Brown University - Any information would be appreciated
how does Brown undergrad place on the street? is it a heavily recruited school? and one final question...does anyone know how strong the fairly new COE (Commerce, Organizations, and Entrepreneurship--Business Economics track specifically) is? any information would be appreciated.
anyone?
the school is known to draw a lot of pot smokers as they dont care about much of anything if that helps you at all
I grew up in RI and I know someone from my high school that went to Brown and now works for JP Morgan Leveraged Finance. I also interviewed at a $1 billion + hedge fund and one of the analysts was a Brown alum. Probably not much help but maybe others have more insight...
Goldson, you know one person like that who went to Brown and now you're stereotyping every student there?
That's nice...
Not a stereotype at all, if you are a pothead or a hippie you will fit in well here as they are no minority on campus. However you will find the big swinging dicks here as well, but no one can deny they have a huge population of liberal pot smoking fuckheads
Brown is not quite the target that many of the other Ivies are. I had more coworkers from top-notch public schools like UT-Austin and Michigan than Brown, but this may be bank specific, as well as a bit random. When you get down to only 3-5 Analysts, you can get a lot more variance, percentage-wise.
Brown is a solid institution. Probably the antithesis of Wharton, still Brown should place heads well.
I'm sure the recruiting is fine. Brown is, right now, extremely popular among the smartest high schoolers applying to college (including the kids at places like Deerfield). According to a pretty popular study that was done a couple years ago, Brown was like #7 among "top choices" for the most qualified students, ahead of Columbia, Duke, Dartmouth, Penn, Northwestern, etc.
The guy above who said that it's known to attract potheads and hippies is right, but you can only take stereotypes so far when you're dealing with ivy league schools - there are still plenty of hardworking, levelheaded asian kids to pick from for your analyst class.
Brown won't hurt you...
BUT, there are much easier paths (recruiting wise) and there are much better prepatory paths (education wise). I'm not knocking a Brown education, in fact I think it is a top shelf Liberal Arts School. But, I dont think it neccessarily prepares you for banking (compared to other (even less prestigious) schools.
Consider this: if YOU were a were hiring VP, would you rather have a Philosophy major from brown (SAT score 1550) or a Finance major from UT-Austin/UofM/Cornell (SAT score 1350)?
Everybody on this board is way too concerned with things which hardly matter. Are we honestly comparing Brown and Cornell? They are both on par with each other. Yes, they have different cultures, attitudes, and programs, but they are the same thing. It is like saying should I go to Yale or Harvard to major in Government. Should I go to Dartmouth or Cornell to major in Economics. Honestly, who cares?
Brown is an excellent school, but if I don't have to train someone and there's a chance he might even know a few things that can help our group that we don't already have, I'm taking the kid I don't have to train as much.
I'd take the Brown student. You don't need finance to do investment banking.
well i'd take the other guy just becuase i'd never want someone who spent 4 years and 200k dollars to learn about asking why and if we exist... banking is a team oriented job remember? You don't have to be a genius, but you do have to be someone people want to be around.
I didnt say you NEEDED finance...
But wouldn't you admit that the fiannce major is better prepared? he at least speaks the language. In 2 years they will likely be equivalent (but then again analysts programs are only 2 years long). I'd rather have an analyst hit the ground running so he will add value immediately. That is just common sense management. But given your name ("ivybanker") I can see where your biases lie...you have clearly had to deal with this perspective. What Liberal Arts school did you go to?
I wouldn't say the Finance major is better prepared per se. Just because he "speaks the language" doesn't mean he can "hit the ground running" or be any more successful that the Philosophy major. The Brown's students SAT scores are stronger and he's coming from a better institution, which means he wouldn't have a hard time learning the concepts. He would hit the ground running.
Again, I agree with ivy, you don't need finance to do investment banking. You at least don't need to be a finance major. Taking Financial Accounting and/or corporate finance would prepare you just fine.
Bananalyst, would your answer change if the Brown student were a Harvard or Yale student?
