informational interview - what to wear?

During my summer internship, I have built strong connections with my alumni by having informational phone conversations and whatnot. Consequently, I have scheduled to meet them in person for some coffee. I have met 2 of them today and I just wore business casual. (Nice button shirt and dresspants/slacks) Did I shatter my ideal impression to them? Do they expect me to wear professional attire?

What do you think? What have you worn in informational interviews or 'casual' meets if you will.

 

There is no way to know for sure. I had an informational with a HF manager at his office so I wore a suit. I get the office and hes in jeans and a nice button down untucked. He was like, dude why the suit lulz. I felt kind of stupid. On the other hand you could have someone be offended that you're not dressed to the nines. Try to get a feel for the type of person you will be meeting or just over dress and laugh about it if it comes up in conversation.

 
notaspammer:
Always did b-cas when I was networking during my internship and nothing was ever brought up about it.
Did you get a job? Nobody tells you they didn't like your jorts, they just don't hire you.

By the way, I wear business casual 80+ percent of the time, so it wouldn't bother me, but I also wouldn't be bothered if someone wore a suit. I would know they were at least taking it seriously and/or pretending to care.

 
SirTradesaLot:
notaspammer:
Always did b-cas when I was networking during my internship and nothing was ever brought up about it.
Did you get a job? Nobody tells you they didn't like your jorts, they just don't hire you.

By the way, I wear business casual 80+ percent of the time, so it wouldn't bother me, but I also wouldn't be bothered if someone wore a suit. I would know they were at least taking it seriously and/or pretending to care.

Ha, good point. Not yet. The people I met with were wearing the same thing though and encouraged me to forward my resume/keep in touch, so I doubt it mattered.

 

Matter of fact... I followed up saying thank you with one of the alumni I met today and he responded in a very friendly tone saying that in the future I should wear professional attire during informational interviews. He was very friendly and told me this as an advice. I don't know how I should interpret this despite his positive vibe during the meet up.

 

IMO... Always dress like you want the job. Regardless of how informal the interview is.

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Do you think it depends on the level they're at? Like if you're meeting with an MD, suit up, but with an analyst, maybe only business casual? It seems like very mixed responses, I guess in the end it's not that big of a deal.

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I would go business casual. I have even had interviews at top consulting firms where they asked us to wear business casual over suits in for the interviews, and most of these offices only wear biz casual anyway so worst case you'll fit in.

 

I think business casual would be fine - for me, that's just a suit minus the tie.

A quick heads up, unless you're sure that she knows its an informational interview, be prepared to answer some tough questions yourself. It may have been because it was set up through someone else, but I had a similar meeting at a boutique where the MD started asking me fairly tough questions on M&A that I hadn't even thought to prepare for (he must have just took it that I was looking to work at their office, the guy who got him to meet me had told me otherwise).

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Yea, I agree with the posts. Business casual. Suit without the tie should be fine. Think about it this way, if you didn't wear a suit, then they'd think you weren't taking it very seriously, and that would be way worse. Especially at a top tier and with somebody high up there, then you definitely want to have a bare minimum of biz casual. Good luck! (I got an info interview this week too :P)

 
Relinquis:
You're meeting at her office so err on the side of formality, i.e. wear a suit & tie. I'm not a consultant though, but I assume that at the very least the Partners will be dressed for business. Maybe the US is more informal as well. Perhaps the consultants will give you different advice.

What do you guys mean by business casual? Suit sans tie?

Generally, I would have agreed with everyone who said business casual, but since you're meeting at the office I would agree with Relinquis and opt for suit and tie.
 

Business casual (suit without the tie). It'll make you look like you aren't necessarily treating this as an interview, but that this is semi-important. Just wearing a shirt and trousers is probably an office thing, but for the info interview go suit without the tie.

I agree with Dufus. She probably doesn't get too many kids who are from her school contacting her, so she may think you're interested. All questions are on the table. Worst case scenario she asks technical questions. Could happen though.

