Black or Brown Shoes with Navy Suits

If you have a solid navy suit, is there a rule of thumb for when to wear brown vs. black shoes dress shoes? Does it depend on shirt or tie color?

Before someone says it, there are plenty of threads. However, none that definitively provide an answer to my question.

Just tryin' to look great...

Best Color Combination? Black Shoes Or Brown Shoes With Navy Suit

It would ultimately come down to the situation to decide whether or not brown shoes are best paired with the navy suit. As @GenghisKhan", an investment banking managing director, puts it

GenghisKhan - Investment Banking Managing Director:
I would never, ever, ever go to an interview wearing anything other than a pair of black shoes, a navy or gray suit, and a white shirt.

The general consensus around WSO is that it is more professional and formal to wear black shoes with your navy suit to more important events (such as interviews). Your professional attire should be considered more of a uniform instead of an expression of your personality.

User @mxc" made an interesting comment regarding this

mxc:
You'd be surprised how irrational and overly attentive to unimportant details corporate environments often are

On the other side if you already got the job and want a more casual look, it is acceptable to wear brown dress shoes to complement your navy suit. There is no right or wrong answer it all depends on the situation or event you are heading to.

Brown Shoes Blue Suit Example


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Navy Suit with Black Shoes Example


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Do My Dress Shoes and Tie Need to Match?

The simple answer is no. However, there are a few guidelines to follow when piecing together your sharp suit. Here are a couple:

  • Your tie should not be lighter than your dress shirt
  • It most cases never wear a black dress shirt for a formal/business event
  • Your belt must match the color or shade of your dress shoes
  • Your sock must match your dress pant color

If you have any more guidelines or advice on choosing black or brown shoes with your navy suit comment below!

Thanks!

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I think it's just a matter of taste/how you want to look. I'm sure you've heard the old Brit addage "no brown in town", but myself personally think that brown shoes look esp nice with navy suits (so long as the shoes are dark, don't really like the lighter hues of brown.) I think that traditionally however, black shoes are the most appropriate, even with navy suits (despite idiot girls that tell me you can't wear black with navy) for business/formal events.

Bottom line, I don't think that there is an "answer" to this question.

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Anihilist:

I think it's just a matter of taste/how you want to look. I'm sure you've heard the old Brit addage "no brown in town", but myself personally think that brown shoes look esp nice with navy suits (so long as the shoes are dark, don't really like the lighter hues of brown.) I think that traditionally however, black shoes are the most appropriate, even with navy suits (despite idiot girls that tell me you can't wear black with navy) for business/formal events.

Bottom line, I don't think that there is an "answer" to this question.

Hit the nail exactly on the head. The only people who will frown on brown with navy suits are the Brits, so if you're ever in the City, avoid anything except black footwear when conducting business (and don't be caught in a loafer).

That being said, brown (in any shade) is considered more complimentary to navy than black.

TwoThrones:

When I was interviewing, some kid showed up with a navy suit and walnut shoes. Not gonna lie, looked pretty sweet.

Might that have been me? That was my power combo for years, haha.
I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

Most women will say never black with blue. I think either way you can look good, but brown definitely looks much better.

Frank Sinatra - "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy."
 

Generally, yes. It will work. Some people do not like brown and navy. I personally think as long as the shoes and the belt are a dark enough brown it looks good. It's ridiculous, but if you are going that route it is very important that your belt is as dark as your shoes, even more so than normally. Otherwise, it really won't look good at all. Just a warning.

 

Check out the Allen Edmond's factory seconds. I bought a pair of AE Jefferson's in cognac and looks absolutely beautiful. It was only $230 too. Usually they have a slight defect (cosmetic defects only, no functional defects). With that said, most of the typical AE's such as Park Avenues and 5th avenues I find a little too conservative.

 
FormerHornetDriver:

Black, Brown or Cordovan shoes all look great with blue suits. Just make sure you have a matching belt and wear the proper socks. Black socks should only be worn with black shoes.

I personally don't care for burgundy shoes.

Not sure how I feel about Walnut, but was looking at AE and was debating between Bourbon and Brown for now:

 
peinvestor2012:
FormerHornetDriver:

Black, Brown or Cordovan shoes all look great with blue suits. Just make sure you have a matching belt and wear the proper socks. Black socks should only be worn with black shoes.

