Carlyle Associates
UBS - Energy
Mckinsey & Co. - NA
NA - NA
NA - NA
Morgan Stanley - NA
Deutsche Bank - Industrials
JP Morgan - Financial Institutions
Citigroup - Credit Transactions
McColl Partners - M&A
Greenhill & Co. - M&A
Morgan Stanley - Venture Capital
Lazard - M&A
JP Morgan - Industrials
Lazard - NA
Credit Suisse - Leveraged Finance
NA - NA
Bear, Stearns & Co. - Global Industries
NA - NA
UBS - M&A
Goldman Sachs - IBD
Roland Berger - M&A
Morgan Stanley - NA
Capital Automotive Real Estate Services - Real Estate
Morgan Stanley - NA
Edgeview Partners - NA
NA - NA
Merrill Lynch - M&A
Deutsche Bank - Leveraged Finance
Merrill Lynch - Leveraged Finance
Boston Capital - Real Estate
Merrill Lynch - Financial Sponsors
Bear Stearns - TMT
NA - NA
Seabulk International - NA
Deutsche Bank - Technology
Merrill Lynch - Real Estate
JPMorgan - Financial Sponsors
Lazard - Restructuring
Morgan Stanley - NA
Stifel Nicolaus - Real Estate
NA - NA
Credit Suisse - Power & Utility
NA - NA
"Merrill Lynch
- NA"
CarrAmerica - Acquisition
Citigroup - Financial Services
Northridge Capital - Real Estate
Bear, Stearns & Co. - Leveraged Finance
Lehman Brothers - Global Power
JPMorgan - Leveraged Finance
Mizuho Securities - Advisory
Citigroup - Global Energy
Lazard - M&A
JP Morgan - M&A
Morgan Stanley - Real Estate
Merrill Lynch - Real Estate
Banc of America Securities - Technology
Credit Suisse - Global Energy
Morgan Stanley - Telecommunications
NA - NA
NA - NA
Morgan Stanley - Healthcare
NA - NA
KSI Management - NA
Morgan Stanley - Global Energy
Credit Suisse - Financial Sponsors
Atlantis Group - Acquisition
Morgan Stanley - M&A
Credit Suisse - M&A
Citigroup - Energy
Bear Stearns - NA
Morgan Stanley - Financial Sponsors
Credit Suisse - Financial Sponsors
Morgan Stanley - Financial Services
Lone Star - NA
UBS - M&A
UBS - NA
NA - NA





you get this off of their
you get this off of their website?--what the heck does NA - NA refer to?
Yes, it is off their
Yes, it is off their website. I had one of the interns make a spreadsheet today -- some of the people didn't go into banking, so the cells had NA -- I just pasted in the entire column.
Carlyle hired someone from
Carlyle hired someone from Edgeview? Aren't those guys the chop shop of middle market investment banking? Perhaps this individual had some important relatives...
am i missing
a point, or some sort of conclusion we are supposed to deduce from this?
Is this across all funds? or
Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.
From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.
Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.
Re: Carlyle hired someone from
Carlyle hired someone from Edgeview? Aren't those guys the chop shop of middle market investment banking? Perhaps this individual had some important relatives...
Odd, indeed. Edgeview isn't that great, but I've seen their pitches and they do look mighty fine.
This is across all funds.
This is across all funds. Interns/Slaves/Plebes are good. Also, the intern told me that a few of the NA's were CPA's.
Re: Is this across all funds? or
Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.
From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.
Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.
I think it proves more that the so called "higher tier" BBs really don't have much over the "lower tier" BBs in terms of exit opps. BB experience is BB experience. The "tiers" are simply conjugated by silly little monkeys that are looking for a way to one-up each other.
Re: Is this across all funds? or
Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.
From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.
Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.
Ugh. I hate those PEI rankings. I would recommend buying a real database like preqin before you draw any conclusions (http://www.preqin.com/performance_data.aspx).