Absolutely it would change. This is b/c there are good accounting/finance courses at these institutions. To my knowledge, there are not any at Brown (just soft economics courses...which isn't a bad education...just not relevant prep for the financial statement crunching you will be doing as an analyst).
To be completely fair, you dont need to take any formal classes at all. I myself am self-taught in most aspects of my job. But I think it would be a lot harder to teach myself if I were not an accounting major.
Please understand that I am in no way saying that the Brown kid is DUMB...not at all. I am just saying that I think, on average, the UT/cornell/UM student would do a better job (ON AVERAGE). Not to be stubborn or anything but there is NOTHING anyone could say to convince me otherwise.
Well Brown actually does offer Financial Accounting, corporate finance, as well as other Business Economic courses under the COE concentration that the original poster mentioned.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, because I believe that Finance majors do not necessarily have the propensity to do better in I-banking than liberal arts majors. I say this because I, myself am a liberal arts major as well as a number of other star analysts at my bank (including one from Brown).
I don't know how Brown places overall, but there are at least 2 or 3 at my bank
I'd hire the Brown student provided there is something that shows an interest in finance. Otherwise the UT kid.
You are correct banana. Also the UT/UVA/MICH kid would have better social skills.
No doubt. This is actually the deciding factor
Banks like JPM claim that they teach you everything you need to know. Therefore, they recruit heavily at Lib art schools. The kids they get from these schools are all really smart and are on equal footing after the required training. So, I would take the brown student.
I'm at Princeton. Harvard and Yale definitely don't have good accounting/finance classes. Actually, a buddy at Harvard tells me they don't have any accounting classes.
What can Brown do for you ?
just wanted to point out that Brown does in fact have finance courses and stuff...the major i referred to is finance-heavy (Business Economics)
just wanted to point out that Brown does in fact have finance courses and stuff...the major i referred to is finance-heavy (Business Economics)
You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. Ask yourself: do you like pot and do you like to associate with potheads? If the answer is yes, then go to Brown, if no than don't. End of thread.
You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. Ask yourself: do you like pot and do you like to associate with potheads? If the answer is yes, then go to Brown, if no than don't. End of thread.
No, you're wrong and not end of thread. Read the original poster's question. He didn't ask whether he should go to Brown, he asked how well Brown places on the street. When you answer that question, then you can end the thread.
From my limited experience (doing a summer at an ibank, getting the list of who's going to be a full time at my bank for July 2007, and seeing resume books of friends' summer analysts classes), I would say that Brown places fine. I spoke with one of the girls in my SA class from Brown, and the way she described it, there's not that many people at Brown who actually want to do banking, but those that do want to do IB usually can provided they have done decently in school. We had several Brown people in my SA class and that seems to be the norm on the street. Cornell, Columbia, Penn, Harvard, and Princeton placed more people into the street, but I believe that's due to a larger percentage of the student population wanting to do banking. The BBs go to Brown and actively recruit; should you want to do banking from Brown, I doubt you'd meet with many problems. Brown attracts top students (just look at the average SAT scores and high school GPAs of its students), and banks want to hire the cream of the crop.
As for the UT Austin example - I'd hire the Brown kid in a flash since, based on the stats you've given, the Brown kid is smarter. Learning finance in college only helps so much - my Wharton education gave me a head start on people this summer, but I certainly still had stuff to learn. And the smart kids in my analyst class caught up by about week 5.
I think that there are a lot of biases going on when one blasts Brown students. Brown has accounting classe(s) (ie more than one), investment classes, and enough economic classes to satisfy any level of economic interests. I go to Brown, and have had a very easy time getting internship offers from BB's, boutique banks and everything else in between. Brown has as many pot smokers as any other liberal college and it is unfair to stereotype everyone there as a smoker. Like what was said above, most Brown students could care less abotu becoming an investment banker, which makes it easy for students like me to get a job when the big banks come through to recruit.
Whats wrong with smoking pot?... ppl need to learn how to chill...
On the more quantitative side of things, Brown students are not known as being quite as competent. One of my managers interviewed a Brown CS major who didn't know how to program for a position that required programming skills. Literally-as in he'd never seen a for-loop or an if-statement. He could quote Shakespeare, though.
