So round 1 decisions are out at almost all the b-schools, and a bunch of people I know have been fortunate enough to get into top programs. They're obviously ecstatic, as they should be. Congrats to all of you guys who got in! Your hard work has paid off, and you can now relax and enjoy the holidays. Best of luck as you guys embark on the 2 most exciting and transformational years of your lives.
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Brady is no longer serious, I've suspected that for a while, but I think it's confirmed now...
I don't know. He actually was pretty helpful in regards to answering questions about which programming languages to learn for S&T.
I am not 100% sure you need to go to B-school to be successful, and I'm not sure that everyone who graduates from the top B-schools winds up being successful.
But congrats to all.
Thx... got into HBS, ecstatic for the life-defining 2 years to come... like to thank everyone for their encouragement.
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Im with Illini on this. Also, I suspect that b-school will not be the most exciting and/or formative period of their lives (sorry for them if it is) but congrats nonetheless.
Illini, of course a degree is not going to guarantee your sucess. It's absurd to think otherwise.
However, a top MBA does open doors for you and gives you access to companies that you normally would not have access to.
junkbondswap, socially, b-school is unrivalled. It's basically 2 years of never-ending social activities, travels, parties. Unless you're a fucking celebrity or jet setting trust fund kid, i doubt you will have a more fun 2 year period than b-school.
How is being in school more fun than being retired after having a successful career hanging out with people who you actually care about instead of people you are trying to network with to get a job?
But what do I know?
That's precisely the point. I'd much rather have the time of my life with people who are as intellectually stimulating and interesting as myself, while I'm in my late 20's rather then when I'm in my late 50's and retired.
Blackfinancier, you're making a false assumption-that people in business school are mainly hanging out with their classmates in hopes of getting something from them. Although i'm sure there are people who think that way, it is a far cry from what actually goes on socially. The fact of the matter is, students at top business schools genuinely want to meet new people and have fun. Lifelong memories and friendships are forged during this 2-year period.
You don't know first hand any of this information... you are assuming, based on others' accounts that your b school experience will be the best time in your life, but you have no way of knowing until you are actually there. Your obsession with business school is so sad. You have a good job, you should travel and just have fun, rather than paying tuition to do it with other people. None of your analysis of business school really seems to sync with the experiences my friends who went to HBS had, and I have several friends who went there.
Rufio, I respect your points. In my case however, I don't like my job, and socially I don't have a lot of options due to my circumstances. A top b-school will open up a floodgate of career opportunities, and socially it will provide me with an experience that I can only dream about. There's nothing like being a young healthy person who is surrounded for 2 years by smart, interesting, accomplished people, and partying and travelling your ass off with them. That is something that money cannot buy.
Great points.
This is a personal decision for everyone. Different people have their reasons for doing a top-tier b-school. It doesn't matter what anyone else has to say. There are millions of people who would love to be in the position of choosing between staying at work making well over 6 figures in a prestigious job vs. going to a top ranked business school. It's not like any decision will end badly.
Would this have anything to do with every word coming out of your mouth being an acronym?
I'll say it again. Your obsession with business school is very unhealthy and it suggests to me that you're unhappy with how your life is playing out. Look, I'm sure business school is great, and would involve a significant amount of socialising but the fact that you're placing such a huge emphasis on it is frankly weird. Let's say you're 30 OK. I'm a whizzkid 26 year old, and I think I'm the shit. Do you think I want to socialise with you when your overeagerness is going to border on pathetic? God no. Most of these kids that you'll want to hang out with are going to be colossal douches, and the others will be hard-working family people, looking to further themselves and not loiter drunk at some bar come 3am.
Drop this fascination with business school. If you hate your job, move the fuck on. I hated my job, know what I did? I quit. And I found another job within 3 weeks. In fact I had three offers at one time. Business school could change your life, correct, but the rate you're going it could turn out to be the most expensive mistake you'll ever make. Face facts bro, if Harvard was meant to be, you'd be there by now.
bros if HBS prevents brady from offing himself because he hates his job and has no friends then let's just let him vent here. geez
He's not venting though. He's making it worse for himself.
bradys a fag..
This has gotten out of hand
Brady, what would you do if you didn't get into HBS?
If he doesn;t post a reaction video of himself as he's opening his email/letter of rejection, I will kill Brady.
I've never heard someone so desperate to have a good time. $2,000 bar tab is less expensive than 2 years at HBS.
so as much as Brady combo-jerking off to HBS on this forum was / is overdone, everyone piling on and giving him shit for the same thing over and over again is pretty much doing the same. as others have said bradys given helpful advice to others on the site and at least is well connected enough to network with all these M7 kids. in the end he isnt hurting anyone at all-- and for the last couple of threads he hasnt really initiated any of the HBS fapchatting
ill agree he does get overtly excited at times about it and focuses a bit much but everyone piling on him is just as much as people making snarky troll comments on reddit
B-School is definitely not 2 years of vacation, especially if you are pursuing a financial career. Grades count in recruiting and people are wicked competitive. I just finished the core at an Ivy B-School and it was totally miserable. People are incredibly stressed, worried about finding 6 figure jobs, staying up all night cramming for finals. We rarely ever partied. We studied and traveled to meet with alums in order to find jobs. And I'm far from a nerd or a loser. I would love to go out every night but you can't afford to slack off.
I'm sure next year or even next semester will be more of a social scene. But don't fool yourselves. There is a ton of work to do and an incredible amount of pressure to find a job worthy of your school's ranking.
This is true. While B-School has been overall a very fun experience, academics are not by any means as easy as some people said (at least for me). I think ibanking recruiting is by far the most competitive one (but the one with the best success ratio, at least here). Grades do count in recruiting, maybe not as much as in undergrad but you have to be sure to do well in accounting and finance at least.
All said, it does provide chances for an unbelievable career change, especially for international students.
