Community college student get Boutique internship? 
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I'm going to apply as a transfer student from a community college to some good universities, including a few that offers Bachelor in Business Admin.
I am worried about not being accepted because I don't really feel "outstanding" compared to other community college transfer (I am not talking about guys from MIT or Cornell...)
I have a 4.0 GPA, and did one internship in PWM for a BB right after my freshman year.
I would like to mention that I attend a community college, not because I screwed up in high school but because I was lazy in high school, no seriously because I come from an European country.
My question is: Do you think I could get a meaningful internship at Vitaminn Shoppe or a boutique IB or maybe something like Deloitte, Lek etc.?
I think the answer is no for consulting firms, even if they're not M/B/B, it's still out of my league, but what about small boutique like for example Caris & Company?
I am giving that name randomly just to give an idea
PS: I know I am dreaming
Thank you!
zwip778, You want to work in
by wannabekingkongzwip778,
You want to work in I-banking, tell them you'll intern for free if that's what gets you in the door, don't take no for an answer if that's what you really want to do.
Good Luck.
once you get into a 4 year
by trackstar2k2once you get into a 4 year uni take your CC IMMEDIATELY off your resume.
I know a lot of people at
by IlliniProgrammerI know a lot of people at F500 companies who would be happy to take someone with a 4.0 GPA in a business degree from a community college. That said, a 4.0 from the University of Virginia looks a little better than a 4.0 from College of DuPage County. :D
If it comes up in an interview, focus on the positives- mention that you saved a lot of money going to community college and largely managed to avoid debt. When people ask me why I went to UIUC, I don't say, "Because I got into CMU and Harvard but the debt was gonna ruin my finances for the next thirty years and I wasn't a good fit as a Midwestern bumpkin." Instead, I say, "Because it was beating all of the Ivies in CS and Engineering and it offered a better IRR. It was the obvious choice."
You need to do the same thing. Talk about how Community College was the obvious choice- you knew some of the profs there, knew they were good at teaching, and figured it would be great to get the foundation in finance and math down there rather than somewhere where the profs might not have been as good. It was also a lot cheaper than your other options, so it was the obvious choice.
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I had an interview at a 2nd
by trackstar2k2I had an interview at a 2nd tier BB (CS, DB, UBS) for an internship position. I emailed an alum to help me. He told me to call him, I did. He gave me a mock interview and asked me a few questions. He asked me about my resume mostly. At the time I did not have much on my resume (I was a sophomore) so I put that I attended a local CC during the summer. He asked me about it and I explained everything and after he told me to immediately to take it off because it did not look good (wasn't prestigious) and it would hurt my chances of advancing to the second round. I obviously listened to him.
To qualify my contact:
His freshman year of college he attended Wharton. He transferred to my school because it was cheaper. He got a job at his bank in structured products. He did two years as an analyst and tried to get promoted to associate instead of doing a third year as an analyst. They decided to promote him to VP instead. In the fall he will be attending HBS.
Trackstar2k2: None of your
by Jerome MarrowTrackstar2k2:
None of your story makes any sense whatsoever and makes you look like a fool. 2nd year getting promoted to VP and turning it down to go to... wait for it guys... business school. lawl
Academically, you can get
by Driven...Academically, you can get into a prestigious school. You can also get a great job.
Personally, I attended Elgin Community College--a few miles from the College of Dupage--my first two years of college. I completed double and triple course loads (record-breaking) with a 3.7 GPA, not that is was necessarily beneficial. Completing 6 years of credit within 2 years before transfer may have ruled me out from transferring to many Ivy League schools (and UIUC) that exclude students with more than 2 years of transfer credit. Nonetheless, W&M happened to accept me. (Of course, I heard they called my school registrar to verify I really did complete a triple course load.) Through a W&M program, I studied abroad at Oxford. With an additional Oxford British Politics professor's recommendation, I spent a summer at LSE and worked in Parliament. So yes, you can get a great and prestigious education even if you start at a community college.
