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aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/1/07 at 9:51pm

UBS - Energy
Mckinsey & Co. - NA
NA - NA
NA - NA
Morgan Stanley - NA
Deutsche Bank - Industrials
JP Morgan - Financial Institutions
Citigroup - Credit Transactions
McColl Partners - M&A
Greenhill & Co. - M&A
Morgan Stanley - Venture Capital
Lazard - M&A
JP Morgan - Industrials
Lazard - NA
Credit Suisse - Leveraged Finance
NA - NA
Bear, Stearns & Co. - Global Industries
NA - NA
UBS - M&A
Goldman Sachs - IBD
Roland Berger - M&A
Morgan Stanley - NA
Capital Automotive Real Estate Services - Real Estate
Morgan Stanley - NA
Edgeview Partners - NA
NA - NA
Merrill Lynch - M&A
Deutsche Bank - Leveraged Finance
Merrill Lynch - Leveraged Finance
Boston Capital - Real Estate
Merrill Lynch - Financial Sponsors
Bear Stearns - TMT
NA - NA
Seabulk International - NA
Deutsche Bank - Technology
Merrill Lynch - Real Estate
JPMorgan - Financial Sponsors
Lazard - Restructuring
Morgan Stanley - NA
Stifel Nicolaus - Real Estate
NA - NA
Credit Suisse - Power & Utility
NA - NA
"Merrill Lynch
- NA"
CarrAmerica - Acquisition
Citigroup - Financial Services
Northridge Capital - Real Estate
Bear, Stearns & Co. - Leveraged Finance
Lehman Brothers - Global Power
JPMorgan - Leveraged Finance
Mizuho Securities - Advisory
Citigroup - Global Energy
Lazard - M&A
JP Morgan - M&A
Morgan Stanley - Real Estate
Merrill Lynch - Real Estate
Banc of America Securities - Technology
Credit Suisse - Global Energy
Morgan Stanley - Telecommunications
NA - NA
NA - NA
Morgan Stanley - Healthcare
NA - NA
KSI Management - NA
Morgan Stanley - Global Energy
Credit Suisse - Financial Sponsors
Atlantis Group - Acquisition
Morgan Stanley - M&A
Credit Suisse - M&A
Citigroup - Energy
Bear Stearns - NA
Morgan Stanley - Financial Sponsors
Credit Suisse - Financial Sponsors
Morgan Stanley - Financial Services
Lone Star - NA
UBS - M&A
UBS - NA
NA - NA

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anonrock's picture

you get this off of their

anonrock
      IB
 
(Baboon, 157
 
Points)
 on 6/1/07 at 10:12pm

you get this off of their website?--what the heck does NA - NA refer to?

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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

Yes, it is off their

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/1/07 at 10:17pm

Yes, it is off their website. I had one of the interns make a spreadsheet today -- some of the people didn't go into banking, so the cells had NA -- I just pasted in the entire column.

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smuguy97's picture

Carlyle hired someone from

smuguy97
      PE
 
 
(King Kong, 1,004
 
Points)
 on 6/1/07 at 10:56pm

Carlyle hired someone from Edgeview? Aren't those guys the chop shop of middle market investment banking? Perhaps this individual had some important relatives...

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pookie's picture

am i missing

pookie
     
 
(Monkey, 40
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 12:23am

a point, or some sort of conclusion we are supposed to deduce from this?

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VermontCheese's picture

Is this across all funds? or

VermontCheese
      PE
 
(Senior Monkey, 87
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 12:33am

Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.

From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.

Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.

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opticalcharge's picture

Re: Carlyle hired someone from

opticalcharge
      IB
 
 
(Orangutan, 354
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 2:23am
smuguy97:

Carlyle hired someone from Edgeview? Aren't those guys the chop shop of middle market investment banking? Perhaps this individual had some important relatives...

Odd, indeed. Edgeview isn't that great, but I've seen their pitches and they do look mighty fine.

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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

This is across all funds.

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 2:30am

This is across all funds. Interns/Slaves/Plebes are good. Also, the intern told me that a few of the NA's were CPA's.

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angry_keebler's picture

Re: Is this across all funds? or

angry_keebler
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 93
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 7:11am
VermontCheese:

Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.

From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.

Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.

I think it proves more that the so called "higher tier" BBs really don't have much over the "lower tier" BBs in terms of exit opps. BB experience is BB experience. The "tiers" are simply conjugated by silly little monkeys that are looking for a way to one-up each other.

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riemann's picture

Re: Is this across all funds? or

riemann
      PE
 
(Baboon, 131
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 11:24am
VermontCheese:

Is this across all funds? or just Buyout? I saw at least one RE guy in there who I assume went into their RE fund.

From this you can deduce that Carlyle, a top (THE top according to PEI) PE shop, does not just pull its associates from GS and MS. Also, unless every NA meant consulting, it seems that you have a better shot at getting into Carlyle from a "lower tiered BB" than consulting.

Thanks for the list! Solid use of slave labor.

Ugh. I hate those PEI rankings. I would recommend buying a real database like preqin before you draw any conclusions (http://www.preqin.com/performance_data.aspx).

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Prescott Moncrief III's picture

Guys, before you get all

Prescott Moncri...
     
 
(Baboon, 166
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 4:12pm

Guys, before you get all excited about the tiers not mattering and what not, you should note that up here Morgan Stanley (top tier) has double that of JP Morgan, which sent the second most kids to Carlyle (12 for MS, 6 for JPM).