Slightly suspicious Brady is just elite trolling us with his HBS "obsession"
SDBall22, I don't want to sound like a jackass, but based on your use of the term "Ivy B-school," I'm pretty sure you're either at cornell or yale, in which case your description makes total sense. Once you go outside of the M7, getting a good finance job becomes extremely difficult. So you end up doing a lot of work, trying to impress recruiters with top grades, and networking your butt off to land interviews. At M7 and especially HSW, grades basically don't matter. Moreover, the top companies come to campus to recruit, thereby giving you ample opportunity to meet with them and get interviews much more easily. At the elite schools, students spend most of their time partying, socializing, and traveling. Yes, they work hard to get jobs, just like everyone else, but the pressure is not as nearly as intense.
This is why for me personally, anything below a M7 is not worth the cost. If I do go to b-school and drop that kind of cash, I want to party like a fucking rockstar for 2 years and leave with fond memories that will last me until the day I die.
I was speaking to someone the other night and he mentioned that at several (most?) top business schools schools their is some sort of non-disclosure policy in regards to grades and recruiting. Can anyone confirm this?
but then itd turn into him fapping on cam :) do you wanna see that :P
My best friend called last night. The guy is currently a first-year at a top 5 mba program, and he was telling me about his winter break thus far. His classmates went on a ski trip to colorado, where they got wasted and fucked like rabbits. In his words, "pretty much everyone has hooked up by now. It's really easy to get laid in b-school." Next, he went on a career trek in silicon valley, visiting start-up tech firms on the cutting edge. And now he is on his way to New Zeland.
Fucking SICK life. Can any non-mba folks on WSO beat that? I doubt it.
So they went to Colorado, went on a ski trip, got drunk and got laid? Wow, impressive.
If I didn't know any better I'd say you were in high school...
Sounds like this trip is very common
http://mbablogs.anderson.ucla.edu/mba_students/2011/12/winter-break-not…
Or does your friend actually go to ucla?
Ahahahahaha.
Brady> real talk, are you a virgin?
lol sounds exactly like my college career you phaggot. Brb just spent a semester getting hammed and getting chicks in Italy/Prague/Barcelona. Gonna spend NYE in the city getting hammed and probably (hopefully at least) getting with chicks. Then going to frat parties all next semester getting hammed and getting chicks.
This dbag brady sounds like an absolute loser who has never had fun in his life, and now is getting his little panties wet at the excitement of touching a girls vajayjay.
You can make all the money you want, but if you're a loser then no one will want to hang out with you. Stop taking your loneliness out on an internet forum.
Faddy you're in high school...please calm down. Stop listing cities you googled. "vajayjay" are you a woman, my xgf said that shit.
How old are you kid, 17?
Holy shit, this absolutely killed me. Funniest shit I've read in a while.
i dont want to pile on, but going to business school to get laid and go skiing is really absurd. Why not try putting some time and effort into cultivating a social life on your own? I am not saying whether or not I can "beat that" but I do have sex regularly and if I wanted to I could go skiing...these arent really things you need to go to business school to accomplish. Besides, what are you going to do after two years when you finish business school and cant get laid or go skiing anymore?
Bondarb, you're one of the best posters on WSO, so you deserve an honest and serious response.
The issue is NOT that i don't have friends, can't get girls, or can't go skiing. I think a lot of other posters have missed the point. My main assertion is that business school, due to its unique nature, allows one to pursue his academic, professional, and social interests with almost complete freedom and latitude. Given that I'm totally burned out from a job I don't like too much, I am craving what b-school has to offer. It will allow me to re-fuel, make great friends, and hopefully get on a career trajectory that actually interests me.
hahahhahaha this post was amazing
I don't say any of this to "beat" you. I find the idea of trying to "beat" others with stories about how cool I am to be pretty douchey whether or not I end my paragraphs with "FUCKING SICK BRO." I think you need to really reexamine why you want to go to B school. Maybe you can do many of the same things right now that you think you can only do by attending B school. Maybe you will still want to do it. I am still thinking about doing so in a few years.
I understand that moving to a new city is hard as I have done it myself and my friend recently moved to Chicago for a job. Maybe you should try a site like meetup.com if you're having trouble building a social life. I mostly use it for foreign language practice and the occasional happy hour, but the people I meet through meetup are never cliquish.
Congratulations to everyone who made it.
could you post a short generic profile about yourself though. i.e.
ungrad school/gpa: gmat: industry/work experience: any extracurricular activities:
Would really appreciate it. Just wanna gauge my chances too.
Thanks and congrats again.
Whom or what did they fuck? Each other or someone (or something) else? Or, did they get fucked?
Unless you like pounding Indian and Chinese girls, I would say the whole "fucking like rabbits" dream is dead on arrival. I've been to a bunch of Wharton parties and for every cute chick you have 5 haggard ones. Also, if you think type A B school chicks put out like Florida State sorority chicks you might be wrong.
Not saying B school isn't fun. My MSF was one of the best years of my life and I made a shit load of friends, but at the end of the day, school is school. You have to do well, interview, prep, etc. You are with kids who are highly driven and successful. They are not going to just roll up to interviews or classes wasted and say fuck it.
What I find funny is the fact that Brady could probably get himself a decent crew of finance guys who like to party right off this website, without two years of an MBA. Also, when I think of bad ass party MBA, I don't think of cold as balls Harvard. Go to Stanford dude and just crush Cali chicks. The weather will be nice year round and you have Cali girls to pick up. Harvard is amazing, but if you are going because you think you might be slaying Sullfolk University girls, I would reconsider.
ANT, no offense, but I wouldn't compare the 2-3 Villanova MSF girls to the talent at HYP
No, nor would I. But I WOULD compare the undergrads. Either way, if you think Harvard UG's are dime pieces you must be smoking crack.
ANT, I respectfully disagree with your characterization of Wharton. I partied there last fall; it was a fucking blast. There actually aren't that many chinese and indian fob's who can't speak english. I have no idea where this stereotyping came from. The first-year class at Wharton is now 45% women, with lot of attracitve ones who worked in fashion/media/marketing, etc. And there's tons of latin americans and europeans to boot. The same goes for HBS, although their women ratio is only like 35%. I do know for a fact that there are several ex-models who are at HBS now.
