Q&A: First Year Wharton MBA

I hosted a WSO webinar (link here) on Thursday, December 3rd about my application to Wharton and how I got in, despite having a low gmat score (only 10% of admitted students had a GMAT under 700, and mine was definitely nowhere near that). I'll be talking about the specific things I did in my application in that webinar. However, I figured to have an open ended thread for anyone with any questions about my experience thusfar, specific classes, professors, extra curricular activities, the culture, etc. Figure I can clear a lot of stuff up and give very specific details into my experience at Wharton thusfar. My goal is for you to know crystal clear what the experience is, as if you were an insider. As if you were a student already. When I applied to Wharton I had a few friends there, but one in particular who answered a million question of mine. I felt like a student already with all the inside knowledge by the time of my group interview. It really made a difference, and I hope to be that person for all of you who are applying. Profile: +Strategy consultant at IBM, worked with several Fortune 500 clients. +Internal strategy and venture capital at IBM afterward. +25, male, born in the US. +Self funding my MBA through successful stock investments (TSLA, AAL, HIMX, etc) Mod Note (Andy) - I talked to Xepa and he's still able to take questions (this Q&A originally went up 12/2015)

 
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If your profile isn't considered competitive by Wharton, how did you paint your story to Adcoms to gain admission? Are you a URM?

Will answer this more in detail during the webinar, but long story short, I did a lot of research into why I wanted an MBA and how Wharton very specifically fit into my future goals. Very, very specifically with a stupid amount of detail.

 

Sorry, but the obvious first question is - What is your race/ethnicity?

I can definitely say you are not Asian American. No way an Asian American would get into Wharton with a subpar gmat score.

That is the reality of liberal America for Asian Americans. We are allowed to be LEGALLY discriminated against based on our race. I'm sure Brady will chime in with one of his accounts, but as an Asian American male, I will completely agree with what he is going to write.

I am going to guess that you are a Navajo :)

 
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Sorry, but the obvious first question is - What is your race/ethnicity?

I can definitely say you are not Asian American. No way an Asian American would get into Wharton with a subpar gmat score.

That is the reality of liberal America for Asian Americans. We are allowed to be LEGALLY discriminated against based on our race. I'm sure Brady will chime in with one of his accounts, but as an Asian American male, I will completely agree with what he is going to write.

I am going to guess that you are a Navajo :)

I'm mostly Chinese, try again lol.

And let's get off the bitter soap box. This thread is about the student life, classes, Wharton's competitive edges, what I perceive to be our strengths. Things that I wouldn't have known if I didn't have one of my best friends at the school and even things I didn't know until I became a student here.

So, for example...at Wharton there are classes you can take with grad students at different schools and even undergrads. Those are the elective classes, not your required courses. Someone in another thread asked if it was humiliating (which actually inspired me to create this thread) to which, my response is, naw. MBAs generally don't care about grades as much since we have grade non-disclosure. Personally? I try, and I love how our core classes have so many office hours with TAs (like 8 hours a week worth of TA sessions available). But naw, most of my friends in those classes liked working with undergrads. Hell, I've done and won competitions with undergrads as my teammates.

 
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Sorry, but the obvious first question is - What is your race/ethnicity?I can definitely say you are not Asian American. No way an Asian American would get into Wharton with a subpar gmat score.That is the reality of liberal America for Asian Americans. We are allowed to be LEGALLY discriminated against based on our race. I'm sure Brady will chime in with one of his accounts, but as an Asian American male, I will completely agree with what he is going to write.I am going to guess that you are a Navajo :)

I'm mostly Chinese, try again lol.

And let's get off the bitter soap box. This thread is about the student life, classes, Wharton's competitive edges, what I perceive to be our strengths. Things that I wouldn't have known if I didn't have one of my best friends at the school and even things I didn't know until I became a student here.

So, for example...at Wharton there are classes you can take with grad students at different schools and even undergrads. Those are the elective classes, not your required courses. Someone in another thread asked if it was humiliating (which actually inspired me to create this thread) to which, my response is, naw. MBAs generally don't care about grades as much since we have grade non-disclosure. Personally? I try, and I love how our core classes have so many office hours with TAs (like 8 hours a week worth of TA sessions available). But naw, most of my friends in those classes liked working with undergrads. Hell, I've done and won competitions with undergrads as my teammates.