I personally don't care for burgundy shoes.

Not sure how I feel about Walnut, but was looking at AE and was debating between Bourbon and Brown for now:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF57...

I own the 5th Aves in 3 colors (this model is always on sale). If you want a more conservative look get the Brown Burnished ones. The bourbon ones are a little too bright imo (they only look dark in the pic)

On Fridays I wear 5th Aves or McAllisters in Walnut. The color looks great w/ light navy imo. It depends on your work culture and whether you'll see clients that day.

I want to get the Park Avenues in Cordovan Burgundy but I just can't get myself to pay $500-$600 for shoes. That's 1k before taxes.

 

I've alo heard girls say not to wear black shoes with navy suits, but I personally think they look fine. However, brown shoes with navy suits is the more conventional combination, and looks great. To put it in perspective formality wise, I might wear a navy suit and black shoes to an interview/a first day, and then brown shoes and a navy suit later. I think navy and black looks more formal.

 

Make the first pair dark, then when you're in the market for a second pair you can go lighter, or maybe mix it up with some cordovan. But as said above, the dark brown is very versatile

I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
 
AcctNerd:

Now to try and use this response to convince the wife that I need 2 pair of brown shoes.

Jesus... Get some fuking balls. Convince the wife you need shoes? How fuking ironic... I bet she gets permission for her shoe purchases.

If you want shoes buy them. You work right? So spend your money.

 

It is worth the extra few bucks to get Allen Edmonds if for nothing else than the long term use you will get from them.

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Capo_MBA:

Just a side comment. With a navy suit you should AVOID black shoes. Black shoes go well with black suit, perhaps grey.

Agree. The black shoe look is not very current for the analyst age group anyway. I only wear them when I have no other choice.

 

Best rule to follow is your shoes need to be darker then your suit, especially with a Navy suit. Make sure the shoes are a dark brown not too light and make sure your belt matches the shoes, basics!

 

Brown shoes with a navy suit is chill if you wear a brown belt with it. Or black shoes and a black belt. As the old adage goes, Belt and shoes go together like sex and cigarettes.

 

Black is the most conservative and formal, hence the most appropriate for client facing roles. Don't listen to what women say, black and navy is one of the most classic men's combinations there is. The same goes for black and grey. The fact that this question is so heavily debated on here is astounding. I thought bankers were supposed to be smart? I suggest you all read up on dressing appropriately for the occasion.

 
Monkeyfaces:

Black is the most conservative and formal, hence the most appropriate for client facing roles. Don't listen to what women say, black and navy is one of the most classic men's combinations there is. The same goes for black and grey. The fact that this question is so heavily debated on here is astounding. I thought bankers were supposed to be smart? I suggest you all read up on dressing appropriately for the occasion.

Thanks for adding nothing and wasting everyone's time.

 
peinvestor2012:
Monkeyfaces:

Black is the most conservative and formal, hence the most appropriate for client facing roles. Don't listen to what women say, black and navy is one of the most classic men's combinations there is. The same goes for black and grey. The fact that this question is so heavily debated on here is astounding. I thought bankers were supposed to be smart? I suggest you all read up on dressing appropriately for the occasion.

Thanks for adding nothing and wasting everyone's time.

The guys who are saying that navy and black is a no-no are wasting everyone's time. Black and navy is the most correct combination there is.

There is no debate here. It does not depend on shirt or tie color, black goes with everything, as long as the suit is navy, grey or charcoal. There are certain rules in menswear, and they can be found very easily on google.

Wear black shoes if you want to be more conservative, wear dark brown if you want to be a bit more casual. One can even argue that if you want to be a bit more casual you shouldn't be wearing a navy suit in the first place.

My comment added a whole lot more than yours. Why don't you counter my statements in a friendly discussion if you disagree, instead of referring to ad hominems?

 

The British (and Americans until around the 1940s) came up for these rules for a reason, adhering to them ensured you looked good. Over time the lounge suit rules iterated to perfection.