Also, HBS guys do extremely well with the girls in boston. It's sort of a running joke among the guys there about how easy it is to slay chicks at schools like bu, bc, northeastern, wellesley, etc. As one friend put it, "it's so easy it's like shooting fish in a barrel."
Well I suppose we had different experiences. I didn't say everyone was haggard, just saying B school isn't this cornucopia of tri delts to smash.
Look at Stanford. Much better scene IMO.
Brady, dog, you telling me dropping the HBS bomb makes getting laid easier than saying "I work in a hedge fund"?
You just need some bros man, what city you in?
ANT, you're presupposing that mba guys are only limited to girls in their class, which is patently false. At Penn, for instance, the wharton mba guys are like demi-gods on campus. The girls in penn undergrad, nursing, law, med, are obsessed with getting with a Wharton mba bro. HBS is a bit different since their campus is in boston, not cambridge. Nonetheless, the HBS guys also do quite well with those in other harvard schools, and as i mentioned before, they are very popular among the non-harvard students in boston. The stories i've heard are pretty wild.
And yes, dropping the HBS bomb is much more powerful than telling a chick that you work at a hedge fund. I mean, is this a serious question? For one, lot of hot girls don't even know what a hedge fund is. But I will bet my life that they do know harvard fucking business school. The Harvard name brand is one of the most prestigious and highly recognized names in the entire world. And second, there are thousands of hedge funds out there, the vast majority of which are awful. That's a tangential point, however.
I live in Chicago. It's a great city, and my social life is quite decent, but it pales in comparison to what my friends at top b-schools are experiencing.
Um, have you even been to Penn?! Honestly, that is just utter BS. Wharton MBAs don't get half as much respect on campus as Wharton and College undergrads.
//www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/why-the-fuck-are-these-two-wharton-mbas-…
On top of this, there is a creepy factor associated with the Wharton MBAs. Generally, undergrads at Penn have very little respect for the grad/professional students. It sounds ridiculous, but that's how it is. The MBAs/JDs are considered to be the lazy, stupid people who couldn't get into Penn undergrad, and are now there to make up for it.
I can assure you, very few Penn undergrad girls will be hooking up with Wharton MBAs.
And, yes, I know Penn is your alma mater.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/why-the-fuck-are-these-two-wharto…] From that thread:
LOL @ brady talking about small sample sizes and then projecting what he feels is the HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL MBA EXPERIENCE (TM) on this boardN.R.G., they fucked their classmates.
Thanks, Brady.
ROFL
I'm gonna have to call B.S. on this hyped up social scene Brady is talking about. The partying/hook up scene is unrivaled? WTF...what about undergrad. I have a hard time believing that the kids at bschool are going to be partying more than they did in college.
Anyway-I have a friend at HBS and she has echoed an opinion I've heard multiple times-the social scene is more upper echelon and ritzy, with expensive ski trips and travel across the world (she has a hard time keeping up). Makes sense considering a lot of students have saved a decent amount of $, and I'm sure the international kids can tap into their parents funds. But I wouldn't be calling it "Animal House" by any means.
Anyway-we made a HBS 2+2 group for newly admitted students (class or 2016). Come join us if you haven't already-just pm me and I'll send you the link. Happy Holidays everyone !
Yes. That's the social scene I want: upscale and ritzy. I'm too old to just drink beer and playing beer pong. Plus that gets very boring.
I'm calling BS too. First of all, 90% of the guys in B school either have families, are bookworms or are just nerds that have no idea how to party. Second, most girls in B school are not even close to being attractive. The ones that are attractive most likely have a boyfriend or fiancee. Hot girls in their mid- to late-twenties don't stay single forever.
Party like a rockstar? There are no rockstars in business school. There are business school students in business school. It is completely different from undergrad. It is completely different from living in a major city in your early twenties with a good job and no other responsibilities.
brady wants to dunk his balls in a girls mouth, not in no wata cup. yhearddddddddddddddd
and btw columbia dropped grade disclosure as well
School: Grade Non-Disclosure? Harvard: No Stanford: Yes Booth: Yes Wharton: No Columbia: Yes Tuck: No Kellogg: No Sloan: No Haas: Yes Fuqua: No Darden: No Stern: No Ross: No Yale: Yes Johnson: No Tepper: Yes Anderson: No Kenan-Flagler: No Goizueta: No
I'm going to take the bait...
You are selling yourself short Yes B-School will have prettier girls than your hedge fund, but that's the wrong benchmark. Also, you might be just another smart kid at your fund, but you are currently probably in the top 5% of 20 somethings in the US. Are you taking advantage of that?
Go beyond your social circle - Finance is male dominated and there are even fewer pretty girls at hedge funds than in banking. - Don't limit yourself to the best restaurants, exclusive golf clubs and other status oriented professional hang outs. The only single 25 year olds you meet there are guys. If clubs aren't your thing, go to an art event or something. - The number AND quality of women the further you get away from finance is quite astonishing. Date someone without an ivy league education (or no degree at all), you'll learn a lot and will mature as a man.
Life is short - Don't piss away your 20s waiting for b-school to start having fun. No amount of carried interest or prestige will bring these years back. - You need to learn how to have a fulfilling lifestyle now, otherwise, what are you going to do post-MBA?
Also, congratulations to the b-school admits.
Pingafrita: no, my friend is not at UCLA. As I said, he's at a top 5 program.
Relinquis: thanks for the thoughtful comments. I've read your other posts, and you're quickly becoming one of the top posters on WSO. Without delving into too much details, I had a hard time socially post-college due to a number of reasons. Lately, however, I have been going out more, attending networking events, and trying to be more active socially. Although I'm happier now than I was say 3 years ago, I still don't think there's anything I can do now that will come close to b-school in terms of excitement and fun. B-school is such a unique environment, with a plethora of activities and opportunities, that it's not something one can replicate while living in a big city as a working professional.