In terms of transferring, if I could do it again, I would apply to more great state schools (e.g. W&M, Berkley, UCLA). State schools may be less prejudiced against community college students and sometimes offer guaranteed CC admissions if you have a certain GPA. If you want to get into elite schools, before you transfer, find something that truly sets you apart from other applicants. For example, one ECC student who transferred to UChicago served as the student representative on the ECC Board of Trustees. Similarly, can you get elected to public office? Can you become a chess grandmaster? Probably not in a year, but find something truly impressive that you can achieve. Alternatively, if you have money, you might apply to British schools via UCAS--British schools don't care about extracurriculars--or get some language training and certification and apply to cheap socialist French or German schools directly. Get a summer or winter vacation job if you can; life is easier with money.
In terms of classes, I've always chosen the hardest ones I could find and done the best I could in them; however, I know some smart people who have gamed the system by taking easy classes that boost their GPA on their resumes. In my opinion, students with 4.0s haven't challenged themselves enough. Most other people tend to be very impressed.
In terms of business, a prestigious school on your resume may help you get an interview. But once you get the job, proving you can get the job done matters way more than where you went to school. For example, though my background probably helped, I have worked from the mail room to the executive conference room of a multi-million-dollar corporation within three days. Now, with a bachelors, I'm hoping my knowledge of time-series analysis, artificial neural networks, and derivative-trading stochastic calculus will help me edge out the Ivy Leaguers to get into a top-tier hedge fund or I-bank. I have other friends from ECC who have accomplished impressive things. One who only ever attended regional schools has earned a masters in linguistics with a 4.0 and is now a Fulbright scholar. Another transferred to UIUC, majored in cmputer science, and immediately worked with Microsoft in Seattle. Many of my classmates at W&M have gotten jobs with Deloitte Federal and Booz Allen Hamilton. Reportedly, at least one economics graduate this year will be working at Goldman Sachs.
You will have to work harder, but when you can prove you can get a better GPA than the vast majority of students at Oxford, W&M, UIUC, or wherever, I really don't think an employer is going to care that you went to a community college. Unless Trackstar's friend attended a community college or served as a hiring manager, he would not appear particularly qualified to answer this question (though his perspective sounds reasonable when someone's community college experience adds nothing above their 4-year experience). Also, until you get some more exceptional experience, you may have to accept less prestigious employers to gain some early experience. Bottom-line: Make the most of the opportunities you receive, and I expect you to accomplish great things.
Did you really ask about an
by AG0311Did you really ask about an internship at Vitamin Shoppe in your question about an internship at a boutique IB or Deloitte?
Thanks for all your answer,
by zwip778Thanks for all your answer,
@ AG0311 The reference Vitamin Shoppe was not to be taken seriously.
@Illinniprogrammer: so you advice to try F500 companies in their corporate finance department?
@wannabekingkong: Do you think I should mention the fact that I am willing to work for free in an email, cover letter etc? What worries me about working for free, besides the obvious fact that I won't get paid (but I am good financially speaking) is that often, when you don't get paid, you have less responsibility and the company gives you only busy work... If I were to do the same job (meaningful) I would do it for free, what do you think?
Sometimes I wish I had stayed in France because here people assume I am a looser (academically speaking) just because I attend a CC whereas I was one of the best in my high school. Anyway, I want to live in the US so I have to give my thirst for recognition during a few more months...
@ zwip: If you are still in
by IlliniProgrammer@ zwip: If you are still in CC, you might as well give it a shot. I think that for someone out of CC but with a 4.0 GPA, F500 corporate finance might be a good target. The catch is that you will have to be awfully polished in the interviews.
If you manage to get into a state school, you can start talking about positions in middle-office at a BB or have a lot of other doors open to you if that's what you want to do. Depending on the state school, your extracurriculars and your GPA, you may be able to even claw your way into the front office. However, this would be contingent on having some kind of respectable internship between your sophomore and junior years. Hence why I'm suggesting you intern at an F500.
