2014 P&Q Ranking is out
http://poetsandquants.com/2014/11/26/poetsquants-2014-best-business-sch…
Thoughts? GSB taking over the one spot for the first time over HBS is interesting...
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Interesting how big the gap between Booth and CBS is. Further confirms the view of many that Booth has easily eclipsed CBS and is very close to Wharton.
Just curious why you are so obsessed with Booth beating CBS?
Don't know why they released this before the new USNews came out, when its now 35% of their ranking.
Also has anyone ever seen a simple ranking that takes just the important quantitative factors into account? Basically, average starting salary, average additional comp, percent accepting offers at graduation / 3 months out, and maybe a qualitative measure like percent going to elite employers (MBB, Google, GS/MS, etc).
Forbes's ranking is basically just an ROI calc.
FT's ranking isn't far off. It highly indexes on ROI and employment stats, with some weird stuff that changes year-to-year for good measure.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/5728ac98-7c7f-11e3-b514-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3KfS4KhCA
More generally, I'm glad to see so few posts hear. There is already a ranking battle raging a few threads over.
stayclassy
rankings are there to generate page views. everyone knows its h/s -- w -- booth/cbs/kellogg/sloan -- haas/tuck. rankings within tiers really don't matter.
Nah, Booth is in a tier along with wharton. CBS is barely top 10 now.
I don't really like ROI since it penalizes schools for taking students with high pre-mba salaries. I'd prefer they just go off post-mba salary, perhaps subtracting out average yearly loan payment (pre-tax).
Surprised at the big hit Johnson took. Always thought that it was more or less SOM's equal.
No, Johnson is pretty weak. Yale SOM has good momentum under Dean Snyder, and they have a new sick building, but it remains to be seen whether they can crack the top 10. People have been talking about SOM's rise for a while, but it hasn't quite materialized yet.
Johnson is not in the same tier as SOM
Booth is in the same tier as W? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You can laugh all you want. Booth's meteoric rise has not gone unnoticed. I know a lot of finance people who turned down Wharton for Booth. Very few turn down Booth for CBS.
Booth is great. But it's not W. now or in the near future.
Your comments are hilarious and unfounded....get a life.
A question to everyone...
How important are these rankings to those who have went to the school and moved on?
For example, Yale jumped 5 spots.
Are people that graduated from Yale more excited, or discussing the rankings?
Or is this primarily for people going INTO graduate school?
I thought NYU would be ranked a lot higher
NYU is one of the most overrated b-schools in the world along with LBS. Not surprised by this at all. For finance, it can't even come close to the M7+tuck, and in consulting it loses out to fuqua/ross/darden. And its presence in tech and startups is virtually non-existent.
Stern is a decent school, but I have not met a single person who enjoyed going there. It was to check a box versus the experience of the other top ten schools.
B-school is the inverse of undergrad: the better the school, the more enjoyable the experience is.
Stern has a GMAT average of 710
That's pretty solid
Stern sucks. It's like a mechanical conveyor belt. Looking at the caliber of students on LinkedIn IG is clear that both LBS and Insead are the same. Non- US B Schools suck because you to a top ranked B School for that all American B school experience. You can't get that at European schools filled with Indian engineers. Same argument can be made for Stern and Columbia - you don't really get that American atmosphere because they are too urban with no sense of community and like LBS/Insead are filled with low caliber Latins. ( Nothing I hate in the world more than a lisp!). Ever wonder why loyalty to your alma mater is an uniquely American phenomenon - it's because of the campus experience. Stern/Columbia/LBS/Insead don't have that going for them. You just have to talk to a student of one of these schools to gauge their enthusiasm, which is basically zero.
You could make an argument that Oxford and Cambridge provide that campus atmosphere - but their rankings are abysmal.
Lol on the Yale/Jesus comment.
Lol on the comment about Stern's GMAT average. Clown! I would attend Darren/Fuqua any day over Stern.
Also, I am convinced that Brady is right about Booth - I mean he attends Wharton. At least the is no conflict of interest in what he's saying about Booth.
