Throwin In A Dip
Most of the guy analysts dip, including myself. I knew most guys did going but it's still a pretty nasty habit. So when I was sitting in on a phone call w/ my VP not to long after I started and hey threw in a pouch I thought it was no biggie. Ever since I've been a little more cavalier about throwing in a lipper (ie during daylight hours) our admin has been has been a total bitch to me and has me paranoid that I'm insulting people. What's proper dip edict?
Snus, nobody will know.
Once you have been dipping for a while, snus do absolutely nothing. They are terrible.
I got a bunch of buddies who just got back from Iraq, and they love that crap. They've almost sucked me into it, but so far I have resisted... we'll see how long I can refrain.
I work on the buyside so its a bit more laidback (especially the firm I work at) so discount this however you will. I don't do pack lips whenever the two most senior guys are around, but the rest of my team is all guys and relatively chill so I simply asked them one night if anyone minded or would be offended if I dipped. They all said do whatever the fuck you want and one asked for a lip.
What is Dip?
Damn I need to figure out how to post pictures
Dipping tobacco.
snus/pouches don't buzz me, only longcut. just be discrete about the spitter.
I love my copenhagen but I personally would never throw one in at the office. Banking is a very buttoned-up, first impression business. Dipping at work may come off as unprofessional. I would only throw in a lip only if I was with a couple of other analyst at the office working on a pitchbook at 3 am or on the shitter where no one could see you during the day. If you really have to, throw a couple of snus pouches in.
I love copenhagen, but its not worth the risk. You don't want to be remembered as 'the guy who always has a lip in' when final reviews come in. Like it or not, you're working at a bank, not a truckstop.
Do you guys seriously dip at work??
Ha. I thought it was only a Texas/oilfield thing. I'll be damned
I guess you have never been to Virginia or North Carolina.
Chicago MM IB; MD's would commonly pack lippers in the evening while sitting at their desks.
key word here is MD.
Out of town and on my phone so ill make this quick.
1) snus is faggots and 12 year olds. 2) long cut or nothing 3) all you guys that dip need to join my dipping monkeys group 4) OP but it in between your molars and the side of your cheek while making sure you spit in an opaque bottle.with a screw on top.
I throw in a pouch when my MD and associate aren't around later in the evenings. Long cut is too messy for work in my opinion.
fine cut > long cut. Copenhagen Snuff is the best
^^^ I can't do snuff. That shit gets in your teeth and you end up swallowing most of it. I'd take redman plugs over cope snuff any day.
Speaking of swallowing. A care taker at one of my friend's farms used to swallow his lip rather than spit (yes, I know 'that's what she said'). Guy ended up with terminal cancer. Had tumors from his mouth all the way down to his asshole. Some call it a dangerous addiction, I call it loyalty.
^^Fine cut is like dipping sand, its a mess and gets everywhere.
I met a guy that had been in the military like 32 years and he would chew, no hyperbole, a quarter of a can at a time and never spit. It was ridiculous.
And why the fuck aren't more of you in my sweet dippin monkeys group?
on a related note, I knew a guy in college who was a former enlisted marine and dipped almost two cans a day, he would put in a dip before a three hour class and never spit. And it was usually timberwolf or longhorn or some other shit brand because he was too cheap to buy cope
!!! that's it. running out and packing one.
Ya the marine corps will definitely do that to you. I never really got into dipping the cheap stuff when I dipped though. It seems like that was usually reserved for the true hillbillies.
^^ Just joined. My first group on WSO.
I throw 2 snus up top and 1 in the bottom during daylight hours. No real buzz but it keeps me going and nobody seems to notice. The grizz wint mostly just comes out at night... mostly....
Just threw one in.....
used to dip when I was working nights covering asia as everyone on that desk including myself were a bunch of wierdoes/hermits/whatever, and didnt care about stupid crap like that, but now that im on days with 200 or so people on my floor, I stay away from dipping.
