Trump is on his way to begin the formal campaign for president against opponent Hillary Clinton, at the RNC on Monday. The goal at the Convention: "make people know that Trump is the like able person we've all come to know," says one RNC member.
This is a pretty steep trek for the RNC folks. Is he someone that says and acts so despicably that it is the only reason we don't want him to be elected? Can he actually become likeable and thus a worthy president?
Full disclosure: where I come from we all want someone with trumps balls, but not his attitude. I generally agree with this sentiment. Trump is an idiot.
No I do not. I am a Republican and the direction he's taken the party is disgusting. The Charlie Bakers and Larry Hogans of the party should be celebrated, not the lowest common denominators.
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That's not racist at all...
Why do that whole "don't want to integrate with different cultures thing"? That's going to be damn near impossible at this point, y'know.
I will give you full credit for being one of the first honest Trump supporters on this forum. There is no way anyone supports him b/c of policy, his proposed policies are idiotic at best and destructive at worst. Support the guy b/c he is for white America maintaining their privileged societal position, stop the bs about helping the average American.
p.s. your own country? stop it. This country belongs to no one ethnic group or "race"....
Was shocked as I started reading this, then I laughed because it must be a joke.. Surely no one is this overtly racist. But then I remembered I had the same thought when Trump first started running (surely this is a joke) and here we are today
Damn. That's all I can say
Really don't like the Mike Pence pick. Abortion restrictions and anti-gay marriage is just plain dumb.
Really I don't like trump and not want to be like him.
I'm gonna say this and leave. Any Republican who dislikes Trump is pathetic. The Republican party has been the party of Southern religious zealots, big business and homophobia. The same party that has been anti amnesty, anti immigrant and anti women.
All of trumps perceived nastiness is classic Republican and he's finally walked away from the religion, abortion and gay trash. Oh and he is pro union and labor, typical Democrat policy.
Vote for Hillary. She's probably going to win. We will have more foreign war, horrible race relations, more debt and a continuous influx of poor, uneducated illegal immigrants at the exact time robotics and automation is at the point we can replace low skilled workers. Makes total sense.
Oh, and blame the party establishment for pushing Bush III and Texas Santorum. Trump got the nom because he was the least worthless Republican pile of shit.
Really. Because here I thought that intelligent people could discuss politics at a level beyond youtube and facebook comments.
There is no indication that Trump will improve race relations (actually it is almost a guarantee he will make them worse), reduce the debt (he has said quite the opposite actually), or refrain from going to war... Also, he is pretty anti-amnesty/immigrants so I am confused as to how you are decrying the party for that while supporting him when he believes the same shit...
Trump is a colossal breath of fresh air for the republican party and he's come at just the right time. I want more profiling of muslims, no refugees let into the US, strong control on immigration used only as a tool when we need it for workers/demographics.
IDGAF if people think these ideas are racist because I strongly believe in them. I know many well educated professionals that feel the same way, but are afraid to state these beliefs because of the PC police culture we live in today.
Out of interest why/where and how did your family get to America?
My grandfather was issued American citizenship from Ireland in exchange for fighting for the US in WWII as a gunner on the under side of a fighter plane. He was captured in Japan after his plane went down and spent 2 years in a POW concentration camp and survived the Bataan Death March. When he came home to the US, he worked his way up to owning a bar and eventually it became 3 bars, while "Irish" bars, he Americanized them as much as possible. As for his kids, he made them assimilate as best he could, i.e. made them all play baseball and football (not soccer or rugby), he always stressed that the kids do everything normal to Americans because that's the country he loved.
My other grandfather is a southern wasp from Virginia, maybe 4th gen or so, who also fought in WWII.
Both were extremely proud Americans
The people who come into the US now are completely different. They don't assimilate and don't really want any part of being ingrained into the fabric of American culture. All they want is the money/quality of life improvement. Their goal is to stay in groups of their own culture and grow them to the point they take over large areas. They don't give a fuck about this country or it's culture and history.
