Will certifications work?
Sorry for post this "stupid" question. I'm just " brand new " here.
I'm an international student and now I'm trying to get some certifications...like the CFA....to improve my compentency. I asked some friends in other schools and they told me that seldom would their classmates in biz school touch the CFA...
How important are the certification in the states? Especially when finding a job....in financial area, like IB and consultanting....
Thx for your answers!
I think it will depend on the job
Observations on the CFA Designation
There are, I believe, a little over 105,000 investment professionals with the designation worldwide. You can reach that level in a single state or even major city in the US with many other designations. So, if you want to differentiate yourself from the competition, the CFA would help in that regard.
Since there was a fair amount of overlap with the material covered while completing my MBA coursework, I took Level I and Level II my first and second years of b-school. There was a decent sized study group of fellow classmates taking the exam, so I don't know why your friends would be so strongly against it.
But to Ron's point, I recommend going to websites of firms you'd like to work and check out the bios of people holding the positions for which you're aiming. Another source of information would be www.linkedin.com and search by company.
I believe you'll find that a lot of hiring investment professionals view taking and progressing through the CFA exams as an indication of a serious commitment to the getting into the industry. I've worked at and heard from colleagues at other investment firms who said many companies view the CFA designation, within the investment/portfolio management/hedge fund industries, anyway, as almost equivalent to a top 20 MBA degree, particularly given the focus and relevance of the materials studied in the CFA curriculum relative to an MBA.
Downside: As mentioned, it's a serious commitment. Pass rates have been as low at ~25% some years. Parts of the curriculum are tedious, time-consuming, and you'll likely find to be irrelevant for your specialty. The number of hours they estimate it takes to get the designation is something outrageous, like 750+ hours (and I think that's assuming you pass the exam your first attempt; a feat not frequently accomplished). Stalla and Schweser (been a while since I took it, but those were the two top "cliff notes' versions of the materials) are expensive. The CFA Institute also costs you ~$250/yr to use the designation per year, though most employers pay this (and reimburse you to a certain degree for the study classes, cliff notes, time-off to study, etc).
To answer your last question(s), in general right now designations and credentials are very important right now. You have a large, experienced workforce looking for jobs and you need any edge you can get.
With respect to IB, I've found there are far more CFA charterholders on the equity research side than banking, though they're on both. With consulting, as in management consulting at McKinsey, Bain, Booz, BCG, etc., designations are far less prevalent (except in their M&A or Corporate Strategy groups).
Hope this helps. I've benefited greatly from the help of some great mentors during my career and always looking for opportunities to 'pay it forward."
Best of luck.
Great post John G.,
I'm sorry kid, but first you'll need a GREEN CARD
GREEN CARD >>>>>>>>>>>>> SCHOOL & GPA > Experience > Certification
Plus there's a pretty good article on how useless CFA Level-1 certification is for entry level analysts on M&I
The importance of the CFA also seems be very correlated to the location of the job. From my experience it is less important in the US (of course unless you are in investment/portfolio management/hedge fund industries like John mentioned) but more important in Canada and in emerging economies. My guess is if you are looking a finding a job in the US it might be less relevant.
BTW, the CFA is a designation, not a certification. Not all too important to most people, but a fellow CFA charter holder will call you out on that right away.
And sure, the CFA is relevant to plenty of research/portfolio management/sales jobs. Not so much to consulting as far as I know.
Separately, you many want to check out "Do I really need a 'CFP'?" which provides some perspective on the CFP certification. Note the write describes the 10-hour CFP exam as " difficult, but not even in the same ballpark as my CPA exam. I needed years of therapy after studying for that, let me tell you." (emphasis added). The CFA program has three, 8 hour exams (the last of which is essay format).
Hey I am not sure about ur city, but I live in Toronto and just passed my CFA level 1 and my gf passed CFA level 2. so far we didn't get any chance to find any related job and we both working in retail banking. I would said having work experience is the first one u have to be worried about. CFA wouldn't help u at all if u don't have work experience.
What credentials bring the most value to ibanking? (Originally Posted: 09/09/2006)
CFA, CPA, Certified Turnaround Professional (CTP) or any others?
none of the above. investment bankers don't have credentials.
An undergraduate bachelor's degree would be the only credential you need.
What are you thinking? Investment bankers don't work with the public, thus no oversight is needed.
all vey true.
http://www.cfainstitute.org/cfaprog/overview/benefits/employers.html
Papers!?! We don't need so stinkin' papers!