Baddebt88: no, I'm not a virgin.
shorttheworld: I'm like 99% sure that wharton has grade non-disclosure. Where'd you get this info?
Seedy underbelly: Penn is my alma mater, bro. So yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about. The Wharton MBA's were revered and envied on campus. And I have partied there several times in recent years while visiting friends.
The med school is more "prestigious" on the academic scale, but those guys are dorks who almost never go out. And law kids are utter douches. So the wharton mba guys just absolutely clean up with the girls at Penn, and they are seen as the alpha males on campus.
You should go down to philly and check out a wharton party. It's pretty fucking awesome.
LOL. This is not true at all. If there are "alpha males" on campus, they are most certainly the M&T undergrad athletes. Girls love them.
Also, as I'm sure you know, Wharton MBA doesn't hold a candle to Wharton undergrad. And as I'm sure you've seen from WhartonConnect, the vast majority of grads one would want to reach out to, were W undergrads.
Wrong. The m&t kids are smarter for sure, but in terms of social clout and who the girls want to party with and fuck, the mba guys win out easily.
I find it hilarious that a columbia undergrad claims to know more about my alma mater than me.
Who the fuck cares how many girls Wharton MBA students get? If you want to pay +$160k to get a choice of girls, that's your business. Most sane people would probably go to a local student bar and make conversation. Bro, prestige and pedigree doesnt matter to every fucking girl out there. And, I dont know if you're referring to Penn law students as douches or law students in general, but I find it comical that after all these posts and debates, you have the nerve to refer to someone else as a douche. And I was a law student.
FinancialNoviceII: what's up with the straw men? I never said one should spend $160K just to get girls. The number one reason to go to b-school is for one's professional goals. The social stuff is secondary to that but is an important factor.
Girls care about prestige, but different girls define it differently. At most state colleges for instance, they want the guy who's in a "prestigious" frat or on the football team since that's how status is determined. At an elite school like Penn or Harvard, which attract ambitious smart people, a guy at wharton mba or hbs will have enormous social clout.
Alright, you didnt say it explicitly but from your argument, its inferred. I don't believe women, who are in those schools themselves, are falling on their backs, with their legs open, just at the mere sound of someone saying HBS or Wharton. Granted there are different girls out there, but as you say the top schools attract ambitious, smart, responsible people. Yes, HBS students have clout, but I think its premature to brand them as having any more social clout then a Harvard undergrad. Social clout is a subjective thing. I have friends from Oxford, a prestigious name, who have the name but no social skills, so guess what? They get hardly any action.
Simply, the social clout you refer to is gradually exaggerated. Either because 1) The person with the clout has no interest in it (as they are married, or more mature to pass on the college scene 2) They don't know how to use it.
Sorry to rag on you all the time but your conclusions and justifications for business school are misinformed.
Morons like this are exactly why I am trying full capacity to get my next degree outside of the country.
You work in finance in Chicago, probably make some good money, what's the issue with picking up chicks? Why do you need to be at a business school to get girls? As echoed in earlier posts, in speaking with colleagues that have been to b-school, the good looking girls are few and far between, and those that are hot are usually tied down (quite frankly, if you can't pick up a babe at the bars now, what makes you think you'll get a hot chick at school? You probably look like a troll, and it sounds like you commit social suicide every time you open your mouth). Good luck rolling into BU, Northeastern, BC or Harvard undergrad parties as a not-so-hot 28 year old - that only works if you're a stud. Young girls might be slightly impressed by your Harvard MBA status, but at the ages of 18-22, chicks aren't quite desperate enough - they're still looking for a fine piece of meat, and it doesn't sound like you're going to be providing that.
Also, you're looking for an upscale, ritzy party environment but want to pull local college girls from the undergrad party scene? You realize that's a major contradiction, no?
jimbrowngoU, the problem is not that i can't meet girls. The issue is that i'm having a hard time meeting smart attractive women who are also single. In Chicago basically every high-quality woman over the age of 25 is taken. Now, I agree that b-school has a bad ratio (although wharton is now 45% women, and other schools are improving in that aspect). But there are just a lot of opportunities available for single men, through numerous interactions in the classroom, various clubs, social events, etc. And as I said before, the MBA guys can always branch out into other schools at their university.
why is everyone warring with brady on christmas lol
must all be italians/latins who celebrate the day before or jews :P
Brady threads are so entertaining. Poster of 2011 for sure.
21 year old girls don't want to hook up with a guy who is 25, 26, 27 or older. Do you realize how old that is to a college girl? It is a completely different world and a completely different planet to them.
Brady, I can probably guess your hometown in three attempts. Does it rhyme with Swellesley, Beston or Rewton? If not, then it's probably in that area.
If you have to go to Biz school to pick up chicks you are a fucking troll looking loser.
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txjustin, once again you completely miss the point.
I wasn't attacking you bro, sorry if you took it as such.
I understand the point. I think if that's a route you're gonna take then it is a potentially great one. Just quit saying it's nonstop partying and travelling. I also have friends in biz school and they say the 1st year is pretty intense and you keep busy with the workload.
txjustin, I'm guessing your friends are not at a M7 b-school because my buddies at M7 are barely doing any work aside from preparing for interviews. All they do is party and travel.
If you're the kinda person who needs to strive all year round to get decent grades, then you probably won't like HBS that much either. If you imagine the type of people who get HBS or other top B school admissions (top academics, work experiences, and social lives at school, followed by strong performance at work and significant extra curricular achievements at the same time), then it isn't difficult to imagine that these people can easily manage a heavy course load while having a hell of a time in B School. If this was not you before B School, it won't be you at B School either.
You're focusing too much on WHAT experiences people at the top schools have while ignoring WHY they can handle it all.
One is at Booth.
For the love of God, just shut up Brady.
Just shut up.
This is hands down the gayest thread I have ever read on WSO.
It sounds like the pipe dreams of IBD analysts who are mad that they have no life and are looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. It literally has me laughing at the absurdity.