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Just transfer and drop the CC
by Anthony .Just transfer and drop the CC name. What sucks is since you will be a transfer student your GPA will go to a 0.00. I think that is why a lot of community college kids keep it on there. Suppose you transfer to a top school and now instead of having a bunch of 100 level cake classes to inflate your GPA you are taking 200-300 level right out of the gate. Make sure you destroy your 1st semester and get a 4.0, everything else will be fine.
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Thanks Anthony, I think that
by zwip778Thanks Anthony,
I think that if I can't get a good summer internship after my junior year because I won't have a lot of proof about my academic abilities due to the fact that I will only have one semester (depends on timing), I will use a contact that I have, he is the founder of a boutique in NYC.
The thing is, I don't know him, my brother knows him, and my brother (a business lawyer) met him through my uncle who was a client of the investment bank.
So I can't say that I am close to the man, and I certainly wouldn't want to "disrespect" him by asking an internship now because I am not in a top school. I'd rather keep that option for my junior year internship.
Other than that, I have a strong (emphasis on that world) french accent (can't get rid of it), do you think that it will be a problem? Is an ibanker often on the phone?
Thank you
Yes, people often value you
by Driven...Yes, people often value you as much as you're paid. One way to tell whether your employer values you more than that is to ask for a pay increase (though this can also make you seem disloyal).
If you were one of the best in your high school, add on a line on your resume for your high school that lists your high school class rank. I'd just mention your class rank because if you say you earned 14/20, people in the States will (obviously very wrongly) think you're stupid.
A 4.0 GPA anywhere shows that you're not a loser--even more so because it was in foreign language. If anyone thinks otherwise, to hell with them. You can and will get a job someplace else. And you'll make a lot of money for the person who does hire you.
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How in the fuck can somebody
by Jerome MarrowHow in the fuck can somebody accomplish these things, but not manage to get a full ride into a good state school easily? Seriously the shit I read on this site baffles me at times. I couldn't count on 4 hands the number of kids from my high school that went full ride or nearly full ride to 'good' state schools (UM, PSU, OSU, etc.) that didn't (and in many cases couldn't even if they tried) to accomplish the stuff you guys are talking about. The alternative theory of course being we have community college kids who have no idea wtf they are talking about commenting (ie trackstar2k2).
@IlliniProgrammer: I will
by zwip778@IlliniProgrammer: I will give it a try, thanks
In terms of public schools, I will apply to some backup schools and others (think UCB, or University of Michigan)
@driven...: We do not have official class rankings in France at the time of graduation but I got "Mention Tres Bien" at the Bac S.
Try to find some defensible
by Driven...Try to find some defensible way to explain your high school grades. E.g. "Highest honors, X.X/4.0 equivalent". Precise benchmarks are good if you can do it, but you will definitely be asked about it in an interview. These links might help:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccalaur%C3%A9at
* http://www.france-amerique.com/articles/2010/07/08/bac_general_mention_t...
Accent?
* http://www.dialectaccentspecialists.com/store/index.php/cat_3
Actually I speak very clearly
by zwip778Actually I speak very clearly BUT with a french accent. I don't think that anyone could pretend that they can't get what I say... Long story short, I just wonder if people in IBD have a bias against accent even if they do not affect the clarity of the expression... I know that a lot of french can't stand some foreign accents.
About dropping the name of my CC, how will I be able to do that since I have to put the dates on my résumé?
http://commcoll.umich.edu/ ht
by Anthony .http://commcoll.umich.edu/
http://www.mhec.state.md.us/financialAid/ProgramDescriptions/prog_DSCCT.asp
Cornell
http://admissions.cornell.edu/pathway/index.cfm
UVA
http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/transfer.html
Many schools have CC transfers.