"Mostly" Chinese...? What's in the rest?

Anywhos. How are you finding it so far? Is it as competitive/cutthroat as they say?

 

You mentioned that you perceived the key to your admission was the amount of research into why an MBA and how Wharton specifically fit into your future goals. Can you please touch on the following:

1) Aside from talking to your friend (who answered a ton of your questions), what avenues did you go through to build on your knowledge of the school (i.e. campus visit, info sessions, etc.)

2) What other schools were you considering and why Wharton? (Extra: which other school's culture was similar to Wharton's, and how were they similar?)

3) What has been your one favorite experience at Wharton so far? What is 1 specific thing you think the Wharton MBA program can improve?

 
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You mentioned that you perceived the key to your admission was the amount of research into why an MBA and how Wharton specifically fit into your future goals. Can you please touch on the following:

1) Aside from talking to your friend (who answered a ton of your questions), what avenues did you go through to build on your knowledge of the school (i.e. campus visit, info sessions, etc.)

2) What other schools were you considering and why Wharton? (Extra: which other school's culture was similar to Wharton's, and how were they similar?)

3) What has been your one favorite experience at Wharton so far? What is 1 specific thing you think the Wharton MBA program can improve?

1 + 2 I will cover in the webinar. Trying to keep that good content private for my homeboy Patrick.

3: My favorite thing at Wharton has been....the level of free swag. No really, this is what makes an ivy league different than my state school! Forget free pens, employers give phone chargers, USBs, plushies (YES), metal coffee mugs, and other stuff! That's the actual answer LOL. Yes I'm lame.

Uhhh...as for a more appropriate response, I'd say the the amount of resources available. It's absurd. There's easily over 12+ business plan / entrepreneurship / innovation competitions on campus. There's so many groups you can be involved with, it's overwhelming. I've literally missed deadlines to apply for things because there's too much. Can't keep up with all the email list servs going on. When they talk about the 2 year networking experience at an MBA, they really mean it. One time I was approached by someone for a medical startup competition with a deadline in two days, and in that time our team applied to three different competitions too. Just two days ago we didn't even have a team hahaha. I'm now a finalists for two of those competitions now.

In terms of what can be improved, I wish our classes would have more frequent quizzes or some way to measure in class performance. We have this system where you download a Wharton app to your phone to check into class, and lots of students check in from inside the building but don't even go to class. It's pretty shameful and discouraging for someone like me who actually tries to study (although my grades suck).

And to be fair, I am part Spanish (couldn't help with my initial response, the troll potential was too strong haha), but if you look at my face I clearly don't fit in a brochure (I don't look Chinese either, I just look weird). And if someone wants to take someones' acceptance into race, then so be it. You still need to be qualified. Actually, in our accepted class this year there's actually a lot less black people, presumably because there weren't as many who were qualified. It's really not a quota thing. Anyways, kind of done answering these questions.

 

snakeoil is so fuckin predictable, half your posts are whining about affirmative action, such a tool. So glad you aren't black/Hispanic so we can continue without him and Brady hijacking this thread into some anti affirmative action discussion. Moving on, what are your post MBA career goals.

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Whats the social scene like? Also do you plan on going to the san fran program in the 2nd year?

I've heard this phrase said multiple times at Wharton by classmates. "Everyone feels like they're an introvert at Wharton." I think...the most concrete way to demonstrate this is....like, every night, 7 nights of the week, people post stupid pictures of them drunk and making silly poses on GroupMe during the first two months of the year (basically until White Party, where things tone down after that point). You always feel like there's something happening. Since like 90% of MBAs live at Rittenhouse Square (it's like a 3 by 3 block area near campus), people literally party hop every night. There are nights where I've been to like 2 birthday parties and another random party in the same night. It's nuts. I stopped that after preterm to focus on academics, but many continued well until October-ish (when it dies down).