I am voting for Hillary because I want to work on wall st.
strong this
I have noticed a few things about politics here that do not make sense to me at all (this is larger than the Trump-or-not thing):
Folks who are the most pissed about foreigners (immigration, cultural influence, etc.) are also the same people who think that their country is totally justified invading, killing, toppling govts, providing weapons to preferred armed outfits, etc.. in virtually any other place in the world..
The folks who truly believe their president to be the 'leader of the free world' want said president to act only in their personal interest. Also, how is someone the leader of a free world if the free world does not have an actual say in their election?
It seems that most folks who claim to live for justice, liberty, freedom, democracy, etc.. have accepted that there can and should only be 2 main political views (parties). You either must be one or the other... no other opinions allowed..
People who claim to want to be left alone never seem to advocate removing their own military bases from foreign soil, banning US companies from conducting business overseas, meddling with politics in other places, etc... Hypocrisy much?
I personally would have preferred Gingrich for VP as opposed to Pence. He's got a lot of experience on his feet and knows how the push things through in terms of getting the executive branch on his side. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he was almost able to privatize social security but due to poor timing, the Lewinsky thing happened.
I have no intention of voting for nor can I say I particularly want to like Trump. His very motto "Make America great again" is anathema to me. I constantly wonder what time period he is referring to, because America has been brutal to people who like me for hundreds of years. His economic policies are absurd, at least the parts I can ascertain, dude is pretty vague. I have no idea what he would do from a foreign policy standpoint (other than the Muslim ban) in a world where foreign policy is more important than ever. He constantly and obviously lies to his followers (read the article "fact checking Donald Trump"). adapt or die as someone who wasn't born here and who is part of an immigrant community, I call b.s., most of the people (and definitely the 2nd generation) are proud Americans, they go to the beach to celebrate the 4th like everyone else. These people are black with accents though, they think of themselves as American but I doubt Trump's supporters would agree. Then again, immigrants have never been welcomed with open arms in this country so this is more of the same. Overall the entire political system is a disappointment. The 2 party system is garbage, the supreme court votes according to politics and completely lacks objectivity, partisan bs in congress keeps us from passing common sense laws (why the fk are AR-15s still legal?), corporations have way too much power, and all the while people are arguing about race and "libs vs conservatives" like it'll fix the real issues in this country.
Agree. Social issues are always a distraction. We're now in an election where BOTH candidates are anti free trade. Absurd.
Y'all need to study abroad or something and get some perspective lol
CRE corporations and the rich in general have too much power in politics by way of campaign financing (both personal donations and through PACs). I am not against lobbying as I believe any entity should be able to push for their interests but campaign financing in general is just bullshit. I am 100% in support of public campaign financing (gasp! tax payer money) for pretty much all levels of govt. If you attain a certain figure in polling (let's say above 15% for presidential elections) I believe tax payers should fund your campaign, with everyone getting the same amount of $ depending on what office they are running for. I will celebrate the day we get fundraising out of American politics.
Unions have the same level of power with the other side. The teacher's union, for instance, not only weighs down our education system by making it incredibly difficult to fire poor teachers, but contributes millions to their supporters on the left.
I could get behind public campaign financing though
I like Trump as a person but not that big of a fan of Trump as a candidate. The comment about the Latino judge made me decide against voting for him. It is one thing to oppose illegal immigration and want to stop refugees from coming into the US, very far right views but you can defend them as not being racist. To profile a judge born and raised in the country based on his heritage is just going a little too far, I am sure even people on the far right can understand that.
As of right now, I don't really care who wins but I am not nearly as enthusiastic about a Trump presidency as I was during the Republican primaries.
Interesting point about the Latino judge. I wonder how his stronger supporters view this. Is it view shared by his supporters, or is it just dismissed?
Are you saying it's utterly implausible that a judge with Mexican parents has even a hint of bias against Trump, whose proposed policies involve building a wall between the US and Mexico?