Oh and to echo everyone who already mentioned this, snus and pouches wont do shit to anyone who has been a regular dipper for some time. (see happy's list, its pretty accurate)
this thread is killin me right now
The next logical question is what are you guys packing? I saw some love for cope before. Until I get my SA signing bonus I'm dirt poor and limited to grizzly mint, but I love it deep down anyway.
Already a discussion going in the group about that join up and find out.
Another issue with dipping at work...what if you spill your spitter? Doesn't happen often but when it does it's catastrophic. I can't imagine spilling tobacco juice all over a pitchbook or something for an MD...
Read my previous post about an opaque bottle and realize that I specifically said 'with a top' plan for the worst, hope for the best.
What about the blow? How often do you guys sneak in a line or two?
Thanks for the insight bra's. I threw in a dip today round 11 and who walks in but our global head making his way for our analyst pit. With my back to him I had no choice but to rough it. It was awful, painful, and I ralfed during lunch. But I figure it won't be as bad the next time. Dip on.
Thanks for the insight bra's. I threw in a dip today round 11 and who walks in but our global head making his way for our analyst pit. With my back to him I had no choice but to rough it. It was awful, painful, and I ralfed during lunch. But I figure it won't be as bad the next time. Dip on.
Hah that's awesome. I hope everyone knew what you had just done and why you needed to run to the bathroom afterward.
Stringer that is pledge-like dedication right there
i dont dip but the bank i used to work at there would be spitters all the time in the stalls.
my buddies who dip say the trick is to make sure to use a non clear bottle as a spitter like a snapple bottle or something and to keep the dip away from your lips bc its more noticeable. either uppers or side dips.
Discrete side-dips are my go-to's. Last week at my internship, people were pretty much gone except for me and another analyst. He randomly came up to me and was like hey man do you pack- want a lip? Most enjoyable pitch book I've made. It's the little things that count.
Too much of a slang now, apparently... what is meant by "to dip", "to lip" etc? Not everyone is American here :)
One time back in college my buddy's girlfriend saw me pack a lip and asked for a chew. Watched her pack the tin like a pro and throw one in. He started bitching about it; I thought she was badass and in my eyes he looked like a giant pussy. What makes it even better is this chick is pretty hot.
Sorry to revive such an old post. Snus doesn't do much ( I have been dipping for 11 years), but a couple of pouches gets me through the day. That stuff is pretty worthless otherwise. I see a lot of guys my age loading up on snus and dip int he stores downtown, but never see anyone chewing in the office. I take it snus is the popular day-time alternative. Nothing beats the real thing.
Sorry to revive such an old post. Snus doesn't do much ( I have been dipping for 11 years), but a couple of pouches gets me through the day. That stuff is pretty worthless otherwise. I see a lot of guys my age loading up on snus and dip int he stores downtown, but never see anyone chewing in the office. I take it snus is the popular day-time alternative. Nothing beats the real thing.
Snus and dip are used frequently and openly by most junior levels in my office. In the beginning, I made a concerted effort to be discreet and once swallowed an entire mouthful when I realized I couldn't spit before my MD got to me. Now it's not uncommon to see multiple analysts with a lip in before 11:30 AM. Once, at the end of a prolonged period of late nights/all-nighters, I saw my associate quintuple bagging as he plugged away. As if being fat and bitter weren't enough.
snus or lipper? lol......i throw in some redman chaw when im on the floor.
Firms view on Dipping--yes tobacco (Originally Posted: 11/30/2011)
I am not sure if I can post this, but what is the street's views on dipping? I find it helps me study as well as work much more efficiently. I don't do it all the time, but only when I have something important due because it focuses me in. (probably once a week)
Anyone else dip? Is it frowned down upon?
I am aware of the health effects
I used to dip, but now I've switched to 'Snus'.
I have been looking into getting that? How long does the buzz last? I heard it's quick...
half the guys have never even seen it before...snus is less noticeable so i'd give that a try
there are a fuck ton of analysts, associates, and even directors/mds that dip... one of the directors on my floor throws in a full horseshoe every day... it probably depends on your group and your firm... it's something you'd have to feel out, but tons of guys on my floor do and they'll just have a little spitter on their desk
Compared to dipping, the pouched tobacco snus isn't that strong. However, some of the loose tobacco can be as strong and even stronger than dip. For me, the buzz wears off after a few min. Take into account I've been dipping and doing snus for the last 5-6 years.
