College Sports Dynasties: The Rises, the Falls, and the Resurrections

I hope avid fans of college sports dynasties can relate to this.

The loss of luster of many schools that absolutely dominated in their respective sports in earlier eras is an ordeal many supporters and alumni shed tears over.

I am an IU alumni and almost every game over the past 3 years has been heartbreaking. As a basketball powerhouse in the 70s and 80s I, along with many sports fanatics consider this school to be a dynasty. Ever since Bob Knight left we've been trying to get back what once was. Of course this doesn't stop me from talking shit to other fans, especially in the Big 10. I will recite the fact that IU is still the last college basketball team to go completely undefeated and win the championship. Without team loyalty through the good and the bad, what do we sports fans have (besides alcohol)?

So I ask you: are past successes indicative of a cyclical golden era? Will I ever see the Hoosiers again on CBS near the end of March? Or do you attribute it only to someone (Bob Knight) who carried a dynasty to such heights? And which schools break your heart (of course disclosure of your alma mater is unnecessary)?

With March madness coming up and my hopes of making the championship non-existant at this point, what're your thoughts?

 

Cyclical in all sports. Notre Dame football and IU basketball will return to greatness this decade. Awful year for the Hoosiers (with a few surprising wins against ranked opponents), but Crean's recruiting has been fantastic. He has taken back Indiana recruits (who have been going to Ohio State since Mike Davis), and this includes some top 10 nationally ranked kids. Look for IU to be back in the tournament within 4 years, probably sooner. Crean's passion, combined with significant improvements on the roster, will make for a comeback.

Notre Dame football is an even easier call. Kelly has been the first coach since sweet Dr. Lou to actually tap into the hearts of his players. This led to 4 flawless wins at the end of the season, all with the 1st-string QB, RB, and TE out, and includes wins against: USC, #14 Utah, and Miami in a bowl game. With his off-season recruiting (got the best DEs in the country, including 2 from SEC land), and keeping Michael Floyd, look for them in a BCS game this upcoming season.

 
ThaVanBurenBoyz:
Cyclical in all sports. Notre Dame football and IU basketball will return to greatness this decade. Awful year for the Hoosiers (with a few surprising wins against ranked opponents), but Crean's recruiting has been fantastic. He has taken back Indiana recruits (who have been going to Ohio State since Mike Davis), and this includes some top 10 nationally ranked kids. Look for IU to be back in the tournament within 4 years, probably sooner. Crean's passion, combined with significant improvements on the roster, will make for a comeback.

Notre Dame football is an even easier call. Kelly has been the first coach since sweet Dr. Lou to actually tap into the hearts of his players. This led to 4 flawless wins at the end of the season, all with the 1st-string QB, RB, and TE out, and includes wins against: USC, #14 Utah, and Miami in a bowl game. With his off-season recruiting (got the best DEs in the country, including 2 from SEC land), and keeping Michael Floyd, look for them in a BCS game this upcoming season.

I've been saying since the beginning of this year that ND would be back in a BCS bowl in 3 years and a championship game within 5. So excited to see kelly's spread offense when the players are comfortable in the system. The last 4 games of the year they looked better and better. They destroyed the U in the bowl game, but I think both teams will rise to prominence again and the Catholics v. Convicts at Soldier field in 2012 could have 2 BCS teams playing each other.

 
brownbanker:
College Sports Dynsties: The Rises, the Falls, and the Ressurections

Two typos in just one headline.

Kidding aside, I'm interested.

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The OP is looking at this the wrong way. It's a different era now. It's all about the talent these days. The players are now more so their own entities than they've ever been, they've pretty much overtaken the schools. The unit was once the institution, now it's the individual player. The whole idea of Notre Dame and Indiana, those are gone with the rise of the player.

It's no longer about the history, it's what's in the player's head. It's as much determined by fad now than ever before. Lebron James said he would've went to Akron. In the past that would have been unthinkable, for how could the best player not go to the best school? Now, it's about LBJ can go to Akron because it doesn't matter where he goes, it's all about him. Calipari could convince Derrick Rose to go to Memphis because Derrick wanted to bring Memphis up, because he was Derrick Rose and he could, it was all about him. In the past, a Jadeveon Clowney wouldn't turn down an Alabama to go to S. Carolina, now he can because it's all about him.
It was once that the school would make you, players today have it in their minds that they're going to make a school. A down IU program once benefitted from this as well with Eric Gordon (who's a beast btw.)

