Alternative career path (options) to Investment Banking
So here I am - 8 months of toiling away coming from a Non Target. I had 3 interviews for IB, and managed to get to Superdays on all 3 occasions but was unable to close the deal. So for all my efforts in networking with alumni and cold-calling, I have nothing to show except a Full time offer in the Finance division at a BB(Middle office) which I was able to secure with minimum efforts.
Currently, I am still applying to Boutiques and continue to fight, but wish to spread my net wider such that alteast I can get a related job to Investment Banking that would enable to gain a good set of transferable skills down the road and hopefully break in as Associate from a top 10 MBA program (already took my GMAT and got 715). However I don't plan to do MBA without atleast 3 years of work experience so besides the finance job I currently have, I was wondering what my best options are. I appreciate your helpful advice, especially all those successful career changers who transitioned into IB, please make your presence felt and lift my spirits with a few words of wisdom.
I feel your pain man. I'm also at a non-target and i was so desperate, i went the Big 4 route. :(
Are you a senior?
Either way, go to the BB and prove yourself and network as much as possible... anything is possible with hard work and results.
With a 715 on the GMAT, I wouldn't count on a top-10 MBA down the road. Maybe a top 13.5 program.
Yes, I am a senior and I have 3 months before I start work to decide what to do in terms of alternative options to my current situation.
Have you checked out any Asset Management type roles? Or consulting roles? Both lucrative and good experience heading into a possible MBA then IB? I don't know, just tossing ideas out there.
Fund of funds may help. Asser management. Continue to network
Big 4 TAS?
Alternative path to banking & consulting (Originally Posted: 02/15/2010)
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Alternative Path into IB: Need Advice! (Originally Posted: 10/15/2009)
hey all, Im quite new to this forum
Im currently in my final year in a top canadian school (which doesn't say much when stacked up against top american school) majoring in finance.
So my goal is to eventually get into IB, but having difficulty going directly into it
so im working on my plan B which is : -to write the level 1 CFA this Dec (which i intended to do regardless) -go back to asia and start out as an accountant in a big 4 for 2 years -planning to sit in the exam and write my US CPA next year before i start working in asia
-unfortunately theres military service for a year, after that i intend to either apply straight to one of the top US target school to get my MBA and go into IB
-or stay for another year or two in either audit or coporate finance of the big 4 firm... or better get a job at a BB in asia and eventually go back to school.
So i was wondering how feasible the plan is, talking to several folks working in IB, accounting fundamental is quite important especially in M&A. so im wondering if the path to start as an accounting+cpa+CFA and get more education will lead my to the right path.
I know all the education and designation doesn't guarantee anythin, but it opens doors. i expect to finish w a cgpa of around 3.4/4.0 do u guys think 2, or 3 years of exp will b enough to apply to say NYU or Columbia? (given strong reference letter and strong gmat score)
appreciate the help! thankx!
Regarding your shot at NYU and Columbia, that will depend on the quality of your experience after 2-3 years. After 3 years, assuming you've got some strong ECs and some solid work experience (good letters, showing personal and professional growth, some leadership experience, etc), you should be on the right path. Considering, however, your GPA is a 3.4, which although it is not a bad GPA by any means, you will need to nail the GMAT as Columbia and NYU as both quant whores (they like high GPAs and high GMATs). By high GMAT, I don't mean a 790, but something north of 700, or 710 would definitely help your cause and show the schools that you can handle the work, etc. Then again, this is several years and a standardized exam score away - so take it with a grain of salt, and, for now, just focus on landing at a job that interests you, or even try to network your way into an IB boutique.
Regarding breaking into banking, it can absolutely be done if you attend a strong U.S. B school - again, the trick will be networking, reaching out to alumni, and really showcasing your interest in the field, as well as your accounting background, as accounting is definitely a useful skill set to have in IB.
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Best Industries to go with eventual goal of getting in IB? (Private Equity, Equity Research, etc) (Originally Posted: 10/27/2017)
I'm seriously pursuing a career in IB. 23 yrs old from Asia Pacific, 2 years work experience, 1 yr as manager / forex trader.
Currently studying Financial Modeling and making pitchbooks. The company I worked for went bust so I'm now unemployed.
I know people in IB but if there are no immediate/near term openings or opportunities, I can't be a sitting duck so I need to get another job in Finance, gotta pay bills.