Try one can of this and decide for yourself: http://snusexpress.com/shop/catalog/skruf-extra-strong-loose.php
[quote=Working9-5]Compared to dipping, the pouched tobacco snus isn't that strong. However, some of the loose tobacco can be as strong and even stronger than dip. For me, the buzz wears off after a few min. Take into account I've been dipping and doing snus for the last 5-6 years.
Try one can of this and decide for yourself: http://snusexpress.com/shop/catalog/skruf-extra-strong-loose.php[/quote]
I am going to check that out.
I will probably invest in couple colored bottles or something instead of my open cup where you can see the yellow spit haha
Why can't you just do coke like everyone else?
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Give Skruf strong white portion a try if you don't like to spit that much.
http://snusexpress.com/shop/catalog/skruf-strong-white-strong-portion-s…
I go through about one can every other day after cutting down. But, not that weak crap I posted. I go for skruf extra strong loose. Lasts about one hour before I spit it out.
Anyone do snuff? I went to Iceland last year and my senior-citizen tour-guide would casually snort a decent amount tobacco every half hour. It's probably devastating to his health but it did look awesome. Keeping it legal Larry Kudlow
At a small HF I used to work for several people dipped on the trading floor. It was allowed because of the culture though... and about 75% of the traders were former varsity athletes.
I've tried snuff a couple of times. Gives a short buzz, but you end up blowing tobacco out of your nose the next couple of hours. I'd much rather be dipping my penis in some good ol' Skoal than do that on a regular basis.
Reading that last sentence makes me hurt. Please never share that imagery ever again.
Snus sucks. Just throw regular pouches of moist snuff up top (the old "cliff hanger" is less noticeable than throwing in downstairs) and chew gum at the same time. You should be able to gut pouch spit pretty easily.
My friend tried it for a bit... it works, I guess. Whenever I did it I started sneezing like hell, though.
snuff is legit and will help focus you but wears off quickly...and definitely order your snus from sweden it is much stronger
so a snus buzz is similar to dips?
Even then though I can usually gut Grizzly well. It packs so well no tobacco ever really comes loose.
Ordered snus by the way
You boys need to come down to Texas. The men, women, and children all dip.
Join the Dipping Monkeys Group I created. There are 32 people in it now but no one ever says anything
Get a cup of coffee. Your firm should have the paper cups with tops near the coffee machine. If they don't either a) get a real job or b) use a Starbucks cup
Put it in the side of your cheek and spit quietly. No one will know if you do it right.
I dip all day at my desk.
joining the group haha
This.
I dipped throughout college, also helped me focus on studying plus was tired of going outside every 2 hours for a smoke. I dipped the first few months of my job; mostly after most people in the office would leave, during lunch or while taking a shit. I developed a white bump on the inside of my lip a couple months ago so I intelligently stopped dipping and started smoking again. Decided to go to the dentist to get my mouth checked out; now I have to go back in two weeks for another exam because he thinks I may have developed a cancerous lesion on my tongue. I'm 22. So I decided to quit tobacco. With a little will power and a LOT of nicorette gum I've now become addicted to that instead of tobacco; lesser of the evils I suppose. Best part is there's no need to hide the gum, I recommend that instead of trying to hide the dip or using snus.
[quote=REPEAnalyst] I developed a white bump on the inside of my lip a couple months ago so I intelligently stopped dipping and started smoking again. quote] Just put the lip in on the other side of your mouth, pussy.
christ, how many hours a day would you have a dip in, and for how many yrs?
Just threw a nice baby lip....feelsgoodman
Four years, but I would alternate between that and smoking.
Just get either snuff or dip, grab a pinch and plug it. Works alot better... stays out of sight and your farts smell like peppermint, peach or good 'ol straight tabacco.
