deloitte s&o or oliver wyman gmc
offers between the two, both major east coast offices.... which places better into h/w/s???
I know OW has the direct to partnership model, but if you really wanted to go to b-school -- which is better?
also, which has higher quality work -- i.e. more strategy, F50 clients?
OW
I would say OW, less implementation projects if I'm not mistaken. These are the breakdowns for 2013 MBA classes at HBS: http://poetsandquants.com/2011/08/15/top-feeder-companies-to-harvard-bu… Wharton: http://poetsandquants.com/2011/08/07/top-feeder-companies-to-whartons-m…
These stats are for the entire companies, so for Deloitte it's out of 180k+ employees and for Oliver Wyman is out of about 3k employees. I'd say Oliver Wyman may be the better bet, especially if you're looking to get into finance later (after B-School).
Go with OW.
NewEngladah, you do realize that the OP pointed out Deloitte S&O and not the entire firm, therefore you using 180K employees really isn't a fair representation at all considering I'd venture to guess S&O represents 90% of all Deloitte's placement into top MBAs.
Apples to apples comparison would only account for the # of S&O employees vs # of Oliver Wyman employees.
Deloitte guy says to go to OW...should tell you something.
Deloitte guy here as well - If your sole purpose is to get into H/W/S, then it's probably a wash between the two companies. ~90% of the Deloitte number that you see at M7 schools are S&O, and there are only about ~70 that apply to BSchool each yaer (through GSAP program, which is mostly for S&O only).
If you want to do finance, then definitely go to OW.
I do realise that he said Deloitte S&O, just wanted to convey that the numbers aren't just S&O, but rather represent all of the firm. That said, a large majority of the MBAs from Deloitte come from S&O with most of the remainder coming from Corp Fin.
OW if FS, S&O if anything else
OW (as a current employee), top MBA placement is very good from what I've seen of my peers and in talking to my friends at Deloitte S&O, far more OW work is strategy. I'd say OW also presents a better chance for you to move quickly in your career and advance if you're a top performer, while Deloitte will advance you along with the rest of your starting class for the most part
I personally think the work in OW would be more interesting, however I bet that Deloitte S&O may place better for b school. I don't have data to back this up, but it's a feeling I get.
Deloitte S&O or Oliver Wyman -- which is better? (Originally Posted: 11/22/2015)
I have received offers from both Deloitte S&O and Oliver Wyman, both for SF. I am having a very difficult time choosing which one to accept, so I appreciate any advice with respect to the following factors:
I know that OW pays more, so that already leans my decision to OW, though this isn't a huge factor.
Thanks all:)
Sounds like you're leaning OW. If you're looking to go to law school in a few years, the extra cash OW will pay you might be work more than the extra training / more diverse experiences you'll get at Deloitte. OW does more strategy work. Deloitte is also probably better at work-life balance and firm opportunities. They seem to be pretty equal on the "prestige" factor, although OW hires less so you'll have that going for you I suppose.
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Thanks for the advice @vodkaredbull. Just wanted to add that I have no interest in financial services, if that changes anything.
OW has a couple of focus industry in which they are very strong and where most of there projects are in. Financial services is one of them. If you have no interest in Financial Services, you should see if you like the other industries they focus on in the US (Aviation, Healthcare,...). If you like them and if you can see yourself doing most of your projects in these areas, I would say go for OW.
If you don't, you might be more happy at a more generalist place such as Deloitte S&O. Prestige-wise they are both great firms, In my opinion, OW is a notch stronger (reputation and exit-op.-wise), however a large part of that comes from their very good reputation in FS which you don't seem to be interested in.
Both great firms. Congrats on the offers!
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Work life balance Not sure, can't comment.
More strategy work This is a pretty broad factor. Not sure who does more, probably even.
Diverse industries Would bet my money on Deloitte S&O. Easily half of OW is doing financial services (read: risk, capital stress testing) work. They have other focus industries but much smaller than their risk work.
More prestigious Probably equal.
Grad school - would like to go to law school in 2 years. Probably same, although do factor in that OW talks a lot about promoting from within. This may mean there's less support for grad schools, can't confirm.