I was going to do Wharton SF, but I became so involved with several things on campus that I don't think I can afford to leave UPenn now. I'm very active and creating new initiatives for several organizations, and might even start my own club. Plus, my GPA is too low to probably qualify anyways :/

 
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I've been looking forward to this webinar for a while. Should be great, I try to watch or attend at least once a week. Are most of the students at wharton interested in IB, consulting, PE, HF, etc?

Overwhelmingly PE. There's so much PE. And an offshoot of PE, impact investing. There's a loooot of impact investing here as well. Consulting? Definitely. The McKinsey info sessions can't even be held in the classroom; it was held at a freaking museum and had like 300+ students show up. It was stupid hahaha.

 

I have a more random question. What's the vibe like at Wharton? Is it a throwback to your undergrad days? Happy hours? Do you guys live on-campus? etc etc

You speak in in varying levels of verbosity.You often adopt the typing quirks of others as you find it boring to settle on styles.
 
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I have a more random question. What's the vibe like at Wharton? Is it a throwback to your undergrad days? Happy hours? Do you guys live on-campus? etc etc

Very outgoing. I think my undergrad at big 10 school was much more active than UPenn, simply because we don't have football. Like...football is fucking gravity hahaha. But there's a lot of frat stuff. Even though I'm a grad student, I see students walking around clearly doing fratty stuff on campus (one time there were people walking around in handcuffs at like midnight, and several of those people were making out in the middle of the street. Kind of hot hahaha. Oh what it's like to be young...)

We have this thing called "Pub" which is an official Wharton weekly happy hour on Thursday afternoons. You pay for a year membership, then there's free beer/food every week. There's themed student organizations that make presentations, host events, have costumes, or do whatever at pub. Since most of our time in class is spent with our 70 student cohort the first semester, pub is the main way for most people to meet the broader 800+ person class (mostly first years are in pub, most second years have already settled down with their own small niches).

Most live in Rittenhouse Square, which is across the bridge from campus in the center of Philadelphia (about a 20 minute walk).

 

Xepa thank you for the AMA and I look forward to your webinar. A few questions:

1.) How would you describe the rigor of your academic courses? Did you feel adequately prepared or did the three-week immersion prepare you for what was to come?

2.) What is your background academically speaking? Did you attend a target university (e.g. Harvard, Yale, UPenn, Michigan)?

3.) What set Wharton apart from other programs you considered? Was it the reputation? Academics? Networking and alumni connections?

Once again thank you and look forward to your response.

 
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@Xepa thank you for the AMA and I look forward to your webinar. A few questions:

1.) How would you describe the rigor of your academic courses? Did you feel adequately prepared or did the three-week immersion prepare you for what was to come?

2.) What is your background academically speaking? Did you attend a target university (e.g. Harvard, Yale, UPenn, Michigan)?

3.) What set Wharton apart from other programs you considered? Was it the reputation? Academics? Networking and alumni connections?

Once again thank you and look forward to your response.

1) In high school I was the guy who studied 3 weeks in advance for a test in AP classes and still got a C. I did all the extra credit to get to a B-, so I'm not the right guy to ask that question hahaha. Clearly I'm struggling academically, which is honestly a little psychologically depressing. With that said, we use the same textbooks as the undergrad freshmen and sophomores, so for most students, if you study you should get a good grade. The undergrads are smarter than the MBAs in my very subjective opinion. I'm friends with several. They're freaks of nature. Can elaborate on this more later.

2) Went to a big 10 school. Honors program, 3.5 GPA. Solid extra curriculars, will go more in depth in my webinar. Not a Rhodes Scholar, or Intel national award winner, or on a "who's who under 21" list or whatever. Just like...a normal WSO monkey. I wrote good essays and made great friends at work who I will go to hell and back for.

3) I was doing entrepreneurship so honestly I only applied to 3 schools lol. Will talk about that more in the webinar. Getting in Wharton was fully, fully unexpected. I still feel like I'm an admissions mistake sometimes in class. But I try to stay positive and give back to the community. It's a big reason why I'm doing this. If I can get in, you can too! No excuses hahahah.

As an entrepreneur, the big thing about Wharton was "if I join 2 startups and they both fail, people still know that I'm a smart guy. I can sell myself because no one knows anything about the companies I work at or whether it's just bullshit on a resume." ALSOOO, I wanted to take a flier on investment management, because my stock investing record is pretty damn good. Just a hail marry.