After that, our firm interviewed fewer students from Brown for quant development positions.
There's competent people everywhere- and I'd be happy to hire a competent Brown grad. That said, there are more competent engineers at Cornell- or even SUNY- than Brown. Note that the emphasis here is on competence and not pure intellect; programming and math just aren't things that you can just "learn as you go."
Brown's actually an incredible school for CS (atleast at the graduate level). I don't goto Brown, but I do know they have a top CS department. Infact, they're absolutely awesome in many areas (computer vision, hci, ai yo name just a few), and have some incredibly talented professors PhD students whose research I've read and studied about.
Brown is an excellent Liberal Arts school. Where I worked, it did not have as good a reputation as a hard science/math/engineering school.
No Illini, I'm talking about Brown. But as I edited my post and said, I know only about their graduate program. I know their graduate program is top-notch because I've read about Brown professors' research for my own research work at school and at internships. I also was seriously considering a CS PhD this year, and was considering Brown besides other schools.
That said, I really don't know much about their undergrad program (I never applied to them undergrad, and never bothered to find out about it). I find it hard to believe, however, that a top-notch graduate program won't lead to a good undergrad program at the very least.
From everything we saw, Brown's undergraduate CS program is a liberal arts program with a couple programming courses. They have many SMART students there and there's competent people everywhere; we just found it very difficult to recruit competent programmers from Brown. Brown was also underrepresented based on their class size relative to other Ivies throughout the markets analyst program.
Looking at the undergrad requirements, I see eight courses. This is one third what Cornell, Berkeley, Stanford, and MIT require; half what Princeton requires; barely more than half what is typically required at nearly any respectable state school for a degree in CS: http://www.cs.brown.edu/ugrad/concentrations/ab_reqs.html
It's a tough school to get into- congrats if you got in- I'm just concerned that the focus in undergrad is too heavy on churning out well-read individuals rather than programmers with strong technical competencies. If they improved the curriculum, there's no reason the undergraduate program couldn't be competing with MIT- or at least top ten schools like Princeton, Wisconsin, Washington, and Cornell- in a few years.
what do any of these programming skills have to do with investment banking/S&T?
At the end of the day, Shakespeare might help you land nerdy girlfriends, but it won't get you a job if you're an engineer. There's competent people everywhere; we found fewer of them in Brown's undergrad CS program than in Cornell's, Princeton's, MIT's, and SUNY's.
It's a great school. If only they required that their Engineering majors learned ENGINEERING...
You go to an Ivy for prestige, education and network. Plenty of lesser schools are more fun. You are choosing the ivy with less network (finance) and less fun of a lower ranked school. Sounds like a lose lose to me. FYI, I always think pot head or hippie when I think of Brown. Regardless of if it is true a lot of people share this opinion. If you can get into Ivys I would suggest making life easier and going there.
Go to Brown, if you are the type of person that could see yourself there. Had a friend at Wharton that got in at both places, and regretted not going to Brown; honestly, he would have fit in a lot better there.
You will have to really work to get into finance, banking...and the chances are much higher that you will get interested in other things while there. But it seems like the type of place where a really driven person could be killing it (perfect 4.0, start businesses, network) without as much effort as at other places ... because everyone else is smoking pot.
As a fairly recent Brown grad at a boutique west coast bank, I have a pretty good perspective on this. There are a few important concepts that no one has brought up.
First, the networking and job prospects at Brown itself are not by any means the best out there. The average Econ major has to be proactive early to get into banking. For those looking to coast as a finance major and slip into a decent job at graduation with minimal effort, big undergrad b-schools like umich are the better fit. Brown's networking is great, however, when used in affiliations. Athletic networks like football and men's lax are very, very strong. Even a few a cappella groups have strong banking connections. 95% of Brown alums you'll meet on the street will be either go-getter asians/indians or athletes.