The idea of cycles is dead. Obviously it's not completely random. LSU and Florida State still rake in the talent because of where they are situated. The good schools are in a great situation now, but the great schools of the past are going to have a very hard time rekindling what they once were. Those schools don't exist anymore in the mindset of the players. Yeah, a certain coach can help turn things around, but the past has less bearing on the future than ever before. Expect the future to be far more random, and expect some schools that are not in a situation conducive to the current idea of "player first" (see Notre Dame) to really disappear from the discussion altogether.

 
rebelcross:
The OP is looking at this the wrong way. It's a different era now. It's all about the talent these days. The players are now more so their own entities than they've ever been, they've pretty much overtaken the schools. The unit was once the institution, now it's the individual player. The whole idea of Notre Dame and Indiana, those are gone with the rise of the player.

It's no longer about the history, it's what's in the player's head. It's as much determined by fad now than ever before. Lebron James said he would've went to Akron. In the past that would have been unthinkable, for how could the best player not go to the best school? Now, it's about LBJ can go to Akron because it doesn't matter where he goes, it's all about him. Calipari could convince Derrick Rose to go to Memphis because Derrick wanted to bring Memphis up, because he was Derrick Rose and he could, it was all about him. In the past, a Jadeveon Clowney wouldn't turn down an Alabama to go to S. Carolina, now he can because it's all about him.
It was once that the school would make you, players today have it in their minds that they're going to make a school. A down IU program once benefitted from this as well with Eric Gordon (who's a beast btw.)

The idea of cycles is dead. Obviously it's not completely random. LSU and Florida State still rake in the talent because of where they are situated. The good schools are in a great situation now, but the great schools of the past are going to have a very hard time rekindling what they once were. Those schools don't exist anymore in the mindset of the players. Yeah, a certain coach can help turn things around, but the past has less bearing on the future than ever before. Expect the future to be far more random, and expect some schools that are not in a situation conducive to the current idea of "player first" (see Notre Dame) to really disappear from the discussion altogether.

Some interesting points are brought up with this post but I think you are overlooking the ability of coaches to convince these players to come to their school. See Jim Harbaug(sp?) at Stanford bringing a pretty bad team into a BCS winning team in just a few seasons. I do agree with the whole player first mentality being detrimental to many teams, but I don't think Notre Dame will ever "really disappear from the discussion" with such a storied tradition. Keep in mind it is a highly aclaimed academic institution, which can swing some of the players in the diretion of that school (the ones who can get in at least.) Love them or hate them, college football would be worse off without a storied program like Notre Dame.

 
rebelcross:
The OP is looking at this the wrong way. It's a different era now. It's all about the talent these days. The players are now more so their own entities than they've ever been, they've pretty much overtaken the schools. The unit was once the institution, now it's the individual player. The whole idea of Notre Dame and Indiana, those are gone with the rise of the player.

It's no longer about the history, it's what's in the player's head. It's as much determined by fad now than ever before. Lebron James said he would've went to Akron. In the past that would have been unthinkable, for how could the best player not go to the best school? Now, it's about LBJ can go to Akron because it doesn't matter where he goes, it's all about him. Calipari could convince Derrick Rose to go to Memphis because Derrick wanted to bring Memphis up, because he was Derrick Rose and he could, it was all about him. In the past, a Jadeveon Clowney wouldn't turn down an Alabama to go to S. Carolina, now he can because it's all about him.
It was once that the school would make you, players today have it in their minds that they're going to make a school. A down IU program once benefitted from this as well with Eric Gordon (who's a beast btw.)

The idea of cycles is dead. Obviously it's not completely random. LSU and Florida State still rake in the talent because of where they are situated. The good schools are in a great situation now, but the great schools of the past are going to have a very hard time rekindling what they once were. Those schools don't exist anymore in the mindset of the players. Yeah, a certain coach can help turn things around, but the past has less bearing on the future than ever before. Expect the future to be far more random, and expect some schools that are not in a situation conducive to the current idea of "player first" (see Notre Dame) to really disappear from the discussion altogether.