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lol Anthony do you know much
by Jerome Marrowlol Anthony do you know much about admissions? A friend of mine is working now in the office of a top 10 school and there are plenty of ways to say things like that. For example, are you a high school kid that took classes at a CC in the summer (or even during the year)? Ding ding ding, you're a 'CC transfer' (if it is convenient for the population being targeted). If you think 1/3 of the kids going into Cornell are coming straight up from a 2 yr community college program you are off your rocker. Doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test. Let's not go into other things admissions departments love to 'say' about who is able to transfer in and what they look for. BTW UVA is a state school and getting in from Virginia versus elsewhere is incomparable
I'm still waiting for an explanation on how the hell someone is going to make such a shift in 1-2 years that they go from being unable to easily get a full ride (or some other award that makes going to a good state school relatively inexpensive) to a respectable state school to a top level university. Many of the top 10s don't even cost a dime if you can demonstrate need.
Well in my case I did not
by zwip778Well in my case I did not attend high shool in the US, did not pass the SAT etc Besides, in France we do NOT (nobody, not just me) have EC's. Schools do not care at all about EC's, it's all about your grades, but on the other hand, school is much tougher.
Now, in the case of a typical american student, I can understand you logic: how can someone change from not being able to attend a decent university to applying to Cornell as a transfer
Jerome Marrow wrote: lol
by Anthony .lol Anthony do you know much about admissions? A friend of mine is working now in the office of a top 10 school and there are plenty of ways to say things like that. For example, are you a high school kid that took classes at a CC in the summer (or even during the year)? Ding ding ding, you're a 'CC transfer' (if it is convenient for the population being targeted). If you think 1/3 of the kids going into Cornell are coming straight up from a 2 yr community college program you are off your rocker. Doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test. Let's not go into other things admissions departments love to 'say' about who is able to transfer in and what they look for. BTW UVA is a state school and getting in from Virginia versus elsewhere is incomparable
I'm still waiting for an explanation on how the hell someone is going to make such a shift in 1-2 years that they go from being unable to easily get a full ride (or some other award that makes going to a good state school relatively inexpensive) to a respectable state school to a top level university. Many of the top 10s don't even cost a dime if you can demonstrate need.
Wow Jerome. Let me bust out my knee pads because you have a friend in admissions. Big fucking deal.
I posted some links. I apologize for not doing a channel 5 news story on the issue. Many people go to community colleges for a variety of reasons. Some lose funding, some cannot afford it, some change their mind on majors, on and on. The majority of community college kids are going to end up going to a state school or something and finishing their 4 year degree. Some kids will end up going to better schools. A kid with a 4.0 at a community college has a normal shot at getting in to very good schools.
Furthermore, where did I list Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc? I live down the road from Cornell and know many students there. Cornell has a partnership with the state of New York. One of their schools is a SUNY attachment. Community colleges have a transfer agreement.
As for the other schools presented, UVA, UMICH, Maryland, they are all top state schools. Community colleges are part of the state school system. They have transfer agreements.
@ The OP - Apply to decent schools. Top 5 are probably going to be a long shot. Apply to UVA, Duke, Mich, other state schools, the best school in your state, whatever. Get on the phone and call the adcoms and tell them your story. You have a 4.0, you are not dumb. I am sure you have extenuating circumstances and they will listen.
People love to knock community college kids. I always wonder why. I have seen kids act like morons and almost fail out of private schools. Their parents pissed away 50K for their kid to do beer funnels. I think those kids are the ones deserving to be laughed at. Furthermore, 100-200 level classes are taught by grad students. The quality of education is absolutely the same at a community college. That is why schools take CC transfers. If you have a 4.0 from a CC you are 10x better then some kid who aced his SAT's. People need to stop drinking the kool aid.
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I can't speak to your unique
by Jerome MarrowI can't speak to your unique situation.
Regarding employers and how they may feel about your accent: I think it is unlikely to be a factor whatsoever presuming you can speak English fine and understand others. I have many friends with relatively strong accents (people from India, various parts of East Asia, and a couple from France in fact) that got jobs in IBD and S&T at BBs in NYC. If you are planning to work in some metropolitan area, I don't foresee you having problems unless you are incredibly unlucky.