My bad...the nicorette has worked for me. I chew more nicorette than recommended but I haven't smoked/dipped since and it gives me a decent little buzz while working.
is it nicotene that is cancer causing or is it the tobacco?
I'm going to assume you're not being sarcastic and answer seriously-it's the carcinogens in the chew. The nicotene is not the cancerous substance.
While it may not be directly cancerous, it does affect your body in other potentially harmful ways. "The release of epinephrine (adrenaline) causes an increase in heart rate, blood pressure and respiration, as well as higher blood glucose levels.[33]" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine illustrates that.
Anything that up-regulates your body in that way is bound to have some type of repercussion in at least a small population of people over time. You may not get cancer, but what about diabetes, or other problems that can result from the extra strain it puts on your system?
I have heard some pretty well informed people I know argue that nicotine is in fact a carcinogen in and of itself, regardless of whether or not that's been proved yet. Only people who exclusively use\have used swedish snus and probably nicotine gum and electronic ciggeretts could determine that with any accuracy, and the people that used those forms of nicotine products have almost always either used real tobacco in the past, or continue to do so.
I'm just putting that idea on the table without any actual evidence to back it up because of the inherent problems with controlling the test population correctly.
It's no big deal. Lots of guys dip in the office. Don't look like a slob or be obvious, as it is an easy way for someone to ding you come bonus time if they want.
People do it at my office all the time and spit into the trash cans by their desk. It probably depends on the culture firm to firm, but at my place, no one cares.
I've never seen anyone in my office dip. I'm the type of guy who would go out of his way to write a horrible 360 review on the dipper, hoping to see him get bottom bucket and have to leave the firm. I don't want to smell or see that shit at work, and I am in the vast majority here.
In your own private office? Fine. Super late at night after most people leave? Fine. Weekend? Fine.
You're in your cube during the day and I can smell it, see it, or hear it? Not okay.
Where do you people work that you have lots of guys dipping?
Also - I'm fine with dipping but I would imagine you'd have to work at a place with some pretty relaxed senior guys or senior people who actually dip themselves for it to be ok, at least during the day. I dip myself occasionally, but that doesn't change my feelings that it makes me look like a redneck. I certainly wouldn't do it in front of anyone whose opinion of me I valued aside from close friends, and definitely not guys I wanted to think I was smart.
I don't judge other people for doing it, but again I would be surprised if anyone dipped tobacco in front of their superiors. Snus is another story, that would probably be doable because you don't need to spit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipping_tobacco
mouth, lip, tongue, throat, cheek, gum cancer? ... pass
I get away with dipping at my desk all day, sitting next to my boss...thankfully, in europe, no one knows what dip is, and they just think i have a retarded mouth
Dippin Tip (Originally Posted: 02/23/2011)
ALWAYS throw a napkin our half a paper towel into your spitter. If the worst happens it'll at least be half cleaned up.
Good call dude. Good Advice
Tobacco & The Work Place (Originally Posted: 08/10/2010)
I started my analyst stint in July and the hours are beginning to compete with my ability to service a formidable addiction to chewing tobacco. Pointers? Any recommendation that I quit either activity will be ignored. Thanks.
Snus will help edge you off until you can ditch the habit.
Use pouches and be discrete, long diligence calls that you have no speaking role in are the perfect time. Both my old MDs used to dip and many traders do at their desk. However, I have only worked with one smoker in three years.
Time to load up on Nicorette patches
Snuff is very discrete and gives a quick jolt of nicotine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff
[quote=acrew09]Snuff is very discrete and gives a quick jolt of nicotine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff[/quote]
Thats a great idea... instead of seeing you with a dip in your lip, passersby will see you taking key bumps.
swedish snus, none of that watered down Camel stuff. buysnus.com . You can throw 2 in at a time and have it go unnoticed even while speaking face to face
You should just quit.
Agreed, although I think we might be ignored Marcus.
Regards
Easier said than done for a lot of people.
Smoke crack - it will provide an intense high that will displace your urge to use tobacco.