Undergrad athletes get less than B-school students? hahahahahahaha
Girls at an Ivy being attractive?
Wtf is this? lol
^ Spot on. M&T undergrad athletes at Penn get more action than anyone else I know
And Brady, dude, I know a guy just like you (one of my brother's friends from his days at Penn), so I kinda get why you're putting HBS on a pedestal the way you are. But, seriously, you sound like an idiot, so stop.
Get your head out of your ass, kid. You're a columbia undergrad who purports to know more about Penn than an actual alum. When you're old enough, you should go down to penn and check out some wharton mba parties. You'll know what i'm talking about.
This right here is when I knew this thread was a troll thread. There is not a single campus in the USA where the athletes don't get the most ass in school. This includes all girl schools.
MMBinNC, lol. You have no idea what you're talking about, bro.
After reading through this thread, I feel much better about making it a point to party on the weekends during college (and also on Thursday nights during my senior year). It was a lot of fun, and now that I'm working, I know it was well worth it. Now I party even harder on the weekends because I have money. I really think that those that don't socialize are just holding themselves back from it. They have the time, but feel the need to refrain from partying because it doesn't directly contribute to their financial success. Let me tell you, I think it does because it relieves stress and teaches you a lot of things you can't learn in school/ on the job.
Brady: Getting an MBA at Harvard/UPenn/whatever won't change the fact that you're unattractive, socially awkward, and have no "game". How much pussy did you get in undergrad at Penn? If you think that being in the MBA class will change that, then you're delusional and need to brace yourself for the harsh reality that girls don't fuck guys who aren't attractive (I'm not talking just from a physical perspective). Even if you somehow manage to land that one at best moderately attractive goldigger retard, there is another guy out there who graduated from bumblefuck college and is slaying hotter girls than you on a daily basis. Why? Because he knows what girls want. No amount of academic prestige is going to make an unattractive loser turn attractive. You remind me of this guy
The fact that you're getting a boner over a god-damn ski trip shows how pathetic your life is and has been up to this point. You definitely don't need a Harvard MBA to do that shit. It's called "having friends".
Serious question: are you a virgin? if not, have you slept with more than 3 girls?
JDawg, it seems like you're still stuck in the college mode of looking at the world, where the loud-mouthed fratguy gets all the chicks. Reality is a bit different once you're out of college and in the real world. How do you explain my friends at hbs and wharton (average looking guys) who get tons of girls? Women love successful men; you're only lying to yourself if you believe otherwise. And yes, prestige and pedigree play a critical role in shaping a man's social confidence.
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I'm laughing at people saying B-school will be the best time of their lives. Ever heard of undergrad? What were you guys doing, studying in the library on weekends?! My college experience was sick and I feel bad for anyone who didn't get to "live it up" because they were so focused on getting a 4.0. If you're praying that B school will be the end all social experience, it probably means that you lack the social skills to have appreciated your FIRST college experience. If so, I feel bad for you. Live life uninhibited for once.
this is exactly right. Blackfinancier never got the memo
Brady - When are you applying dude? I think you need to get out of Chi town and move back east coast. And when you get here let me know because I really want to see some of these bangin' MBA chicks. I've been to parties at Public House, Pulse and house parties with Wharton people and make I was out with the B list crew because I didn't see an utter bevy of models and hot chicks.
I agree that B school is awesome and you can get laid all the time, but that is a function of having 2 years off and a crew of guys looking to blow off steam. Not sure how much the "I am a Harvard MBA" will get you laid though. Honestly, why not just lie to women now and tell them you at Chicago or Wharton. I mean any chick that would bang you because you go to those schools is stupid enough to fall for a lie.
ANT, I'm going to be applying next fall. My friends were pressuring me to do it this year, but I felt that I wasn't ready yet. Still beefing up my extracurriculars and other aspects of my resume.
I'm not going to say that wharton is filled with "models." But the girls there are a lot hotter than you would think. The first year-class this year at wharton and also HBS have quite a few lookers, and yes, there's rampant hooking up. The great thing about being an MBA student at an elite school is that you're at the top of the totem pole at your university, hence giving you easy access to girls at all the other programs.
Chicago is great, minus the weather. The problem is that I moved here without knowing anyone, and although I've made a few good friends, Chicago's social scene is very cliquish. Basically if you're not from the midwest and/or went to a big 10 college, it's going to be hard finding your place. So b-school will be a great time to exponentially expand my social network.
Yeah, I understand what you mean about cliquish cities. Sucks. Have you given serious thought to Columbia? Might be a better choice since you not only have the university, but all of NYC to prey on. From my experience NYC is much more open than say Boston/Philadelphia.
Side note. At Wharton they have a thing where all the single men and women mark who they like or would hook up with. Then, when spring or fall trips are being planned, the people who marked that they would hook up with XYZ are put on the same trips, basically ensuring a "good" time. ha.
The Chicago social scene is awful for outsiders, in my opinion. All my good friends here are also transplants. I just don't quite click with the typical big 10 frat boys.
Yes, I'm definitely applying to columbia and will probably visit next spring or so. If I really like it I might apply early decision.
Didn't know that about Wharton, but I'm not too surprised. The social scene there is absolutely sick. I know for a fact that I will be slaying tons of chicks at a top b-school.
I know for a fact that you won't
"Slaying tons of chicks" doesn't equate to "slaying tons of hot chicks." I'm probably applying next fall as well, and I am friends/work with quite a few people that have gone to M7s (Columbia, MIT, HBS, Tuck, Kellogg), and we've gone through this ad nauseum – not sure if it's the dude-to-chick ratio, or single guys becoming more desperate, but the "hot" chicks at MBAs are not hot in the real world. Sure, there will be some decent looking chicks, but what those decent looking chicks become hot due to their relative appearance (and eagerness of guys like you who want to fuck anything that walks). We've done Facebook lookups on the "hottest" girls that were in their classes at the schools listed above, and I saw less than a handful of legit smokes – and naturally, they're only hooking up with the best looking guys in the class. So unless you're a top 5% in the looks category (and you carry yourself socially a whole lot different than you have in this thread), good fuckin' luck.
