Same thing happened with the Trayvon case. We had the DOJ overseeing this. The press fueled their ratings focused narrative and the sharptons of the world whipped people into a frenzy.

IMO, police brutality is an issue as it the militarization of the police. I also thing black males are targeted by the cops. That being said, poverty and lack of education begets crime and both of these things are prevent in the ghetto. We should focus on providing opportunity to impoverished individuals instead of tasking cops with keeping control of a powder keg we create.

My issue is that only one verdict was ever going to be acceptable. The cop was tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. Maybe he did use excessive force. I'm not saying unequivocally that he didn't. But we had a legal process oversaw by the DOJ and there wasn't enough to bring this to court. People are acting like it is obvious when in reality there is a lot of grey.

Sad situation all around.

 

This is what happens when social media gives everyone with an opinion a voice. After reviewing all evidence a grand jury determined there wasn't even probable cause on any of the 5 counts to open a case, they aren't determining his guilt, just whether cause exists to find out if he was guilty. I'm not going to repeat the statement that was released but it was pretty cut and dry. Most of the witnesses were full of shit, those who weren't were supported by the physical evidence.

The only people "cooking" the case are morons waiting to pounce on any shred of information, verified or not, to support their conclusions. They are focusing on the riots because acting like an animal and burning down your own neighborhood is ridiculous behavior. The odds are they would have done so regardless, those people wanted to riot.

 

Well, he should have been killed at the grocery store after choking out the owner. I know I would reached behind the counter and shot him with whatever I had if I was working there.

Brown was lucky to be alive - too bad he kept pushing his luck. Probably shouldnt fight cops unless you wanna die.

Also: “You're too much of a pussy to shoot me.”

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Mike Brown's DNA being on the gun was a pretty convincing sign to me that he was trying to kill Wilson in the police car.

Mike Brown is being portrayed by the media to be a great kid, who was gunned down for sport. This kid appears to me to be a menace to society. If anyone has seen the convenience store video he looks like he's ready to stomp out the little store owner when he approaches him at the door.

 

Can we talk about how the media frames everything. They are absolute trash. Like whenever anyone tells me they work in news or reporting I automatically think bottom of the barrel.

Nothing is fair, informative or unbiased anymore. I literally cannot even read Bloomberg now. All trash.

 

I understand their rage, but the blame can be laid on the the news and people who created this narrative. I bet if you looked at crime stats there have been endless murders in that town. But this is the only one the news cares about.

 
TNA:

I understand their rage, but the blame can be laid on the the news and people who created this narrative. I bet if you looked at crime stats there have been endless murders in that town. But this is the only one the news cares about.

There actually hasnt though...

That was the first murder of the year.

And with the investigation, they said that Mike Brown got hit in the car... ran away... Got hit AGAIN..... then... Turned back and ran toward the gun..

Who does that?

 

Please delete this thread right now. I can't take it anymore.

Yes, media perpetuates stories for ratings. Yes, the uninformed often have the loudest voices. Yes, public opinion is trying people prior to the judicial process. Yes, some people play the race card. And Yes, there is still racism -- both individual and institutional -- in America.

ThanksObama

"They are all former investment bankers that were laid off in the economic collapse that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have no marketable skills, but by God they work hard."
 

If guns are standard issue so should body cameras...that is the bottomline for all of these situations.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 
bfin:

If guns are standard issue so should body cameras...that is the bottomline for all of these situations.

SB'ed.

cops say it invades in privacy and is like the government (my brother is a cop and tells me how they feel about it), but honestly, the cops just dont want to have accountability for things that dont even relate to handling potential criminals or situations.

my bro said it's mostly the lazier cops or corrupt ones that are extremely opposed to it...

i think it would help both sides. it would allow more substantial evidence that can bolster the not only a civilian's word, but a cop's word as well.

 
bfin:

If guns are standard issue so should body cameras...that is the bottomline for all of these situations.

I agree with this comment but the largest majority of police departments have budgets that don't really come close to meeting the needs of such technology. Same can be said for further training, equipment maintenance, the list is quite long.

So, that being said, let's look at Brown. For those that take the time to read the evidence there are multiple witness accounts of Brown CHARGING at Officer Wilson. Also, they clearly showed he went for the officers gun. Combine those factors with a man double the size of Officer Wilson, who already had punched him, clearly demonstrated he intended great bodily harm to Officer Wilson. People need to take the racist blinders off, this was a good shoot.

Live thug life, win thug prizes.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

yeah,... michael brown was no saint.. At some point you have to accept that just because he was shot dead does not mean he was blameless. As @"ArcherVice" said, the grand jury had all the facts.

I haven't listened to much news about this but I heard in passing that the blood splatter patterns on the ground indicated that brown kept moving towards the cop as he was getting shot for over 20 feet. Combine that with the fact that he had a history of criminal behavior and it actually is not too much of a stretch to think that the cop was actually threatened by him.

 
The Real Max:

Read through the witness testimonies FROM THE COURT CASE. Cop was 100% in the right, and I'm usually extremely skeptical of these situations. If a 290lb 6 foot 4 man robs a store, injures you, and then charges at you, it's not a race issue.

he actually didnt rob the store. he never called the police.

if you look at the tape, he actually paid for the items. the dispute was over him having an ID.

also, Darren Wilson is 6'4"... not some small guy himself.

 
handullz:
The Real Max:

Read through the witness testimonies FROM THE COURT CASE. Cop was 100% in the right, and I'm usually extremely skeptical of these situations. If a 290lb 6 foot 4 man robs a store, injures you, and then charges at you, it's not a race issue.

he actually didnt rob the store. he never called the police.

if you look at the tape, he actually paid for the items. the dispute was over him having an ID.

also, Darren Wilson is 6'4"... not some small guy himself.

^Not the important details of the case at all.. I don't care if the guy was Verne Troyer on his way home from volunteering at a soup kitchen. You don't try to shoot a police officer with his own gun period.

 
handullz:
The Real Max:

Read through the witness testimonies FROM THE COURT CASE. Cop was 100% in the right, and I'm usually extremely skeptical of these situations. If a 290lb 6 foot 4 man robs a store, injures you, and then charges at you, it's not a race issue.

he actually didnt rob the store. he never called the police.

if you look at the tape, he actually paid for the items. the dispute was over him having an ID.

also, Darren Wilson is 6'4"... not some small guy himself.

Any rebuttals to the other parts that actually constituted the shooting? I don't think Wilson being bigger himself minimizes that he was assaulted by Brown and then charged by him.

 

I agree with TNA just a sad case all around. It is probably true that Michael Brown was in the wrong and might have even attacked the cop but nobody unarmed should be gunned down 100 feet away in front of their whole neighborhood when they are unarmed. It also sad the cop and his family life is forever changed when more effective training could have not put either of the people in question in the position they were in.

I would agree the media is most to blame for this, as they constantly reported things that were not true or verified and both sides of the extreme perpetuate their rhetoric making a hostile situation worst.

