Cold Feet

For the past year I have been preparing myself to get a job in investment banking. Networking, resumes, interviews - I'v put a ton of work in. I have now received multiple offers at Evercore/ Greenhill / Centerview / Lazard and have to decide in the next week what I want to do.

I can't believe I'm saying this but it's the eleventh hour and I'm starting to get cold feet. It's starting to dawn on me what it means to consistently work 100 hour weeks and I don't know if I'm cut out for it. Am I ready for that type of commitment?

I question what I will think looking back many years from now. Will I be happy that I spent a number of my early years staring at a computer screen? Maybe I will be hugely successful and will look at these years as necessary stepping stones. Or maybe I will look back and think I wasted two years in the prime of my life. My parents think I'm crazy and cannot begin to understand why I want to submit myself to this type of environment. They think I'm in it just for the money and I think it's starting to damage the way they look at me.

It's not that I haven't thought about these things along the way. I have and concluded that these early years were an investment in myself and that it would all be worth it. But now that I have to sign my name on the dotted line I'm feeling less confident about the whole thing.

Has anybody out there ever gotten cold feet? Maybe I'm just having a bad week but part of me wants to walk away. Anybody out there have advice?

 

I'm older than most people here and I don't look back at 22-25 at all. Just don't get married at 27 and you'll have plenty of time and money to enjoy your youth. Sick it up and go set your career on solid footing.

 
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Spending the first two years post-college investing in your career is the absolute best thing you can do for yourself long term. The first couple of years can often dictate the path you're on for your entire career. You're right, it is going to suck. You're going to work long hours. You'll question whether you're truly happy. You'll want to quit.

But when you walk out the door two years later everything will be different. You'll be armed with a skill-set that is relevant to so many different aspects of life. No professional task will seem too difficult for you to complete as you'll have gained tremendous confidence in your abilities. Doors will be open to you that otherwise never would have. Even your personal life will seem easy -- from time management to just "getting things done" -- banking is a crash course in life skills. Two years is a lot to sacrifice. For many people, it is worth it.

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Spending the first two years post-college investing in your career is the absolute best thing you can do for yourself long term. The first couple of years can often dictate the path you're on for your entire career. You're right, it is going to suck. You're going to work long hours. You'll question whether you're truly happy. You'll want to quit.

But when you walk out the door two years later everything will be different. You'll be armed with a skill-set that is relevant to so many different aspects of life. No professional task will seem too difficult for you to complete as you'll have gained tremendous confidence in your abilities. Doors will be open to you that otherwise never would have. Even your personal life will seem easy -- from time management to just "getting things done" -- banking is a crash course in life skills. Two years is a lot to sacrifice. For many people, it is worth it.

CB coming through once again. +1

 

First off - congrats on landing those offers. And don't think you're the only one with those sentiments. I'm pretty sure every person who's received a full-time offer for banking has had mixed feelings signing the dotted lines knowing what's in store over the next 2-3 years.

Just know that you'll still have time to enjoy your early 20's while in banking, albeit not as much as your buddies with "normal" jobs. 100 hrs / week isn't the norm, at least at most places. You're looking more at 70-80 / week on avg, with certain weeks getting completely screwed out of nowhere. Key thing that you'll have to get used to is the sheer unpredictability of the job. No more planning ski trips one month in advance. Or if you do, be mentally prepared to cancel that trip the week of for an IPO bakeoff that probably won't actually launch for another two years.

At the end of the day, if you absolutely end up hating and regretting banking, two years in your early 20's isn't nearly as big of a deal as you think, especially as a guy. You're not really in your "prime" until you hit your mid to late 20's anyways, assuming you take decent care of yourself.

 

Walk away and do what? What are your alternatives at this point? I cannot think of a single entry level job that pays as well and prepares you for such a broad opportunity set. Even if you can suck it up for a year you will be better positioned than the majority of your peers. Explain to your parents that it IS an investment in yourself and your career. Also, I appreciate the fact that it is important to consider the opinions of those you care about but do not let anyone (parents, friends, etc.) dictate (explicitly or inadvertently) the path you choose.