Rebel, I agree with you that recently the focal point has been on the individual rather than the institution. Recent years have seen prominent players come into programs and turn them around. But can you really undermine the power of the school? I can understand the ambtions of a young hotshot player trying to turn around a crumbling program, so he goes there instead of already established teams. But what about wanting to be a part of a historically great basketball school- potentially going to the NBA as well? You have to give credit to the schools and their coaches who, for the most part are taking appropriate measures to nurture these talents so that they can excel at a national level.

Either way, call me a romantic but I believe in tradition. If you went to Assembly Hall in Bloomington during the 2009-2010 season, you could feel the passion of the fans despite shameful losses.

Props to the EG shoutout. Gordon along with Griffin (and Davis I guess) are really making the Clippers an exciting team to watch.

 
brownbanker:
[Props to the EG shoutout. Gordon along with Griffin (and Davis I guess) are really making the Clippers an exciting team to watch.

Actually Deandre Jordan and Bledsoe are doing work for that team as well. Craig Smith is also a beast among children and Aminu is very talented. I can't imagine why they traded Camby last year. They'd have the most frightening front court in the NBA if they still had him. As my team, the Rockets, is mired in mediocrity this year, the Clips have been a fun team to adopt and root for on the side. Zebo's been fun to root for too down in Memphis.

 
rebelcross:
The OP is looking at this the wrong way. It's a different era now. It's all about the talent these days. The players are now more so their own entities than they've ever been, they've pretty much overtaken the schools. The unit was once the institution, now it's the individual player. The whole idea of Notre Dame and Indiana, those are gone with the rise of the player.

I couldn't agree more. Look at the true dynasties in the sense of multiple championships in a very short window (like USC football). They come with a couple of beastly recruiting classes, and then they're gone. Look at Miami football: they churned out like 40 NFL draft picks in a 2-3 year window, almost put together back-to-back titles, and now they're a middle-of-the-road ACC team. There's no reason to think they'll return to that level, either.

Indiana, Notre Dame, and the like will probably return to being good, but there's no reason to believe that Indiana will return to the heights it enjoyed under Bobby Knight. How many runs like that have there ever been? Five? The chances that the next one will end up at a school that already had one is next to zero. Duke or maybe Kansas are the closest thing to a dynasty now, but why should Indiana be the third one to join them? The way I see it, it was a great run, not a reflection of the underlying greatness of the program.

The people who believe that Indiana/ND/etc. have some special cachet to players are, for the most part, much older than the kids signing with colleges now. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant for 15 years (no, getting whipped by USC in a bunch of "biggest games of the year" doesn't count), and the last time Indiana was a true powerhouse (with the exception of that Tom Coverdale/Jared Jeffries final four run), current HS players were in preschool or younger. Those programs might compete with other schools for players based on system, playing time, coaching staff, etc., but the je ne sais quoi that let them get a rockstar class every year just isn't there anymore: it's at Kentucky and Kansas, Alabama and LSU. And even then, superstars doing what's best for themselves end up at surprising places pretty regularly (see OJ Mayo at USC, Da'Quan Bowers at Clemson, Jadeveon Clowney at South Carolina, etc.). Like Curt Schilling said, mystique and aura are just two dancers in a nightclub: players don't care who had a dynasty 20 years ago.

One of those lights, slightly brighter than the rest, will be my wingtip passing over.
 

To the romatics above who believe in Notre Dame's storied tradition, I have a feeling that my grandfather was saying the same thing about Army some 30 years ago. The system changed then and it's chaned again now. You think a Jadeveon Clowney knows anything about Notre Dame's storied tradition other than the fact that it "has a storied tradition?" You think a monster like Drake Nevis can name one player from that last Notre Dame team that won the NC? Do you really believe a Desean Jackson has ever spent one second of his life caring about Notre Dame's storied past? Well guess what...at the college level Desean Jackson wins games. And what do you think happens when when Marshawn Lynch's best friend tells him to stay local and they can still run the streets during the year, or when Demarcus Ware and his cousin are watching TV and his cousin says "look how hot those Troy uniforms are, imagine wearing those and just beasting on people all day"? You think maybe that resonates a little more with the players of today. Absolutely. Especially a manchild like Jadeveon Clowney who's thinking to himself "Bruce Smith had his school, Reggie White had his, now I'm gonna make this school in my image."

