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Columbia MBA apps down 19% for Class of 2014
 

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 on 9/3/12 at 5:00am
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http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/mba/admissions/classp...

Columbia applications down from 6669 to 5409 - about 19% .

Selectivity, assuming they accepted 1060 students (as they did last year) to give them the target size of 750 students, jumps a massive 4 percentage points in one year to 20%!

GMAT avg, 80% range and Gpa all remained the same however.

edit: Hi Businessweek!!

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BTbanker's picture

Looks like Brady convinced

IB
 
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 on 8/28/12 at 10:15pm

Looks like Brady convinced all of the WSO demo that HBS is the answer to our prayers.

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A year ago I would have made

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 on 8/29/12 at 12:19am

A year ago I would have made a snarky comment about Columbia with my state school background, but said comments would make me an asshole now that I am in grad school and have to be more respectful.

First off, how did HBS, Chicago Booth, and Sloan applications look? There is a bubble in education right now, and top tier MBA apps may have gone down.

One of the big drivers of insecurity on the personal level is trying to copy/be somebody else. When I was in junior high and high school, my parents would always compare me against this other kid in my grade. They wanted me to be like him, and it drove me crazy.

Columbia needs to stop trying to copy Harvard. Chicago and MIT to some extent did that decades ago when the East Coast schools switched to a more postmodern ethos and Chicago stuck to a more conservative philosophy.

What if Columbia's philosophy became the notion that your life's worth is defined by how much you make other peoples' lives better. Columbia can become the NGO MBA school and attract a bunch of people who will turn down Harvard for CBS, not unlike the ~50 who turn down HBS for Booth.

Princeton and Yale don't try to copy Harvard. Stanford, MIT, Chicago, and Wharton don't either. That's why they're destination schools for various disciplines. Columbia's attempts to copy other schools rather than stand in its own right unfairly undermines the confidence of their students and breeds insecurity.

If you know somebody that knows somebody on the Columbia board, consider giving them an idea:

"Columbia: Men and Women for others."

When life is about other people and THEIR struggles, it's tough to have an inferiority complex. Especially if you have an M7 MBA or top ten undergrad degree. Columbia students are too smart (many being smarter than me) to be saddled with worries that their school might not be as good as Harvard or Stanford or Wharton. Their school should be their school, and it stands for something that no better school stands for.

I at least feel that way about Illinois. Illinois stands for business and engineering competence among the middle-class, and I would not willingly trade that degree for one that had MIT or Harvard on it.

Let's have Columbia be the Ivy that stands for philanthropy. Five years after it loses its copy-Harvard-and-Yale-and-other-schools strategy, it will be mentioned in the same sentence as those schools.

Columbians should be proud of the fact that they went to Columbia, which stands for Philanthropy (or something else). Harvard doesn't stand for that, and Columbians would like to keep their degrees, thank you very much, not trade them for another school's. People that brilliant shouldn't be reduced to that level of insecurity.

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19% more people are missing

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 on 8/29/12 at 12:31am

19% more people are missing out on the best 2 years of their lives

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Harvard went from 9134 to

AM
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 on 8/29/12 at 1:04am

Harvard went from 9134 to 8963, decrease of 2%

Wharton went from 6442 to 6408, decrease of 0.5%

Stern went from 5222 to 3907, decrease of 25%

Not sure about other schools, but this may be a NYC phenomenon.

(I thought the Yale MBA stood for philanthropy?)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?

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 on 8/29/12 at 7:38am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDsDQCfZQ-I

Only school I won't apply to in the M7. In fact, you couldn't pay me to go there.

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Are people just thinking

ER
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 7:40am

Are people just thinking H/S/W or bust these days? Or Chicago > NYC? No stats out yet for Booth or Kellogg. Curious where these ~1,200 applicants went.

As a CBS '15 applicant, not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing...

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What no one likes to party

HF
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 8:36am

What no one likes to party anymore?

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Wonder if it was more to do

IA
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 9:09am

Wonder if it was more to do with the downturn on Wall Street. Potential students saying fuck ibd and wallstreet i'll go to to So and So B-school and get a job at F500 or Bain/Mckiney, etc.

On that note wonder if Stanford applicants went up.

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btw anyone got the yield rate

IA
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 9:28am

btw anyone got the yield rate stats from the m7.

EDIT: found 1.5 year old info for it if anyone else is interested
http://poetsandquants.com/2011/04/22/the-50-most-s...