 

I'm in a similar situation to you. I'm not in the US, but I've done an IBD and PE internship at top shops in my country. And I'm proud to say that I will not be going back to the finance industry post graduation.

During that IBD stint, I was just miserable 24/7. Wake up, work, sleep, repeat x 16 weeks. PE was marginally better, but you're still staring at that excel sheet for 60 hours a week. To me, it doesn't make sense. Personally, it is not worth it to sacrifice your soul for 2 years to land a better job where I still won't be happy. After doing these two internships, I realized that I'm just not that interested in the financial markets. I got sucked into the IBD hype.

All that said, I'll be the first to agree that IBD is the best post-graduate career launchpad. You get paid awesomely, and develop real skills. I'm not talking about excel, more like work ethic, time management, perseverance, attention to detail etc. You will come out of IBD a polished individual. If you can get through those 2 years, absolutely do it, hands down. But if it's gonna cost you your soul, that's a different story.

I have about 8 months to graduate and I do think about whether this is the right decision, every day. From the outside, everyone thinks I'm crazy and I'm giving everything away. However, I've lived IBD, I've lived PE and I can safely say that is not the life I want for myself.

 

To be quite honest, I have no idea, but I will try to start my own business / try to join a team doing something I'm passionate about. Sounds cliche, but I really believe you need to pursue what you love and postponing that by one year, two years will put it that much more out of reach. This quote from Steve Jobs' commencement address is particularly relatable at this point in my life:

"I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life."

If I'm going to walk away from something I spent my entire (but short lived so far) adult life building, then I'm going to swing for the fences.

 

You need to stop seeking approval from your parents, I remember when I did, it made life much easier. Ultimately this is going to open up more doors and put your salary negotiations many years ahead of your peers when you get out. You're freaking out because it's the biggest (and possibly first) important commitment you've ever made. I assure you, reneging and taking a job paying 55k/yr with a less than stellar (by comparison) career trajectory, isn't going to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Grow up and get it done.

 

First off, congrats on the offers. Most people hope they can snag one.

Second, relative to those who are unemployed and trying to break in, you're in a great spot. I'm actually quite surprised there hasn't been any troll posts above.

Good luck and let us know when you make your decision.

 

I think getting some level of cold feet before starting any job is natural. Getting used to a new environment, new responsibilities, not having any routine... it's exhausting at first and as intellectually stimulating as we all want our jobs to be, it's nice to not perpetually be out of your comfort zone.

But not making that move is the fastest way to stop your career dead in its tracks and end up with regrets down the line. If you can't overcome your reticence today, what's going to happen with you have to take a far more daunting plunge when it comes to joining a startup, investing in a venture, moving up the responsibility chain or just plain switching jobs? All that takes balls and this is an important step towards growing them.

 

Sounds like you need to evaluate what your end goal is for making you initially aspire after the IB roles you have just recieved offers for. If your goal requires you to put in a couple of hard years and you want it bad enough, then SAC up and proceed. If your end goal is not worth the dedication and sacrifice, then SAC up and decline the offers. It sounds like you are entering IB as a means to an end, all rewards come with a corresponding sacrifice of equal value. The question you need to ask yourself is, "Am I willing to pay the price?"

 

To add my piece: just try it. You clearly wanted it for a reason. If it's terrible and you can't handle it, although people talk about how it's horrible to quit early and looks bad on your resume etc, I'm almost certain that you'll be able to get the other kinds of jobs you may do (if you're talking about 9-5 sort of jobs) after 3-6 months of IB if you only stay that long.

Try it, stick it out if you can. If it really sucks the soul out of your life as you claim, move on.

Finally, and this is an important one - I think (for me personally) working hard and enjoying myself on weekends etc with a good amount of money whenever I get the chance beats working 40-50 hours a week, having lots of spare time (that most people waste on fb/watching tv etc anyway) and much less money now (and likely forever) hands down. People overestimate the benefits of having additional spare time and much less money in their early 20s - trust me, you will enjoy your later 20s and the rest of your life much more (most likely) in many ways (career, money etc) than you will enjoy having some extra time and less money for those 2 years

 

It's good to have these thoughts before diving into your career. I will say this, investment banking is one of the best places to be in especially if you don't know what you want to do after. Like many people have said before, it opens a lot of doors, and it gives you invaluable training and experience.

