Credit vs. Equity Research
What are some of the key differences between the two? Obviously the security being valued is different, but I imagine you would still be looking at the strength of the company and looking at the same financial statements, etc. Wondering because I enjoy ER, but have some opportunities for credit research as well. Thanks in advance for any insight!
(I posted to AM forum because I'm interested in buyside, but if more appropriate in the ER forum I will add it there)
Credit is focused a lot more on the downside and whether someone is actually gonna get paid back. Take a look at a ER report and Credit report, easy to see the differences
Thank you for the response. Where can I get these reports?
Search online and wso, there's a ton floating out there
Equity: Owning a company at the very bottom of their capital structure, I would say that the research done for equity has to be much, much more involved in digging into the modeling numbers since the upside and the downside volatility is more significant than in Credit (note: assuming there is a recovery rate to the bonds). When I did equities, we focused a lot on relative valuation, upside/growth scenarios, and peer comps. We also had to have more in-depth analysis and investment conviction. Pros: You know a company really well Cons: You have to spend a lot of time knowing a company really well.
Credit Research: There are a lot more technicals involved in even looking at credit. What is the duration of the bonds, YTW, spread, if it’s callable, covenants, unsecured/secured. That is on top of the analysis on where the treasury curve is and will move (bull flattening, bear steepening, etc). Many credit analysts may see that as more portfolio management, but those are all important to consider given how the bonds could behave differently if the company has multiple bonds out or where their peers are trading at different points of the curve. The fundamentals of Credit are the same in understanding modeling the company/revenue/etc. But we put the emphasis on FCF, Cash Flow needs, CAPEX, ST/LT Debt levels, Liquidity at different points in time (when are bonds due, can they come to market and refi, etc). Also important to think how they use their cash flow ($ to buy backs, dividends) vs. paring down leverage. In Investment Grade- there’s such a thin spread over the curve, that downside matter a lot more, since upside is capped. Since there’s usually a huge cash cushion, it’s more about what they’re going to do w/ the money i.e. understanding the long term credit story vs peers in the space. HY- this is my favorite vs. IG, this is messy but where you can make money. You get to play in Leveraged Loans and different parts of the capital structure for where the best value is and where you believe you’re covered (think Recovery Rates vs. risk you’re being paid for). You have to understand the changes in the company and if it can finance itself, its strategy, CAPEX, M&A from internal cash flow generation.. But, generally speaking- because you’re in the higher part of the capital structure in Fixed Income, inherent volatility is less (all else equal) so as an analyst I get to cover more industries and companies (wide coverage) vs Equity (Deep coverage). Which is why I jumped over to credit analysis from Equities. I needed the variety.
Now… Emerging Markets IG and HY Credit Analysis? That’s where the excitement is.
PM if you have more questions.
I was gonna answer, but this covers it. +SB.
I've worked in both and I find that credit analysts tend to be more proficient at financial modelling and financial statements analysis. I know that s a very general statement but I've just seen too many sub-par equity research reports and financial models. The skills amongst analyst are not as standardised as you would find in IB or other pockets of finance. There's just too many JT Marlin like shops operating in this industry with too many people calling themselves 'analysts'. If you work at a fund investing in private debt, you would also get exposure to structuring and documenting credit facilities which can be quite interesting as well.
I will be interning as a credit analyst starting Monday. I was wondering what skills I should definitely make a point to learn that are highly transferable to an ER or hedge fund position. Primarily a hedge fund with a berkshire/pershing/sequoia/greenlight mandate of long-term, deep fundamental investing.
Thank you
Equity vs Credit/Commodity/Other Research (Originally Posted: 09/25/2008)
Of course, this forum is dedicated to equity research, but how would joining a credit research team or a commodity/fx/interest rate research team change the 1) group culture 2) day-to-day responsibilities, 3) respect/legitimacy (e.g. sell-side equity research often is considered to be founded on ulterior motives), 4) pay, and 5) exit opportunities?
Off the top of my head, and based purely on speculation, I would say that the difference is primarily in 2 and 5. 2 would differ because instead of focusing on particular companies and specific sectors, you would do broader research for fx or commodities, for example, and obviously would not need to look at earnings releases, balance sheets, and the like (does not apply to credit research). Exit opportunity-wise, I would imagine a transition to trading or buyside research/HFs is possible for all, but the number of equity-based opportunities will differ from the number of credit/commodity/other field-based opportunities. To be honest, I don't know which offers the widest set of opportunities, but I would assume that to be equities.
Again, I am talking out of my ass and would be interested to hear a more informed perspective. For those who would advise that I think more about what I am interested in rather than focusing on my 4 criteria, I am genuinely interested in many of the research fields, but understand the obvious need to "choose" one upfront if I am fortunate enough to break into research.
From my brief experience, I know the FI team was a lot smaller, less-respected, and more under-the-radar. In fact, I doubt they even had much interaction with clients. Also, in day-to-day responsibilities, the FI team did mostly excel modeling while for equity research, the tasks were more diverse. That being said, if you want to work for a macro fund or fixed income fund, by all means, FI research would give you better exit ops. It all depends on your preferences.
I agree with the above. I worked in equity research this past summer, and I just had an interview in FI research yesterday. ER is much more client focused and your coverage is more specific. Whereas an equity research analyst might cover 10 - 30 stocks, a FI researcher may cover 10x or even 20x the number of companies. Also, FI researchers (at least at the firm I interviewed with) sit next to the traders on the floor - definitely not a typical ER setup.