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by trackstar2k2Trackstar2k2:
None of your story makes any sense whatsoever and makes you look like a fool. 2nd year getting promoted to VP and turning it down to go to... wait for it guys... business school. lawl
You're an idiot and you need to learn how to read. He did a year as a VP, then got accepted to HBS. No where did I say he turned anything down. Before you comment you should make sure you have the facts straight because you obviously fucked it up.
Only someone who severely lacks in reading comprehension (you) would say my story doesn't make sense.
Yes, some good schools make
by Driven...Yes, some good schools make an especial effort to get great CC students...and as Jerome suggests although UVA and W&M have a guaranteed admissions policy if you get a certain GPA from Virginia CC, other schools may not. And as Jerome says, it is more difficult to get in to W&M at least from out-of-state than in-state. I don't know much about top 10 admissions.
So long as people can understand your accent, that's the main thing. I know this book speaks about accent some regarding Wall Street Careers. If you really care, here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Your-Career-Street-Quant/dp/1432706810
So keep your CC name on your resume. I think the thing is just that a 4.0 at a more prestigious school looks better than a 4.0 at CC or any less prestigious school. Given two candidates who both have 3.7s from the same 4-year school, I doubt that an employer would be biased against the CC transfer, just because that's where they started. It's not like you have anything to be ashamed about. You got a 4.0.
In terms of accent and CC prejudice, I could be wrong. I do tend to underestimate the amount of prejudice in the world. But whatever, you can only do your best. On the other hand, when your main worry is whether you speak with a slight accent or the name of your previous school's name, you might want to focus on more important things--like how to make yourself more valuable/qualified to the employer. Those are (1) controllable and (2) more likely to get you the job.
I'm not sure a 4.0 from a CC is better than a perfect SAT score, but the rest of Anthony's points in my experience sound fair.
How did things turn uncivil?
by Driven...How did things turn uncivil? I think everyone's made some great points. No name-calling, please.
Thanks everybody for your
by zwip778Thanks everybody for your help
Great news about the accent!
@ Driven - Maybe not a
by Anthony .@ Driven - Maybe not a PERFECT SAT, but a very good SAT score. What is an SAT score for? It is the same thing as a GMAT. Basically a number that adcoms can use to screen people and roughly predict how someone will do in a college setting. They are taking a chance since college is very different from high school so they use a predictor.
If you have a 4.0 and awesome rec's from a CC you obviously know how to show up to class, take notes, interact, write papers, etc. You are less of a risk than the fresh high school kid.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/class-struggle/2010/07/your_sat_score_h...
Mind you, I am not saying do away with SAT scores. Adcoms need something to go on. I am just saying that 2 years of CC (especially if the person is working and actively involved in the college) goes a long way towards showing responsibility and maturity.
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trackstar2k2 wrote: Jerome
by Jerome MarrowTrackstar2k2:
None of your story makes any sense whatsoever and makes you look like a fool. 2nd year getting promoted to VP and turning it down to go to... wait for it guys... business school. lawl
You're an idiot and you need to learn how to read. He did a year as a VP, then got accepted to HBS. No where did I say he turned anything down. Before you comment you should make sure you have the facts straight because you obviously fucked it up.
Only someone who severely lacks in reading comprehension (you) would say my story doesn't make sense.
LOL so he was a VP (directly promoted to VP after being an analyst for 2 years--not even time as an associate) and then decided to go to B-school... right. Someone ban this troll, thanks. Better yet, send his ass back to community college.
And seriously guys, who
by Jerome MarrowAnd seriously guys, who respects a 4.0 at a CC? A high GPA would be expected The classes, in my experience (in high school) and what I've seen with my friends, are at best on par with high school courses and many times easier. You have no competition for a curve, there is very little to no higher level material presented--most of which is substantially below even AP level--and more. Getting a 1600 on the SAT math/verbal is much harder than getting a 4.0 at basically any CC as an objective measure.