What do you think resonates more with athletes of today, I'll give you two choices: (A) The movie "Rudy" (B) That segment from the documentary "The U" where Miami embarrassed Texas in the Cotton Bowl, was penalized for about 200 yards, danced all over the field and at one point Randal Hill caught a touchdown pass, ran into the tunnel turned around and did a "gun-shooting dance" towards the other team and the officials

The answer to that question pretty much tells you that the idea of college sports as you once knew it is dead, and the new player-first regime is hear to stay.

To the poster above who mentioned the coahces. I absolutely agree that coaches can make a serious impact, it'd be foolish to deny that. Imagine if Belichick decided to go to go coach Boston College how crazy their recruiting class would be? Players would flock. Some coaches reallly have a talent for the college game. Look at what Izzo's done at MSU regardless of recruiting class rank. That kind of consistency in this era is almost mind boggling. But that's just the thing, it's "this era," and while coaches do make a significant impact it's not what it once could have been. Due to the player-first nature of today, it's just so much harder to remain consistent than it once was, because it's far more random now.

 

For those knockin' the ND style, do you follow recruiting at all? Kelly's swag is beyond tradition, he is definitely "modernizing" the program. Spread-style offense, faster athletes, more "diverse" roster (wink, wink). He stole a recruit from PSU at 4am (literally). Got 2, 5* DEs from SEC land (one of which committed to FSU after being told by the FSU staff that he was too dumb for ND, ND's coach flipped him back in 1 home visit).

Also got a Vick-style QB from South Carolina. Kid is fast, and threw distances in high school reserved for college upper-classmen.

And as another poster noted, the school-based pitch still works. Harbaugh was successful with it at Stanford, who closed out a great recruiting class, even with him gone. I think IU bball and ND fball, current regimes excluded, have just had lazy staffs who RELIED on traditions. Both currently have a fire in their bellies, and it's paying off with recruiting.

 

Look I have nothing against ND, I don't have the same hate for them that a lot of people have. I could care less one way or the other, but don't be such a homer. Do something and then we'll talk. I stand by what I said about them. Kelly's style hasn't quite "worked" yet, they're just what they've been and they're going nowhere fast. And two 5* recruits is nice (despite the fact that one of them doesn't look to good to me, reminds me of the kinds of 5* recruits that USC.) If school-based approach works then tell me where ND's been for the past 20 years when that's ALL they've been able to try and sell people. Tell me why Harvard never became anything, better yet, go use your school-based pitch on a Desean Jackson see where that gets you. Not so sure it was as much a school-based approach in Harbaugh's case (considering the school has zero football tradition) as it was a function of the fact that Harbaugh's name is very recogjnizable and he's a bright guy.

ND has a lot to prove before we start saying anything positive about them. Like A LOT to prove. Right now, it's all just hot air and blind homerism from one corner or blind hate from the other. Fact remains they're mired in nothingness and nothing suggests that's going to chance. In fact, looking at the current state of college football it seems like it should get worse. Time will tell, until then, let's stick to what we have seen up until now.

 
rebelcross:
Look I have nothing against ND, I don't have the same hate for them that a lot of people have. I could care less one way or the other, but don't be such a homer. Do something and then we'll talk. I stand by what I said about them. Kelly's style hasn't quite "worked" yet, they're just what they've been and they're going nowhere fast. And two 5* recruits is nice (despite the fact that one of them doesn't look to good to me, reminds me of the kinds of 5* recruits that USC.) If school-based approach works then tell me where ND's been for the past 20 years when that's ALL they've been able to try and sell people. Tell me why Harvard never became anything, better yet, go use your school-based pitch on a Desean Jackson see where that gets you. Not so sure it was as much a school-based approach in Harbaugh's case (considering the school has zero football tradition) as it was a function of the fact that Harbaugh's name is very recogjnizable and he's a bright guy.

ND has a lot to prove before we start saying anything positive about them. Like A LOT to prove. Right now, it's all just hot air and blind homerism from one corner or blind hate from the other. Fact remains they're mired in nothingness and nothing suggests that's going to chance. In fact, looking at the current state of college football it seems like it should get worse. Time will tell, until then, let's stick to what we have seen up until now.