A bit of Psychology-101 analysis, if I may (when else will this class come in useful?):
Brady developed his inferiority complex at Penn around the M&T/Huntsman kids, and now believes his only way of 'topping' them is making it to HBS (a program that he has consistently placed on a pedestal), and perhaps subsequently bragging about it to them. A few Engineering/College students at Penn have insane inferiority complexes because they're always comparing their 'pedigree' to that of the M&T/Huntsman kids. Sad, since Penn is a fine institution in itself.
Haha. This was hilarious. Thanks for the comedy gold, kid.
Another thing that nobody has mentioned is that REPUTATION is huge at business school. This is not undergrad. You are not considered a stud if you smash tons of chicks. In fact, you are considered a total shit bag and your reputation at school and professionally could be seriously tainted. Girls do not put out in business school because the last thing they want is the reputation of a slut. The first gate keeper at all the prestigious firms is usually an alum of your school and these alums talk to the second-year students. If you think for one second that rumors don't circulate into the corporate world you are absolutely crazy. I guarantee that stories about current students spread like wild fire among alums. Do you really want to be THAT GUY or THAT GIRL that just smashes everyone after parties and gets that reputation professionally? People know everything about everyone.
Go to business school and you will see what it is really like. It is not like you are making it out to be.
It's true that the rumor mill in b-school runs wild. But lot of people still hook up and date because quit frankly, they're there to have a good time and could care less about what people say. Of course, if you go overboard, you will probably be featured in the annual follies show. Lol.
Seriously, threads like this make me question why I still visit WSO.
@all clowns dissing Brady, listen up kids, you're not as cool as you think you sound. The fact that you clowns are posting on WSO trying to pick an argument shows you're not the pussy-crushing alchoholic (actually, this part might be true) alpha-males you think you are. Stop trying to act cool and get on with your lives. Also, a word of advise for the kids whose repartee consists of "I sure am glad I spend my weekends partying" - maybe this is why you're also complaining recruiting is so tough this season...think about it and have a good day.
@Brady, dude, I honestly have no idea whether you're a troll or not. I'm going to bite though, and assume for a moment you're not a troll. Clearly you know what you want. Now, instead of forcing your views of B-school as the gospel truth, use the resources on this site to work towards your goal. By repeating the same points like a broken record, you're diluting your credibility (which would be a shame because you're one of the few posters with a real job).
@mods - Would have expected one of you to have locked this thread by now.
My brother went to Sloan, and based on what he tells me, I wouldn't recommend you go there if you're looking to ball out for 2 years. He claims he had more fun during his analyst years (non finance).
Congrats everyone.
Anyone else wanna be there when Brady tries to put the moves on a girl?
Me me me! It'd be more embarrassing than.... well, me putting the moves on the ladies
This thread is like an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Everything Brady says makes me cringe in embarrassment for him, but for some reason I can't stop reading.
Larry David definitely gets more ass than Brady.
You could always.... lie......to.......women?
Where the fuck is Braverman when you need him. BRAVERMAN! GET IN HERE AND STRAIGHTEN THIS SHIT OUT FOR FUCKS SAKE. Be the internet father he never had. take it for the team
Unlike the vast majority of posters I:
A) am not a high school student B) actually attend HBS C) am female (and a fairly laid-back, unbiased one)
In general, and while I am very happy to attend HBS, what is discussed is quite different from what actually goes on: The females (and males) at HBS are not overwhelmingly attractive or much more attractive than someone you'd meet in a bar The females are EXTREMELY activist/feminist in general. i.e. they actually expect to be treated like ladies, not objects, and raise big points of debate about any gender issue in class Most students are in relationships or married so there is not as much "rabbit fing" as some people think Everyone knows everything all the time so if you are "rabbit fing" your section will skydeck you that week and everyone who doesn't know will know Dating at HBS = a bad idea. Hitting up surrounding schools or Boston bars = better idea. Forming your personal value system / "how to make the most of 2 years" = best idea. You are not paying to f***. If you want to pay $200k to have sex all day, hire a pro There are a lot of parties, but I partied while working too; who cares. Generally, students are serious about their work, especially during recruiting season. Everyone wants to say they got a "1" in FIN. Unfortunately, only 15% of students will get a 1 in FIN due to forced curve There are about 200 or so active partiers in the RC who you see at the Wednesday and Thursday night parties. The other 800 stay in and crank cases in the week There is a fair bit of work. While there are not problem sets, etc, like at some schools, there is a fair bit of reading (60-100 pgs a night). The prof's can smell BS a mile away so you can't just show up and say some s*** for participation grades. You will get docked for that and they will call you out in section It's expensive, but so is any good investment
I will say that I will probably never be around such a huge concentration of talented, energetic, over-socialized people again, which I value greatly.
Feel free to PM me on any of the above or anything in-between.
Cheers
OffTheGrid, thanks for this informative post. Finally, someone in this thread who actually knows what she's talking about.
If you don't mind, a few quick questions:
I have no idea how "attractive" the HBS student body is, but a few friends who are in your class have said that there are a decent number of good looking girls, much moreso than they expected. They think this is due to hbs accepting less finance people and drawing from more non-traditional industries that tend to have hotter people.
Regarding the social scene and dating, I'm surprised by your comments since HBS is now a lot younger (most people are between 24-26 years old). So I would imagine that a lot of your classmates would be single. Also, do the guys in your class do well with the non-harvard girls in boston by virtue of their HBS pedigree? Or is brady just full of shit when it comes to the power of the "H-bomb?"
I thought grades don't matter at HBS? Why do people want 1's in finance so badly?
HBS no longer has grade non disclosure as of last year or two years ago
There are firms that will hand you a piece of paper during an interview and say, "write down your core grades." Getting a 'B' in finance or accounting can mean a ding for bankers and low grades in general ding a consultant. If you want to see grown men cry, stand in the halls after a business school finance final exam lets out.
