BIWS Real Estate and REIT Modeling feedback

Has anyone purchased BIWS package? Did you like it? How does it compare to the REFM, Wall Street Prep, or Kahr?

(Sorry, this is a mirror post of a similar question regard the WSP course.)

 

I'd like to know as well. I'm currently trying to transition to analyst role from a research role in a different industry. I have the Real Estate Finance & Investments book by Bruggeman & Fisher and am working my way through that, but am thinking about buying the BIWS RE package to put on my resume as well. Has anyone had success finding a gig with that package? Would it be enough to gain consideration for an entry-level analyst role?

 
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Tengleha, you can use it with a Mac if that is what you have. I use BIWS on a Mac. Also, I really like the course and thought it was a very good introduction.

Oh great, I think I would rather spend my money on the refm courses/certification though.

 

I bought BIWS and the REFM basic courses. Highly recommend buying both and working through them. The different perspectives complement each other nicely. Between both courses and the models you will work with on the job you can become a competent modeler quickly.

For some context, I work for a developer but also model out acquisitions of income-producing assets. Building a model or two from scratch for a hypothetical acquisition or development, leaning on the programs as you go, and showing it to someone in the business for feedback is the best way to go.

 

I took the REFM. I've been on Wall Street in fixed income sales for a decade, switching to CRE, capital advisory. Basically finding equity/mezz/debt for commercial deals: matching institutional capital sources (PE, Life Insurance, CMBS conduits) with developer/sponsors. I need some basic modeling skills to be conversant on both the developer pro-forma and the equity/debt capital source side of a deal. I have some finance background, but not much in the past decade as selling bonds is mostly lighting cigars and buying beers. REFM was a nice little refresher, but pretty basic for anyone who has modeled anything and has a basic understanding of NPV, IRR, DCF etc. That said, I look at a alot of excel models and a few of these "basics" have enlightened me significantly as to what I am looking at. I would gladly swap out the files I have for the REFM self study (all 3 courses) to have a look at the BIWS REIT version. PM me if you want to swap.

 
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I have quite a bit of the offerings from REFM including some of their advanced models. I have also worked directly with Bruce who is a very sharp guy. The negatives with REFM are that the models are a bit clunkier once you get to the advanced stuff and Bruce doesn't go into a lot of detail in regards to the logical construction of the excel model itself. You kind of just listen to him read through the model that he built. Basically, you'll just be reverse engineering what he's done and trying to come to terms with the more advanced formulas on your own.

BIWS is pretty cool for me because I'm really deep in the RE game - meaning I understand more about what assumptions are plausible than 99% of monkeys under the age of 30 - so the fact he takes the time to dive into excel functions and why you use each specific one helps me to develop my own unique models. He doesn't spend a whole lot of time on real estate fundamentals, which is understandable, so if you need those then you'd be better off taking CCIM courses plus REFM to get you up to speed.

 

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