Bloomberg Pushes Stricter Gun Control Measures

Ugh, this freaking guy makes me sick...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/nyregion/25bloo…

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg on Monday used a parade of relatives and friends of victims of several high-profile shootings, including the recent killings in Tucson, to urge Washington to strengthen existing federal gun control laws to prevent guns from falling into the hands of buyers with a history of violence or mental illness.

Mr. Bloomberg, who has sought to make stricter gun control a national issue, said a law passed in 1968 after the assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. intended to prevent certain people from having guns has never lived up to its full potential.

The law was supposed to apply to convicted felons, drug abusers and the mentally ill, among others. The Brady Bill, which was adopted in 1993, was intended to enforce the earlier law by creating a national background check system.

But the system, Mr. Bloomberg and others who joined him said at a news conference at City Hall, is flawed because it does not have records on millions of people who should be disqualified from buying or possessing guns. Ten states have not submitted any mental health records to the background check system, and 18 states have provided fewer than 100 mental health records, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that Mr. Bloomberg helped found.

“The time has clearly come to fulfill the intent of the 1968 law and the Brady Bill by creating a genuine credible background check system for the sale of fire arms,” Mr. Bloomberg said.

The mayor also said that Congress needed to require background checks of people who buy guns at gun shows. Mr. Bloomberg also urged President Obama to talk about gun control when he delivers his State of the Union address Tuesday night.

“With our country still mourning the victims of Tucson, we believe it is an opportunity for our president to make a strong pledge to fix our gun laws and shore up our background check system,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “Because the state of our union includes the tragic reality that 34 Americans are murdered with guns every single day, and most of them are purchased or possessed illegally."

Among those who spoke at Monday’s event were Martin Luther King III and family members and friends representing those killed at Columbine High School in Colorado in 1999, on the Virginia Tech campus in 2007 and outside a supermarket in Tucson this month.

“Dr. King spoke of the fierce urgency of now — you see the fierce urgency of now in these faces,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “You see the fierce urgency of now everywhere, except in Washington.”

 

@Loki - we all agree that mentally unstable people should not have guns, but it is entirely infeasible to require this. How are we going to allow access to medical records and protect privacy. Also, what constitutes mentally unstable. Not everyone seeks mental health. Are we going to stop people who have mild depression. Recently divorced? It is a slippery slope.

@2x2 - You really don't grasp this topic or concept. Your post doesn't help you.

People die. That is life. We cannot stop death and we need to grasp that. What happened to Gifford is sad, but restricting god given freedom is much worse. Millions of people have died to protect our rights and we should not allow one death to take these away,

 

I hate these reactionary responses to every bad thing that happens. Oil well blows up? ALL OIL WELLS ARE THE DEVIL! Congresswoman gets shot? ALL GUNS ARE BAD!! People act like eliminating everything that causes something bad will prevent it from ever happening again. What if the guy attacked Rep. Giffords with a huge kitchen knife? Are you going to put heavy restrictions on buying knife blocks at IKEA?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 
happypantsmcgee:
I hate these reactionary responses to every bad thing that happens. Oil well blows up? ALL OIL WELLS ARE THE DEVIL! Congresswoman gets shot? ALL GUNS ARE BAD!! People act like eliminating everything that causes something bad will prevent it from ever happening again. What if the guy attacked Rep. Giffords with a huge kitchen knife? Are you going to put heavy restrictions on buying knife blocks at IKEA?

Your examples don't actually make any sense. For one, Loughner didn't just attack Rep. Giffords. He fired 31 shots and killed multiple people and injured others. Unless he ran in with fucking ninja stars and starting launching mother fucking Ras A'Ghoul kill shots on everyone, no chance he was going to do anywhere near the same damage he did without a gun.

I honestly believe that the large majority of people calling for gun control are not taking anywhere NEAR the stance you claim they are. The fact is that under Clinton we had some very reasonably gun laws. No one is taking everyone's guns away, but there is no reason at all for someone to own that type of weapon.

And if you really insist that someone should be able to get one, then the background checks need to be stringent. This isn't taking freedom, it's called common sense.

 
TheKing:
happypantsmcgee:
I hate these reactionary responses to every bad thing that happens. Oil well blows up? ALL OIL WELLS ARE THE DEVIL! Congresswoman gets shot? ALL GUNS ARE BAD!! People act like eliminating everything that causes something bad will prevent it from ever happening again. What if the guy attacked Rep. Giffords with a huge kitchen knife? Are you going to put heavy restrictions on buying knife blocks at IKEA?

Your examples don't actually make any sense. For one, Loughner didn't just attack Rep. Giffords. He fired 31 shots and killed multiple people and injured others. Unless he ran in with fucking ninja stars and starting launching mother fucking Ras A'Ghoul kill shots on everyone, no chance he was going to do anywhere near the same damage he did without a gun.