When I see somebody breaking one of the rules, it tells me that this person never was exposed to proper dress, which in most countries implies something about their social status and origin. As I got older and learnt more about the world, I started seeing square, light brown shoes worn with a purple-striped navy suit as a sign of a doer instead of someone who needs a lesson in basic dressing ideas. The most interesting are those who break the rules consistently and thoughtfully (for example wearing the wrong outfit perfectly).

Still, brown shoes would be appropriate with tweed or other countryside outfits, whilst black is what should be worn in any meeting room. This especially applies to navy, which is the most formal colour a man can wear (for example, appropriate at a wedding when one does not have a morning suit). To then wear a "casual" colour designed for one's country estate is an interesting choice, which takes quite a stretch of the imagination to justify as spezzatura (the careful art of pretend carelessness that characterises the tasteful).

One caveat: if you spend a bit of time studying Apparel Arts or other fashion magazines from the first half of the 20th century (arguably the peak of male dress) you find that "clients" wore considerably more liberal outfits than their "bankers" or service providers. For example: http://cdn.styleforum.net/1/17/900x900px-LL-176a3b7e_Eskya1.jpg

I'll let you think about that one ;)

 

Adding even more value, a comparison of different black captoes. Go and pick your next pair of shoes! I'm a big fan of the Gaziano & Girlings, but the John Lobbs are very nice too. http://www.styleforum.net/t/362365/the-quintessential-dress-shoe-black-…

"No man should be without a pair of black dress shoes in his wardrobe; if there is room only for one pair, it would be the quintessential black cap toe oxford. It is one of the most versatile shoes a man can own, suitable for nearly all formal occasions from office to weddings. While dark brown offers deep patina and changing highlights, black brings out the best in mirror shine at the same time being a subtle conservative foundation to a good outfit."

I suggest you read all 683 pages of this thread: http://www.styleforum.net/t/309586/whnay-s-good-taste-thread

 

Just my two cents:

Regardless if you think women are wrong on this, black and blue do not go together. I always see people wearing a blue suit and black shoes, and it looks like they are clashing. It looks sloppy. The black shoes hinder the blue in your suit. If you combine the right shade of brown, with a matching belt, and some nice blue socks, then your blue suit color pops out more. Black and blue are too similar, and they should not be worn together (in my opinion). Its like the same thing as wearing a red t-shirt with orange shorts.. Too similar. You need some nice contrast/complimentary colors.

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StudentLoanBackedSecurities:

Just my two cents:

Regardless if you think women are wrong on this, black and blue do not go together. I always see people wearing a blue suit and black shoes, and it looks like they are clashing. It looks sloppy. The black shoes hinder the blue in your suit. If you combine the right shade of brown, with a matching belt, and some nice blue socks, then your blue suit color pops out more. Black and blue are too similar, and they should not be worn together (in my opinion). Its like the same thing as wearing a red t-shirt with orange shorts.. Too similar. You need some nice contrast/complimentary colors.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. As EURCHF parity so eloquently stated: "When I see somebody breaking one of the rules, it tells me that this person never was exposed to proper dress, which in most countries implies something about their social status and origin."

If you're caught wearing brown and navy (I hope you're not wearing blue suits to work!), in for example London, people will judge you for it.

When it comes to dressing appropriately for the office, individual opinions are simply less relevant, whether you like it or not.

 
StudentLoanBackedSecurities:

Just my two cents:

Regardless if you think women are wrong on this, black and blue do not go together. I always see people wearing a blue suit and black shoes, and it looks like they are clashing. It looks sloppy. The black shoes hinder the blue in your suit. If you combine the right shade of brown, with a matching belt, and some nice blue socks, then your blue suit color pops out more. Black and blue are too similar, and they should not be worn together (in my opinion). Its like the same thing as wearing a red t-shirt with orange shorts.. Too similar. You need some nice contrast/complimentary colors.

We should all take this junior's advice seriously, as he is a true trend-setter and fashionista.

 
StudentLoanBackedSecurities:

Just my two cents:

Regardless if you think women are wrong on this, black and blue do not go together. I always see people wearing a blue suit and black shoes, and it looks like they are clashing. It looks sloppy. The black shoes hinder the blue in your suit. If you combine the right shade of brown, with a matching belt, and some nice blue socks, then your blue suit color pops out more. Black and blue are too similar, and they should not be worn together (in my opinion). Its like the same thing as wearing a red t-shirt with orange shorts.. Too similar. You need some nice contrast/complimentary colors.