But I think it is also naive to think that law enforcement does not specifically target black males whether it be in poverty ridden areas or not. And I am not saying law enforcement agents individually are being "racist" more so that the system or culture as a whole targets us. In this specific instance the targeting was valid as an actual crime had been committed. But in many other cases it is not valid and that needs to change.

"When you expect things to happen - strangely enough - they do happen." - JP Morgan
 

They account for a very small portion of the population but a big slice of all crimes, same with hispanic demographics... It isn't institutionalized racism, sadly it's just fact. Those demographics commit more crimes, they are also searched more often, which is the dog and tail in this situation? The culture that needs to be changed is the people committing the crimes, not the people enforcing the law.

The same culture that isn't vilifying those "witnesses" who gave false testimony to crucify an officer just because he was white, aren't being prosecuted for perjury. Those upstanding citizens get a free pass though, nor do they receive any criticism.

 

Those are the facts as blacks and hispanics make up the majority of urban poverty ridden areas where crime is prevalent. But my point was referring to those who are targeted and have not committed a crime. Again this instance this was not the case but in some instances it is. And you are completely correct the culture of breaking laws and morally bankrupt black community needs to change and go away as well.

"When you expect things to happen - strangely enough - they do happen." - JP Morgan
 

2 things at play here: the immediate issue of should the officer be charged as well as the bigger issues of racism, police brutality, income inequality, and a ton of other topics.

the immediate issue is clear, there wasn't enough convincing evidence to charge him, so there's that. you can have your opinions, but none of us were there, none of us saw the forensic evidence get presented, so it's all speculation. the justice system is imperfect but it's good enough in my opinion.

racism, police brutality, income inequality, et al, those are issues for another day. I'm biased because my black grandparents worked themselves out of poverty and have no respect for "hoodlums" as they call them who play the race card but don't distance themselves from bad influences.

we could debate this to death but I personally don't care.

edit: this is decent fodder for a troll post about a cop who was involved in a high profile case, wanted to know what his chances at b school are or exit opps.

 
thebrofessor:

2 things at play here: the immediate issue of should the officer be charged as well as the bigger issues of racism, police brutality, income inequality, and a ton of other topics.

the immediate issue is clear, there wasn't enough convincing evidence to charge him, so there's that. you can have your opinions, but none of us were there, none of us saw the forensic evidence get presented, so it's all speculation. the justice system is imperfect but it's good enough in my opinion.

racism, police brutality, income inequality, et al, those are issues for another day. I'm biased because my black grandparents worked themselves out of poverty and have no respect for "hoodlums" as they call them who play the race card but don't distance themselves from bad influences.

we could debate this to death but I personally don't care.

edit: this is decent fodder for a troll post about a cop who was involved in a high profile case, wanted to know what his chances at b school are or exit opps.

troll post? How are you bringing up me asking a community for advice as a negative? I thought that was the point of that thread, and every other thread in here...

I shared my opinion on a national case, and wanted to find out what other people thought

If you don't agree, fine. But I dont see how I'm a troll when everyone else gets to share their opinion, but I dont...

 
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My observation of the Ferguson, MO case is that it's yet another example of how morally bankrupt the American black community is. It's not genetic inferiority--we're so closely related genetically that racism is simply idiotic--it's cultural inferiority. The black American CULTURE is inferior to white and Asian American culture (although Hispanic American culture is only nominally better). The out-of-wedlock births, high crime rate, enormously high murder rate, high school dropout rate, poverty rate, rap culture, entitlement culture, etc. The black American community is nothing short of Third World. The community is an embarrassment to this country. Michael Brown sowed the seeds of violence and he reaped its harvest, and the response, once again, to perceived racism is to riot and destroy the way Muslims protest Israel--like wild, uncivilized beasts. Pathetic.

Although the U.S. has an imperfect justice system, it's the best justice system on Earth. Probable cause is an amazingly low bar and the grand jury, after observing all the evidence, couldn't even find probable cause. The uncivilized savages in the street, unfortunately, aren't educated enough to understand what that even means.

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@"Virginia Tech 4ever" I totally agree. To riot on perceived racism where the full scope of evidence is unavailable is ridiculous and simply barbaric. It gives us a glimpse of the entitlement culture and logic being applied. I can imagine the racists who see the actions of those involved in the riots will only have reinforced views.

The rioters and the media are pathetic.

 

I agree 110% with this. The African-American community is morally bankrupt. It used to not be like this, but LBJ's Great Society destroyed the traditional black family and encouraged welfare and having kids out of wedlock. Liberal programs, rather than uplifting the black community, made it engulfed in a vicious cycle of dependence and self-pity. Rather than accepting personal responsibility for their actions and working hard like the Asian-Americans, blacks have deeply shamed themselves through their behavior. Despite being 12% of the U.S. population, they account for 50% of all violent crimes. They routinely attack innocent random whites and Asians as if it's just a game to them. They have destroyed almost every great city they have moved into. And black schools are a total nightmare. I have no idea where the fuck the adults are in the black community, but race hustlers such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton certainly are not one of them.

I really hope blacks take a look at themselves in the mirror and reflect deeply on their predicament as opposed to blaming everyone else. The U.S. government has done so much for them since the 60's, going out of their way to accommodate them. Affirmative action, for instance, allows subpar blacks to enter elite colleges easily. What more do they want? When will they become responsible? One can only hope.

 
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They routinely attack innocent random whites and Asians as if it's just a game to them. They have destroyed almost every great city they have moved into.

Wow.

 
mbavsmfin:

I agree 110% with this. The African-American community is morally bankrupt. It used to not be like this, but LBJ's Great Society destroyed the traditional black family and encouraged welfare and having kids out of wedlock. Liberal programs, rather than uplifting the black community, made it engulfed in a vicious cycle of dependence and self-pity. Rather than accepting personal responsibility for their actions and working hard like the Asian-Americans, blacks have deeply shamed themselves through their behavior. Despite being 12% of the U.S. population, they account for 50% of all violent crimes. They routinely attack innocent random whites and Asians as if it's just a game to them. They have destroyed almost every great city they have moved into. And black schools are a total nightmare. I have no idea where the fuck the adults are in the black community, but race hustlers such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton certainly are not one of them.

I really hope blacks take a look at themselves in the mirror and reflect deeply on their predicament as opposed to blaming everyone else. The U.S. government has done so much for them since the 60's, going out of their way to accommodate them. Affirmative action, for instance, allows subpar blacks to enter elite colleges easily. What more do they want? When will they become responsible? One can only hope.

i agree with the cycle LBJ put into place... i think it was detrimental.

But you said every city blacks move into, the city gets destroyed?

In history, europeans have cause havoc all across the globe. I know i'll get negged, but hey... it's just a forum. Haha.

With blacks in america, they're really only concentrated in certain areas, and have been that way dating back prior to the introduction of segregation laws.

Not sure what you mean by blacks moving into areas and making it worse.