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by trackstar2k2Trackstar2k2:
None of your story makes any sense whatsoever and makes you look like a fool. 2nd year getting promoted to VP and turning it down to go to... wait for it guys... business school. lawl
You're an idiot and you need to learn how to read. He did a year as a VP, then got accepted to HBS. No where did I say he turned anything down. Before you comment you should make sure you have the facts straight because you obviously fucked it up.
Only someone who severely lacks in reading comprehension (you) would say my story doesn't make sense.
LOL so he was a VP (directly promoted to VP after being an analyst for 2 years--not even time as an associate) and then decided to go to B-school... right. Someone ban this troll, thanks. Better yet, send his ass back to community college.
Once again, your reading comprehension sucks. Only did a class at a CC during the summer. Apparently you doubt my story? That's nice, once again you're an idiot and you have no proof to the contrary.
I don't really care to read
by Jerome MarrowI don't really care to read about your background and it wasn't my reading comprehension--I presumed that someone as misinformed and stupid as yourself could not have gone beyond a CC.
http://www.assist.org/web-ass
by Anthony .http://www.assist.org/web-assist/UCB.html - California community college transfer program
http://www.johnstoncc.edu/transfertofouryear.aspx -- UNC transfer program from CC
http://trsp.berkeley.edu/prospective.htm -- UC Berkley transfer info
http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/adm_tr/adm_cco/tap.htm -- UCLA and Community College program
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/26/writing -- New SAT essays are harming students (MIT Prof. )
http://www.bmcc.cuny.edu/transfercntr/articulationagreements/nyu/nyu-cct... -- NYU
"NYU is a top-ranked university. Can I do well there?
Many community college students express concern about whether they are academically prepared to succeed at NYU. More than 800 students have already transferred to the NYU School of Education through CCTOP and based on their performance, we know that your community college grade point average is a good predictor at NYU. Not only do most CCTOP students graduate, but more than 25 percent graduate with honors!"
This link below is great for the question at hand.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/4/18/the-road-to-a-bachelors-as/ --- Interesting article on Harvard
While almost half of all undergraduates in the country are enrolled in community college, they only account for six percent of transfers to Harvard and less than one percent of the student body.
“Top students at community college have a lot to offer elite colleges,” said Josh Wyner, vice president for programming at the Cooke Foundation, a foundation that provides scholarships for students at community college. Community college students include large populations of minorities, students from single parent families or who are the first in their families to attend college, and low income students that four-year colleges seek to recruit to increase diversity, according to Wyner.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/12/12/harvard-lags-in-community-c...
I present links and facts. That is what a good argument is made up of. OP, look at these links, keep your 4.0 up and transfer. If you have good rec's and you make a good case you will get in. Do not listen to anyone who tell you some bullshit story that they heard or they have a friend. Look for facts and go off them.
You know what is wrong with this site? We have too many people who waste other peoples time by giving shit advice. Try backing up what you say with some facts. When someone asks a legit question they should be provided with an intelligent answer.
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Jerome, next bullshit comment
by Anthony .Jerome, next bullshit comment out of your mouth and I will delete it. You have provided nothing to this topic other then your "feelings". I hope one day you do something for your boss and tell him you know it is right because you have a friend who told you a story one time. In the real world no one gives a shit what you think. Try being an educated young adult and back your statements up. I am still waiting for you to prove any of the drivel coming out of your mouth. The OP is asking a question and you are clouding the issue. Now that I have taken time out of my day to refute your foolish opinion I expect you to either shut up or prove me wrong.
With the reasoning and debating skills you have shown in this thread it is obvious to me that you couldn't handle even the most basic community college classes. You belittle people without any fact or basis which shows how sheltered and simple you truly are.
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Jerome Marrow wrote: I don't
by trackstar2k2I don't really care to read about your background and it wasn't my reading comprehension--I presumed that someone as misinformed and stupid as yourself could not have gone beyond a CC.
