Guess you cant include Rolex in your thread title.. What are your thoughts on the Datejust on younger guys? (22-24). Is it really an "older" man's watch?
This is the one I'm interested in.. nothing too fancy:
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Just don't, I would choose any one of a number of other watches before that, get a used Brietling or Jaeger. Rolex watches are the sign someone isn't serious about horlogy, that said they don't depreciate that badly,
This. People buy a Rolex because they want other people to know they spent a shitload of money on a watch. There are so many better watches for people who actually care more about the watch than whether or not Joe Blow on the subway knows he spent $6,000 on a watch.
I hope you are kidding about breitling. Breitling cannot be compared to Rolex. You can have an argument about why Rolex is so expensive compared to other watches. But lets be serious, Rolex is a good manufacturer with iconic watches and very well respected by anyone who is serious about horlogy. Breitling is the brand which is not well respected by people who knows about watches. Plus, they have a horrible design (most of them).
Having said that, Id recommend the OP an Omega, seamaster or speedmaster if it is your first nice watch. Omega is definitely value for money.
I totally agree about Seiko. Japanese watches are great given their price. In house movement and some of them have a good design.
You cannot compare Rolex to JLC
I stopped wearing watches a while go. Seriously unless you are one of those (wanna be) nouveu riche Chinese people who is eager to showcase their status symbol I just don't see any practical values to these artifacts anymore. Maybe get a smart watch. Those things can actually save you time (literally) and can be synced to all your calendars and files.
I would avoid Rolex just because they are so common. And on a younger person, depending on how you're perceived, some people may wonder if it's fake. And maybe it's just me, but I'm not a huge fan of Rolex's designs...
Rolex is sort of a victim of its own success. They make good watches, but everyone and their mother knows what it is and as the above posters have mentioned, it could give off the indication that you know jack about watches and horology. While some people who are actual watch aficionados have Rolex and buy it because they understand what they're buying - a large portion of the population buy it because they are new money trying to show off.
I disagree with the Breitling suggestion - to each their own, but I think they are overpriced for what they are. But definitely check out Jaeger LeCoultre (I think you can get something basic from JLC at $6K? Maybe need to move up closer to $7K). Also look at Glashutte Original (very well regarded German watchmaker and they make their movements in-house). At $6K, I think you can also consider Zenith. I think some people may also suggest looking at IWC Portuguese or one of their pilot watches like the Mark XVII or spitfire (though I think they upgraded the Spitfire and it may be over $6K).
I might be overestimating what you can get for $6K. In recent years prices of watches have gone up, so what you used to be able to get for $6K is probably $7K by now. But those brands I mentioned should have some watches around that price range.
Check out watchsnob on AskMen. It's got some blog/Q&A entries on well-regarded watches and often people write in with budgets.
I don't see the point in spending that kind of money on a watch. I have a $500 watch which was an 18th present from a grandparent and it tells the time perfectly, looks fine and I have my phone as well.
On a serious note, it is similar to a taste in art, scotch, cigars, etc. Some people can get 1,000 feet deep while others are comfortable just wading in the shallow end...each person is different.
@Asatar: Just curious, what kind of watch do you have for 500? I'm in the market for one.
If I was spending that much I'd get a Portuguese. Classy and versatile.
@Kanon
I totally agree that Rolex is a victim of its own success. They definitely have nice watches, but unfortunately, it definitely brings buyers who care little about watches, but just want to make a bling statement.
To the OP, you could definitely do worse than buy that watch, but you could also do better. The Rolex will hold value better than virtually almost any other brand. Jaeger and IWC I think are nice and you could get something in this price range.
If you do a little research, you can get a sense of watches that are intersting and attractive to you. Don't just buy something that everyone else wants. I think you will be much happier if you do plenty of research and come to an idea that's not as obvious as this watch. But, even if you do plenty of research and conclude this is the one for you, I think you will appreciate this watch more for having done the research.
Good point on Rolex. While being a brand known by mainstream makes it common, at the same time the market for Rolex is very liquid and therefore keeps its value. If you plan on buying the watch and keeping it forever, I suppose then it doesn't matter, but it's nice for those who like to buy and turnaround watches after some time.
Completely agree on the research bit. Couldn't have said it better.
IWC Portofino, Portuguese or a Jaeger Lecoultre gran reverso. Rolex are the budweiser of nice watches, not worth it.
Yeah, I took a look at a gold/stainless datejust last year and it was just cheap feeling. Like the bracelet was flimsy. I would either save the money or get something else.
I'd likely buy the Rolex or nothing at all and just save the money. Other brands are nice but whenever I see a Rolex in person it captures my attention.
two-tone? Difficult to pull off...
Did you look at any other brands?
I have three Omega's and a really old, gold Waltham from my great uncle so I really didn't need anything. I've gotten more into older watches recently. My desire for another watch ebbs and flows.