 
Virginia Tech 4ever:

My observation of the Ferguson, MO case is that it's yet another example of how morally bankrupt the American black community is. It's not genetic inferiority--we're so closely related genetically that racism is simply idiotic--it's cultural inferiority. The black American CULTURE is inferior to white and Asian American culture (although Hispanic American culture is only nominally better). The out-of-wedlock births, high crime rate, enormously high murder rate, high school dropout rate, poverty rate, rap culture, entitlement culture, etc. The black American community is nothing short of Third World. The community is an embarrassment to this country. Michael Brown sowed the seeds of violence and he reaped its harvest, and the response, once again, to perceived racism is to riot and destroy the way Muslims protest Israel--like wild, uncivilized beasts. Pathetic.

Although the U.S. has an imperfect justice system, it's the best justice system on Earth. Probable cause is an amazingly low bar and the grand jury, after observing all the evidence, couldn't even find probable cause. The uncivilized savages in the street, unfortunately, aren't educated enough to understand what that even means.

a couple things wrong with your statement.

it's not a "black" thing.. it's a poor thing. The reason why the numbers are so high is because poor people make up a larger percentage of the black population.

there have been numerous studies to show that the economic conditions are much more of a driver, because middle class and upper class blacks do not commit crimes at the same rate.

It's actually at a better rate than their white counter parts.

Also, there has been statistical evidence that shows black people get almost 3x the sentencing as their white counterparts.

You're lumping all black people together when it's primarily lower class and poverty stricken people... Middle and upper class black people somehow get grouped along with them.

When a crazy white guy shoots up a theater, it's not looked at as a "white" problem. When a crazy Asian guy shoots up a school, it's not an Asian problem.

And finally, you spoke of the riots.

There were riots in Seattle after the Super Bowl, after Joe Paterno got fired, and at Huntington beach after the surf competition. But their not "third world"?

 
handullz:
Virginia Tech 4ever:

My observation of the Ferguson, MO case is that it's yet another example of how morally bankrupt the American black community is. It's not genetic inferiority--we're so closely related genetically that racism is simply idiotic--it's cultural inferiority. The black American CULTURE is inferior to white and Asian American culture (although Hispanic American culture is only nominally better). The out-of-wedlock births, high crime rate, enormously high murder rate, high school dropout rate, poverty rate, rap culture, entitlement culture, etc. The black American community is nothing short of Third World. The community is an embarrassment to this country. Michael Brown sowed the seeds of violence and he reaped its harvest, and the response, once again, to perceived racism is to riot and destroy the way Muslims protest Israel--like wild, uncivilized beasts. Pathetic.

Although the U.S. has an imperfect justice system, it's the best justice system on Earth. Probable cause is an amazingly low bar and the grand jury, after observing all the evidence, couldn't even find probable cause. The uncivilized savages in the street, unfortunately, aren't educated enough to understand what that even means.

a couple things wrong with your statement.

it's not a "black" thing.. it's a poor thing. The reason why the numbers are so high is because poor people make up a larger percentage of the black population.

there have been numerous studies to show that the economic conditions are much more of a driver, because middle class and upper class blacks do not commit crimes at the same rate.

It's actually at a better rate than their white counter parts.

Also, there has been statistical evidence that shows black people get almost 3x the sentencing as their white counterparts.

You're lumping all black people together when it's primarily lower class and poverty stricken people... Middle and upper class black people somehow get grouped along with them.

When a crazy white guy shoots up a theater, it's not looked at as a "white" problem. When a crazy Asian guy shoots up a school, it's not an Asian problem.

And finally, you spoke of the riots.

There were riots in Seattle after the Super Bowl, after Joe Paterno got fired, and at Huntington beach after the surf competition. But their not "third world"?

Wow. Talk about a swing and a miss.

When I'm discussing black American culture I'm obviously discussing the larger economic failure of the black community. I thought that was pretty clear when I rattled off the elevated poverty rates, high school dropout rate, unemployment rate, out-of-wedlock births, etc.

Obviously my statements don't apply to the middle class and upper class black community. Geesh. The larger black community in the United States is an obvious failure compared to its counterparts in nearly every other racial demographic. You would think a bleeding heart liberal such as yourself would want to understand why. But it's easier to assign blame to white police officers than to ask why several hundred black people are murdered in Chicago every year.

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Yeah, agree with above. I think the racist narrative is a little over played. Plenty of black cops stop and frisking and getting violent. These inner city neighborhoods have a very confrontational relationship with cops. Chicken and the egg situation though. Confrontational for good reason sometimes, but it just perpetuates an antagonistic relationship.

Media is garbage though. Absolute. Istead of providing facts they jump on anything to sell papers. I'm at the point where freedom of press is almost a dangerous thing.

The trash we have now is detrimental to this country. Sad since press should be a tool for information and empowerment.

 
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Some of those eye witnesses should face perjury charges. Just making up stories and then admitting it later is pretty outrageous. I know it's more trouble than it's worth to file the charges but that is total BS.

Agreed. I'd make an example out of them--at least the most egregious ones.

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adapt or die:

Some of those eye witnesses should face perjury charges. Just making up stories and then admitting it later is pretty outrageous. I know it's more trouble than it's worth to file the charges but that is total BS.

should darren wilson face perjury charges? We dont question the inconsistencies of how they said he had no knowledge of the alleged "robbery", and yet, he says he did... Even though nothing was called in.

 
handullz:
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Some of those eye witnesses should face perjury charges. Just making up stories and then admitting it later is pretty outrageous. I know it's more trouble than it's worth to file the charges but that is total BS.

should darren wilson face perjury charges? We dont question the inconsistencies of how they said he had no knowledge of the alleged "robbery", and yet, he says he did... Even though nothing was called in.

At least his depiction of the shooting and struggle is consistent with the physical evidence.

 

Asian store owner's lives matter!

When will the liberal media start caring about Asian store/business owners who get harassed everyday? How does it feel when your parent owns a little corner store and gets harassed by another Mike Brown everyday?

Liberal America does not care!

 

Get off that divisive rhetoric, sensationalist America doesn't care. Making "liberal" into a conservative swear word, is exactly the kind of shit you are trying to point out. None of which undermines your contention, where is the press for the constant harassment business owners in those neighborhoods receive and why aren't they interviewed.

 

I don't think it can be attributed to African American culture specifically. https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots

Culture begets violence, but it's not just black culture that causes it.

I'd say that, in this case, the rioting is the result of social conditions that have become unbearable. None of the violence is justified at all, but these people are rioting to release long-suppressed emotions on discrimination of their kind. It's easy to simply dismiss this violence as "criminal activity, plain and simple," but it's more complicated than that.

 

I'm not attributing the rioting to black culture. I'm attributing to black American culture the whole 3 or 4 months of protesting, the looting, the 45 ignored black murders in St. Louis since Michael Brown's death (that's the number I heard quoted--even if it's half that…), and lionizing Michael Brown (a thug) as a hero. They--black Americans at large (not all, but the majority)--are so dedicated to this belief that racism is all around them that they can't even see that it is THEY who are responsible for their own demise. St. Louis is one of the Western world's murder capitals. It's a murder capital because the black community has slipped into an abyss of its own choosing, not because of the over-policing of white police officers.