I honestly believe that the large majority of people calling for gun control are not taking anywhere NEAR the stance you claim they are. The fact is that under Clinton we had some very reasonably gun laws. No one is taking everyone's guns away, but there is no reason at all for someone to own that type of weapon.

And if you really insist that someone should be able to get one, then the background checks need to be stringent. This isn't taking freedom, it's called common sense.

Not being an asshole, but you really need to learn the current gun laws before responding to making stricter laws.

 
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There is no reason why there can't be reasonably strict background checks for people buying guns. If you're worried that you can't pass a background check for a gun, then you probably shouldn't own one.

Also, is there really a need to have clips that hold 30 bullets? Seriously. You being restricted from buying an Uzi is not taking away your freedom. We live in the real world, not a text book.

And yeah, I know, guns don't kill people, people kill people. But, people that want to kill people use guns, and can kill a shit-ton more people with ease if they have overly powerful guns with massive clips.

Jared Loughner bought his gun legally and had an extended magazine that held 31 rounds. How the fuck is that shit necessary? "But, but, my freedom! Don't take my freedom." Get the hell out of here with that. There is absolutely ZERO reason why we can't have SENSIBLE gun laws in this country.

 

You do realize that there is absolutely nothing that prevents someone from making a silencer in their garage? Or illegally buying an extended clip? In most states, the things that you mentioned are already class 3 designated and, as such, are much more tightly controlled.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

I was merely pointing out that the thing you felt so strongly should be outlawed (Hi Cap magazine) already are (or at least heavily controlled). And I'm pretty sure I never said I was anti-background checks. Maybe take a xanax, rub one out and chill the fuck out.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 
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Whatever the king thinks is appropriate we shall obey. Sorry pal, not how the story is going to go.

Ooohhh noooooooo, the evil 30 round mag. So scary.

Why do you need a hand gun with a 30 round mag though? To defend yourself? I understand people who want guns to hunt, or for self defense, but who NEEDS the ability to have a 30 rounds before reloading and why do you want it?

The only reason Loughner was stopped was that he needed to reload - if he had a normal clip he could have been stopped much sooner.

 
acrew09:
ANT:
Whatever the king thinks is appropriate we shall obey. Sorry pal, not how the story is going to go.

Ooohhh noooooooo, the evil 30 round mag. So scary.

Why do you need a hand gun with a 30 round mag though? To defend yourself? I understand people who want guns to hunt, or for self defense, but who NEEDS the ability to have a 30 rounds before reloading and why do you want it?

The only reason Loughner was stopped was that he needed to reload - if he had a normal clip he could have been stopped much sooner.

Very few people NEED a 30 round mag. Very few people NEED a gun for self-defense in the first place. The reason I'd like a gun and a 30 round mag. (if concealable which will probably not be) is to be prepared. You never know how situations are gonna play out or if your first 10 rounds won't be enough. Be prepared.

Do people honestly think that this Arizona situation would have been avoided if this guy couldn't get a gun legally? Bloomberg even says that most of the guns used in crimes are purchased illegally. I doubt somebody as psycho as this guy would have just dropped his plans cause it's a lil bit harder for him to get a gun. I've never tried to obtain a gun illegally, but I've been offered some a couple times, they're not that hard to get.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 
acrew09:
ANT:
Whatever the king thinks is appropriate we shall obey. Sorry pal, not how the story is going to go.

Ooohhh noooooooo, the evil 30 round mag. So scary.

Why do you need a hand gun with a 30 round mag though? To defend yourself? I understand people who want guns to hunt, or for self defense, but who NEEDS the ability to have a 30 rounds before reloading and why do you want it?

The only reason Loughner was stopped was that he needed to reload - if he had a normal clip he could have been stopped much sooner.

Why do you need to work in consulting and make 6 figures? Do you really need that much money to survive?

Obviously you have never shot a gun before. I could switch magazines (not clips by the way) almost as fast as he shot through that 30 round mag.

 

I need it because I do. Why do we need 50 tooth paste varieties? Why do we need different color cars? People want it.

You need to realize that reloading is quick and limiting mags to 12-15 rounds would do much other than take one more thing away from law abiding citizens. We are safer now than 20 years ago, yet whenever this happens people freak out.

 

He could of been much more effective had he not used cheap ammo...

Oooohhhhh nooooooo , ban high quality ammo, cheap ammo will save lives. The high quantity clip probably lead to the gun fouling and saved lives.

Ooooooohhhh nooooooo, ban low quantiy clips because they increase the efficiency of the gun. Noooooooooooooooooooooo , must save lives. Eek

 

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