Interesting firm opportunities, and likelihood of getting these resources (e.g. volunteering while getting paid, taking a sabbatical, externships, etc) Probably equal.
Net-net, I'd likely pick Deloitte, if only for having the opportunity to work on a variety of project types/ industries (one of the more appealing factors of consulting, to me at least). Congrats and good luck.
Deloitte will sponsor an MBA but not law school.
I agree; would also pick Deloitte for sure.
Only go to law school if you want to waste your mid twenties. If you're really interested, I would recommend waiting until you're 30 and attached. No insights on the rest.
I thought law schools only give a shit about GPAs and LSAT?
Oliver Wyman is definitely more likely to get you laid by British chicks (because Oliver! is such a great musical) but Deloitte bros are more likely to get your back when you get in a bar fight at 2 am in Times Square so it's really a toss-up.....
OP, go to Deloitte S&O, and definitely do not go to law school unless you feel it's your life calling.
Would be curious to hear the possibilities of getting hired at Deloitte S&O or Oliver Wyman after working in consulting at another Big 4 Firm for 1-2 years post undergrad.
I'm sure it's possible, but I'm guessing it will be hard right now to break into either as a lateral.
There have been posts here and on r/Consulting about Deloitte laying people off and freezing their hiring. If true, I have to think that laterals are the first thing they will cut back on (campus hiring bring more important from a future relationship perspective). With that said, I think you'd have an easier time if you stuck around your Big 4 Firm for another 1-2 years, got some great recommendations lined up, and went to a top 20 b-school.
Having just went through second-year MBA recruiting I can tell you that both Oliver Wyman and Deloitte are hiring MBAs.
Choosing Between Oliver Wyman (NYC or Boston), Deloitte S&O (NYC or Boston), and LEK (Boston) (Originally Posted: 10/27/2015)
Coming out of undergrad, which of these firms has the best exit ops in terms of industry, PE, and B-School.
Also, is OW good outside of FS? I don't fully understand how they do in other practice areas, and I'm not all that interested in FS. I'd rather work on TMT (especially media) and Consumer/Retail cases.
Thanks!
Oliver Wyman would be my vote. In Boston of course.
Congrats!!
Also....a thousand praises for the username hahaha Professor X.
I think it's a toss up between Deloitte and OW. I think generally I would pick Deloitte, but I hear OW to PE is more likely than from Deloitte. So, with that said, I'd pick OW Boston.
LEK does a ton of PE work, fairly big in that space. Exit opps seem to be decent in PE also.
OW is heavily weighted towards FS, specifically risk. Their other specialties are healthcare and aviation. Projects certainly exist outside of that but I think majority are between these industries.
Deloitte S&O - not sure if they have a specialty by industry. Kind of all over the place, I think.
Ultimately, between these three my vote would be OW NYC for brand, location, and comp (hear OW is better).
Deloitte has the best culture and easiest path to top business school. It will have the best exit opps, by far, outside of PE/finance. LEK is PE DD, and Oliver Wyman is financial services. If you want to do PE, LEK is your best bet...but it's a grinder. You'll be working near banking hours for half the pay.
How are you possibly qualified what culture is "best"? This is just absurd levels of Deloitte pushing. Exit opps to both B-School and Industry are at BEST comparable to OW/LEK, and often are worse due to the types of project you will take on at Deloitte.
OP, I would lean towards OW if prestige is more important to you, LEK if you interested in PE. Boston would be better for the industries you mentioned than NYC.
Congrats on the three offers! All three of these firms have alumni presence at MBA business schools ">M7 including HSW, and do a pretty good job of getting you there. In terms of PE exit ops, from what I've heard OW and LEK are more focused in those areas. With that being said, both LEK and OW are considered to be brutal when it comes to hours. You are more likely to work more hours at these two firms than you are at Deloitte. At the business analyst level you're also going to be getting a wider variety of experiences do to the way Deloitte staffs it's BAs. In terms of prestige, I believe OW > S&O > LEK
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