Another note on black and navy: shining black shoes with navy is a great idea and one of the ways in which one can deepen the colour of the shoe whilst remaining correct. I recommend wax instead of the kwikwax type horrors, applied sparsely and with a hint of water on the hard bits once a week. It takes around 40 minutes to obtain the correct effect. If you care.

Regarding grey suits and black shoes: http://www.levinerwood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Summer33.jpg http://www.gentlemansgazette.com/de/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/05.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/thunderw21/AA092.jpg And here's a chap returning from the country, for a nice contrast: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J1VOLK7RFX8/To7LBnnZW2I/AAAAAAAAL_4/cvJW4tl2T…

The Mayfair angle is interesting. I do think that a lot of the companies (read: hedge funds) in Mayfair are on the "doing" side, whereas most of the City and Canary Wharf is in the business of providing professional services and dress accordingly. When you are having lunch with Amitabh from Blackbox Capital, you sure won't say a word about his wearing a blazer (impeccably) outside a sports event. And of course, talking of grey, the correct colour of trousers with a navy sports coat, you would then pair it with brown shoes, as is appropriate with the setting.

 

From a Yank in London:

  • Loafers in the City are very common, and a fast majority of said loafers are penny loafers (someone above indicated that loafers were rare in London, they are incorrect)

  • No brown in town is violated by two groups: Americans (who often wear Oxblood, but sometimes just dress like they want to be made fun of) and stylish Mediterranean types (the latter often also sport beards, they have special rules)

Ultimately, you can do what you want to express yourself sartorially. If you really feel like black shoes with a navy blue suit violates your sensibilities, then go ahead and wear brown. Just know that you are taking a huge risk. Historically, clothes signalled that you went to the right school and University, and knew the right people who told you off when you dressed poorly. These days, you can fake fitting in through a careful study of the internet, though there is plenty of misinformation out there.

Ultimately, EURCHF and Monkeyface are absolutely correct. The truth is, StudentLoanBackedSecurities, that your opinion is less important than the opinion of those who have banded together for a very long time to try and establish a non-linguistic code for excluding those who are not "in the know". Their contempt is honed by several generations of running the world, so I'd defer to their judgement. Less risky.

 
cityknight:

From a Yank in London:

- Loafers in the City are very common, and a fast majority of said loafers are penny loafers (someone above indicated that loafers were rare in London, they are incorrect)

- No brown in town is violated by two groups: Americans (who often wear Oxblood, but sometimes just dress like they want to be made fun of) and stylish Mediterranean types (the latter often also sport beards, they have special rules)

Ultimately, you can do what you want to express yourself sartorially. If you really feel like black shoes with a navy blue suit violates your sensibilities, then go ahead and wear brown. Just know that you are taking a huge risk. Historically, clothes signalled that you went to the right school and University, and knew the right people who told you off when you dressed poorly. These days, you can fake fitting in through a careful study of the internet, though there is plenty of misinformation out there.

Ultimately, EURCHF and Monkeyface are absolutely correct. The truth is, StudentLoanBackedSecurities, that your opinion is less important than the opinion of those who have banded together for a very long time to try and establish a non-linguistic code for excluding those who are not "in the know". Their contempt is honed by several generations of running the world, so I'd defer to their judgement. Less risky.

Interesting. I always thought oxblood/burgundy (i.e. Alden's Color 8 shell) did not count as brown for purposes of the rule. I'm guessing the Americans are sporting those while the Italians run around in antiqued dark brown leather.

 

Depends on how judgemental the Brit in question is feeling. My current MD looks down on belts - a lack of tabs is a sign of general impoverishment.