Given that, what would be the second best options from IB in the hopes that I can move in to IB once there's a chance? I'm thinking in order of most relevant to least - 1 Private Equity, 2 Consulting, 3 Equity Research, 4 Sales and Trading, 5 Commercial Banking, 6 corporate finance.
I know it's less difficult to move in from IB to any of these industries, and that the opposite is more challenging, but I'm just laying out my game plan from several angles here.
Any thoughts, experiences, words of wisdom?
Thanks!
I think you should consider that these are all equally competitive fields in their own way. One good example, you're doing yourself a disservice by placing corporate finance so low on your list of priorities considering the importance of corporate development on the internal M&A process.
They're all competitive no doubt, but I listed them based on what I think would be most "related" to IB but then again I'm probably wrong like with what you mentioned on Corp. Finance. That's a good one and I'll definitely take it into account.
I guess a better question would be, which of these industries do you have a "higher" chance of getting into IB? Or how would you rank it from most related to IB to least? Thanks brah!
I would say that each of the suggested "stepping stone" paths have their specific strengths and weaknesses. I am no expert in any way so take this all with a grain of salt.
Private Equity: There are several "technical" similarities between PE and IB at a junior level, however the overall thought process and business decision making skills are quite different. In addition, IB is transactional and always selling ideas whereas in PE you are being sold ideas and continuously looking at investment opportunities to deploy the funds money into. Focusing at a junior level, it should be less onerous to make the leap. Also the connections you build with IB guys pitching you will also be helpful in your pursuit to the IB side. Lastly, I would expect that making a jump into PE vs. IB from your current background might be even harder as many folks use IB as a “stepping stone” to make it into PE.
corporate finance: Assuming you are referring to a corporate development role / strategy group at a company, I would maybe rank this top 3. But this can depend. I hate to say it, but the easiest path is to work for a client of the bank in their corp dev team because, well, being on the client side sometimes has its advantages. As a corp dev employee, you would have probably been pitched to several times by IB guys and you would effectively have met many of the bankers covering your company. In addition, you would work on the companies operating model, with IBs, and work on any transactions (M&A / capital financing) that your firm undertakes. This would be a solid way both on the networking front and on the experience front. Again, I am talking at a junior level.
Consulting: This can depend on which type of consulting assignments you've previously been staffed on and how your experience may align with the specific IB group you are looking to get into. Again, the skill set at the junior level may be easily transferable (excel and powerpoint), but the breadth of your experience is what will matter most. Also depending on the sector you worked on primarily will help leverage you into the same industry group in IB (pharma/oil/mining etc.).
Equity Research: This lateral move can be made and have seen it multiple times. This would also be highly dependent on the technical expertise you gained from a specific segment you may have covered on the ER side. For example, groups such as Mining/Oil/Gas/Pharma are very different and arguably more complex than other industry groups with specific and complex workings in their modeling. If you come from an ER background covering a particular industry, you would have a stronger selling point to making the leap and will effectively climb up the curve much quicker than someone who has to learn all the industry specific nuances from scratch. I've seen my friends go from Pharma / Oil & Gas ER to IB without losing a year at a junior level, so it’s doable and maybe a desirable path as you likely won’t be held back. Now if you try to go into a completely different IB group (M&A/DCM/different industry), I probably wouldn’t recommend this route.
Commercial / Corporate Banking: Similarly to ER, if you work in a specific industry group, lateralling over to the IB side in the same industry would make the transition easier to sell but is still challenging. Difference is, you know the industry, you know the clients and you have a better understanding of what to look for so you just need to prove your selling and strong analytical and modelling skills (not much DCF/M&A modelling in com/corp banking). But you certainly will have an edge over candidates lacking the industry specific knowledge. As is with ER, if you try to go into a completely different IB group, I wouldn’t recommend this path at all.
Sales & Trading: Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see this happen too much (other than summer positions in undergrad). In your case specifically, you are 23 years old and I would assume that you like to work somewhere that you could get some of the experience accounted for in IB. I honestly can’t see an M&A/Product/Industry group counting your S&T stint as “relevant” thus resulting in you starting as a first year analyst (which is not a big deal but I would assume it is less desired at age 25+). Excel skills would be decent, Bloomberg is all you end up knowing and you likely won’t use that as much in IB as you would FactSet/CapIQ. Also your hours will vary substantially and selling yourself in the interview that you want to go from working 9 hour days with a nice pay to slaving 15 hour days/100 hour weeks might be challenging. Again, my opinion is that it’s harder. Period.
Hope this helps you out and if you have any more questions, feel free to send me a message.
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