This is just a guess, but FI research probably has better exit ops into trading because of this relationship. ER kind of limits you to continuing in ER or moving onto the buy-side with a hedge fund, etc.
quaker.. i just PM'd you..
in my experiences, equity research covers less stocks and exit opps are mostly to L/S HFs. FI covers a few more companies but credit analysts understand CDS bonds loans lcds as well as equities. FI sits on the trading floor and interacts with traders more often. exit ops include trading as well as credit hedge funds (distressed, hy, cap structure arbitrage, etc)
anyone have ideas on how to prepare for a FI/credit research interview?
Thanks all for the replies. Two quick follow ups:
1) Salary+bonus potential for each. Sounds like sometimes, the salary of an FI researcher is dependent on the quality of advice and subsequent pnl of the traders who trade on the advice?
2) When we talk about research in FX, commodities, interest rates, etc., these would be completely different animals? No longer company specific and with a substantially different set of tasks and exit opportunities?
In terms of the intellectual rigor and how interesting the job is on an objective basis (as much as that is possible here), is there a difference between the many different areas of research? Or is it purely how motivated one is and how much interest a person has in the particular sector/area?
Wanted to bump this old thread. Thinking specifically about commodities research vs equities research, and what offers a better trade-off longer term for hours worked vs financial rewards. I like the intellectual rigor question too, and don't have a solid answer for that. Anyone else want to chime in?
Bump, interested as well
Bump - old thread I know. I have a credit research analyst interview with a large BB focusing on a particular industry and probably focusing on the investment grade side (as opposed to HY).
Can anyone provide some more color on credit research? Also, any suggestions on how to prep for the interview?
Also interested in credit research...exit to credit fund a possibility?
Equity research vs credit research (need help with job offers) (Originally Posted: 10/11/2013)
I go to a school the has a co-op program where students work for 6 months out of every year. I just interviewed for positions and need some help deciding on which one would be the most beneficial.
I was given an offer to join UBS in their Asset Management fixed income group in Chicago doing credit research. I know a previous co-op who has explained in detail the work and it seems like a great job, you get to do valuations and research and eventually pitch your research to PMs. UBS given their issues during '08 is still in a tough financial situation and the interviewers straight up told me that they simply did not have the money for any more heads in the division as the present time.
I interviewed today for a small boutique firm called Equity Analysis & Strategy (can you guess what they do?) and the interview went really well. I told them about the UBS offer and let them know I would have to know on Monday morning because of the time constraints on my other offer. The job is brand new and they are hiring 2-4 co-ops (UBS is just me in that role). The two alum running the program told me that I would be able to help build out models and learn everything I could want about valuation and research. In addition to that, the MD I met with mentioned that they are in the process of expanding, so I am hoping if I do a good enough job, I can get a full time offer after.
The pay at both is comparable. EAS is in New York, where I am from while UBS is in Chicago. EAS mentioned I could also learn some credit analysis as well as equity while UBS is simply credit. I think I would be more interested in equity for a future career but again there are no guarantees of anything really so I do not know if a full time offer will be on the table at EAS or not.
Any advice or points to bring up?
I'd lean toward the UBS offer simply because it's more well known. It helps a recruiter make an easier decision when there is a recognizable firm name on the resume.
Bump. I need to decide on Monday. Anyone else have any thoughts?
UBS. You can often go from Credit to EQTs, but not the other way round.
One last thing on credit, if your thesis is right, at maturity you'll be proved right, there's a legal catalyst. With equities, you're still at the whim of the market.
Good point. x3 for UBS.
Equity vs Credit vs Economic Research (Originally Posted: 11/26/2013)
Could anyone explain to me what the main differences between these fields within Research are? Also, which one has the most promising future?
Equity you research equity, credit you research credit (those bond and debt things) and economic you research the economy and shizz.
Credit is the bestest. All the best research credit.
Word; less writing.
So in equity research, you're building a model with outputs like Price-to-Earnings, Return on Equity, and fun things like 'Price Targets'. In your reports you're probably talking about "WHAT THE MARKET DOESN'T UNDERSTAND," even though the market probably understands it perfectly well and you're just looking for a way to justify your opinion to a client or your boss. In debt research, you're basically building the same model but with outputs like Leverage and Coverage, and your report will say something like, "X IS SIMILAR TO Y BUT X HAS A HIGHER YIELD SO LET'S BUY IT, YO."
Meanwhile, economic research involves picking whatever topic is currently en vogue -- Yellen v. Bernanke, for example, or maybe what this holiday season is going to look like -- and saying "THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER IT WILL DRIVE MARKETS THIS IS HUGE, GUYS." If you're working in economic research, it's important to explain all market moves in terms of this singular topic. Regardless of whether it moves up or down, you need to have a convincing, causal story to tell.
All three basically boil down to putting lipstick on a randomly generated pig, with that pig being your "Analysis."
Hope this helps. (I work in one of the three).
in terms of recruiting, is one more competitive than the other (credit vs equity research)??
Equity or Credit Research at JP? (Originally Posted: 01/21/2010)
Which has the better reputation at JPM? Equity or credit research?
i think its equity, but not too sure which sector anyways they are strong in economics and derivatives research if that is of any help
jpm's credit research group is ranked #1 on the street: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-02/jpmorgan-fixed-income-group-to…
jpm's equity research is ranked #2 behind barclays
Barclays is not above JPM in research. Barclays is not number 1 in research (close in the US, but nowhere near in Europe or Asia).
What's the difference between a Equity research financial model and a credit research financial model? (Originally Posted: 05/29/2014)
I am interviewing for a credit research position and was wandering if anyone could tell me difference between the two models or better yet send me an example of a corporate credit research model?
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