eating the most of, resulting in a diet that has far, far too much sugar in it. It is this diet composition that leads to the insulin problem because many carbohydrates trigger insulin responses without promoting a feeling of fullness, and so the insulin response gets triggered, the person feels hungry again, and so they keep eating. This eventually results in diabetes. As I've said before, this doesn't excuse weight gain. But we live in a culture that's conducive to it in it's approach to eating (get your 12 servings of bread, etc). A big mistake is the thinking that a calorie is a calorie, regardless of its source A calorie is NOT a calorie - a calorie from string cheese is not the same as a calorie from a donut. The donut calorie doesn't fill you up, gets your blood sugar sky high, and then crashes it when the insulin is pumped in and overcompensates, which makes you want another donut when the person who ate the string cheese feels perfectly fine. This leads to weight gain if the person follows his or her own biological markers like hunger, which is what we've done for thousands of years without weight gain because food wasn't readily available. This doesn't excuse not watching your weight, but you have to realize that for most of human history we didn't really need to watch our weight, and as you can see by the millions of fatties in the U.S., we're not very good as managing our own food supply when there's an infinite amount of it.

We don't only have apologists for the obese. If an alcoholic isn't drunk, he or she won't get stared at. If they can hide it during their interview, they won't not get the job because of it. Now I've said this before, I agree with making weight an issue during applications. But obesity is a very visible (ha) problem, whereas sometimes, alcoholism isn't, so it's not fair to say that we look down on alcoholics but not the obese. Again, there isn't an excuse for being fat, but things we do and so-called nutrition experts tell us to do can lead us down a slippery slope that results in a much more complicated issue than "Calories in > calories out" would make it seem.

 

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