The fact that Michael Brown, an individual who is among the lowest forms of life (not the lowest, but among the lowest), has been made a hero by the black community speaks volumes about the collective character of the black American community. The fact that time and again the black American community and its enablers among the effeminate, pusillanimous white liberals consistently pre-judge situations and demand that the rule of law subordinate itself to collective misplaced outrage speaks volumes about what a society run by these groups would look like. My guess is that that society would look a lot like the Democratic Republic of Congo, Venezuela, or Libya. And to me, a group of people that would choose to live like a Third World nation deserve neither my respect nor my sympathies.

The black American community has no one but itself to blame for its chronic failure, a failure not witnessed among East Asians, Jews, the Irish, American Indians, Eastern Europeans, or Middle Eastern or Persian immigrants. I can't even blame the black community's white liberal enablers; how can I blame them when the black community happily submits to its collective enslavement earnestly and joyfully? A half century of voluntary slavery to white liberals. What a pathetic existence.

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Virginia Tech 4ever:

The black American community has no one but itself to blame for its chronic failure, a failure not witnessed among East Asians, Jews, the Irish, American Indians, Eastern Europeans, or Middle Eastern or Persian immigrants. I can't even blame the black community's white liberal enablers; how can I blame them when the black community happily submits to its collective enslavement earnestly and joyfully? A half century of voluntary slavery to white liberals. What a pathetic existence.

Other immigrant groups came here because they wanted to. They believed in the freedom, the opportunity, and the chance to do well. In many ways, there's a selection bias as far as immigrants who come here go.

This is particularly notable in the case of asians, often referred to as a model minority. The Chinese Exclusion Act meant that for a long while, no asians came to the US. It wasn't until the 80s when universities accepted large amounts of highly skilled and educated Chinese students that immigration came up again really, and that is selection bias at its very max; only taking the best and the brightest of a country. It's no wonder they had great success here in the US. It's an extremely skewed population.

Compare this to the history of African Americans; they have long been in the US with racism institutionalized against them. From slavery to Jim Crow and separate but equal, blacks have faced far more systemic oppression than other groups. Throw in the fact that the earliest ancestors were supplanted and taken to America against their will, and had their entire cultural identity stripped away, and you have a far less positive experience than other groups. Their culture has been built and has had to endure 200+ years of oppression and poverty.

Stuff like income inequality is important because it drives incentives to be successful and work hard. But it becomes a problem if people don't believe in the system, and even worse when people have nothing to lose and that world is against them. That's the backdrop we as a country face when dealing with troubled communities.

Overall, comments like these are what trouble me. These issues are so complicated, it's shocking how simple people try to make them to be, and how simply they think about it. People don't go beyond 1 or 2 levels in thought and analysis. Just because these are all immigrant or minority groups doesn't make them directly comparable. No one here would even do that with comps, why try to do it so simply here?

 

I wanted to avoid this story but I just got to throw this out there as briefly as possible bcuz discussions like this on the internet are a waste of time. The media has got to go. It's the biggest enemy to this country. They hold the keys to as much destruction and chaos as they so choose, and in cases like this they seem completely oblivious to the fact (or far more likely, simply don't give a fuck). Think of the hundred different ways this story could have been framed. How about "Criminal gets shot by cop" (notice the completely raceless framing). Probably wouldn't have caused much of a stir. Probably also wouldn't have drummed up a ratings feeding frenzy amongst the media. Now, how about "White cop shoots innocent black man"? Now we're talking! Btw, isn't it ironic how the decision was aired during prime time television when the most destruction could occur, instead of at like noon or something. Hmmm, it's almost like they care more about their ratings than any sort of social order. And don't get me wrong, it's great business. They probably did great off this story. But at what cost? A cop's life was literally just ruined and an entire city is now in shambles. All because the media pillaged a story for ratings and now they're just going to leave its dead corpse smoking there as they search for their next victim to sink their teeth into. It's absolutely disgusting and it blows my mind that it doesn't get more attention. They're just pissing on our heads and saying it's raining. The amount of power they literally have at their fingertips to cause social unrest is both shocking, and ridiculously dangerous. And in case it wasn't clear, I'm casting zero opinion on the underlying case here. This was purely a high level comment on the media itself. There's an entire judicial system in place to deal with these things. Instead of just letting that work, the media (with a fraction the amount of information those ACTUALLY dealing with the case have) package it up into the most provocative and sensationalistic form possible before distributing it out to the sheeple who were patiently waiting to have their opinion handed to them. Ratings go up, lives get ruined, cities get destroyed, and our country gets further divided. All in a days work. It's good to be king. Whatever, fuck it. /rant

 
Dr.Seuss:

I wanted to avoid this story but I just got to throw this out there as briefly as possible bcuz discussions like this on the internet are a waste of time. The media has got to go. It's the biggest enemy to this country. They hold the keys to as much destruction and chaos as they so choose, and in cases like this they seem completely oblivious to the fact (or far more likely, simply don't give a fuck). Think of the hundred different ways this story could have been framed. How about "Criminal gets shot by cop" (notice the completely raceless framing). Probably wouldn't have caused much of a stir. Probably also wouldn't have drummed up a ratings feeding frenzy amongst the media. Now, how about "White cop shoots innocent black man"? Now we're talking! Btw, isn't it ironic how the decision was aired during prime time television when the most destruction could occur, instead of at like noon or something. Hmmm, it's almost like they care more about their ratings than any sort of social order. And don't get me wrong, it's great business. They probably did great off this story. But at what cost? A cop's life was literally just ruined and an entire city is now in shambles. All because the media pillaged a story for ratings and now they're just going to leave its dead corpse smoking there as they search for their next victim to sink their teeth into. It's absolutely disgusting and it blows my mind that it doesn't get more attention. They're just pissing on our heads and saying it's raining. The amount of power they literally have at their fingertips to cause social unrest is both shocking, and ridiculously dangerous. And in case it wasn't clear, I'm casting zero opinion on the underlying case here. This was purely a high level comment on the media itself. There's an entire judicial system in place to deal with these things. Instead of just letting that work, the media (with a fraction the amount of information those ACTUALLY dealing with the case have) package it up into the most provocative and sensationalistic form possible before distributing it out to the sheeple who were patiently waiting to have their opinion handed to them. Ratings go up, lives get ruined, cities get destroyed, and our country gets further divided. All in a days work. It's good to be king. Whatever, fuck it. /rant

Very much agreed; the way the media spread ambiguous and downright misinformation was irresponsible. It created a lot of anger that, with the greater context of racial tension and issues today (see other recent spats like the guy who was choked to death by an officer, and a rookie cop shooting someone on sight in Brooklyn), has snowballed and built momentum into what it is now.