Furthermore, it should also be noted that you guys are probably interested in where to associates entering Carlyle's buyout funds come from, in which case the data would be slightly different. Here is that information, directly from the website:

Morgan Stanley – 9
JP Morgan – 5
Goldman Sachs – 3
UBS – 3
Merrill Lynch – 3
Lazard – 3
Credit Suisse – 2
Bear Stearns – 2
Deutsche Bank – 2
Edgeview – 1
Mizuho – 1
Greenhill – 1
Evercore – 1
Blackstone – 1

Moreover, realize that coming from the lower tier banks, it is basically a prereq that you are coming from a top group (M&A/Sponsors/LevFin), and that for MS, those nine kids came from a number of very diverse groups (Tech, Real Estate, Healthcare, Media/Telecom, FIG, Energy&Utilities).

And btw, there are a number of other buyout shops where kids from the more prestigious groups (MS M&A, GS TMT, UBS LA, CS Sponsors) would fill up completely (e.g. KKR, Blackstone, Hellman & Friedman, Apollo). Despite what PEI says, Carlyle is far from the most prestigious firm, and while it is very big, it does not on average see the IRRs of the aforementioned shops throughout their existing buyout funds.

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VermontCheese's picture

Using IRR

VermontCheese
      PE
 
(Senior Monkey, 87
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 4:40pm

That's something I always wondered. Using an IRR metric, what are the PE shop rankings then? Could someone with access to that information please give at least a rough list of that. Thanks

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WizardofOz's picture

Bain would be near the top.

WizardofOz
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 473
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 4:45pm

Bain would be near the top.

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Monkeysee's picture

Partial list of IRRs

Monkeysee
     
 
(Monkey, 30
 
Points)
 on 6/2/07 at 5:11pm

http://www.insidervc.com/Buyouts1.htm

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riemann's picture

Re: Using IRR

riemann
      PE
 
(Baboon, 131
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 12:33am
VermontCheese:

That's something I always wondered. Using an IRR metric, what are the PE shop rankings then? Could someone with access to that information please give at least a rough list of that. Thanks

tons of information is available from those organizations that are subject to FOIA.

Here is Calpers portfolio:

http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?bc=/investment...

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Cornelius's picture

Re: Guys, before you get all

Cornelius
     
 
(King Kong, 1,707
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 1:02am
Prescott Moncrief III:

Guys, before you get all excited about the tiers not mattering and what not, you should note that up here Morgan Stanley (top tier) has double that of JP Morgan, which sent the second most kids to Carlyle (12 for MS, 6 for JPM).

Furthermore, it should also be noted that you guys are probably interested in where to associates entering Carlyle's buyout funds come from, in which case the data would be slightly different. Here is that information, directly from the website:

Morgan Stanley – 9
JP Morgan – 5
Goldman Sachs – 3
UBS – 3
Merrill Lynch – 3
Lazard – 3
Credit Suisse – 2
Bear Stearns – 2
Deutsche Bank – 2
Edgeview – 1
Mizuho – 1
Greenhill – 1
Evercore – 1
Blackstone – 1

Moreover, realize that coming from the lower tier banks, it is basically a prereq that you are coming from a top group (M&A/Sponsors/LevFin), and that for MS, those nine kids came from a number of very diverse groups (Tech, Real Estate, Healthcare, Media/Telecom, FIG, Energy&Utilities).

And btw, there are a number of other buyout shops where kids from the more prestigious groups (MS M&A, GS TMT, UBS LA, CS Sponsors) would fill up completely (e.g. KKR, Blackstone, Hellman & Friedman, Apollo). Despite what PEI says, Carlyle is far from the most prestigious firm, and while it is very big, it does not on average see the IRRs of the aforementioned shops throughout their existing buyout funds.

Hmm..no one from Citi went into Carlyle buyout?

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I'm making it up as I go along.

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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

Re: Guys, before you get all

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 2:35am
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Prescott Moncrief III's picture

Aspiringmonkey, please post

Prescott Moncri...
     
 
(Baboon, 166
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 2:55am
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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

Here's

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 3:05am
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Prescott Moncrief III's picture

Don't worry about it. And

Prescott Moncri...
     
 
(Baboon, 166
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 3:20am
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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

Missed the subcategories...

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 3:26am
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angry_keebler's picture

The size of the BB analyst

angry_keebler
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 93
 
Points)
 on 6/3/07 at 3:32pm
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7S's picture

some companies such as CS

7S
      PE
 
 
(Orangutan, 350
 
Points)
 on 6/4/07 at 3:12am
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smuguy97's picture

Quote: "Odd, indeed.

smuguy97
      PE
 
 
(King Kong, 1,004
 
Points)
 on 6/4/07 at 3:48am
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WanganRunner's picture

It's everything, not just

WanganRunner
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 80
 
Points)
 on 6/4/07 at 9:47am
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KaKTy3's picture

For those banks with split

KaKTy3
     
 
(Chimp, 3
 
Points)
 on 6/4/07 at 10:14am
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aspiringmonkeyisanidiot's picture

Re: It's everything, not just

aspiringmonkeyi...
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 426
 
Points)
 on 6/4/07 at 10:17am
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altest's picture

RE

altest
     
 
(Chimp, 8
 
Points)
 on 6/5/07 at 4:36pm
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GameTheory's picture

Re: For those banks with split

GameTheory
      PE
 
 
(King Kong, 1,435
 
Points)
 on 6/6/07 at 1:13am
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bbanalyst's picture

RE

bbanalyst
      IB
 
(Monkey, 40
 
Points)
 on 6/6/07 at 5:16pm
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AgreeWitMe's picture

Hey aspiringmonkeyisanidiot,

AgreeWitMe
     
 
(Orangutan, 363
 
Points)
 on 6/7/07 at 12:13am
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peassociate's picture

Stupid Posts

peassociate
     
 
 
(Chimp, 3
 
Points)
 on 6/7/07 at 1:11pm
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