Three Omegas? Speedmaster? Seamaster?
I have a vintage Universe Geneve and it's my daily watch. Probably not worth much, but I really like it because I think you don't see it too often and for sentimental reasons.
I quite like the look of some old watches. But I am hesitant to buy vintage watches in fear that I don't know how to properly evaluate the watch condition (for the price offered) and whether or not parts have been replaced (not all the original parts - maybe some stuff not from the original make of the watch) and etc. I imagine if you go to a trusted dealer it should be fine, but I don't quite trust my own eye for these things just yet.
I was just looking at a vintage UG today! And I agree with you on buying vintage - it's a dicey game but if you do your homework you can come away very satisfied.
Yeah, I have a Constellation, Speedmaster and Seamaster. Nothing special, but I like them. I bought them all so long ago that they were relatively cheap (paid $1K for the Seamaster which is now selling for double and more).
I've been toying with a Cartier Santos Large that I would get a custom strap for. Honestly this is all window shopping as I don't need to be pissing money away on yet another watch.
How many watches do you have?
Just 3. An IWC, the vintage Universe Geneve, and an old Seiko. I've been debating whether to buy a Stowa as a secondary 'daily' watch, or to just hold off and someday buy a JLC or Glashutte. At the moment I've decided to just hold off. I really don't need another watch, but it's just an interest of mine. It started when I was looking at women's watches and realized I really don't like the look of women luxury watches (usually very over-the-top, with jewels on the bezel or dial) which are usually too ostentatious. Saw that men's watches are generally much more subtle and refined and saw more women wearing men's watches. Read up on forums and asked people what you can get at different price points and started to get into it.
I might have one other from inheritance - but they aren't my style, and I'm not the right age to pull it off.
I don't know if I should call that more ironic or fortunate...I'm actually looking to get a classy watch only to look nice for the ladies. I have pretty much no actual interest in watches...I barely know what a dial is. I guess I was spot on - girls love when a guy has a nice watch.
Things like fancy watches and $1200 shoes impress other guys; they'll never impress women directly.
I don't know...maybe, maybe not. I'm pretty sure that girls like when a guy looks well put together, and an elegant looking watch (doesn't have to be from a particular brand or price range) along with the rest of the appearance certainly adds to that aesthetic appeal. But more importantly, knowing you're wearing a nice watch could give you more confidence (direct internal effect) which is manifested outwardly (indirect external effect). At the very least...it certainly doesn't hurt to look nice when it comes to the ladies.
Honestly, most girls won't be aware of the brands. They'll just look at a watch and if it looks like it could be worth something, they'd just assume it. But a watch is really a small small part of appearances. If anything, it's more about the way you dress (fit and style, not so much the brand or cost of clothes), nice upkeep (hair, figure), and self confidence / high self esteem that makes someone attractive.
You really shouldn't be buying a watch to impress the ladies, and I kinda doubt it boosts self confidence. Just buy it as a treat for yourself, if that's something you're interested in.
If you're buying a watch that's aesthetically pleasing but doesn't cost a limb, then probably look at watches like Hamilton, Tissot, Stowa, Archimede, Frederique Constant (which makes awesome watches at a huge price range - I think you might be able to get something for under $1K that is stellar in quality).
Normally I'd suggest Seiko (the ones made in Japan, not the US-based models) as a $400 and under option because they actually make great watches inside and out (e.g., http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/seiko-sarb065-cocktail-time-photos-gal…). But the general American population wont' understand the difference between a Japan based Seiko vs. a cheaper or quartz based one (and they'll just assume you got it for $100). So for your purposes, you can try the other brands.
There's no need to go for a low end Rolex - only buy it if that's something YOU like.
This might help: http://www.theversatilegent.com/great-mens-watches-under-1000/ The Stowa, Sinn, Frederique Constant and the Steinhart in this list are some good options.
Personally, I am not a fan of Rolex watches. For a few reasons, 1) Rolex is not very creative with their timepieces, 2) they are everywhere, Rolex produces ~1 million watches a year, 2) while they hold their value, and the market for them is pretty liquid, they are usually for people that don't really know a ton about watches (this is a generalization, there are clearly exceptions).
I will say I do appreciate that Rolex makes an in-house movement that has stood the test of time. But then again the argument over in-house movements isn't one I always agree with; many top watch manufacturers will take an "outsourced" movement and make it their own (see some of the IWC watches), which can yield some pretty incredible results.
I am a big fan of Jaeger LeCoultre (master control, ultra thin moon, etc). They make a more limited run of watches, they have some gorgeous pieces, they are completely in-house, and they used to provide AP, VC, and Patek with their movements back in the day (not a bad track record).
