AM vs. IB?

I'm a rising junior at a top 25 university, but non-target. I'm currently interning with the AM group of a bulge bracket investment bank and recently received a return offer. I've absolutely loved my summer, my team, and everything that I have learned. However, I have always planned on doing investment banking right after undergrad, so I was planning on going through recruiting in the fall. Am I stupid for passing up on the AM offer? I love the buy side, don't get me wrong - I can really see myself in AM in the future. But I think I would regret not pursuing IB out of college.

 

First and foremost, congrats on getting an offer in an incredibly competitive industry (on top of it being a tough environment)! Now onto the substance of your post.

  1. Are you stupid for passing up on the AM offer? In a word, yes, but I would caveat that my answer is biased as I am from an ER / AM background. In focusing solely on the economic merits of your decision (personal preferences can only be decided by you), it would be an irrational decision to give up your AM offer in order to pursue an IBD offer. To support this position, I would first point you to unstable industry dynamics and an unhealthy environment brought about by regulation and overall de-risking of finance. While no one knows where this will end up, there is likely further room to fall in the interim before things get better (check out how universal model banks are doing in Europe if you don't believe me). As it relates to your situation, this likely means that the number of positions will either remain flat or shrink (making it harder for you to get in, in the first place) and that above average volatility may be seen (i.e. layoffs abound). Secondly, I would point you to the ever looming threat that we've come to the end of the M&A cycle. While it's impossible to predict with any degree of certainty when this will happen, I believe it is a valid concern for you to consider given that investment banks seem to have taken to the habit of laying off even first year analysts who are otherwise average in an effort to contain costs.

With these two factors in mind, I would counsel you to weigh the value of the bird in hand versus any number of them in the bush as even if you get what you want (an IBD gig), it may not stay in your hand.

In contrast, AM, rightfully or wrongfully, appears to be a somewhat more stable field given that they simply clip a percentage of AUM to get paid. Obviously in a massive downturn, the industry will experience outflows, but so long as your group is able to go down less than the overall market (a hard task as you are probably well aware of) you will have a 4 or 5 star Morningstar rating which should stem the degree of outflows. If the funds you worked on were largely 1 or 2 star funds....maybe the IBD thing is worth considering.

I've obviously ignored a lot of nuances in comparing the AM and IBD industries, but I'm happy to go into detail on anything else you may want my opinion on.

  1. You think you would regret not pursuing IBD out of college. With regards to this, I'm really curious where you developed this interest. This is not meant to be condescending, but I'm just curious how a ~20 year old who hasn't worked in IBD knows that they would want to pursue IBD. If relatives or close friends come from the business it totally makes sense, but if the interest stems out of reading misguided posts by equally ignorant college kids (not dissimilar to some on this website), I would advise you to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself if you REALLY want to do IBD. If not, this should be something to weigh against the desire to do IBD to the exclusion of AM.

Bottom Line: It's your life, so live in whatever way gives you the greatest happiness over the long run. However, based solely on the information provided above with no further data regarding your circumstances, to turn down the AM job in favor of IBD appears to be irrational - though this conclusion could change due to any number of reasonable, unforeseen factors on my part.

 

Congrats on the offer man. A little off topic, but I wanted to know what are the chances of getting a FT AM offer from a BB without prior AM internship experience? I know the deal for IBD as that has been widely covered, but am genuinely unfamiliar with AM FT requirements. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks for your input! I guess I'm split between a corporate finance career path and Asset Management at this point. I would eventually like to move towards PE and that's why I'm deciding if it is worth considering M&A at DB over front office BR.

 

If your goal is PE as you stated, take the IB offer. You could always move from IB to AM of you work for it. You could do the reverse as well, but that would be much more difficult. of you know for certain you want to do AM or don't want to put in the IB hours, take BlackRock, though I hear the culture at BlackRock can be pretty damn terrible as well for an AM.

 

AM 100%

"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
 
Best Response

Investment management is much harder to get into. There are significantly fewer spots especially for undergrads. That being said, IBD is a great training ground that gives you plenty of career flexibility down the road. It also pays better, at least initially, than IM.

For what its worth, I interned at a BB investment bank in undergrad and have done IM ever since, including post MBA. I have never seen anybody from IM try to move into IBD. I have seen plenty of people from IBD that want to get into IM.

 

Incidunt nihil aut quis a. Dolorem omnis repudiandae dolores ratione placeat. Provident atque similique aut in. Distinctio eum pariatur et incidunt. Architecto veritatis pariatur voluptatem.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (145) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
3
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
4
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
5
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
6
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
7
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
8
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
9
Jamoldo's picture
Jamoldo
98.8
10
bolo up's picture
bolo up
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”