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"So and So B-school" and get

IB
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 11:38am

"So and So B-school" and get a job at F500 or Bain/McKiney?

Since when did so - and - so bschools place into Bain/McKinsey (try to spell it right)? I'm so confused by these banker types that think top consulting firms are a fall back option for people who couldn't do banking. You do realize they are at least as competitive, right?

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Apologies, Stern went from

AM
(Monkey, 54
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 1:58pm

Apologies, Stern went from 4416 to 3907, decrease of 11.5%

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wannabeaballer: http://www.yo

CF
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 on 8/29/12 at 2:05pm
wannabeaballer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDsDQCfZQ-I

Only school I won't apply to in the M7. In fact, you couldn't pay me to go there.

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Interesting that MBA apps

HF
(Neanderthal, 3,158
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 2:18pm

Interesting that MBA apps were down this past year, even though the economy is still fairly weak.

My guess is that booth/kellogg are taking a lot of cross-admits away from columbia. Booth especially has been on the rise and is very close behind Wharton. Columbia's main problems are that its building is very old and outdated, but more importantly, it lacks the sense of community that pervades other b-schools.

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Brady4MVP: Interesting that

EN
 
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 on 8/29/12 at 3:09pm
Brady4MVP:

Interesting that MBA apps were down this past year, even though the economy is still fairly weak.

My guess is that booth/kellogg are taking a lot of cross-admits away from columbia. Booth especially has been on the rise and is very close behind Wharton. Columbia's main problems are that its building is very old and outdated, but more importantly, it lacks the sense of community that pervades other b-schools.

What b-school would you say has the best sense of community?

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Guest1655: Brady4MVP: Inter

HF
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 on 8/29/12 at 3:19pm
Guest1655:
Brady4MVP:

Interesting that MBA apps were down this past year, even though the economy is still fairly weak.

My guess is that booth/kellogg are taking a lot of cross-admits away from columbia. Booth especially has been on the rise and is very close behind Wharton. Columbia's main problems are that its building is very old and outdated, but more importantly, it lacks the sense of community that pervades other b-schools.

What b-school would you say has the best sense of community?

Among the top 10 programs, probably Tuck, followed by kellogg and hbs. Tuck has the highest alumni giving rate out of any b-school; its small size and remote location foster a very strong sense of community.

With columbia and stern, a lot of the students lived in NYC before school and thus have their own social circle coming in. I've heard this complaint from multiple columbia and stern students. Although they still had fun, there definitely is not a sense that everyone is in this together or the sense of camraderie.

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IlliniProgrammer: What if

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Brady4MVP: Guest1655: Bra

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DagwoodDeluxe: IlliniProgra

HF
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 on 8/29/12 at 4:03pm
Boothorbust's picture

There is no way ~50 people

O
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 on 8/29/12 at 6:04pm
tjz's picture

The stats are wrong. It

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 on 8/30/12 at 5:37am
DCFwacc's picture

It looks to me like the 5409

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 on 8/30/12 at 7:17am
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These stats don't take the

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 on 8/30/12 at 1:23pm
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It includes 2012 J-term

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 on 8/30/12 at 2:30pm
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alma2404: These stats don't

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 on 8/30/12 at 3:24pm
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IlliniProgrammer: There is a

O
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 on 8/31/12 at 9:41pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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UFOinsider: IlliniProgramme

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 on 8/31/12 at 10:10pm

Work hard, play hard.

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So. Just quit now? Don't go

 
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 on 9/1/12 at 4:29pm
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monkey_scribe: So. Just quit

O
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 on 9/1/12 at 5:49pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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IlliniProgrammer's picture

As for energy, it's a matter

ST
(Almost Human, 9,197
 
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 on 9/1/12 at 7:12pm

Work hard, play hard.

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UFOinsider: monkey_scribe:

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 on 9/1/12 at 7:18pm
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Most hijacked thread ever

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 on 9/1/12 at 11:06pm
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i dont mind, it has good info

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 on 9/1/12 at 11:30pm
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link to this thread in

 
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IlliniProgrammer: we're

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 on 9/3/12 at 6:15pm

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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@UFO, the private sector is

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 on 9/3/12 at 6:27pm

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I'm still waiting for

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 on 9/3/12 at 9:44pm
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A possible simpler way of

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 on 9/3/12 at 9:52pm

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this is an interesting

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 on 9/4/12 at 11:48pm
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The film Inside Job is

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speaking of admissions, have

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government backed by

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I posted in another thread

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 on 9/6/12 at 10:33am

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