Second, what cannot be overlooked is the sheer wealth at Brown versus the big undergrad bschools. As stated before, Brown has become one of poshest places for the Park Ave and Bel Air crowds to go. I'm not talking 5, 10 or 20 million, im talking 100 mill+. Not saying this isn't the case at HYP as well, but in terms of its comps like Cornell, Duke, UChicago, the high finance money has an unbelievably bigger presence. This is relevant because the kids with this money usually have little problem getting SA and therefore FT spots. Not exactly fair, but when the father is c-level at a bb its pretty much inevitable. In fact, it ends up crowding out a lot of solid candidates. This situation gives the campus a 'vacation' feel (its not a terribly difficult school to begin with) as many of the students either dont care because theyre hippies or because daddy will fix all.
I find it almost amusing that people can, with a presumably straight face, bash Brown as a 'lose-lose' situation. Heres the bottom line: Its conservative and stuffy in the right ways (networking, tradition, prestige, blah blah blah) and liberal in all the right ways (no core curriculum, no RA's even in freshman dorms, just general lassaiz-faire attitude) in such a way that the school is literally whatever you want to make of it. Personally, I was an Econ and History double major, I played no sports but was moderately involved in some random shit, went out 4 nights a week, met amazing people, mooched off of billion dollar heiresses, and somehow made it out with a good job. Simply put, I had the time of my life and would kill to be back.
For all you Duke, Northwestern, UChicago, or (i can barely get myself to mention them in the same breath) WashU alums, try explaining the US News rankings overseas. For better or for worse, they know one word for undergrad: ivy. And its never going to change.
O, and people who claim that majoring in finance is helpful, don't try to justify your major for us all, its a little embarrassing.
Placements must suck if you had to ship yourself off to a west coast boutique to break-in. How far is Providence, RI from NYC? Less than 4 hours?
Who the f*** cares about international reputation? Did OP mention banking in Hong Kong or London? Apparently the Ivy education didn't include reading comprehension skills.
So all the finance spots at Brown go to kids with hook ups. Wow, no shit. So I guess this essentially confirms that Brown will not place well on the street unless you are connected and rich.
If you want to work in finance go to Duke, UVA, Mich, any other number of Ivy's,etc.
I am sorry, but I think the only people who care that Brown is an Ivy are people who went to Brown. I wouldn't give a Brown student any more respect of disrespect than any other school. Harvard, Princeton, Wharton, Columbia and Cornell are all Ivy's I would give much more respect to.
UChicago and Brown cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence. Just because a bunch of lazy rich kids go somewhere doesn't make it great.
Don't you go to Syracuse/Villanova? UChicago is basically the antithesis of "bunch of lazy rich kids".
UChicago and Brown cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence [because they are so different]. Just because a bunch of lazy rich kids go [to Brown] doesn't make it great
you guys need to stop hating on Brown. I go there, am in the COE: business econ track, had no hookups pre college and I am doing fine. Applied to the JPM summer internship on their website (without any so called rich boy hookups) and got into their program with a 3.6 gpa. I have never had ANY problem getting at least an interview, so I think that Brown has a little more pull to get a job than you Ivy-haters give it credit for.
Real talk
Brown is a target school. Think: it's president was on the GS board. Personally know several of brown alums who went to work in their TMT and Healthcare groups.
and those alums were very much middle class, with no family ties to the bulge brackets and did not fit the stereotypes that many are suggesting here.
Thanks unqweryfied. That is what I meant.
I thought that was pretty clear from the tone of your post and comments about Brown but I guess not.
Yeah, same here.
I am not saying Brown is a shit school. I am saying that when it comes to finance you have better options. I have no doubt that people get into banking from Brown, but people get into banking from a ton of schools. I am talking ease of transition. I do not think people will disagree with the statement that if you want to work in banking you will be better off going to a bunch of different schools over Brown.
I am also not hating on Ivy's. All I am saying is not everyone will start drooling because you went to a certain school. If someone told me they went to Harvard I would think they are probably intelligent or qualified, but I wouldn't start humping their leg.
Guys, these names were once led by, or are still led by, a Brown graduate without an MBA : Chase, Citigroup, Mckinsey. Need we say more?