Thanks for clarifying a lot of the misinformation on HBS. It's refreshing to read a serious well-informed post.
I'm surprised that so many people in your class are married, engaged, or in serious relationships. Very different from what i've heard.
Can you describe a bit more about your classmates and why you find them so impressive? Is it because most of them have a "blue-chip" resume? Or are they really interesting people with a wealth of life experience?
I'm stunned that people were actually crying after an MBA final exam.
Wow, I can't believe I read through this, especially since I am not even in the office.
Anyways, I'll bite on a few things:
Brady: you seem like a decent dude, don't listen to all these people shitting on you (well maybe the few people that know what they are talking about). A lot of ex co-workers/contacts/friends are at HBS/Wharton/Stanford GSB and their experiences are much similar to what OffTheGrid alluded to in her post. I think you have an idea of what you really want out of Bschool, but it may not be in line with reality. For me, Bschool is a revolving question, as I am seeing the path to where I want to be without it, but agree it is a great thing to add to any resume.
OffTheGrid: solid insight, very similar to other reputable source info
Bottom line, if you didn't get laid in ugrad, aren't getting laid in your current life/traveling/have friends/enjoy yourself, this is not going to change because you get to meet Suffolk girls with your HBS hoodie on.
Thanks for the kind words. You make some good points.
Lost in all this though is the fact that I do have legitimate professional reasons for wanting to pursue an MBA at a top school. It would be very difficult to achieve my career goals without it.
Moreover, I really miss being surrounded by very smart talented peers. That's the part about college I absolutely loved. I felt this acutely when I visited booth. Being inside the gorgeous pristine harper center and overhearing discussions on finance literally sent chills down my spine. I felt alive for the first time in a while. The intellectual energy was infectious.
Wow.
I went to Wharton and heard two chicks talking about p/e ratios... I came
everywhere
honestly though... if hearing a conversation about finance was the first thing that made you feel alive in a while, your life sucks
Ha, made me think of this:
Brady, everyone is giving you shit for saying you want to go to b-school to bang all the hot MBA chicks all over the place. Understood you want to go for professional reasons, for the network, for the intellectual stimulation, and for the general feel of being surrounded by smart, successful individuals. I just think it'll probably be slightly different than you expect.
I actually had beers last night with a good friend and his older brother who is a first-year at HBS. He's married, so his view may be a bit skewed, but he echoed the sentiments of the poster above. Some hook-ups among the singles, but there are no rampant sex parties and girls certainly aren't dropping their pants for any HBS student. And he commented on the quality of females, basically said he's thrilled he wasn't going into b-school looking to meet chicks because, well... it's not undergrad.
Married students have a very different b-school experience from the single guys. It's not even comparable.
PRISTINE CHILL
Brady4MVP is a successful proprietary trader with a long, storied career and he has "other career ambitions". This is like the governor of Iowa wishing that he could be a mayor of a small town in Switzerland where everyone is so much richer and cooler and the girls are all hotties.
Oh boohoo Brady. Stop whining and go win some football games.
Wait... how does going to b-school equate to one big, awesome party? A bunch of over ambitious, slightly socially awkward people in one place - sounds like a buzz kill. Great career move, bad place to party.
If you want to party hard come get an MBA from my piece of shit non-target school. My undergrad was one big cluster f**K of people that only wanted to rage Tuesday-Sunday night. You can't have it all man, I guarantee you the best parties are not to be found at b-school. On campus recruitment will be horrible but at the end of your two years you'll be able to drink a 300 pound Irishman under the table and have more STDs than Paris Hilton.
youre a real bum Brady. Go eat some chicken bim bim bop and stop dreaming about HBS
Sure, wouldn't disagree, but he and his wife are young and I know like to go out and drink, and he brings her around quite a bit. He doesn't let his marriage get in the way of the networking and social events at school... So he sees and hears a lot of what goes on. And, obviously, he sees the chicks at HBS all the time, and the fact that he's married has nothing to do with his judgment there.
Your views of what b-school will be are just a bit misconstrued. When are you applying? This coming fall? Did you attend undergrad in the Boston area? Just curious. Apologies if this is known information, haven't paid a lot of attention over the past few months.
I'm applying next fall. I'm actually a re-applicant.
No, I did my undergrad at Penn.
As much as I give you shit, I'd be so happy for you if you got in haha
scottj, thanks!
Brady how is it that you keep referring to this plethora of friends, each of which just happened to have called you last night and randomly made a statement which refutes one of the many arguments on here which you disagree with?
BTW... I second that there are much better places to get your MBA if your number one goal is having a much awaited social life and finally losing your virginity. Stanford and Ross, come to mind off hand... Columbia for its location... for that matter any of the good b-schools in Londo.
Marcus_Halberstam, when did i ever say that my b-school friends called me last night to refute the points? I talk to them occasionally, and they tell me what's going on. I also visited hbs and wharton last fall and went to a bunch of parties, so i got a firsthand view of what the social scene is like there.
For nye, my b-school buddies are literally all over the world: tokyo, paris, sydney, rio, etc. Meanwhile i'm stuck in fucking chicago due to work and can't find a decent party to go to. I don't think any rational person can argue that my social life won't be exponentially better if i were in b-school right now.
^ Chicago is a very decent city.
It could be worse, you know.
Also, to add to marcus' recommendations for b-school social life: Duke-Fuqua, NYU-Stern, UCLA-Anderson, Dartmouth-Tuck. All are incredibly socially active environments.
seedy underbelly, yes, Chicago is a nice city. But I'm tired of it. Craving for more excitement and adventure and really want to meet a lot of smart talented people. My body and soul literally ache when I think about what I'm missing out on by not being in b-school. I have to distract myself in order to dull the pain.
...or Hyde Park.
Whoooaaaaaa
If I were at booth i would NOT be living in hyde park. But yeah, i agree that neighborhood is absolutely dreadful.