 

Someone else mentioned this, but I'l just mention it again. The media is more to blame than people in this thread are giving credit...the media chooses to show what is it it's own best interest. All these "facts" that people are using as a foundation of their arguments need to understand the context that these "facts" are being presented it..Once we as American's are willing to say we have a problem in our country the sooner we can fix it. This isn't about black or white even though the media wants us to believe it is...its about haves and have nots..and it's just that simple. If you believe in your heart that someones skin color causes them to be "morally corrupt", or violent I'm not sure you are a reasonable person. But if you are able to see that more than just skin color but how people are essentially told to act..provides more insight into why things are the way they are. With that I'm done with this thread I refuse to pander to the out right racist statements being made in this thread...

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 
virtu333:

Very much agreed; the way the media spread ambiguous and downright misinformation was irresponsible. It created a lot of anger that, with the greater context of racial tension and issues today (see other recent spats like the guy who was choked to death by an officer, and a rookie cop shooting someone on sight in Brooklyn), has snowballed and built momentum into what it is now.

Agreed. Ppl can argue the underlying story all they want, but I'm not even touching that. Take it back a couple steps: there was a powder keg sitting there and the media threw a match on it.... point blank. Now a city is destroyed and tensions flared. Regardless of what your stance on the actual story is, I don't see how anyone can possibly disagree that this was mishandled. Completely irresponsible use of power and it merely gets lost in all the noise.

 

Wait, Brown 100% robbed that store. His own buddy confirmed it in his statement. He robbed the store and assaulted the store owner.

Not that doing something like justified being murdered, but I simply hate how the press decides to paint a picture one way and when facts or evidence shows something different they scream that you are tarnishing the dead or something stupid.

 
TNA:

Wait, Brown 100% robbed that store. His own buddy confirmed it in his statement. He robbed the store and assaulted the store owner.

Not that doing something like justified being murdered, but I simply hate how the press decides to paint a picture one way and when facts or evidence shows something different they scream that you are tarnishing the dead or something stupid.

So we can take his word on the store robbery..

But we cant take his word on what happened in the shooting?

 
handullz:
TNA:

Wait, Brown 100% robbed that store. His own buddy confirmed it in his statement. He robbed the store and assaulted the store owner.

Not that doing something like justified being murdered, but I simply hate how the press decides to paint a picture one way and when facts or evidence shows something different they scream that you are tarnishing the dead or something stupid.

So we can take his word on the store robbery..

But we cant take his word on what happened in the shooting?

There was a video of him robbing the store.

Dude, believe what you want. Doesn't impact my life. This story is old news at this point.

 
handullz:
TNA:

Wait, Brown 100% robbed that store. His own buddy confirmed it in his statement. He robbed the store and assaulted the store owner.

Not that doing something like justified being murdered, but I simply hate how the press decides to paint a picture one way and when facts or evidence shows something different they scream that you are tarnishing the dead or something stupid.

So we can take his word on the store robbery..

But we cant take his word on what happened in the shooting?

Quite different to confirm the robbery (VIDEO) and something else like when his friends stupid actions resulted in his death. There is NO way anyone should expect a nice outcome when you reach for a police officers gun, period.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

Oh, I understand now. The apologist is the same person who started this thread.

The DA never wanted to take this to trial because they knew there wasn't enough evidence. Just like with Trayvon. Both DA's did this in order to appease the Fed and the race hustlers. Maybe this was an unlawful shooting, but the fact is the evidence wasn't enough to even go to trial. Browns friend confirms there was a struggle, that at one point Brown handed him the cigars he stole to hold onto. The autopsy refutes the initial story that Brown was executed.

This would have never happened to me. You know why? Because I don't do the following:

1) Rob stores 2) Walk in the middle of the street 3) Tell cops to fuck off 4) Resist arrest 5) Punch cops 6) Charge cops 7) Hang out with people who do similar things

Amadou Diallo was 100% a case where the cops were wrong and racist. This is not the case that civil rights advocates want to hang their hat on. And it turned out just like the Trayvon case turned out. Media hyped it, but reality confirmed or supported the cops store.

 

I honestly hope not, but who knows.

He essentially makes the same points about black culture as VTech made earlier. It can't be denied. Obviously not all black individuals share this culture, but it is most definitely a majority.

 

I'm a STL native, so maybe my comments are worth a grain of salt.

In my opinion, the take away from this case should not be centered on police brutality, racial profiling or the extent of white privilege. Instead, what the country needs to be taking note of is that the Ferguson riots (and subsequent ones that've popped up around the country) reflect the TRUE nature of Black* culture.

Liberals and other bleeding hearts love to masturbate to their championing of affirmative action and the plight of the african-american, but most of these people have NEVER had to spend any time in close proximity to how these people live and act.

I grew up further in STL county, and the school district I went to had a program where they would bus inner-city kids in so they could attend our schools (Blue ribbon and nationally recognized). Trust me, these people ARE NOT interested in learning. They start all of the fights, disrupt class, make up the majority of expulsions and suspensions, and are generally an enormous drain on resources that could otherwise be spent on students interested in trying. Sure, there are the odd half-dozen or so that put forth the effort and make great friends, but they are the minority of the minority. Our otherwise flawless test score and graduation rates are brought down primarily by the performance of the students that are brought in from the inner-city area.

So when people from the Midwest, or other areas with a high black population, seem to have a problem with blacks or maybe side on issues in favor of "whites" its not because they're actually racist and hate black people, it's because they've seen first hand that the only thing these people contribute to jobs or a community is destruction, drugs, crime, and are nothing more than a burden on tax payers. All they want are handouts and enough government support to their degenerate life style.

My hope is that the rest of the country notices this, and we can finally move on from this feel-good affirmative action bullshit. Because it honestly is a huge waste of time and resources.

*When I say "Black" that is not an overall generalization. I'm talking about the types of people we've seen starting the riots, speaking out with ridiculous claims over this whole thing, and in general the trouble makers. There are plenty of african-americans who are capable of being members of a civilized society, being productive, and climbing the ladder to success. These folks typically do not need affirmative-action support either.

 

Yup. I experienced this myself when growing up in a suburb. Once blacks started moving in en masse, crime skyrocketed (our place was robbed twice), shootings would take place in the neighborhood, and the quality of the local high school plummeted. This school was once considered one of the nation's best public high schools; within a decade it became a total hellhole. My family, along with many others, were forced to move to a suburb further away to escape this situation. The high school I went to was almost all white. It was an OK high school but not that great academically. Fast forward about 15 years, and now my nephew is a freshman at the same high school I went to. During the years that followed after my graduation, a large number of Asian immigrants (most were lower-middle to middle-class, certainly not wealthy by any means) moved to the area. What do you think happened to the school? The high school soared in academic strength. Whereas I was the first person EVER to attend an elite college, now the school regularly sends kids to those schools. According to my nephew, being smart is considered cool at the school.