On personal experience, people go into consulting just fine. In fact the consulting firms seem to love us -- they come here every year with a real desire to pick students from us. The IBs though seem a little bit more problematic. Citi though had 20 alums brought here for a career fair in 2007, and their enthusiasm about us was a little unusual. I remember the head speaker saying that they preferred Brown people over all other schools except Harvard and Wharton (Harvard has a undergraduate business program). He emphasized that he really wanted someone with a steep learning curve, instead of someone who knows some trivial banking/finance s**t, but he did endorse Ivo Welch's (or maybe Yasuhara's) courses.
On the course side, we have a very adequate finance education now with professor Ivo Welch from Yale Business School who teaches corp finance and a graduate-level investment course which basically hands out fail grades, according to the professor. And of course we have the financial accounting and applied math/economics courses that are just top-notch in teaching you econometrics or mathematical statistics. Our financial econometrics course is taught by one of the best econometricians ever out of continental Europe. Oh, and Wharton 3.0/4.0s are also out of the job more or less these days.
haha dude, When did you go to Brown? Welch got poached by Harvard like 2 years ago. I would say though that you are right that the best courses for finance at Brown are the applied math/econ courses. And if you can hack it, the applied math + econ major is the most respectable "business type" major.
Don't get me wrong- Brown has a fine liberal arts program. That said, I can't speak to their consulting candidates, but a lot of their candidates for the finance world get their butts kicked by Baruch and Rutgers.
^You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Malakari wtf do you have against Brown? saw your other posts bashing them too. what school did you go to?
You have the advantage of less intra-school competition.
I went to Stanford. And I have nothing against Brown. Learn to read.
This is one of the whiniest threads I have read on here in awhile. The people who went to Brown will obviously argue for it, and the people who didn't will most likely argue that there are better options. Brown has its intrinsic benefits, whereas other targets will have stronger business programs. Get the sand out of your collective vaginas and relax, its obviously a good school and nobody in their right mind would argue otherwise
Wow there is some terrible information in this thread.
OP, if you are choosing colleges now and know you want to do banking when you graduate, you WILL get internship offers, and you will be able to work in any group at any bank you want coming from Brown, provided that you get decent grades and internships. No one is going to ding you because you went to Brown instead of Michigan/UVA/UT Austin. That is retarded.
If you are choosing between Brown and H/Y/P/S, Brown is clearly not as good as those schools, no one in their right mind would choose Brown. However, as an individual coming from Brown, you probably have a much better shot than if you were a finance major at Michigan. People at Brown who want to do banking are a very small minority, and the school is relatively small. ~50 people out of a graduating class of ~1200 will want to do banking, whereas at Ross it's more like ~100 people out of a class of ~200, and a higher percentage of the Brown kids who want to work in banking will end up with offers. You see fewer on the street because fewer want to be there, but I would argue that those who want to end up on Wall Street have a much easier time.
Every BB recruits at Brown, as do tons of boutiques and MMs. If you check the right boxes, you will get a BB offer. As for the people talking about better options for finance... of course there are, Brown doesn't have a finance degree. By definition, any school with a finance degree has a better finance program than Brown. The fact is that banks don't give a shit if your degree is in economics instead of finance. If you want to go to Brown, go to Brown. Is it Harvard? No. Will it hurt you during recruiting? No.
I know more than a few SAs from Brown, all cool people. If you can't break in from Brown, you probably won't be able to do it at any other school either. OCR definitely exists, and unlike most of the Dbags on here, it sounds like you will have a good time at school since you won't have your face shoved into a corp fin textbook at 3 AM as you sweat profusely hoping that you get placed with Goldman TMT.
Is Brown a good program? All right, prove it. Come into the interview as prepared as the guy we're interviewing from Rutgers. Historically, we haven't really found this to be the case.
Not really arguing with you illiniProgrammer, as I don't really know about the quant side of things.
I would say that of the schools you mentioned, for investment banking in my BB analyst class, there are 5 from Brown, 0 from Michigan, 0 from MIT, 0 from Rutgers, 0 from Baruch, ~10 from Wharton. Telling this kid he has a better shot at banking coming out of Baruch than Brown is insane.