I agree with the whole time will tell idea, but belive there are many signs that show they can come out of the "nothingness" they are in right now. Keep in mind it takes players time to learn the offensive system in place. All of the players started running the spread in the summer and it looked shaky the first few games but they eventually learned and the offense looked a lot better. Also, he was running the spread with Weis' recruits.Not saying they were bad players, the just fit better in a different style of play. When Kelly's recruits come we can see how good ND will really be, but I do not think it is unrealistic to think they will be nothing next year, I honestly think they have a chance at a BCS or another really solid bowl this coming year.

As for the school thing and why Harvard isnt good then we need to look at the admissions process. Schools like ND and Stanford, in my opinion(i dont have anyhting to back this up but I am fairly certain they do) let players into the school that they would never have gotten into without sports. That being said, they still have some standards to get in (maybe a 23 on the ACT instead of a 33 for regular students, again made up). I'm pretty sure Harvard is much harder to get in to, even for the athletes and as a result they have a much more limited pool of possible football players.

 
SV4lax:
ND has a lot to prove before we start saying anything positive about them. Like A LOT to prove. Right now, it's all just hot air and blind homerism from one corner or blind hate from the other. Fact remains they're mired in nothingness and nothing suggests that's going to chance. In fact, looking at the current state of college football it seems like it should get worse. Time will tell, until then, let's stick to what we have seen up until now.

I agree with the whole time will tell idea, but belive there are many signs that show they can come out of the "nothingness" they are in right now. Keep in mind it takes players time to learn the offensive system in place. All of the players started running the spread in the summer and it looked shaky the first few games but they eventually learned and the offense looked a lot better. Also, he was running the spread with Weis' recruits.Not saying they were bad players, the just fit better in a different style of play. When Kelly's recruits come we can see how good ND will really be, but I do not think it is unrealistic to think they will be nothing next year, I honestly think they have a chance at a BCS or another really solid bowl this coming year.

As for the school thing and why Harvard isnt good then we need to look at the admissions process. Schools like ND and Stanford, in my opinion(i dont have anyhting to back this up but I am fairly certain they do) let players into the school that they would never have gotten into without sports. That being said, they still have some standards to get in (maybe a 23 on the ACT instead of a 33 for regular students, again made up). I'm pretty sure Harvard is much harder to get in to, even for the athletes and as a result they have a much more limited pool of possible football players.

Notre Dame is much stricter about admitting athletes than Stanford is. That's part of the reason they've been so bad for so long. And again, to all the romaticists out there that see great things for Notre Dame or think Indiana will be great again because they go to Indiana....it's all hot air. It means nothing. I can make an argument for every school in the nation, every one has good athletes and recruits that are impressive one way or the other. This is a discussion about the state of college sports, and I think it's fair to state the current state is detrimental to many of the powers of the past and it seems to be getting worse and worse. Let these schools prove something until I hear everything is fine and dandy. Until then, the player wins in this generation, and certain schools benefit because of that.

Still want to hang onto nostalgia and think the past has any bearing on the future in today's NCAA? Well then I have a ticket to next year's Army vs. Minnesota National Championship Game with your name on it.

 
ThaVanBurenBoyz:
What do you mean Kelly's style hasn't worked yet? He's only been there 1 year, and he went 12-0 the year before @ Cinci.
I think Kelly will end up bringing ND back, but Rich Rod's style sure worked well at WVU, not so much at Michigan. Kelly has shown that he can recruit, but Charlie Weis pulled in great recruiting classes too. We'll see if he can coach them to their potential.
 

I thought you meant Kelly's style is working for Notre Dame. Kelly did a good job with Cincy. For Notre Dame I'm saying the same thing you are...wait and see before you make any bold predictions. His first year was more of the same for them...I'll give him a pass, I'll give him a pass on next year too, but we've seen nothing to suggest that his approach or anything at this point is working for Notre Dame.

 

As a current IU student I am very aware of Indiana's basketball history and cyclicality. My time here probably won't result in anything special (my hope is to see them in the tournament before I graduate). However, I know that we will return to greatness eventually. We do not have a football team, the only sport people care about here is basketball. IU is throwing as much money towards every aspect of basketball as they possibly can. As long as they keep throwing absurd amounts of money towards it, the program will improve. We are having better and better recruits each year.