Scott Adams debunks the whole judge fiasco here: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145560612726/the-robot-judge
When does this slippery slope stop? Can we not have white democratic judges preside over any cases involving white liberals? Are we going to stop black judges from presiding over any cases involving fellow black people? Just stop it. His rhetoric was racist and I can't be surprised by it. This is the dude who called illegals rapists and accused them of bringing crime to the U.S. when studies suggest illegals are less likely to commit crimes than citizens, most likely due to fear of being deported. Damn the facts though.
Can we all just learn a lesson from the whole Brexit fiasco? Don't listen to the loud-mouthed, funny-haired guy! He is nothing more than a fear mongering megalomaniac
I am confused. What "fiasco"? Markets are up. Rates haven't jumped. The UK has new leadership. If anything, the EU is sweating balls.
The revisionist history is outstanding, dude mentions how great the moon landing was and ignores the fact that the Vietnam war had the young protesting in the streets, weather underground bombing shit, JFK and MLK were assassinated... I mean are we just going to start cherry-picking the best shit that happens in any given decade and say "Make America great again"? Let's not even go to the 70s and that shit show between the oil embargo and Nixon's presidency.
I guess you don't understand ebbs and flows? I forgot where I mentioned that zero bad things happened before current times.
Vietnam was a low point for the US. Reagan came up with "It's morning again in America" as his slogan. Improved optimism.
Obama was elected on "hope and change". Trump is about Making us Great Again. This country has lost is prominence on the global stage. We've seen Russia and China stepping up on the global stage. We are no longer the leader (whether in reality or simply perception).
Honestly, you must be slow to not see this or understand how this MAGA message resonates with people.
Bob, MAGA isn't just about wars and politics. Economics have more to do with it in my opinion, including this dynamic:
Baby Boomers
40 year bull market If you went to any undergrad you basically were guaranteed a good job If you bought a house you became a millionaire Finally you enjoy the fruits of the market doubling since the 08 crisis while you have the largest share of the equity markets
Millennials
Work hard, get into a good school then ----> saddled with massive debt Get a good job keeping working hard ----> 2008 happens lay off time (at least for me) Enjoy inflation adjusted earnings actually fall since you've been in the workforce, Nice! Finally full employment levels are back, but the number of high paying jobs is a smaller portion of the pie
adapt or die that age is over bro, was a black college grad guaranteed a job in the 50s? How about the ability to purchase a house? Stop it. More people are getting a college degree than ever before so post-college the job mkt is more competitive, sorry you're not vying for jobs against people with HS diplomas. Again, crime is down from that era, less people are dying in war, teen pregnancy is down, more people are graduating HS and college, and we are in a more inclusive age than ever. This ridiculous ideal of going back to the 50s and replaying that era is farcical. As for equity markets, speak to me 50 years from now and we'll see whether it played out well for our generation, I can't make that prediction. Yea it would be great to see inflation adjusted wages rise, but that is up to labor markets not presidential candidates. Then there is the dream that Trump is somehow the way to return to 4% GDP growth in America despite the fact that his economic plans are idiotic.
Jesus you're obtuse.
Get over it isn't an appropriate answer to a voting public. Both dems and Republicans have been negatively impacted by globalization and competing with foreign wages and low COL.
And strop bringing up race all the fucking time. Black unemployment is massive. The black family has been destroyed and black males die at the hands of other black males at tragic rates.
Zero people are talking about going back to the 50s. People are talking about times when there was ample success and the US was a leader.
Learn to comprehend and recognize parallels for godsake.