Bottom line is this: due to differences in culture and what the parents teach their kids, Asians enhance the quality of schools while blacks undermine it. And yet, liberal whites tormented by racial guilt (very few of these whites actually spent time in black neighborhoods) insist that blacks are still victims and use AA to engage in their perverse social engineering and discrimination.

 
snakeoil:
B4SH:

Learned a lot in this thread.

What did you learn - why don't you elaborate?

Still processing it all. And it's finals week ha.

[quote=mbavsmfin]I don't wear watches bro. Because it's always MBA BALLER time! [/quote]
 

I laugh at how people went STRAIGHT to the black community instead of talking about the case. That should let you know where most of society thinks about this.

About the riots:

  1. It was actually a smaller group of people. Nothing like the MLK assasination riots. Media sensationalized those people
  2. Pumpkin Festival, Seattle Seahawks Superbowl, Surfside beach... All riots that did MORE damage than the Ferguson Riots...

It's crazy how people just say "Pull ya pants up and everything will be ok" and ignore how white people are just treated differently in this country.

One thing I've noticed in being inside of the poor black community, poor Hispanic community, and the more affluent white community is this: White people are SO far removed from what minorities go through and but still finger wag and denigrate on stuff they dont even know what they're talking about. And when minorities call attention to it, instead of saying "Hmmm... Well, lets talk about it," you go straight to finger wagging and blaming.

White affluent people still think black people are using up all the government aide instead of focusing on the corporations that skip are FAR more taxes. Lol.

Yes, black people need to improve. Just like white people, and asian people, and Hispanic people. But these bullshit Black-on-Black crime statistics have you all's minds so screwed up, you think black people and hispanic people did it to themselves.

Jim Crow is 50 years old (not to mention all of the states and cities REFUSED to adhere to the laws initially). Most of the MDs yall work for used White Only bathrooms.

So please, let's talk about the CASE and not the community, because excessive force used by police is a problem in this country...

But instead, yall want to shit on black and brown people. SMH.

The little black kid that got killed in an open carry state for playing w/ a toy gun, the guy that got gunned down in Walmart, the guy in New York getting choked out...

There are PROBLEMS with the police and excessive force, and NO accountability for their actions.

And my brother is a cop... So I'm not speaking out of school, here.

 

People who are not fighting to claw their way up the economic ladder, have the leisure to look critically at our system and to see its flaws.

And yet.. they choose not too... They choose to focus their attention on the people instead of what's the source behind it...

Keep the monkey shits coming, too. Haha

 

Although I sympathize with some of what you are saying, how do you explain the following?

Before the 60's, black families were pretty stable, and black crime was fairly low. This despite the tremendous amount of institutional racism against blacks. I think slavery and jim crow explain the fact that blacks as a WHOLE are worse off than whites; I don't think any reasonable person will deny that. But as I said before, people choose to kill, assault, and harm others. George W. Bush is not putting a gun down a black youth's throat and forcing him to mug someone.

Blacks have a lot to learn from Asian-Americans about personal responsibility, hard work, and education.

 
mbavsmfin:

Although I sympathize with some of what you are saying, how do you explain the following?

Before the 60's, black families were pretty stable, and black crime was fairly low. This despite the tremendous amount of institutional racism against blacks. I think slavery and jim crow explain the fact that blacks as a WHOLE are worse off than whites; I don't think any reasonable person will deny that. But as I said before, people choose to kill, assault, and harm others. George W. Bush is not putting a gun down a black youth's throat and forcing him to mug someone.

Blacks have a lot to learn from Asian-Americans about personal responsibility, hard work, and education.

I'll give an explanation, but I know the negs are coming because people think this is all made up.

There was a dedicated effort to remove the father from the black community. You remove the father and bad stuff happens.

The community thrived prior to the 60s because drugs werent introduced into blacks' society, and the penalties werent as stiff. There also werent the same public assistant programs in place.

The separate-but-equal stance forced black people into their own communities, and had to maintain themselves by making products, farming, etc. The linchpin in this all was that the dominant society wouldnt even TAKE THE MONEY from blacks (keep this in mind). This is where communities like Black Wall Street in Tulsa, OK came from.

The drug penalties picked up in the early 60s which railroaded black men into the prison industrial complex, which is a multi billion dollar industry. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery EXCEPT for punishment as a crime... What other way can you get free labor in this country (which is what America was built on. Check out the slave holding cells on Wall Street. Slaves were the first stock). Even to this day, black people get EXPONENTIALLY more time for the same drug penalties as white people. And upwards of 90% of the minorities in jail are for non violent drug offenses.

Up until recently, you could get FAR MORE TIME for Crack than you could for cocaine (crack contains small amounts of cocaine, so it's like saying you get more time for eating a cookie than a a handful of raw sugar)

The introduction of SNAP and push of welfare ALSO allowed the government to replace the father as provider and head of the household. (If any of you know about welfare, you're NOT allowed to have a man in the house over the age of 18. This is still true today).

Prior to these programs, women had to be more selective with who they made children with. You couldn't have babies with some raggedy joe because if you did, you'd get shamed by the community, but you'd also be stuck. The programs allowed the ladies to be less stringent on their standards, and actually REWARDED them for having more children.

So the double whammy of drug offenses driving the prison industrial system + the introduction of welfare led to the removal of the black father in the 60s... ALL while civil rights laws were beginning to passed. You have to remember that They just didnt wake up in 1964 and say "Oh, let's start treating black people better" The movement was being seen for years...

In your statement about Bush... Where do you think the young black kids get weapons/drugs from? You think a little black boy in Third Ward Houston TX has access to Colombian drug lords and Smith and Wesson gun producers? Hell no.

Again, I'm not saying black people are absolved of everything. But there's a flip side that no one even acknowledges.

What does get reported is that crime is trending downward in the black community just like it is across the nation. Graduation rates are trending upward...

I misquoted earlier. 20 years ago... murders in Chicago were at 9K... They've been halved.

This bogus stat about there being more black men in jail than in college is false. There are actually 300k more men in college than in jail.

FOR THE THIRD TIME... I'm not saying black people are innocent of everything... But people are making it seem like things are not getting better and they are.

 
mbavsmfin:

Although I sympathize with some of what you are saying, how do you explain the following?

Before the 60's, black families were pretty stable, and black crime was fairly low. This despite the tremendous amount of institutional racism against blacks. I think slavery and jim crow explain the fact that blacks as a WHOLE are worse off than whites; I don't think any reasonable person will deny that. But as I said before, people choose to kill, assault, and harm others. George W. Bush is not putting a gun down a black youth's throat and forcing him to mug someone.

Blacks have a lot to learn from Asian-Americans about personal responsibility, hard work, and education.

You do realize most Asian-Americans that you see being successful have parents who are highly educated and weatlhy? Many of their parents are quite literally some of the best and the brightest from their home countries.

There should be zero surprise that they are successful. Same with over half the kids at elite schools everywhere who come from families in the top 1%.