While there is only one Bobby Knight, there are enough qualified coaches out there that when all the other peices fall into place we will again see ourselves on top. It is a matter of time.

 

This is a discussion about how cyclical success is in school sports. That was the question the OP asked. Forget Notre Dame football for now, look at their basketball team this year. They're going to be a 2-seed (they were relevant last under Digger Phelps). Look at Florida State football, they just got the #2 recruiting class in the country, and they haven't been relevant since Notre Dame was relevant.

As for IU, they have Zeller coming in next year (#20 overall, going to win Mr. Basketball Indiana), and in 2012: Perea (#10 overall), Ferrell (#17 overall), and 2 other top 150 players. Are they going to win a championship anytime soon? No, but they're going to be relevant and in the tournament. Crean knows how to play today's game, kids know him as the guy that coached Dwayne Wade.

 

^^^I don't think you're trying to be facetious but the idea of school sports being cyclical and whether or not that's still the case is directly related to the current state of recruiting in the sport itself.

Yes ND basketball is having a great year (amazing for them), and FSU always has great recruiting classes and they always will because they one of the best situations in college sports (check their recruiting classes over the past decade, all good, though this year was especially ridiculous.) Whether or not they can make that translate into wins is another story, but they have all the tools at their disposal. The U always big time recruiting classes too (this has been one of worst years over the last decade, believe it or not.) I also do believe IU basketball is in a better situation than most of the past powers due to the fact that they are a big state school and located near Indianapolis, Gary, Lansing, Chicago and some of the other big talent spots, but time will tell if they can put it together again, which they haven't really shown an ability to do. Their situation reminds me a lot of Pitt football, another program that has all the tools...just has self-destructed from within.

Nobody's saying it's impossible for schools of the past that were good to never be good again. Or schools that are not good now not to have good years. It's more about the grand scheme of things and overall trends in the sport and how those trends effect these schools' recruiting classes over time.

By the way, I agree with you, Crean is pretty good. He was doing big things before Wade ever got to Marquette.

 

I agree with you rebelcross, and I wasn't being facetious. I have admittedly been sipping kool-aid this year, something I haven't done before. But, I agree, we need to see some results before really concluding anything. Mark me down for a 10-win season for the Irish in the fall. Please, bump this in my face if I'm wrong (I will have deserved it).

 
ThaVanBurenBoyz:
I agree with you rebelcross, and I wasn't being facetious. I have admittedly been sipping kool-aid this year, something I haven't done before. But, I agree, we need to see some results before really concluding anything. Mark me down for a 10-win season for the Irish in the fall. Please, bump this in my face if I'm wrong (I will have deserved it).

lol, how much can I put you down for at 75/1 to win it all?

 
rebelcross:
ThaVanBurenBoyz:
I agree with you rebelcross, and I wasn't being facetious. I have admittedly been sipping kool-aid this year, something I haven't done before. But, I agree, we need to see some results before really concluding anything. Mark me down for a 10-win season for the Irish in the fall. Please, bump this in my face if I'm wrong (I will have deserved it).

lol, how much can I put you down for at 75/1 to win it all?

Ill throw in 10 bucks at 75-1 odds for nd next year. Lose 10 or win 750? I like it

 

^^^I like that, one thing I have to hand it to ND fans. Sure are passionate. I've seen grown men literally on the floor with head in hands after a meaningless loss during a 6-6 season.

I grew up rooting for Miami, where there's really just no sense of anything fanhood, (and no I don't care about Catholics vs. Convicts, was too young when that rivalry ever meant anything.)

 

I HATE Syracuse lacrosse with a passion...I grew up in Jersey and have always been a Princeton fan. I loved the rivalry between those two teams in the late 1990's and early 2000's when it seemed like they would meet in the championship game every year. I loved the era spanning 20 years or so when only 4 teams won championships (Princeton, 'Cuse, UVa, and Hopkins), but now with increased parity in D1 lacrosse, I think it has taken away from some of the old rivalries, but I have to say it's good for the sport. Fuck Duke, though. Hate those fuckers...

 

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