30 and Ready to Swtich Careers

Hi guys,

I'm almost 30 (in 6 months) and am looking to switch careers. I have been a software engineer with a large company for for the past 5 1/2 years and based on my interests I have decided that Investment Baking is the right choice for me. I have been passionate about it for a very long time and finally decided that its time for a move. I do have a Masters in Computer Science along with my Bachelors as well.

So here are my questions:

  1. Am I too old being 30 today to get into an MBA program of my dreams? (I'll probably be admitted for Fall 2012 and then graduate May 2014) - Ill be 32 then. (assuming i Start applying now).

  2. Considering my degree I'm probably looking at a new associate position somewhere after I graduate. What are my chances on landing a job like that? Honestly my goal is to work with GS or JP Morgan - any other companies out there?

  3. Do I need an MBA? if IB is what I want to do? Should I start as some junior member - maybe quant analyst, developer in the finance sector etc. and maybe grow up the ranks. Can I get there without an MBA?

  4. Any opinions on hedge fund careers? What are my possibilities there?

Thanks everyone in advance.

Kunal

 

I knew a 30 year old guy, who was previously an accountant and had no banking experience. He was attending a top 10 MBA program and was doing his Summer Associate/MBA internship gig in IB. I personally don't think you're too old because I've seen this guy do it.

With that said, I don't think you have a shot without getting into a top b-school. Odds are you won't get in at a junior level and you probably won't get a pre-MBA associate role without any previous banking experience.

Not sure if others will agree with me.

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Agree that MBA would make your way in much easier; the only way I can see you get interviews now is via network. Even though it's probably quite a long shot ask friends in the industry (or ask friends to ask friends...) to refer you internally for interviews now. You'd need to very well prepare informational chats with those people likely to recommend you in order to convince that once you get to formal interviews you really impress. The info provided on this website is the best on the internet to set you up well for interviews.

To be on the safe side, you really want to get going on MBA apps too.

Just two questions: 1.. What was gpa? 2. Are you sure you want to commit to the lifestyle that comes with Investment Bakery?

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

 

Dude, don't be so lazy. Use the search function, there are years of questions just like yours answered in great detail.

Long story short, anyone with a CS background (especially with an advanced degree) is better suited towards trading. Just use the search function to find the best prop shops and hit up their career pages. 5+ years as a software engineer with an advanced degree should get you some traction provided you know how to write a cover letter and are not socially retarded.

 
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MBA is essentially your only entry point into IB. Making the switch to IBD with zero exp is next to impossible. (assuming you are indeed talking about the Investment Banking Dept, and not the looser description of "working for an Investment Bank" which includes S&T, Research, etc)

Before we even start, you need to be able to answer the following questions:

1) What does the Investment Banking Department do? 2) What does an Associate in IBD do on a day-to-day basis?

If you can't answer those questions, you are hopeless. Beyond hopeless. To be honest your post screams of having no-clue, although granted I am making that assumption based on limited data.

Age is potentially a factor. While it can be done, IBD is potentially age-sensitive; more so than trading or research which have a less mapped-out career path.

Biggest factor is being a career switcher you are faced with challenging odds. Even from a top school, banking recruiting is down and you will be competing against highly qualified guys with experience. Going to a top school is important as banks really only recruit from a select group of schools at the MBA level. CS background is a plus but you may wish to consider S&T or Research as they will offer better odds for the career switcher (ie: your background will be relevant and possibly considered a plus).

 

30 is not too old to apply for a top tier MBA, but I wouldn't apply to Harvard/Stanford since they are trending young. Lateralling to IB is tough, but the MBA can make it easier and put you on a level playing field.

 

Here is a summary of what you will find if you do a search:

A. In order to switch into banking, you will need an MBA. You will start off as an associate, just like everyone else. Unless you think you have something of considerable value to add to the bank and jump to VP, but without serious industry contacts or your own personal trillion dollar balance sheet, this is very unlikely to be the case. MBA's are for career switchers like yourself, and you are definitely not too old to get an MBA. You will of course, need to attend a school that the banks you mentioned (like GS or JPM) recruit from. Look at Dartmouth (Tuck) or some of its peers for the idea of the school type which will recruit you. Banking isn't really a meritocratic industry, but instead they just want smart, hardworking associates (they basically use admissions to top schools as a screening process, and not really because they care that you have an education) to slave away for a few years until they are old enough to pitch to clients.

In order to get an MBA at a top school, you'll need to "craft a story", as to why you'd want to switch into IB. Thus, ask yourself now, do you really want to work in IB? Do you really want to slave away in an industry which is hated by everyone in America, and is likely (although I'll get shit from WSO for this) to be automated/outsourced anyway? Are you married or do you have a family? Are you ready to put a significant strain on your relationships if that is the case? Sure, you can make a lot of money in banking, but will you really be happier than you are at your current job? If this is the case, you'll need to find a way to tailor your story so that you can convince adcoms at top schools that you need their degree in order to pursue your "dream".

B. The better option for you might be to search for a quant/developer/trader type role. I don't know which languages you know but this area is much more meritocratic, and people will look at your resume if you have the experience they need. Check online, or if you can find a way to access a bloomberg terminal, use the bloomberg job search function, to find a gig.

Again, this is all from threads I've read on this site (I've bookmarked a few good ones on my profile).

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