And again, I think I mentioned it before, but being separated from culture/identity vs. having to deal with 200+ years of institutionalized oppression will create very different outlooks.

Man, I have to keep coming in here to clean up this model minority crap. Trying to use one minority group to shit on another...how surprising.

 
handullz:

People who are not fighting to claw their way up the economic ladder, have the leisure to look critically at our system and to see its flaws.

And yet.. they choose not too... They choose to focus their attention on the people instead of what's the source behind it...

Keep the monkey shits coming, too. Haha

Dude, what are you talking about? The media tried to paint this as a "police brutality" thing but anyone who's been following it could see they completely failed. Look at any comment section (where REAL ppl's opinions come through and not the idiots' who control the press) and the resounding opinion from the most conservative to the most liberal outlets was that this was a b.s. race-baiting story and that the real issue is why a small group of people continue to commit a majority of the crime. I also have friends who are from the lower class, minority community and none of them thought police brutality was a problem before this. In fact, being that they have jobs and aren't career criminals, they actually love the cops because they recognize they're the only thing preventing these areas from devolving into complete hell holes.

So again, this was never about police brutality. That's the picture the media tried to paint but most ppl knew the real issue was the structural problems (if any) that cause the persistence of a majority of crime to be committed from a minority of ppl. You know who the media DID fool though? Liberals. The same ppl from OWS who couldn't even give you a cognizant answer of wtf they were looking for. Same shit different day. 90% of them know nothing about being a cop OR living in a bad area yet they're passionate about protesting so they jumped at the opportunity. Media and liberals are a match made in heaven. On the one hand you have the media who have completely thrown any resemblance of journalistic integrity out the window in pursuit of their agendas and/or ratings, and on the other hand you have liberals who are itching at all times to protest something, ANYTHING they know nothing about.

Lastly, comparing this riot to something like the Superbowl is inane. Yes they're both ridiculous and should never happen but short of canceling the game, that's a risk you're unfortunately going to run with major sporting events. The Ferguson riots on the other hand were completely avoidable. I have zero attachment to that city and even I cringed when the incendiary (no pun intended) coverage persisted despite knowing full well how it'd end. Everyone knew it, including the media, and not only was it never toned down- it actually came off as getting toned UP. Imo they are legit as much to blame as the rioters/ looters themselves for what happened. So in sum- not only was this whole thing a red herring from the get go, it also destroyed a city and gave the libs a couple months worth of material. Literally nobody wins here.

 

I honeslty believe the people causing the riot/burning down buildings and looting in Ferguson didn't care about the case of Michael Brown to begin with-it was just an excuse to carry on like that and say the system is always against them. The true people that cared about the case were in fact trying to be peacedul protestors, which unfortunately looked to be a small amount from the news that I've seen.

I also think a lot of these race issues in America are overplayed sometimes...yes there may still be subtle/unsubtle racism and profiling etc but not nearly as bad as 50+ years ago...or so I'm told. Then again, I'm not American and didn't grow up here (neither did my parents, grandparents ect.) so my perception on all this is obviously different.

Side note: there didn't seem to be nearly as much mayhem after the Eric Garner decision, i.e. Protests looked much more peaceful in New York and other places which leads me to believe there's something wrong with the people in Ferguson but what do I know

 

Liberals have GROSSLY exaggerated racism in America in order to advance their political and social agenda. America is one of the least racist countries in the world; the racial progress we have made in the last 50 years is nothing short of miraculous and unprecedented in modern history.

 
mbavsmfin:

Liberals have GROSSLY exaggerated racism in America in order to advance their political and social agenda. America is one of the least racist countries in the world; the racial progress we have made in the last 50 years is nothing short of miraculous and unprecedented in modern history.

I agree racism is exaggerated in the media, but you have to be kidding in that America is one of the least racist countries in the world.

"When you expect things to happen - strangely enough - they do happen." - JP Morgan
 
mbavsmfin:

Liberals have GROSSLY exaggerated racism in America in order to advance their political and social agenda. America is one of the least racist countries in the world; the racial progress we have made in the last 50 years is nothing short of miraculous and unprecedented in modern history.

lmao.

Go to South Africa and see the strides they made in 20 years from Apartheid...

You sound silly right now, bruh. hahaha.

 

I fully support removing cops from the hood if you want. If they aren't there then no violence will happen since we've taken the bigots away. I'm more than happy to double the police force in my part of town. Cops would probably love it since they get nothing grief for trying to police an area where everyone hates cops and refuses to help them solve murder cases.

 

I mean whatever, pull the cops. People hate them. Cops are nothing but racist pigs. Why should they be there. No cooperation, anti snitching mentality. Let those neighborhoods police themselves. They can set community standards and keep their own peace keepers honest. I think it's fair.

Besides, imagine how awesome the high income areas would be with our own police defense force. I want two cops on every corner keeping the tax payers safe.

 

Since blacks think whites are evil demons who spend their every waking hour thinking of ways to hurt blacks, that is the only logical extension of liberal thinking. Doing so would save taxpayers a lot of money. It would put the cops out of harms way as well. Another fact that liberals ignore is that way more cops are killed by criminals than vice versa.

 
mbavsmfin:
Another fact that liberals ignore is that way more cops are killed by criminals than vice versa.

Good point, Mumia Abu Jamal just gave a graduation speech from prison to some no name Extreme liberal school. For some reason hardcore liberals have decided this guy should be revered as a folk hero for killing a cop (shot the officer at a traffic stop). Ben & Jerry's has even donated money to his lawyer costs, etc. Tom Corbett even tried to get involved to stop this clown from being able to give the speech from prison. IMO, it's one of the most insane liberal crusades in this country's history.

 
mbavsmfin:

Since blacks think whites are evil demons who spend their every waking hour thinking of ways to hurt blacks, that is the only logical extension of liberal thinking. Doing so would save taxpayers a lot of money. It would put the cops out of harms way as well. Another fact that liberals ignore is that way more cops are killed by criminals than vice versa.

We don't all think this
 

both of yall sound like damn fools. Lol

Please cite where I said all cops are bad. Please cite where I said pull cops from neighborhoods.

Stop saying black neighborhoods as if all black neighborhoods are bad. You both sound like bigoted tools.

Again... My brother is a cop. I honestly believe 85 to 90% of cops are good guys just trying to do their jobs. Hell, I know the cop in Victoria that struggled w/ that 76 year old gentleman... But the lack of accountability on cops plus the "war" on drugs criminalizing petty non violent offenses is terrible.

Their "blue shield" unwritten law is BS, too.

But hey... Yall can keep living in the bubble and pretending like there isnt a problem with the police force in this country unfairly targeting minorities.

I cant blame you, though. The privilege is real. I'd soak it up too... If I had the luxury. Haha

 

What's funny is since cops have non leathal options the use of these options has multiple exponentially. There was a dude who got tasered and died because of his heart. The family bitches because they tasered the guy.

Cops can't win. I don't even pay attention anymore. Everyone hates them for largely juvenile reasons. Whatever.