Good effort, bad post. "The ability to purchase a house." We tried that. It inflated a housing bubble and its inevitable collapse caused one of the greatest global economic headwinds since the great depression. "More people than ever are getting a college degree." Did you even go to college? Let's work through this one's results. The quality of the average college student has become a literal joke. The value of a degree has come into parity with a piece of used toilet paper. And last but certainly not least, it burdened our generation with student loans which will be an economic burden for years to come (with no jobs to pay them down no less). "Yea it would be great to see inflation adjusted wages rise". How can you say that then go on to hate Trump and degrade Brexit. Wage stagnation is caused by globalization and the granting to elites of access to a global labor market multiples larger than they'll ever need. I'm going to assume you're also in support of minimum wage increases? All it would do is worsen unemployment as the jobs would either be automated or the business itself would go red from the increased expense and fold. Oh, and the equity market is a malinvestment bubble through incompetent monetary policy right now. Life's not fair, leftist policies make it even less.
It is simple: I do not believe Trump or Brexit are good for either economy, period. I do not believe he can fix the issue of stagnant wages nor do I believe Brexit will fix it either. Wage stagnation is caused by a myriad of factors, the fact the supply of college educated labor is at an all-time high is probably more responsible for wage stagnation than globalization (engineering pay sure hasn't gone down b/c there are a lot of foreigners with the degree), costs of goods (other than healthcare and education) has also gone down in terms of hours worked (if the costs are decreasing then revenue need not increase), there is a great paper by Michael Cox of SMU on the subject. Why are we discussing the quality of the avg college student? that has nothing do with this conversation and doesn't deter from the fact that we are the most educated generation. Globalization/free trade was mostly a republican ideal until Trump took over the party and enough with the liberal vs conservative bs I don't give a shit about that. I more in support of further social nets for the poor (for example: making public college & healthcare free for those under a certain income) than I am minimum wage increases.
Morons4Hillary I will respond one last time. Black people are getting college degrees at a higher rate than ever before, the murder rate in the black community has also gone down, black teen pregnancy and std rates are down. The black unemployment rate is high comparative to their white peers but that is also trending downwards. Don't let the media convince you our community is making no progress. The U.S. never stopped being a leader, the downfall of the soviet union just left a spot open at #2 which China will probably fill. I understand the electorate is angry they have to compete and I understand get over it isn't an appropriate political answer but I am not a politician, I deal in reality. Globalization will not stop. Manufacturing will never come back. Given these two realities I think we need to focus on educating and improving the populous (coding schools, cheaper higher education, making foreign languages/ computer science a requirement in high schools (in fact they should start teaching foreign languages in elementary school), & promoting technical vocational programs) not reaching for some impossible ideal like getting GM/Ford to pay $50k/yr plus provide great benefits to pull a lever, that era is over and it is looking backwards and not forward. I simply cannot leave race out of the conversation when these great times people are referring to refers to great times for one specific race of people, I hope you can understand that.
Bob, who gives a shit about black people in particular?? I'm talking about the US population as a whole in real economic terms. You sound like some sort of BLM clown.
I referenced how the country is doing overall multiple times and I was responding directly to Moron4's comments regarding black people. wtf is a "BLM clown"? is that supposed to be someone who agrees that police brutality disproportionally affects black people? then yes, I suppose I am a "BLM clown".
Agreed with most of this. Especially reshaping education requirements. I know teachers and they all acknowledge our public schools are shit.
As well, changing the education requirements will make schools more affordable because the leftist shit we have to lap up in college/high school just wastes time and provides no value add in the real world. Getting rid of any philosophy requirements and excess history and unnecessary science requirements, while adding harder technical and language skills, can save people years of schooling.
What falls under "unnecessary science"?
Just found out Trump is planning to bring Goldman banker Steve Mnuchin on as Treasury Secretary.
The convention up to the point has been an absolute shitshow. It'll be interesting to see how low it sinks.
Cruz gets booed off the stage for his refusal to endorse Trump. That has to be the lowest point right?
Cruz, Kasich, and Jeb are absolute babies. They thought they were just entitled to the nomination because they are political elites that have support from the Washington establishment (except Cruz haha). Now they take their ball and leave to sulk. Don't they realize people in this country still have to vote for you?? Sad.
RIP Lyin' Ted
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