Classic +1
^ +1
Dipping - What is the deal with ditching? (Originally Posted: 12/16/2009)
What is the deal with dipping at work? Do the "rules" or acceptance of the practice vary from group to group/firm to firm? Is it something that is only done late night, ie after MDs are out?
Trivial topic, but something I've been wondering the past few weeks.
what do you mean by dipping?
Filling your lower lip with tobacco product so you can lose your jaw by the time you're 50.
dipping eh? Please explain
It might be like smoking...something you're allowed to do only after you exit the office.
banker88, what lolbaringslol said. I have a few friends who work at different firms and fairly different groups, but they both have said their co-workers will break out a tin late-night when it's just analysts/associates. I want to see if this is common practice.
This is just pure curiosity.
Pretty much anything goes if its late. Just don't have your dip cup sittin out... cause that's just fucking disgusting.
I didn't know people still do that shit...gross.
I'm surprised so many people had never heard of dipping...
Definitely depends on firm and group - the frattier/college athlete-esque the work environment, the more likely its acceptable . I have one friend who dips routinely at my firm and mixed bag for friends at other firms (definitely more common in S&T).
Also - consider trying Snus instead of dip. Its spitless so it is both less noticeable and you won't have a water bottle filled with dip spit. Don't try the Camel stuff - it tastes like candy. Order the Swedish stuff online (http://www.swedish-snus.com/). Similarly good buzz, much less of a hassle.
snus is pretty nice
im in energy trading...and probably half of my desk dips regularly while at work.
For sure - I interned at a fund a few summers ago and would frequently have to run out to (somewhat discreetly) get tins of tobacci for the head trader. Everyone on the desk knew he did it, but he still kept it somewhat on the DL. He was the head trader, so no-one gave a shit, but if you're a young'n definitely don't do it until you're off work.
yeah several of the traders at my shop dip at work...the partners know it and don't care...I normally wouldn't care because I had plenty of friends who did it in college but that shits nasty when its on the urinal...
LOL this brings me back to my first internship when in college.. it was any old late night.. one of the vps walks into his office.. blasts some classical music on his stereo.. lights up a cig and blows a huge cloud of smoke out into the hallway.. just not giving a f*ck..
anyone know specific groups in IB where dip is alright? as douche as may sound im putting together my list of places to apply and id rather apply to these former athlete type places if i know what they are
also about snus - recommended. used to work at CME and did it on the floor. good tobacco/cigar shops should have the good stuff from sweden. "the general" is the brand i got.
Several people I work with Dip. Some of the senior guys that have since left my firm used to dip regularly all day long.
Not saying it's a good habit, but it's supposed to be unbelievably relaxing.
oh, for a moment i thought this thread was for dipping your pen in the company ink.
Any dippin monkeys here? There must be some.... (Originally Posted: 04/20/2012)
What is your preference?
Grizzly for me, always just kind of stuck with it, but I am looking for something else
Love dat feel in class with a lip in.
feelsgoodman
Snus is cleaner
Long time dipper here.
I was a grizz/t wolf fan until I got to college. I've been a cope man ever since though.
I won't throw a lip in during regular hours in front of everyone. I usually sneak off to the shitter for 15-20 minutes then brush my teeth. But you better believe, when my seniors leave the office, I have one in all night.
Man how could I forget my good friend Levi Garret. That's my weekend chew
Love my Grizz Mint, but I get Cope straight occasionally to change it up.
I've always loved some grizzly long cut wintergreen. Got into cope in college. Occasionally I'll chew some redman.
I created a dippin monkeys group for this very topic and it has like 40 members.
it's more expensive but for my money it doesn't get better than skoal straight
cope long cut. skoal mint pouches upper deck with occasional sips of coffee or a piece of gum when you need to gut
let me start off by saying i never understood why ppl prefer loose over pouches, makes no sense to me. pouches is the same shit minus the mess. anyway skoal mint pouches used to be the choice, snus frost now
swedish snus is the best
Pounches are not the same as long cut. This is an indisputable fact.
this.
Long cut is best in my opinion, but I do have a snus pouch just in case if I don't want to be dirty. Plus I can stomach it
How do I join said group happypants?