Agreed. I seriously looked at Stern, LBS, and INSEAD. I visited Stern and was horrified by what I saw. Basically no campus culture or life, students had an inferiority complex the size of Jupiter, no cohesive school culture, and the thought of being a second-class citizen in NYC where you are surrounded by alums of much more prestigious b-schools was a deal breaker for me.
LBS and INSEAD intrigued me, but both schools' job placements in finance were quite mediocre. I was also unimpressed with the student caliber. And no fucking way I'm living in one of the world's most expensive cities to attend a b-school filled with people who would kill their parents to attend a MBA business schools ">M7.
CBS has the weakest community, campus life, and alumni loyalty amongst any MBA business schools ">M7. Ask a CBS alum what they thought of the school and they will reply nonchalantly, "It was good." Ask a HBS alum about their experience, and the reaction is so passionate and effusive that you know they aren't faking it.
Agreed with this, I think CBS is still far ahead of Stern in terms of culture (if that isn't an indictment of the latter I don't know what is), and they are trying to address this, but there is little hope of it approaching any of the traditional experience like that of HBS, Kellogg, Tuck, Sloan, etc. or even that of other urban programmes like Wharton and Booth.
I'm always surprised by these rankings and how much attention they get. At the end of the day I don't think anyone really cares, because the majority of people will apply to multiply schools anyway and see where they get in.
Plus it doesn't matter if Harvard drops fifty places in one year, they still will be perceived as the best business school in the world by the majority and that's what usually matters.
OK guys...since I'm new here...let me have the final say in rankings. Doesn't matter what magazine publishes what ranking and how they do it...
US: Harvard, Stanford and Wharton Rest of world: INSEAD and London
In no particular order! These 5 schools are top - no matter what your background or your goals. You want to go into Finance - Wharton and London! Entrepreneurship - Harvard and Stanford! Consulting - INSEAD and London! Don't let the rankings tell you otherwise. Tech - Stanford! Consumer goods - Wharton! "I just wanna be a beast" - Harvard.
The rest of the schools are 2nd tier. I know Booth has been making a lot of noise, especially in the finance field, but it does not come close to what Wharton offers!
Prove me wrong @#$#@!
Hilariously wrong.
INSEAD is only good if you are being sponsored by a company in Europe. This is why INSEAD has great placement into MBB and PE in Europe. For those looking to break in, they lose out to MBA business schools ">M7 consistently.
LBS has suffered a lot due to the weak European economy and the London finance job market being horrendous. Even in London, MBA business schools ">M7 beats out LBS for the finance jobs.
In 5 years, the new ordering will be HBS/Stanford/Booth. CBS will be around 12-15.
Are you saying it's hilariously wrong that you don't need mba for ibd associate position? I guess tbf virtually all the ibd associates I've seen ono linkedin were direct promotes or people who transitioned from big 4. Few examples of other industries to ibd.
Surely if you want to work in Europe it's best to stay close to the place where you want to work? Or are you saying someone is better off going to Duke etc doing SA in USA then trying to somehow FT into Europe with no contacts ? Rmb I'm talking about euro citizens with no american Visa
Brady4MVP rankings, 2019:
You guys say lbs insead are over rated and judge and said are shit. But what other mba options are there for a European wanting to work in Europe. Although it seems to me more and more that you don't need mba for ibd associate position....but there do seem to be some interesting Corp roles out there for post mba
Another point on CBS. Glenn Hubbard has done a terrible job as dean. The guy doesn't even want the job; he's just biding his time until a Republican wins the White House, so he can get a high profile gig. Hubbard has not properly positioned the school for the new landscape, nor has he leveraged the school's strengths. Meanwhile, Snyder revolutionized Chicago Booth and put it on the trajectory to become the best school after HBS and Stanford. Leadership matters. CBS will pay the price for years to come.
Everything mbavsmfin says is personal opinion about a school that he doesn't even go to. All he does is post 24/7 on some anonymous forum about why CBS is a terrible school. Get a life.
@"Going Concern" is this you? or possibly @"adapt or die"t
Jeez this thread reeks of insecurity. Go where you're going to have the most fun, get the best education and get the best job. Is it that hard?
Ironic username
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