Philly is not my cup of tea, but it's not THAT bad. Center city and especially rittenhouse square are quite charming, and there are some pretty damm good restaurants. The Penn campus has gotten extremely gentrified (the trend started in the mid-late 90's under president judith rodin); when I went back last fall I almost did not recognize it. Tons of restaurants, bars, and stores. And of course, there are still the food trucks that I absolutely adore. The girls in philly are horrendous though. It's a shame since there aren't that many good pickings for the alpha wharton mba guys and future masters of the universe. However, Penn undergrad, med, dental, and nursing have some hotties.
...why cant you just go to Rio or Tokyo with your friends now? Last I checked these places require only a passport, not a HBS student ID. I really think you need to get your own shitt together and realize that going to b-school or anywhere else isnt going to change the issues that make you not like Chicago.
Brady4MVP - please take my advice seriously. I want to be constructive and hope you don't take this the wrong way.
As discussed in the multitude of other threads, your impression of business school is extremely flawed and it isn't one 24-hour party. Recruiting, especially, is an extremely intense period that wears people down physically and mentally. Your friends' "ski trip" stories aren't very realistic from the first-year business school I know as 50% of the class (pursuing banking, consulting and other early hitters) are extremely stressed out about grades, networking and preparations. My school didn't report grades but the first-year was still very intense where people often skipped parties and there were no class trips to speak of (though a lot of trips came about in the spring time and for second-years).
Also, you are severely damaging your reputation on these boards. Of course, there is a degree of separation from real life with your internet persona... but then again, you are risking your real life prospects here. If current business school students (who review your initial applications and conduct admission interviews) like myself read and remember all this, we might also figure out who you are and your application could be severely jeopardized. Your HBS infatuation could eliminate you from the running at Columbia... You keep on trashing on Chicago so you might as well kiss Booth goodbye... Your talks about how MIT Sloan kids feel inferior to HBS kids might not make them very happy...
From what I have casually, you are a re-applicant, around 32 years of age, went to UPenn undergrad, based out of Chicago, Asian male, work (underpaid) at a hedge fund and from New England originally. Believe it or not, there aren't too many people with this profile out there. It doesn't take much for someone to figure this out and automatically ding you for your HBS fetish. Please stop because you may severely damage your real life admission chances.
Let's hope he hasn't damaged his prospects too much. I think this whole board is looking forward to the day Brady posts he's been accepted to HBS...
...Can you just imagine the end of all these posts? ;)
A lot of haters on this board.
Brady's description isn't too far from what i've heard from some ppl. I think his reasons for wanting HBS are perfectly legit, even if he's been drawn into overstating his case by the mean spirited attacks on this thread.
Seriously, what a bunch of fucking "HBS sucks fuck business school" losers. Fact: People who care enough to post what many are posting on this thread didn't turn down HBS because they could get better tail, carreer prospects, or w/e in their current life. They can't get in.
This doesn't seem to be a majority of the posters. Pretty sure anyone who posted in this thread did not say HBS sucks, and most wouldn't say b-school is a waste of time and money - only if you're going to improve your social standing and get laid. There's a slight difference between the two, no?
I would argue that even if you're looking to get back into education purely (or is at least a major part of your thinking) to build up your social life again, business school would be at the bottom of my list.
Brady, go to law school.
I guess you missed the part where I said explicitly that professional goals (getting into IM) are the #1 reason why I want to go to a M7 b-school. The social stuff is important but secondary to professional.
All joking aside, everyone knows how much I hate NYC and would prefer Philly or Hyde Park or Chicago over Midtown.
Midtown manhattan is not a great place to live, unless you're in the east 50's between fifth and third.
Hyde park is dreadful though. I feel sorry for the uchicago students who live there.
No Brady, you mean to say that Manhattan is not a great place to work. Either way, you have a 45 minute commute to a so-so place to live or a 15 minute commute from not a great place to live.
JimBrownGoU and FinancialNoviceII:
Sorry my quotation thing has never worked. I might have been a bit harsh, but I was just annoyed by how quickly a "congrats to prospective MBAs your'e going to have a great time" post turned into a "dude BSchool isn't that great" hatefest. Inability to just be happy for people usually = hater
BTW, this is coming from someone who would probably pay NOT TO attend bschool. Everyone I know that has gone to HBS tells me it is a blast and more than worth it IN EVERY WAY.
I guess you havent read any of Brady's other posts.
I don't really get what makes Philly women more haggard than say NYC. NYC simply has a ton more women. CC has some very high end areas with high end women. I suppose if you are talking about live long Filthadelphia's then yes, they might be uber haggard or abnoxious, but most transplants are decent enough.
ANT, to be honest I was never a big fan of east coast girls. Guess it's my personal preference, but I think girls in Chicago are way hotter than NYC. And of course cities like L.A., San Diego, Dallas, Miami, absolutely blow away NYC when it comes to women.
You know Midas handles geography.
Regards
Lol. At least boston has tons of college girls.
living in midtown manhattan kind of defeats the purpose of living in NYC. the 50s between 5th and 3rd are a wasteland of crappy bars and steakhouses that cater to finance guys. pay up a bit and move downtown or even pay less and live in brooklyn. Generally I am also not huge on comparing women in cities because there are amazing women in every city.
I played baseball in college and lived with 3 of the funniest guys i have ever known in my LIFE... some of the stories I have from college are UNREAL...... one of the key elements for the stories were the fact we were young, dumb and full of.. you know... now thats im older/wiser i doubt i could do half the crap I did in college so i am guessing b school for ME.. would be quite boring
I'm sure college can be a lot of fun, especially if you're at a party school. But I guess at my age, I highly prefer going to upscale parties and travelling to exotic countries with a big group of friends, something that is rather common in b-schools.
and college girls from texas are 10 fold better then any top mba program... combined.
Campus for college GIRLS
U of Texas ASU San Diego St U of Georgia Florida St
two words.... WHITE SHORTS!!!!
litter of what?
Brady, where in Boston do HBS guys hang out? I've never run into one.
They hang out in both cambridge and boston. Lot of nice clubs and lounges.
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