And good looking Italian fellows know they can get away with anything. London may have codified the ground rules of looking proper, but plenty of Italians will catch you peering down at their suede brogues and give you a look that leaves no doubt as to who invented looking fucking fantastic.

 
cityknight:
The truth is, StudentLoanBackedSecurities, that your opinion is less important than the opinion of those who have banded together for a very long time to try and establish a non-linguistic code for excluding those who are not "in the know".
I am tempted to resurrect Alan Plusser's quip about the value of women's opinion on male dress but I shall leave it to those interested in his excellent book :P
 
Fashions come and go, but proportions are timeless.
Agreed, heartily. The classic YSL quote comes to mind.
The idea is not to receive compliment, as you are so well dressed that it passes unnoticed.
True. I have been guilty of violating this; as a young man, there have been times I have purposely dressed to be noticed. As I've matured (it is a lifelong process), it's been more of an effort to dress well enough that the clothing complements my person rather than shouting on my behalf. Again, similar to the old saying about money: "Money talks, wealth whispers."

At this point, the people who comment on my clothing are exactly those you mentioned, other bespoke customers who inquire about my tailor. I disagree with your point about women and tailoring (and vice versa). I have been making more of an effort to be conversant in womenswear, and there have been times when ladies have made intelligent comments on my attire.

Regarding the gym, we've already got that covered. That unfortunately is the reason I began pursuing custom clothing in the first place; off-the-rack garments stopped fitting. At this point, my measurements are drop-11.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

Indeed, as they used to say in ballroom, "be the frame on which the lady shines". To her the bright green and red flamboyance and interesting innovations. This is not to say that it is not possible to be original with taste, but our world is that of textures and proportions.

Let me qualify my statement: I've found that vastly more men, than women, know about male dress. Thus it is often the case that "getting female attention" is no sign of being tastefully dressed.

I find female fashion rather incomprehensible, due to its breadth and the much wider varieties of body shapes and colours to contend with; as such my attitude has always been to stay quiet and let live. Specific comments tend to draw wrath, anyway. As Anatole France used to say "life is too short and Proust is too long".

 

As an employee at Jos. A Banks, I would suggest black. Assuming you're not too into fashion considering you asked the question, most people who wear brown shoes with navy suits try too hard and match the belt with their shoes, and its off. And black goes with black, and every shade of grey suit. What type of shoe? Versace loafers, theyre pretty conservative, and last forever. Just my two cents.

 
HNEP:

As an employee at Jos. A Banks, I would suggest black. Assuming you're not too into fashion considering you asked the question, most people who wear brown shoes with navy suits try too hard and match the belt with their shoes, and its off. And black goes with black, and every shade of grey suit. What type of shoe? Versace loafers, theyre pretty conservative, and last forever. Just my two cents.

Terrible troll attempt.

 

Season def plays a role--black shoes are more formal and wintry; brown/walnut better for warmers temps. Both are okay looks-wise. I'm not in love with the combination in the picture: shoe color a bit too rusty for the shade of pant and fit too small--foot appears wide and short. The lace and toe cap accents do well to minimize the width, but a wider toe would balance out perspective more.

 

lol at the guy suggesting super high rise and pleats. But seriously why are we holding ourselves to fashion standards of the 40's in 2015? Black looks ok with a navy suit but brown (darker)/burgundy definitely looks better. It also looks just as classy as black or sometimes even more so. I guess if it is the norm in the office and is frowned upon then do what needs to be done, but I certaintly don't want to only wear black cap toes for the rest of my life. Also, I think if females agree that should tell you something.

 

What do you guys think for the 5th avenue in chili with a blue suit. (hard to describe a color, but slightly lighter than navy)

The only thing that worries me is chili shoes. In my country is ok, but here everyone is concerned about being conservative. Any time it's all about your knowledge, not about lovely shoes lol.

 

Black shoes are great and essentially foolproof. When you start to wear brown shoes, you have to be extremely conscious of which shade you're wearing. Nothing looks worse than when someone is wearing brown shoes and they have a belt that is another shade of brown. This goes for watch bands as well. Additionally, it's not really appropriate to wear brown shoes to any type of evening event, as they are a much more casual choice. Brown shoes with a navy suit is trendy, but black shoes are timeless.

 

When I'm asking for an LPs money, I wear black. When co's/mgmt teams are asking me for money I wear brown.

When I'm asking for an LPs money I wear a tie with my suit. When people are asking me for money I don't wear a tie with my suit.

 

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