And wtf...who downvoted me
Took care of that MS for ya.
//www.wallstreetoasis.com/group/dippin-monkeys
Skoal straight has always been my favorite but it is a lot cheaper down here in the south. I am also a fan of grizzly mint and copenhagen straight. I don't know if any of you guys have ever heard of it but there is a dip called stokers that comes in a big ass tub and it is really good. Its really juicy and extra long cut.
Long cut is definitely better than pouches. If you have a good solid dip pocket there is virtually no mess when dipping long cut.
Long time dipper. I dip at work now and again when Im especially stressed.
Straight Skoal, POUCHES, snapple bottle spitter = incognito
Crack kills.
Considering the average age on this website is 12 years old, my question is- which one of you is this?
City Slickin' Bastards... love it
^about the age I started dippin
Have a lip of skoal cherry in right now. I'm paying almost $16 for a big tin up here in Canada so whenever i head down to the states I always pick up a bunch of tins of grizzly and my favourite kayak grape (they don't have grizzly or kayak here in Canada).
kayak grape is an unsung hero. kinda weak, but absolutely delicious
hnnnggg grape
What is the rule about dipping at work? I am going into my summer internship and figured that it was not allowed at all? can you get away with it after the senior has left or just don't take any chances..... ps grape is by far the best flavor. otherwise i am a Kodiak mint long cut guy
after the seniors are gone imo, not a clear cup
Grizz is cheaper than skoal but drier. Gets the job done though. I am surprised by how many chawsky lovers on here. Actually trying to take a break right now because my lips are tore up bad. Also why is that ~1/60 dips puts me on my ass hugging the toilet looking like casper the ghost. I hate that.
I was lifting one day, did a heavy snatch set, swallowed my fattie, within 5 minutes I was puking everywhere
This reminds me of pledging.
There was one guy from another chapter who had the fattest horseshoe in during initiation night before we crossed ... he got inventive with his dipspit. God, was that night awful.
that stinks man, one of my PB's had to put a full tin in his mouth
Swedish snus. Doesn't get the keyboard dirty any more since I stopped with loose. Always looked bad when I turned pages and there would be residual dip smears at every page.
Turned to Skruf Extra Strong as of late. Man, that kicks the shit out of my lip. Few things beat morning coffee, snus, a busty girl and having the day off.
Disclosure: I'm an upper decker.
is snus the sniffing stuff? Or the type that you can swallow in a pouch? I have always done long cut but only recently have looked into snus
BTW^^ dude where do you live Sweden? haha you can't get dip?
living in a place where you cant get dip is absolutely miserable..i have to hope people in my company are going to the states or i gotta have people mail it over...either way, it's never easy
^can you guys get snuff at least? Maybe unroll a smoke? (second thought that is prob not gonna work).
What kind of barbarians ban sweet sweet chew?
You should find a guy to mail you inventory regularly and you can run an underground market for Skoal...You'll make a killing. And since it's illegal already you can target young kids so you have predictable cash flows for the future. Will make it easier to calculate the PV of your operation.
@finger_me_elmo: Snuff is the sniffing type. Swedish snus is just pouched. If you're looking for some kicks, try Skruf Extra Strong loose. If you're not used to the strong stuff, this will make you sweat from nicotine shock.
damn, now I got that cleared up.
BTW snuff, how long does it last? can't imagine long? side effects?
Anyone tried Rocky Mountain Snuff? Apparently it's pretty good and it's tobacco free. Comes in long cut and pouches.
it is non-tobacco? Is it just straight nicotine? lol
Well, I had a sniff of snuff maybe two days ago. It lasted a few seconds, but I remember back in the days it could last up to a full minute. It sure does clear up the nasal cavity.
Side effects: If you sneeze, there will be black particals flowing with your snot. Same goes with blowing your nose. I've had worse things up my nose that gives a buzz (read: sniffing Jack Daniels/other cheap liquor)
I'd stick to snus over snuff any day, but I did the last one out of sheer 'why not? Used to have an effect. Let's see what it was all about again.'
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