Guys, before you get all
Guys, before you get all excited about the tiers not mattering and what not, you should note that up here Morgan Stanley (top tier) has double that of JP Morgan, which sent the second most kids to Carlyle (12 for MS, 6 for JPM).
Furthermore, it should also be noted that you guys are probably interested in where to associates entering Carlyle's buyout funds come from, in which case the data would be slightly different. Here is that information, directly from the website:
Morgan Stanley – 9
JP Morgan – 5
Goldman Sachs – 3
UBS – 3
Merrill Lynch – 3
Lazard – 3
Credit Suisse – 2
Bear Stearns – 2
Deutsche Bank – 2
Edgeview – 1
Mizuho – 1
Greenhill – 1
Evercore – 1
Blackstone – 1
Moreover, realize that coming from the lower tier banks, it is basically a prereq that you are coming from a top group (M&A/Sponsors/LevFin), and that for MS, those nine kids came from a number of very diverse groups (Tech, Real Estate, Healthcare, Media/Telecom, FIG, Energy&Utilities).
And btw, there are a number of other buyout shops where kids from the more prestigious groups (MS M&A, GS TMT, UBS LA, CS Sponsors) would fill up completely (e.g. KKR, Blackstone, Hellman & Friedman, Apollo). Despite what PEI says, Carlyle is far from the most prestigious firm, and while it is very big, it does not on average see the IRRs of the aforementioned shops throughout their existing buyout funds.
Using IRR
That's something I always wondered. Using an IRR metric, what are the PE shop rankings then? Could someone with access to that information please give at least a rough list of that. Thanks
Bain would be near the top.
Bain would be near the top.
Partial list of IRRs
http://www.insidervc.com/Buyouts1.htm
Re: Using IRR
That's something I always wondered. Using an IRR metric, what are the PE shop rankings then? Could someone with access to that information please give at least a rough list of that. Thanks
tons of information is available from those organizations that are subject to FOIA.
Here is Calpers portfolio:
http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?bc=/investment...
Re: Guys, before you get all
Guys, before you get all excited about the tiers not mattering and what not, you should note that up here Morgan Stanley (top tier) has double that of JP Morgan, which sent the second most kids to Carlyle (12 for MS, 6 for JPM).
Furthermore, it should also be noted that you guys are probably interested in where to associates entering Carlyle's buyout funds come from, in which case the data would be slightly different. Here is that information, directly from the website:
Morgan Stanley – 9
JP Morgan – 5
Goldman Sachs – 3
UBS – 3
Merrill Lynch – 3
Lazard – 3
Credit Suisse – 2
Bear Stearns – 2
Deutsche Bank – 2
Edgeview – 1
Mizuho – 1
Greenhill – 1
Evercore – 1
Blackstone – 1
Moreover, realize that coming from the lower tier banks, it is basically a prereq that you are coming from a top group (M&A/Sponsors/LevFin), and that for MS, those nine kids came from a number of very diverse groups (Tech, Real Estate, Healthcare, Media/Telecom, FIG, Energy&Utilities).
And btw, there are a number of other buyout shops where kids from the more prestigious groups (MS M&A, GS TMT, UBS LA, CS Sponsors) would fill up completely (e.g. KKR, Blackstone, Hellman & Friedman, Apollo). Despite what PEI says, Carlyle is far from the most prestigious firm, and while it is very big, it does not on average see the IRRs of the aforementioned shops throughout their existing buyout funds.
Hmm..no one from Citi went into Carlyle buyout?
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I'm making it up as I go along.
Re: Guys, before you get all
Aspiringmonkey, please post
Here's
Don't worry about it. And
Missed the subcategories...
The size of the BB analyst
some companies such as CS
Quote: "Odd, indeed.
It's everything, not just
For those banks with split
Re: It's everything, not just
RE
Re: For those banks with split
RE
Hey aspiringmonkeyisanidiot,
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