 

That's because you work abroad and in IBD.

In New York, "business casual" means dress shirt and dark slacks. Wear a fleece if it's cold. Actually, in Chicago, "business casual" means any collared shirt and khakis or dark slacks.

For a college student not knowing the dress code, the risk of being a douche or being underdressed is best mitigated by wearing a collared shirt and dark slacks if this is New York. A college kid does not need to wear a suit- or jacket- to the office for a friendly visit with an alumn.

 
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Relinquis:
IP,

Thanks for clarifying, but the impression that i got was that the OP is seeking employment at said consulting firm or at least a referral. Surely wearing a suit jacket or at least a blazer would be more respectful, wouldn't it?

You would be right for IBD, but elsewhere at a business casual firm, it's waay over the top and risks coming off a bit douchey. Trading floor, people barely wear ties let alone suit jackets- you would never wear a jacket to the trading floor as a college kid, except for a formal interview.

The way you respect the people you are meeting with is that you follow the dress code. You do not come down to the trading floor wearing some suit jacket when we are all wearing dress shirts and maybe a tie depending on how much folks feel like complying with "business formal". Heck, we've even taught most of our bankers to leave the jacket upstairs. And those who haven't learned tend to learn quickly.

If you aren't there for a formal interview, you want to match them. Cardinal rule of meeting with folks. If everyone is wearing business formal, wear business formal. Otherwise, follow their dress code. IIRC, Deloitte, McKinsey, and Accenture are business casual and their recruiters wore that to all of the career fairs and recruiting events. Best for OP to check what this firm's dress code is and show up wearing that.

 

Interesting feedback IP. I suppose it's a cultural thing. I've always thought it more appropriate to err on the side of being more formally dressed than the person I was meeting if they were senior to me in age / status.

I've never heard of wearing a suit as being douchey in a business environment (particularly in finance), especially if you are a visitor or someone who wants to do business with the person. Even when I've met with eccentric top Hedge Fund managers or real estate guys at their offices they were in jeans & floral shirts whereas I was in my grey chalk stripe suit. Of course, if I actually worked there I would dress similar to their culture.

The senior guys I've met at trading floors at the large banks have always worn suits, but I was usually the client in those circumstances and it was usually outside of the US.

Interesting to see the sartorial differences between the US / rest of the world.

 

Suit without a tie is a good call. General rule in consulting is to always dress a bit nicer than your client, and that's what she is to you now.

Only thing I've ever thought to myself when I showed up to an informational interview (last time this happened I was in jeans) and the requestor was in a suit is "Well, at least they're serious"

Also, you can always take off a jacket, tie, etc if you feel overdressed.

 
oowij:
Out of curiosity, how did you go about sending this e-mail and landing an informational interview? I plan on doing the same but am worried about just cold e-mailing a partner or even recruiter and annoying them.

My college has a database of alumni organized by industry and position. You have to choose to be part of this database, so it wasn't a completely cold email. But even if it was a cold email I would have done it anyway. It would be very difficult to actually annoy any of them unless you started pummeling them with email...worst case scenario is you just get ignored.

 

The general rule of thumb is as follows:

  • If you are asking/looking for something (i.e. money, a job, advice, a mandate to represent a client, etc.) always wear a suit and tie

  • If you are the "money" you will be funnier, more intelligent, and more handsome than you have ever been before so you can wear whatever the F you want. The dynamic is even more palpable for guys who have spent a great deal of time on the sellside and then move over to the buyside to manage money.

 
junkbondswap:

The general rule of thumb is as follows:

- If you are asking/looking for something (i.e. money, a job, advice, a mandate to represent a client, etc.) always wear a suit and tie

- If you are the "money" you will be funnier, more intelligent, and more handsome than you have ever been before so you can wear whatever the F you want. The dynamic is even more palpable for guys who have spent a great deal of time on the sellside and then move over to the buyside to manage money.