 
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@Xepa With that said, we use the same textbooks as the undergrad freshmen and sophomores, so for most students, if you study you should get a good grade. The undergrads are smarter than the MBAs in my very subjective opinion. I'm friends with several. They're freaks of nature. Can elaborate on this more later.
Since you offered, mind elaborating on this? Just curious how you feel they differ, and if there's any job overlap/competition between the two.
 

Hey I'm a Round 1 applicant who just interviewed and have a few questions for you!

How is the General Management scene there and placement into top-tier Leadership Development Programs (not finance, and not the huge ones, I'm talking the ones with small class sizes, mentorship, etc.)? I'm personally very interested in this aspect of recruiting and it almost never comes up in these fora. Mad bonus points if you can mention anything regarding agribusiness, energy (oil and gas), or chemicals industries.

And to bring things back more into WSO's bread and butter, how about Consulting? Do you see classmates having a lot of success with MBB recruiting, etc.?

And you say breaking into Investment Management is difficult. Would someone with two levels of the CFA, or even all three under their belts (but no IM experience) be at an advantage in breaking in there? And how is recruiting for Equity Research?

Boucoups bananas in your future, thanks for doing this man.

 
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Hey I'm a Round 1 applicant who just interviewed and have a few questions for you!

How is the General Management scene there and placement into top-tier Leadership Development Programs (not finance, and not the huge ones, I'm talking the ones with small class sizes, mentorship, etc.)? I'm personally very interested in this aspect of recruiting and it almost never comes up in these fora. Mad bonus points if you can mention anything regarding agribusiness, energy (oil and gas), or chemicals industries.

And to bring things back more into WSO's bread and butter, how about Consulting? Do you see classmates having a lot of success with MBB recruiting, etc.?

And you say breaking into Investment Management is difficult. Would someone with two levels of the CFA, or even all three under their belts (but no IM experience) be at an advantage in breaking in there? And how is recruiting for Equity Research?

Boucoups bananas in your future, thanks for doing this man.

Congrats! Hope your TBD went well!

The General Management is FANTASTIC! You know how I can tell what a good, well funded club is like? By the quality of their speakers and their food. 1) They had Chipotle at their speaker meetings. 2) They have fantastic speakers. They're all high quality. I remember they had like C-level execs, and one of their execs was someone at P&G who was in the board meetings directly advising the CEO and a former senior partner at McKinsey.

The agriculture club is great; they gave Indian and Chinese at their last two speaker events (yes, free food literally does dictate my life). One of their speakers was like the DuPont COO I think. And it was a room of 70 people only; you got to talk to him 1-on-1 aftrward. There was an LEK global partner in agriculture. It's very, very strong.

Don't know a lot about energy or chemicals, sorry. I know Dow does a lot of on campus events though.

Soooo many people do consulting. There's a lot of firms beyond MBB. There's literally like a Bain event every week. If any of you are curious, private message me your email and ask for a copy of our consulting club newsletter (with redacted contact information for privacy concerns, of course). I'll forward it to you. The weekly consulting club newsletter is like 1500 words filled with upcoming events on campus. It's comically comprehensive hahaha. Yes, I want to make the Wharton experience as CLEAR and TANGIBLE as possible, so anything I can do to help (as long as I have free time). If I was recruiting aggressively for consulting, I'd be in heaven.

And honestly I can't say what will make you stand out. The most common thing I hear is having PE experience. If you don't have pre-MBA PE experience, it's an uphill battle. For my friends in fixed income, investment banking, etc. etc. That's what they've told me. Now keep in mind I'm a first year so we don't have internship offers yet, but just my initial impression.

Again, I don't think the PEOPLE are cut throat...but they're all just so BAD ASS that like, you're inherently competing against them, so that's what makes it competitive.

 

Thanks for doing this. Curious as to how admissions weighs different aspects of your application. Do you have any insight how they weigh work experience vs. GMAT vs. Undergrad GPA ect. I for example have a subpar GPA and am curious as to how realistic it is to overcome this with a strong GMAT and strong work experience. Also, how many classmates are real estate focus by your estimation?