LOL it's not my background, it's his background. Maybe you don't pay attention to what you're reading? If you don't care then don't read. I gave his background to qualify what he said because of potential controversy. He is someone way more qualified then myself to give an opinion on whether to keep or delete a CC on a resume. I assume you're judging my supposed stupidity off of previous posts? From what we have seen (or have not seen) of you're reading comprehension it is safe to assume you have got it wrong once again.
Dont worry trak. I read your
by Anthony .Dont worry trak. I read your post at it was pretty clear. It is a hallmark of immaturity when someone starts insulting others because they obviously cannot read. He is done with this topic.
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Oh okay Anthony, let's see
by Jerome MarrowOh okay Anthony, let's see what we have here:
1. Guy claiming someone went from analyst to VP and is now going to HBS (that's already bullshit).
2. You're providing links to mostly bullshit or incomplete information from schools that I have already addressed is, at best, incomplete. Schools use various techniques to boost up how many people they say come from a particular background and community college is one of them. If someone went to 'some' community college at some point, they can be included as a CC transfer, even if that is not where they are transferring from or if CC is only a part of their educational background.
3. People claiming that CC is a good 'investment'. Frankly, anybody that can get into a top tier school (save maybe NYU that is a cash cow) can get an affordable education at a good school as well and CC is not only a waste of time and money (many, if not all of your courses will not transfer at all to a top school).
4. Your links are just laughable--straight up laughable and untopical, but I'll cover the untopical part below. Example, you post an article from an MIT prof talking about SAT essay/writing portion when NOBODY mentioned that at all. The point is that it is objectively harder to get a 1600 math/verbal than a 4.0 at some shitty community college.
5. Of the very tiny portion of CC students who do matriculate to top private schools, the majority are made-up of URMs and related groups--essentially non-traditional candidates from the get-go that already have different standards than other people. Again, they represent the exception in every way than what is to be expected. Strawman for the win again though, Anthony.
6. The majority of the articles you presented are specifically about state schools, many of which have legal obligations to allow for transfers from publicly supported community colleges. Who gives a shit if someone can transfer in-state from a CC to the local state school? Sure, it happens all the time, but that wasn't the topic of the thread now was it? And even still, if you are a top student you aren't going to be saving any money because you could have gotten a scholarship or some form of aid anyway.
Am I missing anything? Am I not providing enough 'evidence' for you? I didn't realize I had to spell it out so much for a 'smart' guy.
Jerome Marrow wrote: Oh okay
by trackstar2k2Oh okay Anthony, let's see what we have here:
1. Guy claiming someone went from analyst to VP and is now going to HBS (that's already bullshit).
How would you know? You didn't talk to him. He didn't come to your school to talk to your club.
1) I provided the article
by Anthony .1) I provided the article about the SAT's because I say that someone with 2 years of college and a 4.0 is less of a risk to adcoms then a fresh high school student with a good SAT.
2) It was in structured products which can promote people faster. This guy might have brought in deals, he might of been a rain maker, no one said he went from fresh analyst to MD. I agree it might be odd, but it is not inconceivable.
3) I would hardly call UCLA, UC Berkly, Ross, UVA, etc loser schools.
4) I posted articles from the Crimson. They mention a small percentage of students coming from community colleges. Please show me where I said a 4.0 is a guarantee?
5) Please provide me with an article or something factual to prove that schools are not really accepting community college students and just goosing the numbers. Your pal in admissions does not count.
6) How are any of my links incomplete or laughable. They are direct links to establish partnership programs.
7) Please provide to me articles and links indicating that URM's are the only ones coming from community colleges.
8) No one says going to a community college is a good investment. Some people have no choice.
Thank you Jerome for reply to everything I have posted with your inexperiences opinions and beliefs. Once again, I directly ask you to provide me and the OP with anything to back up your statements. Is that so hard?
Also, please stop talking as if you are some experience individual who knows the world like the back of their hand. You are a god damn college kid who I doubt does anything on their own. Your buddy in admissions is probably a fellow junior working part time.
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This thread is locked. OP, if
by Anthony .This thread is locked. OP, if you want some help PM me. You are not getting anything here.
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