Does Brown=Wharton in finance? Of course not. Will this kid be blacklisted from investment banking if he goes to Brown? No.
I'm also a bit frustrated that you would judge the entire school because some clown shat the bed in a quant interview. I know plenty of Illinois alumni who are morons, but I don't assume that all are.
Brown=Garbage
If you go to brown you'll be known around the office as doodobrown
Just see a Brown career survey report. In the top 8 employers are always Goldman Sachs, Barclays Capital and Morgan Stanley. Students at Brown who are interested in I-Banking do just fine when it comes to recruiting.
However, as the above poster ['NYCmonkey' :D] said, Brown does get eclipsed by Wharton, Princeton and Harvard, and to a certain extent Yale, Stanford, Columbia, Duke, Dartmouth and MIT. But that doesn't mean qualified Brunonians wont be landing offers.
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Haha, true that.
I don't know much about Brown, but a friend from my HS goes there now. He started doing a lot of drugs. He never did them before. And these are hard drugs(coke, meth, heroin, etc). Don't know how well they place in banking though.
I frankly have no interest in going back through this thread to 2007, so I didn't. That said, my roommate made me aware of this thread, and a month from graduation I'm feeling a little Brown pride, so I'll tune out the NFL draft/Laker game for a few minutes.
Brown opens more than enough doors in banking. My best friend from HS is in Huntsman at Wharton, and we compared notes during SA recruiting and of course Wharton had way more options. That said, Brown had plenty. I worked in BB S&T as a sophomore, a different BB IBD as a junior, and now am going to a ~$5bn PE fund. All of those jobs came through Brown on campus recruiting. My roommate is going to a BB to do IBD. Neither of us are Applied Math-Econ (he's not even Econ). I've taken 2 finance classes here, I don't think he's taken any. Having a ton of finance classes =/= to banking/finance placement. There are more than enough resources on the internet to get through the vast majority of interviews. Perhaps other schools are better for quant stuff, but my roommate from last year is going to Jane Street (also not an Econ major, and I think only took 1 or 2 finance classes), so I think we're okay.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about Brown, I'll try to answer them, but no promises.
Wow thanks people. These debates have been useful to give me an idea of what I want to pursue!
Brown is a fantastic school. Lots of very smart people I know went there. It is also the least represented Ivy on the street. This is most likely due to career self-selection by the student body. What this means is that there is a far smaller chance that some VP or MD will pull your resume, English major and all, and insist that you get at least a first round interview. Harvard, Yale, Princeton have very strong alumni networks where senior guys will talk to you extensively and essentially coach you if you network properly with them. Wharton has an incredibly strong brand for producing kids who hit the ground running. Dartmouth's presence on the street is hugely disproportionate to the class size, and the incredibly tight alumni network means people who don't even know you will pull ridiculous favors.
Cornell and Brown are simply not as well represented. But if you've got decent grades and some basic savvy, all the above is just icing.
would love some more feedback here. http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/brown-vs-vanderbilt
Brown Recruiting (Originally Posted: 04/08/2014)
How is Brown for IB recruiting and consulting? I know it's one of the lower ranked Ivies but I like the fit there among schools I've gotten into. I would major in either BEO (Business, Entrepreneurship and Organization) or Economics. How is their reputation/alumni network on Wall Street?
This has been discussed a few times before - use the search function.
Short answer: you'll get opportunities for IB and consulting out of Brown
It's pretty solid, but not as many at Brown pursue IB at least compared to its peer schools (Dartmouth, Penn, Cornell, etc) so the finance network isn't as strong from what I've seen
Brown U (Originally Posted: 07/27/2011)
Hey guys, I was curious as to your insight in how well Brown is thought of in the finance world. I searched the sight and the last discussion about this was about 4 years ago so I figured some stuff has changed. Their career website has a schedule that shows a lot of BBs and MBB recruiters visiting, but I know it has a reputation to be a little hippie-ish with students focused on things totally not finance.
Any help is appreciated, thanks.
What can Brown do for you?
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Absolutely, NOTHING.
Seriously, even though WHYP, are a cut above the rest, Ivy League is still Ivy League.