Do certifications help?? (Originally Posted: 11/13/2006)
Do certifications like CPA CCM CFA CFM CFP ACCA ACA etc.. help in any way in landing a job in a top ibank??
or just A bachelors degree work??
One of the key reasons to get a certification or designation is to differentiate yourself from the competition so you can get the work experience.
And @Donkishot: Congrats on passing Level 1! don't get discouraged that neither you nor your girlfriend haven't reaped the rewards of your hard work. You're still competing against a very sizable group of experienced people for the positions you're seeking, who may have already completed the CFA program. Given the relatively smaller premium companies have to pay - in the current market - for someone with the experience and the CFA charter, it's going to to continue to be challenging until things turn around.
So, I have to disagree with you about "CFA wouldn't help u at all if u don't have work experience." If I'm looking at two otherwise equal candidates, you and someone else without any progress toward the CFA, I'd hire you. You've shown you're committed to learning more about how to do your job better and absolutely more motivated to get into the industry.
Although unlikely to make you feel any better, go to my website CastlePoint Investment Group and check out the performance section. I now have a 10-year fully documented record. Under the "CastlePoint: profile & philosophy" section, you can download my resume under the picture.
With that as a backdrop combined with the fact I'm doing almost everything I can to land a job, I'm still scraping by at the moment. So while obviously there's no guarantees in life, the smartest thing to do, in my opinion, is tilt the odds in your favor. And earning a worthy certification or the CFA designation will go a long way toward accomplishing that goal.
Best of luck!
i'm going out on a limb here and say ...yes
I am a postgraduate in finance and MBA from a reputed institute.I have two years work experience in Treasury with a private company.
I was wondering if I should go for additional qualifications like FRM and CFA.Will it be any value add to my profile?
I had several insurance certifications, totally unrelated to IB, and it came up several times during the superday interviews. It helped me express my interest in finance and eventually obtain an offer.
Certifications for Entry Level Candidates (Originally Posted: 02/27/2014)
Hello everyone,
I am new to WSO and as a student I just wanted to get the opinion of people with more experience and wisdom than myself. As an entry level candidate looking for a position in real estate finance, are there any certification I should pursue to increase my marketability to employers? If so what are the costs to these certifications and where can I learn more about them?
CFA is getting bigger within the industry and completing a real estate finance certificate or courses at a place like NYU Shack is always a good idea. The MAI designation is well respected, but you need to work in valuation.
Don't chase the CCIM or any of those other bogus qualifications.
I don't know if any entry level guys with the CFA (not to say there isnt) and I suspect that most with the CFA designation came from another finance background.
I've seen some underwriters from lenders with the designation.
He is an entry level candidate. If you are still in college, try seeing if ARGUS will give you the student discount to be "argus certified". I think it runs around $500. It's an online class that consists of 10 or so lessons that walk you through the program. Everyone knows the certification is bs as you don't need to be certified to utilize the software. It is merely for putting it on your resume and saying to the firm that "hey, i know what argus is, and have at least some understanding of the program and what it is used for."
Depending on your location and if you are still in college, I would say looking at organizations like YREP (young real estate professionals) if it is available in your area. ULI (Urban Land Institute) is another good one, and ICSC (International Council for Shopping Centers).
Just throwing some out there, not sure what area of real estate finance you are looking to get into.
Licenses and Certifications (Originally Posted: 04/23/2012)
As a top-tier undergrad business school student, who will be preparing for an internship for Summer 2013, what are good licenses and certifications to have on my resume?
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DID YOU USE THE GOD DAMNED MOTHERFUCKING SEARCH FUNCTION?
I am sick and fucking tired of people posting stupid fucking questions that have been answered in the past and not having used the search function first. Seriously man. Just use the fucking search function and you might have found out what you wanted to fucking know.
Let me give you some fucking advice - and trust me Mr. Top-Tier Undergraduate B-School Student, you'll want to hear this... Do your own god damned due diligence and research before you ask a question. If there is no answer or nothing can be found, then ask. Jeez... what a maroon.
They call him Frieds They call him Staceyyy
I understand we're dealing with young dudes, but Frieds is right. Be more resourceful, please.
What are your goals for next summer? IBD? BB, MM, Boutique?
Are you looking to work in NY, SF, Chicago? Or maybe somewhere like Charlotte?
There are literally thousands of UVA grads working in high finance. Reach out to them NOW, and ask them these questions. It will give you a head start on networking as well.
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