Other great options are Blancpain, Glashutte, IWC, and if you want to get something with a little more personality then you can even go Ulysse Nardin (not the biggest fan, but they have some creative stuff). One of my favorite watches is probably the glashutte senator panorama date moonphase.
Summary is: not a huge fan of Rolex, for that much money there are better watches on the market.
Interesting info on Rolex for those who think they aren't innovative:
http://www.askmen.com/fashion/trends/in-defense-of-rolex-watches.html
I reiterate: they are a victim of their own success.
DickFuld -
The problem with the article you listed is that the last "innovation" listed regarding Rolex was in 1954.
I don't hate Rolex watches, I just don't find them very creative or appealing. It is the same reason I don't find Tag watches, or even most Breitling watches appealing (even most AP watches). Rolex makes good watches, but like I said before, for $6K you can get, in my opinion, a more unique piece (more personality, etc). I also think people limit themselves to "Rolex or bust" and don't explore what watches they actually like (i.e. "if it says Rolex it is good enough for me"...sounds like "as long as it is I Banking I don't care").
You don't see Rolex minute repeaters or grand complications. You also don't see them creating a watch like the Ulysse Nardin Freak (probably for a good reason there...).
And again this is just my personal opinion, but they all have a very similar look. This is the reason I don't really like AP, I don't really like the "main" AP look, and most of their watches are so similar (except for Jules Audemars watches, which I find really cool).
Anyway, just stating my thoughts, and I don't want my thoughts to be taken as "Rolex watches suck", just not my personal preference.
I don't totally disagree, but more importantly, everyone has different taste. I wasn't pointing that commemt at you specifically, but there is a general opinion among certain people that Rolexes suck, but they definitely don't suck...they may not be your taste which is totally fair and you can't fault someone for that. Regarding Audemars Piguet, I tend to agree with you that they are generally pretty ugly watches (especially the Royal Oak), but I can appreciate that they are well made watches. If someone said they didn't want a Rolex because they're too common, I would understand and generally agree. If I just wanted a decent automatic that looks pretty good, I would just get a Seiko automatic diving watch, which you can buy for a couple of hundred bucks.
If I was getting a datejust, that's the one I would get. I've seen people in their 20s wear them, and it's fine. I doubt you'll regret it. Should go up in value over time, or at least not lose you money unless you do something terrible to it.
I'm not diggin' the new stuff Rolex has. That said, I am rocking a vintage Rolex. I guess I like older military watches or watches from 60's to the 80's.
Just my opinion: High profile luxury watch brands like Rolex just don't provide enough value anymore to justify the cost. It's the same with Louis Vuitton. The reason why is because there are soooo many knock offs out there that when I see a girl wearing a LV bag or a guy with a Rolex watch I assume it's a fake, even though it might be real.
There are so many better things to spend $6,000 on. Suits, vacation, debt/student loan extra payment, something.
I am surprised more monkey poo hasn't been flying given the (admittedly) douchey topic.
That can be easily arranged. We just need someone to come here and be all "it's Patek or bust".
they cost a lot more, but new pam 507 and 508 are sick
Get a Gucci watch or a low end Rolex. Women thinking bank tellers are bankers. I wear pretty nice watches and have never had one woman sweat me because of it.
Please no on the Gucci watch.
@"Going Concern" My guess is most girls won't know the difference between watch brands... they (and I guess most of the world) just know the mainstream names. So Rolex, Omega, Cartier, Tag, maybe IWC, any brand that has advertised at some major tennis or golf open... those should work for your purpose.
I wish Santa would slip an IWC in my stocking...that would be a merry christmas indeed.
At $6k, I would get a Zenith El Primero or anything from NOMOS (the Tangomat would be my choice), which would actually save you some money. I just love the minimalistic look of NOMOS watches.
NOMOS is a pretty cool German brand. In-house movement. Clean, Bauhaus design and they sell reasonable under the OP's price target.
what would a "low end" Rolex be? I dont want to it just off brand alone.. I like the look of a Datejust
"Rolex watches are the sign someone isn't serious about horlogy, that said they don't depreciate that badly,"
While that might apply to a large number of Rolex owners, a generalization like that is just bollocks. Have a look at the big watch forums, and you'll quickly see that Rolex has got lots of fans among the watch afficionados (who clearly understand what they buy). Your statement indicates that Rolex is some sort of BOSE, where you pay tons of $$$ and at the same time most hifi guys think it's just good enough for the trash bin.
That being said, I'll disclose that I'm biased now as I've recently bought a Milgauss. I probably wouldn't wear most of the well known models b/c I work in a client environment so showing off is a no-no. Speaking of the DJ I do think that it's an old geezer's watch, but I know that many would challenge me here. Personal taste as always.