Yeah, a buy side guy can literally show up in his undies and the suited sell side guy will still compliment him on the quality of the underwear fabric.

 
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junkbondswap:

The general rule of thumb is as follows:

- If you are asking/looking for something (i.e. money, a job, advice, a mandate to represent a client, etc.) always wear a suit and tie

- If you are the "money" you will be funnier, more intelligent, and more handsome than you have ever been before so you can wear whatever the F you want. The dynamic is even more palpable for guys who have spent a great deal of time on the sellside and then move over to the buyside to manage money.

Yeah, a buy side guy can literally show up in his undies and the suited sell side guy will still compliment him on the quality of the underwear fabric.

What the fuk is wrong with you kids nowadays? When interviewing in any capacity, WEAR A SUIT. Holy hell, is there no common sense coming out of the education system nowadays?

 

depends: if it's during the work day and you're confident they're wearing the same thing, do it. I'd basically dress to what you think they're wearing. if it's a Saturday morning coffee in San Francisco, this will be different attire than a 3pm meeting in a MDs office in NYC, catch my drift? when I was in undergrad, I met a Wharton grad who started his own PE firm at a coffee shop on a weekend, he was in chinos and a button down, I opted for a suit but no tie, stuck out like a sore thumb. great interview, but the first thing he said was "why are you wearing a suit, you didn't have to do that!"

also, if meeting socially (not in an office), buy one of those 8x5 moleskines, very discreet but gets the job done.

 

I would wear a suit on most occasions. I agree with the previous post that you probably should dress business casual if you're meeting on a weekend, but if it's during the week, even after business hours, you should wear a suit. Make sure it's navy or grey and that it fits well. I can't tell you how many undergrads come through in their ill-fitting black suits with square toe shoes and I can't help but judge them for their appearance. How you look is going to be important but being very well prepared and fully engaged in the conversation will be key to landing that job/internship.

 

Wear business casual. Colorful/non-plain shirt (no light blue/white) and possibly a sports jacket. You might also look good in khakis.

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guys i'm not sure why i even care, which i don't but OP, please, do yourself a favor and buy a fucking suit and show you are serious

anyone that owns khakis should honestly throw them out, please, they are so 1990's GAP

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Try to get a feel for how formal the guy's company is. If you are meeting him during business hours, I would wear a suit, but maybe no tie. It's better to be a bit overdressed, than look like a slob.

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^^^ I would mirror what he would be wearing. Although it's better to look overdressed than a slob, it would also be weird if you rocked a suit while he's in jeans... at a coffee shop. It's too much and it appears you're trying too hard.

If the guy works in jeans when he's not at the client -> nice jeans and button down or polo

If the guy does biz casual sans jacket -> slacks/khakis and button down. If the guy works in a suit sans tie (can't imagine this is the case for consulting, esp on west coast) -> suit sans tie.

My guess is that you're fine with either of the two above. You can always take your jacket off.

If the guy works in suit/tie (see comment above) -> suit and tie

 

If you're on their premises, then go with a suit & tie. If off-site, then a jacket without tie should suffice.

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I am assuming the interview is at the trader's place of work. I would wear slacks, a button down with no tie and a jacket. I really think wearing a suit to an informational is a little too much.

I went to a Bear Stearns informational meeting wearing something similar and I ended up with a SA interview. Maybe it can bring some luck to you too!

Make sure you brings extra copies of you resume. Don't be caught without them!

Good luck to you.

 

What's the venue, and what city are you in? I'd generally feel weird suiting up for getting coffee with a senior consultant (I imagine someone a couple years out of MBA) in San Francisco, for example.

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it is in chicago. i can see the one with the senior consultant being more causal, however with the director, this guy brings people into the firm, suit would be more acceptable, even for coffee correct?

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Better to over-dress than show up in your favorite booty shorts. Go with the suit and tie.

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