 

Sorry if this has been asked before, but did you align your curriculum focus with your ideal post-MBA career or with whatever interested you the most?

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing. See my Blog & AMA
 

Hey Xepa,

Thanks so much for doing this! A couple questions for you:

(1) What are the most common pre-MBA jobs at Wharton? Specifically, out of the consulting pool, do most people go directly from their firm to Wharton or do they tend to do something else before going there?

(2) What is the social/public sector scene like at Wharton? How interested are people in long-term careers that combine traditional business knowledge with impact? Is it mostly impact investing (to your point above), or is there more diversity in interests (e.g. work in the White House, strategy for the Gates Foundation)?

 
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Hey Xepa,

Thanks so much for doing this! A couple questions for you:

(1) What are the most common pre-MBA jobs at Wharton? Specifically, out of the consulting pool, do most people go directly from their firm to Wharton or do they tend to do something else before going there?

(2) What is the social/public sector scene like at Wharton? How interested are people in long-term careers that combine traditional business knowledge with impact? Is it mostly impact investing (to your point above), or is there more diversity in interests (e.g. work in the White House, strategy for the Gates Foundation)?

1) There's a good chart on Wharton's admission website that breaks down exact percentages of where people come from. Check it out! :)

2) What I find so, so, so fascinating here that I didn't realize before I became a student was that....Wharton's really good at leveraging its finance expertise into impact investing. There's a strong impact investing scene here, which I find as an incredible change of pace from Wharton's perception as a soul-sucking, amoral pit of hell hahaha. Like, there are so many cool things. I remember there was one posting to be an investment analyst in a new fund being started in Africa this year. So cool.

 

If you're self-funding an MBA through successful investments, why do you bother to get an MBA? Why not just continue investing until you've made enough money to not bother with "prestige" and the banking BS lifestyle?

 
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Can you break down your time spent per week on activities?

Ex: x% studying, x% social, x% clubs, etc.

Thanks for doing this!

Christmas break, have time to do this again :) (keep in mind, this is different for each person, and I'm more academically tilted than most)

September: 20% studying / group meetings, 50% going to club events, 20% social activities, 10% student government

October: 40% studying / group meetings, 30% student government, 10% club events, 20% attending conferences

(after midterms, employers can start reaching out to you. And Marketing class ends, which is an unholy amount of time consumption with weekly team-based cases)

Late October: 40% studying, 20% student government, 5% club events, 35% recruiting events

November: 40% studying, 15% student government, 5% club events, 20% recruiting events, 20% startup competitions

December: 50% studying, 10% student government, 5% club events, 5% recruiting events, 20% startup competitions

 

Excellent thread, Xepa. This is one of the better AMA threads I've seen on WSO.

I'm only six months out of b-school, but some of your comments definitely bring back a lot of memories and made me chuckle. I guess some things never change, such as the social life (although it gets old after the first year), MBB consulting info sessions taking up auditoriums, the difficulty of buyside recruiting, etc. Your wharton undergrad comment was also interesting. I said in another thread that Wharton undergrads are definitely smarter than the MBAs (I actually don't think it's close), and lot of posters thought I was full of shit.

Just out of curiosity, how come you haven't learned DCF and WACC yet? Aren't you taking corporate finance your first term? Also, which hedge funds have done info sessions at Wharton this year? I remember seeing Soros, Elliott, Davidson-Kempner, Appaloosa, and a few others posting jobs on the job board when I was in b-school.

 
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Excellent thread, Xepa. This is one of the better AMA threads I've seen on WSO.

I'm only six months out of b-school, but some of your comments definitely bring back a lot of memories and made me chuckle. I guess some things never change, such as the social life (although it gets old after the first year), MBB consulting info sessions taking up auditoriums, the difficulty of buyside recruiting, etc. Your wharton undergrad comment was also interesting. I said in another thread that Wharton undergrads are definitely smarter than the MBAs (I actually don't think it's close), and lot of posters thought I was full of shit.