@OP: Have a look at the IWC Mark XV. "Someone who is serious about horology" would rather buy the DJ, because the IWC has no in-house movement, but I think that's a brilliant watch nonetheless, very versatile and to me the last true "Mark"-series IWC. And it's far away from being an old man's watch.
Just buy whatever you want. Opinions are like assholes, they stink.
Just initiated a decent sized position in FB. Perhaps in a year the Rolex will be paid for off of gains (or at least 50% would be nice.)
I have one of those JCrew collaboration watches (Mougin&Piquard?) and get complemented on it a lot given its relatively cheap price plus it has a very simple clean look. That being said, IWC watches look really nice to me; can't afford that at the moment though.
I would get a Victorinox watch - Stainless steel. Not a Rolex to start.
I hate leather straps. 9/10 of the one's in @"Kanon"'s post were leather straps.
In case anyone was curious, I finally bought a watch for myself: Tissot Le Locle. Very elegant timepiece IMO, and at "only" $600, it seems like a great value. Definitely looks on the dressier side but that's what I wanted. Never bought a nice watch before so we'll see how this goes, but I'm loving it so far (though the strap mechanism is a tad clunky).
My second choices were Stowa Marine Roman at $1300 and Baume et Mercier Classima 8791 at a whopping $2700, but I think they would have been a bit much for someone (me) who doesn't know much about watches. Decided to go the more affordable route to start off.
Looks like Amazon has it for $417
http://www.Amazon.com/Tissot-T-Classic-Locle-Watch-T41-1-423-33/dp/B000JKSS8M
That's true
That's a lot for a watch..
Nice watch.
Spending a lot of dough on a watch is tacky, IMO. Dump that money into some speculative stocks or something.
Try Tissot Seamaster
Breitling for Bentley
bump :)
It's a nice watch. I'm 28 and would have no problem wearing that. You could wear it at your age too. But as others have mentioned, it's Rolex, it's common, and people know these cost a lot of money. Maybe not exactly how much, but I think most will assume thousands of dollars. OR... it's a hand me down. You'll just have to live with that. Can you?
Like some others have suggested, I'd go for another brand. Oris, Omega, Breitlings are common too but I wouldn't say they have the Rolex connotation. I get a lot of complements on my Seiko 007 diver watch. I call it a poor man's rolex and people always ask me if it's a Rolex even though it clearly says Seiko and it gives me a chance to talk about the comparisons.
But the watch you linked to is very nice. If you really like it, go for it.
Dont waste your money. for $6k, you can get a good watch. get a JLC or save up and get a patek in a couple of yrs
As I've recommended before, I would take a serious look at JLC, Glashutte and Blancpain. Particular attention should be devoted to the Glasshutte PanoMaticLunar, JLC UltraThinMoonPhase, JLC DeepSea and Blancpain's Fifty Fathoms or Bathyscape. All solid watches with great value IMO. Check Zenith's 36,000 VPH, which houses the amazing El Primero movement.
These are all entry-level watches in the high-end spectrum of horology.
If you really love watches then there is nothing wrong with having a Rolex. If you buy it to be a showoff it is a bad idea. Anyone who writes people with Rolexes off as "douchey" or "show-offs" are jumping to huge conclusions. I personally love watches and will be buying a Submariner soon, and plan to build a collection over time, which will hopefully include a JLC Reverso, and hopefully one day, my grail, an FP Journe. If you know nothing about mechanical watches, their history, or have a deep appreciation for them, yeah don't waste your money. But if you really love and appreciate the history and craftmanship behind them, go for it.
Which FPJ is your grail? Thoughts on Jacquet Droz?
What to do to be so rich as you all r ? I wish I could be that rich, some day... I love when mens are wearing an elegant watches, btw.
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6834521&rid=127411#msg…
Sploosh.
it may have been mentioned above, but what about rolex vs. omega - I know james bond wears the latter...
Forget James Bond, did you see the new Rory McIlroy watch sunday? I must've seen that Omega commercial 12 times.
I bought the IWC Portuguese for around your price range. I'd recommend a non-Rolex brand with a little more uniqueness.
@TheBigBambino: How much did you pay for your IWC Portuguese? Can't tell from the thread.
You can get used stainless models of the chronograph or 7-day automatic in the 5-6 range.
I think the Rolex Date-just is a very good watch for you. First of all, Rolex makes the most sturdy watches. So you can expect to keep that $6000 watch for at least 10 years.
I also suggest that you buy a watch with in house movement, meaning no ETA movements. Omega has a 8500 movement and you can buy Aqua Terra 8500 around this price. If you think the datejust is too mature for a 24 yr-old, I would recommed Rolex Submariners, but that would be $8000. You can look at IWC but the $5000 ones have ETA movements while the good ones cost around $9000.
Bottom line, you won't regret buying any Rolex.
P.S. maybe you will like Glashutte Original. Good, fancy, not very high price at entry level.
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