Bain hires a ton of applicants from Brown. In fact, Brown is one of Bain's four "core" schools.
Goldman Sachs is the top employer at Brown.
Brown gets plenty of attention from all BBs and MBB.
Regardless of its hippy-ish culture, the Ivy League status that Brown enjoys means that its students continue to do pretty well in the job market.
Brown is at the bottom of the ivies along with Cornell and non-Wharton Penn, but that being said, it's still a very highly regarded school with an international reputation. All ivies are without question high level targets, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Also - IMHO Brown is the most fun of all the ivies, has the hottest chicks and is in a great location. The culture is relaxed but you still learn a lot... great place for UG.
Brown has the hottest chicks in the ivies? Are you being serious?
one thing brown has going for it is less kids competing for finance jobs, which can only help you
Pretty much the only reason why Brown isn't a semi-target, because it's easily the worst Ivy.
Honestly, if you're interested in banking you probably won't fit in too well at Brown, unless it's the best school you got into, in which case I highly suggest going there because it is indeed a target.
Nobody cares which school u come from after you start working as it is all performance related then, so your concern should be "will going to brown help me get interviews?" and the answer is clearly YES! After u get an interview, you're on your own. So choose an ug school that u think u'd fit in yet at the same time will land u interviews at banks of your choice. Brown seems fine recruiting wise, so now decide if u like the school.
One other thing to add is that the majority of students at brown dont want to do banking, which might be easier for u to break in as compared to nyu or Columbia
Worst, best Ivy?
Look, I'm no expert on finance recruiting, but Brown is one of the best schools in the US, as well as the world. Like everyone else, if you work your butt off and shine both socially and academically, you should have a definite shot in the world of finance.
Goodluck!
Brown fucking sucks. Here's whatsup: yeah, you get bulges that come, and a couple recruit in numbers (Goldman, BarCap, BofA) but others only take a couple.
There are NO middle-market or boutique banks that come to Brown. There's one tiny boutique you've never heard of and doesn't do anything special. So it's literally Bulge or Bust.
It's also very hard to get into firms that don't recruit at Brown, maybe harder than from a 'worse' school. That's because Brown is/was obviously on a lot of places' radars and they made a conscious decision not to recruit there. I had a resume that was good enough to get interviews from every OCR bulge without a shred of networking, but couldn't get any non-OCR firms (Big 4, smaller banks, TINY banks) to even bat an eye at my resume.
Also Big 4 doesn't recruit at all.
Also there's no finance program and only very cursory classes in the field so you WILL be behind kids that go to real schools.
Also contrary to popular belief McKinsey/Bain/BCG don't take that many Brown kids.
I'm not really bitter about it because I have a job at a top bank and am doing very well for myself, but I would caution against going to Brown if you want to do banking/consulting. It's just as hard to get into as HYP (+/- a few bps) so the odds are you could get into one of those places as well.
I went because I had no fucking clue what I wanted to do (six months ago I didn't know the difference between IBD and S&T), liked smoking trees (a habit I have since abandoned), and didn't like the idea of a core curriculum at all (only real benefit of Brown vs. other Ivies).
I know a VP @ JPM who is 6 years out of Brown. Another guy is a VP at a F500 who got in to yale som after ~3 years of work. Know plenty of investment bankers and some top 10 law school grads. Overall, they seem to do well. May be because a lot of them had wealthy families to begin with and the networks that went with those, but theres nothing wrong with that.
Just keep in mind that brown produces more doctors than any other Ivy. So its not really focused on finance.
Can anyone comment on if there's any PE or hedge fund recruiting out of Brown? I know all the founders of Providence Equity Partners went to Brown, is there any established connection there?
Yeah I'm not saying Brown is a bad school, I think it also places well with top law and medical schools. It also has a very strong alumni network. Also has lots of smart kids that do tend to do well.
My point is that if you're into banking it's not the best school to go to. Maybe my conclusion that Brown sucks was too harsh, but for banking you can do a lot better for the same acceptance rate or less money.
brown (Originally Posted: 05/28/2008)
is brown a target?
yes
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