Just out of curiosity, how come you haven't learned DCF and WACC yet? Aren't you taking corporate finance your first term? Also, which hedge funds have done info sessions at Wharton this year? I remember seeing Soros, Elliott, Davidson-Kempner, Appaloosa, and a few others posting jobs on the job board when I was in b-school.

Thanks Brady! Yes, I am talking to you all the same way I would talk to a classmate. I'm like not distinguishing or filtering information at all ahhaha. Hopefully this level of detail and candidness gives a super super clear view. Feel free to add me on Facebook through private message as well. I'm totally open.

Ughhhh....so through the Investment Management club I got access to this video tutorial website. I tried to do the APple modeling example, then they told me to do the general modeling course first, then on the general modeling course they told me to take the accounting course first...so I basically spent my Thanksgiving break learning accounting. It was helpful in plugging in 10Qs into an excel spreadsheet to build an income statement, but that basically sucked up most of my break so I barely scratched the modeling section. I'm so stupid.

IDK about companies. Elliott has a December 15th resume drop deadline. The rest I haven't seen. I'm focused on not failing out of Wharton right now and picking second semester classes that will help with that goal LOL. The corp finance class I'm taking second year. I'm afraid of getting a massive LT on it. Can't afford anymore of those :/ sigh....

Wharton undergrads are smarter. Harder working, but I think actually smarter too.

 

A lot of prospective MBA students underestimate the difficulty of getting a good buyside gig coming out of even the best b-schools. If you're not gunning for standard OCR jobs, your success will hinge largely upon your prior experience, network, and luck. The MBA will help in getting you a second look and interviews, but as you said, the competition for those spots is pretty keen. Being out of the workforce for 2 years also hurts; for a lot of funds, they will stick with hiring current working professionals rather than someone who fucked around, drank, and partied for 2 years. My classmates who did get the top IM and HF jobs were the ones who didn't have much of a social life; I barely saw them at parties because they were busting their ass off with classes, stock pitches, networking, investing competitions, etc.

As for Wharton undergrad, in terms of pure brainpower, they are up there just below Harvard, MIT, Caltech. As my accounting professor said, "the undergrads are so much smarter than the MBAs that it's comical."

 
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Excellent thread, Xepa. This is one of the better AMA threads I've seen on WSO.

I'm only six months out of b-school, but some of your comments definitely bring back a lot of memories and made me chuckle. I guess some things never change, such as the social life (although it gets old after the first year), MBB consulting info sessions taking up auditoriums, the difficulty of buyside recruiting, etc. Your wharton undergrad comment was also interesting. I said in another thread that Wharton undergrads are definitely smarter than the MBAs (I actually don't think it's close), and lot of posters thought I was full of shit.

Just out of curiosity, how come you haven't learned DCF and WACC yet? Aren't you taking corporate finance your first term? Also, which hedge funds have done info sessions at Wharton this year? I remember seeing Soros, Elliott, Davidson-Kempner, Appaloosa, and a few others posting jobs on the job board when I was in b-school.

What???

No ranting about how B School is so unfair to us Asian Americans - what happened to you Brady?

I guess I'm going to have to be your rightful successor on these forums.

 
As for Wharton undergrad, in terms of pure brainpower, they are up there just below Harvard, MIT, Caltech. As my accounting professor said, "the undergrads are so much smarter than the MBAs that it's comical."

Still can't get over the fact that you got dinged by Wharton?

 

Xepa Great webinar yesterday. What were your plans about the powerpoints you had mentioned? Maybe you could just copy and paste them on here and put Xepa where your real name was. Also, I think the WSO community would love to watch the youtube video of the Wharton Dance Team you said you were a member of. Again, thanks for doing this. It was the best webinar I've ever seen on WSO.

 
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@Xepa Great webinar yesterday. What were your plans about the powerpoints you had mentioned? Maybe you could just copy and paste them on here and put Xepa where your real name was. Also, I think the WSO community would love to watch the youtube video of the Wharton Dance Team you said you were a member of. Again, thanks for doing this. It was the best webinar I've ever seen on WSO.

Will do PowerPoint after finals are over on December 18.

Winning team baby. I'm front row for like half the dances.

And as you can tell from the female-only section of the dance, there are clearly some attractive girls in the MBA program!

 

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