 

Lol bigoted.

Please quote me where I said black neighborhoods. OK, keep the cops. I'm cool with whatever.

None of this impacts me I the slightest. And listen guys, if I attack a cop and he shoots me, I support it. Don't protest or anything. I wake up every day knowing if I attack a cop I am going to get killed. I've accepted it.

 
TNA:

Lol bigoted.

Please quote me where I said black neighborhoods. OK, keep the cops. I'm cool with whatever.

None of this impacts me I the slightest. And listen guys, if I attack a cop and he shoots me, I support it. Don't protest or anything. I wake up every day knowing if I attack a cop I am going to get killed. I've accepted it.

I was talking to the both of you.

The other guy mentioned black neighborhoods.

I dont believe that all cops are bad. I think that there should be more accountability, and that they unfairly target minorities.

There's tons of data that supports this.

 
handullz:
TNA:

Lol bigoted.

Please quote me where I said black neighborhoods. OK, keep the cops. I'm cool with whatever.

None of this impacts me I the slightest. And listen guys, if I attack a cop and he shoots me, I support it. Don't protest or anything. I wake up every day knowing if I attack a cop I am going to get killed. I've accepted it.

I was talking to the both of you.

The other guy mentioned black neighborhoods.

I dont believe that all cops are bad. I think that there should be more accountability, and that they unfairly target minorities.

There's tons of data that supports this.

Well leave me out of it since I didn't say black anything.

And I agree they target minorities more. But if MBAs stats are true wouldn't it make sense to target crime ridden areas more? It's a chicken/Egg scenario.

If cops left the hood the unfair targeting would decline.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't respect bigots that talk about privileged. I'm sorry, but I'm not "white". I am European American and my ancestors got screwed out of 4 bucks 200 years ago and I am still pissed.

Furthermore, I guess in bigots eyes all European Americans are the same. Suck a racist statement. People come from different socio economic backgrounds. It's OK. Ignore a person's accomplishments and just focus on their race.

 

I've engaged in this rant numerous times, but if we legalized drugs, increased the minimum wage and stopped allowing illegal immigrants to come to this country we could greatly help the poor community.

The New Jim Crow is a pretty good book to read. Makes a lot of good points.

 

Yup. Economics also doesn't explain why black on white crime is so much more common than white on black crime. After all, the liberal meme is that whites hate blacks and want to hurt them at every turn.

 
mbavsmfin:

Yup. Economics also doesn't explain why black on white crime is so much more common than white on black crime. After all, the liberal meme is that whites hate blacks and want to hurt them at every turn.

I think 2 reasons why blacks are disproportionately violent compared to other races at the same poverty levels is the lack of fathers/family structure and secondly the cultural problem of pressuring others to be "black" i.e. not act "white" ... if a black football player isn't ghetto and has two involved parents, he'll be called a "cornball brother" by other blacks. This mentality is crippling to their culture.

 
mbavsmfin:

Yup. Economics also doesn't explain why black on white crime is so much more common than white on black crime. After all, the liberal meme is that whites hate blacks and want to hurt them at every turn.

I'm really not sure you're getting this 39x more likely stuff from.

This is from a conservative website.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/27/allen-west/…

I just did some simple math to find the percentage of murders based on race

White victim - black murderer : 7% Black victim - white murderer : 3%

If you cross reference that with the fact that (through several tests) that black people just get accused, prosecuted, and sentenced to much stiffer penalties than their white counterparts... Combined with the inherent thought many harbor that black people are bad and white people are good...

You can see that 7% number coming down and the 3% number going up.

http://www.law.washington.edu/about/racetaskforce/Harris_Becket_Sup_Ct…

 

Getting back to the case... It just seems like it was handled wrong.

Much of the information coming out about Witness 40 (Sandra McElroy or something like that) not even being there, the fact that Wilson contradicted his initial statement (saying he was responding to a robbery, after saying he was just asking them to get off the street), and handing the grand jury an outdated law...

I think there was a lot of mishandling during the process.

 
TNA:

Umm, maybe a black guy thinks that acting hood is BS and isn't doing it just to kiss up to white people. That was pretty crappy and basically racist to say that.

Stop trolling w/ the "that's racist" theme you keep running. It's getting played out.

Dude uptop said black people call other black people because they have two parents and dont act ghetto.

That's utter nonsense.

You get called corny when you try to shit on other black people hoping that the dominant society accepts you.

You can criticize the black community in hopes of trying to help them because you want to help your people

It's SO easy to get on national TV and criticize black people... They'll put a microphone in front of you and let you say whatever.

But when you start to criticize the system, that's when they take the mic from you.

 

What's played out is the crap coming out of your mouth. Sorry if you painting all white people as kings and Queen size is called out for being just as racist as painting all black people as criminals.

Not everything is systemic. Yes there are some systemic issues, but you cannot absolve individual choice. And I'm sorry, white people have nothing to do with black kids calling those who studying "acting white" as some kind of negative thing.

And whenever a black person speaks out about what they see or think as being wrong in the black community they can denigrated for not towing the party line.

Dominant society. What is that? Going to school, working. Not having multiple kids out of wedlock, not breaking the law. Man, such a horrible things.

 
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What's played out is the crap coming out of your mouth. Sorry if you painting all white people as kings and Queen size is called out for being just as racist as painting all black people as criminals.

Not everything is systemic. Yes there are some systemic issues, but you cannot absolve individual choice. And I'm sorry, white people have nothing to do with black kids calling those who studying "acting white" as some kind of negative thing.

And whenever a black person speaks out about what they see or think as being wrong in the black community they can denigrated for not towing the party line.

Dominant society. What is that? Going to school, working. Not having multiple kids out of wedlock, not breaking the law. Man, such a horrible things.

Stop it.

You pretend like white people dont control almost all of the resources and run the judicial system in this country.

I'm not putting down all their hard work they've had to get where there are... But if you think that being a non-minority doesnt help, whether it be your skin or what's between your legs, you're fooling yourself.

There are inherent advantages of being a white person, specifically white male, as opposed to being a minority. Sorry you have privilege. Seems like your cage is a bit rattled because of it.

Stop using hyperbole in your statements. It's really a sign of you trying to switch the focus. I never said anything about Kings, queens, or the rest of that sentence that you're talking about.

Stop moving the targets. This went from dude saying black people call other black people "cornball" because they have two parents... To you bringing in kids teasing each other, which is a reach at best.

Kids make fun of all kinds of things so that's a wack ass retort

I was speaking to from a cultural perspective... Middle and upper class black people are not criticizing other black people for talking correctly, or distancing themselves from shitty situations...

Going to School... working... having children in marriages with one partner... not breaking the law.

Go ask a middle or upper class black person what they think of that and they will not respond "Oh, that's acting white'

You continue to lump in the actions of the poor for the entire community. Why you continue to do this, I dont know. I'm more than certain most of you have very limited interactions with black people because the things I'm seeing are filled with dated stereotypes and sound like hearsay.

 

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