Columbia Transfer not Worth the 65k student debt...F'ing Thing Sucks

I am a rising junior at a ~60th ranked non-target university studying Industrial Engineering. I applied for transfer to two schools for next year. I was accepted at both Columbia and Cornell for Operations Research. I was originally pretty excited at being accepted, however after receiving the financial aid awards I don't think transferring would be in my best interest. I was wondering if you guys would be willing to share your opinions.

First off, my stats:
Major: Industrial Engineering
GPA: 3.99/4.00
ACT: 35/36

Work Experience:
Soph Spring: Boutique Investment Banking Internship at a local firm
Summer: F200 Engineering Internship - Leadership Development Program
Also, involved in research with the University that is heavily stats/OR based.

I have a full ride at the school that I now attend so am on track for no debt at graduation.

Cost of Attendance at Columbia: $57,192
Financial Aid Award: $24,600
Net: $32,592

All in I will be looking at ~$65k in student debt in order to attend Columbia. I have been networking quite extensively and feel I will have a good shot at 5-6 analysts/associates forwarding my resume, if not more. I also wouldn't be opposed to a quantitative masters program such as Princeton MFIN, Columbia MFE, or CMU Comp Fin if that is necessary coming from a non target.

If I return to my non-target, I will either return to the same boutique or intern at another boutique in the area during the Fall semester. So going into SA recruiting in January I will have 2 semesters of boutique experience.

If I stay at my current non-target is there a strong possibility I would at least get an interview if a current analyst forwarded my resume? Anyway, I'd appreciate any advice or input. Thanks everyone.

 

how is your alumni network?

the reason i say this is that with your experience and GPA (especially in such a quantitative field), if you have alumni or other connections pulling for you it is very likely that you would receive some first round interviews. Now many people will tell you to transfer if you can, and obviously if you could afford it it would likely be in your best interest, but with your stats, and a large alumni network, i don't see any reason why you shouldn't do very well in recruiting.

The one suggestion i do have is if you can, get a different i-bank on your resume next semester. This way, you can have 2 different banks listed instead of just having the length of time increased on 1 bank--it will stand out much more in the process rather than have extended dates (i doubt they even look at the dates when screening resumes).

 

Alumni Network is decent I would say. I have talked to probably 6-8 analysts at BB's in NYC. Also there are a handful of higher ups and I am currently in touch with or trying to contact.

I feel I will probably have my resume forwarded, I just was wondering how often a non-target gets picked up even with forwarding to the"special" pile or whatever.

LeveRAGE you make a good point about trying to get a different bank on my resume. The bank I was at had very minimal deal flow because it was just started like 6 months before so that is part of my reason for wanting to intern elsewhere. I did work on some interesting PE investments they are working on though which was pretty solid.

And I know the 3.99 + engineering looks kinda nerdy but I swear I go out and drink about 3 times a week (barring an exam on monday or finals). I feel like I'd probably interview pretty solid. Just have to deal with the usual non-target BS like why did you go to that school? Why didn't you feel like you could handle the student debt for an ivy? I went to xyz and I have no time for you. etc

 
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How does your school do in the engineering rankings? A lot of 40th, 50th, and 60th ranked schools are in the top 10-20 for engineering. That's going to change things.

You would have to have a three inch hole in your skull to give up a 3.99 GPA and in-state tuition at Va. Tech or Maryland College Park to go to Columbia. Cornell is a bit of a tougher call with their stronger engineering program, but I think it's still a clear pass.

This fall, you need to submit online applications at BBs for summer programs. We do look at them, and a 3.99 GPA will probably get you an interview at a lot of BBs, even without anyone pulling for you. I strongly recommend framing yourself as a candidate for Sales & Trading or, if you are feeling slightly less confident, risk management or research- with a bent towards manufacturing or infrastructure. Your industrial engineering background will give you a slight comparative advantage for certain areas in research, but your quantitative background makes you a stronger candidate for risk management and S&T. Research and risk management will be a slightly less competitive and slightly less contingent on your performance in what will be a very hard-hitting interview.

It all depends on what kind of career you see yourself in. I know what it's like to be a sophomore who realized engineering was the wrong major- feel free to PM me if you need help understanding the difference between risk management, sales and trading, and research and what working in those groups is like.

 

Hey. Firstly, you can round that 3.99 to a 4.00 lol. 4.0 just has a much bigger impact on your resume.

Second, don't go to Columbia if you have to take on a debt that large. You can do just as well from your current school, and if, by some chance, it doesn't work out you still have MFE programs which are definitely worth more than a BS degree.

Lastly, are your parents helping you out? I'm pretty sure that in an EFC, Columbia awards what it believes what your parents CAN pay. They're usually pretty generous (in my case more generous than Duke and Penn).

 

FWIW I go to a total non-target west coast not top 100 and got a full-time S&T at a BB. I had a 3.83 GPA and an Anthro major/ Business minor. I found a good alum contact and he helped A LOT. I was passionate about the job i got the interview for and that came through in the interview: boom, offer.

You have an excellent chance in my opinion. I would not transfer and incur roughly an entire year's salary of debt.

You resume speaks for itself, but what Leverage said about getting another bank on the resume would be HUGE!

 

I would probably stay at your current school, as it seems like you will definitely get a couple interviews with your current resume. It's good that you have already made connections, but try to make as many new ones as possible while maintaining your old ones. Ask each contact for new people to speak with and try to set up in-person meetings/visits later in the fall. Even if your contact has already said that he will forward your resume, this will make it easier for him to get you an interview because he can introduce you to more (higher up) people when you come in who will informally interview you right there. A lot of analysts/associates try to forward resumes but if one of them can say "yeah but this was the kid that visited a few weeks ago, he met 5 of our group and they all liked him" -it's much more effective.

Also (I just said this in another thread but whatever), if you are near any target schools, sneak into their recruiting events. As a 3.99 GPA kid sneaking into a target's recruiting event with previous IB experience, you will get the attention of the people there. Just be like hey I don't go here but I want IB pretty badly and I'd like to set up a call next week.

 

Really tough choice. Sounds like you killed your academics and deserve to be at Columbia but sorry to hear about the financial aid. That sucks.

One thing to consider is that if you want to move to PE or HF later your school could matter, though a 3.99 at a good school looks fantatic by any definition. This is secondhand info so ask around the forums about school and PE if you want to go down that path

 

Do not transfer.

From the perspective of a kid who took on six-figure debt for school, you are absolutely golden. You have alumni pulling for you, a GPA almost perfect as can be, relevant experience, and sound like a well-reasoned likable guy. You have no reason to transfer.

Keep your GPA that high. Try to arrange a visit to the junior alums you know, get in and visit them on the desk someday and try to network. Chances are they'll put you in front of people who can make things happen for you, and that's what's most important. Don't worry about long-term options too much, that 3.99 engineering GPA will help you SO much for any grad program.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

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