I would submit another point: you will make friends for life at these banks. It won't just be you working 100 hour weeks, but your entire class, your rank, your junior bankers. I might have left my old firm, but they are still my closest friends. And as you succeed together, you'll help each other rise in your careers (and not just in finance).

Take the plunge dude. The ocean might seem scary at first, but after you've swam out there, no swimming pool will ever be able to satisfy you.

--Death, lighter than a feather; duty, heavier than a mountain
 

Congrats on the offers.

I am just offering my opinion. There is no such thing as a perfect job. Even if you started out in something you like, there is no guarantee that you will enjoy doing it forever. On the contrary, you probably got into an industry where the only upside is compensation but gradually grow to like what you do.

If you are interested in finance and doing related works, I would say that IB is a good place to start. Other than the long hours, you do get to learn things about different companies and industries. It doesn't have to be about money. The experience is way more valuable.

 

I feel like the OP is trolling everyone. Otherwise why come to a site where damn near everyone is jonesing for a shot at what he has just to post that he doesn't want them because he feels old at 21?

 

It's very normal. Going into banking means giving yourself completely a full 110% (that extra 10% is a part of you you didnt even realize you had but banking will demand it from you) to your job for 2 years. That is tough as fuck and not fun at all BUT if you can make it through those 2 years life gets better. Big bag of money for someone in his mid-twenties and great exit opps.

So what I'd do in your position is take the job. You've not done all this hard work for nothing right? Just try it and if you really fucking hate it switch to something else before the 2 years end. Also, don't choose the firm based on pay or prestige but pick it based on the people you liked the most. Analysts years suck, but the people you work with can make a massive difference.

 

Hey everybody,

I want to thank you all for your advice. I have spent a lot of time thinking over the past few days and have decided to accept the full-time offer. I know in my heart that this is the right thing to do. It will be hard but I believe that there is tremendous growth that comes from the struggle. When I am feeling pain at the office late at night I will know that I am becoming stronger relative to my 9-5 peers. These first years are an investment in myself. The work I put in now will pay dividends for the rest of my life. There will be plenty of time to enjoy my twenties.

You all reaffirmed these things for me and I appreciate that.

That being said -I am happy I took these days to reassess the pros and cons of the job. I also believe that it is important to check yourself every once and a while to be sure that you are not drinking the WSO kool-aid and that this is really what you want. This is surely a significant decision and a job that requires all of yourself. The second you begin doubting the reasons you signed up for it your life becomes miserable. You will fail at your job.

There is more to life than work - that I do believe. There will come a time when I choose to walk away from this mess and take time to appreciate the finer things in life but I agree that it is important to achieve a resume to fall back on and some financial stability first.

I am also glad that I took the time to listen to the concerns of my parents. There is a difference between seeking their approval and taking their concerns seriously. I respect the hell out of my parents and understand that they have had far more life experiences than I. Anybody that chooses to ignore the advice of those that arguably know you better than anybody and have seen 2x as much as you is crazy in my book. My parents have provided me more wisdom over the course of my life than I can begin to appreciate.

Thank you again for the heartfelt advice from many of you. I'd like to extend a cordial fuck you to those that were less then helpful.

Here's to the roller coaster that awaits. Thanks WSO.

 

Cool post. One thing I will say is that many people forget that everything comes down to attitude, and while everybody complains about banking (and your post referring to it as a "mess" seems to put you in that camp), you should keep in mind it doesn't have to be unenjoyable. Sure, I've had some nights where I'm up at 4 doing some relatively meaningless task or have had weekends where my best friend has visited from out of town and I've spent literally all weekend at work, and those moments suck, but overall I really enjoy banking and choose to focus on the good parts (learning experience, developing close friendships, money etc) - will definitely make my 2 years (and likely longer, as I'm considering staying i banking) much, much easier. Although I've only done banking for ~6 months or so (posted this so no-one says oh it's only been 1 month, just wait) I can see myself really enjoying my entire stint (whether I stay or leave) and I don't think banking has to be as bad or as much of a sacrifice (in terms of enjoyment) as people here make it out to be.

 

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