SA Clothing
Kind of a stupid question, but I couldn't find the answer to it. How much and what type clothing does an SA at a BB need. Obviously suits, but how many do I need? 3? Number of dress shirts? Ties? That sort of thing. Thanks.
Kind of a stupid question, but I couldn't find the answer to it. How much and what type clothing does an SA at a BB need. Obviously suits, but how many do I need? 3? Number of dress shirts? Ties? That sort of thing. Thanks.
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I am about to go into a SA IB in the S.hemishpere and just finished buying all my stuff.
I bought 4 suits, 10 shirts, 14 ties, 15 pairs of socks, 3 pairs of shoes (black, brown, tan) and matching belts.
I will warn you that you absolutely won't need that much stuff- I'm working at a business formal bank (have to wear full suits 4 days a week, except for business casual Friday) and I like clothes etc so I treated myself for getting the internship too.
Depending on your bank, how much time you want to spend on laundry etc, I think you could get away with 2 suits, 5 shirts, 2 pairs of shoes (and matching belts) and a few ties at the very minimum.
However, I will let someone else who didn't go on a shopping spree/has been through it already/has more realistic expectations chime in haha.
If you don't know where you'll buy them yet, I'll save you some time and say people here highly recommend Charles Tyrwhitt for shirts and SuitSupply for suits. I bought both shirts and suits from CT, and I couldn't be happier. They have a great deal on right now (till the end of the year)- 4 shirts for $199, and with coupons from retailmenot.com you can get suits for around $375.
14 ties...?
Maybe he's a messy eater...
Not at all, I just realized I really like ties. Will probably buy a couple more before my internship starts too.
2 suits, 5 shirts, 5 ties, 2 pants, 1 belt, 1 pair shoes until first check. Then do what you want. You'll only stick out if you 1. wear the exact same thing every day and 2. dress like a fool.
Keep it very simple.
Navy/charcoal suits blue/white shirts conservative ties black shoes simple belt, no fancy crap
Look presentable but don't stick out. That is all.
Pretty much exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks.
Exactly. Nobody will notice what you are wearing unless you repeat ties, have stains or wear something obnoxious to stick out. Keep it simple for the summer.
Don't mean to hijack, but @UFOinsider are more casual suits (beige, super light grey, that kind of thing) suitable for casual Fridays?
SA Clothes (Originally Posted: 03/06/2009)
i tried to search about this, but didnt find anything. so, i will start an internship in london in IB (not S&T), so i need to know how much more clothes i need to buy. I have: 1 navy suit (really nice) 1 white shirt 1 tie uncomfortable pair of shoes (might need to buy a new pair)
also, a suit that i will burn hahah it is really bad.
so, as i understand i will be wearing a suit everyday, right? (in the instructions it said business casual, but hey, they said hours were from 9:00 til 17:30 as well).
so, it is a 12 weeks internship and i dont plan on buying anything in london, it is really expensive.
i am thinking about buying: 1 grey suit (not so dark) 3 shirts (one white and maybe the other two will have some stripes) ? ties (have no idea how many i need)
what do you guys think? do people actually dress just a shirt and trousers?
no. you dress like dog shit in london, you will get treated like dog shit
interns in london dress comparatively/relatively well to intern in the us
buy another nice charcoal grey suit more than 3 shirts (probably 6 or 7) - you won't have the time to dry clean a tie for everyday of the week
You need like 7 dress shirts (white and light blue, though light pink is acceptable in London) and 1 more good suit, probably charcoal.
Get 2 pairs of good shoes (Johnston & Murphy is a good quality starter brand) and maybe 4-5 ties.
Make sure your suits are tailored of course.
thanks guys, when i buy the suits they "fix" it for free, like if you need to do anything to them, they do that. 7 shirts is a lot, isnt it?
You'll develop sweat/dirt rings around the neck line after wearing a dress shirt during long days. You don't want to have to go to the dry cleaners during the week so having a couple extra is a huge convenience. I also recommend about seven.
sorry if i am asking too much, i dont have much money for buying much clothes.
i might have to buy a shirt or two in London after getting paid.
I'd say you should buy 6-7 shirts. I'd recommend getting non-iron shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt -- they're currently having a sale of four shirts for $200. The fabric is much softer than Brooks Brothers and are totally worth it for everyday wear. Do check out their website. This way, you can either wash them yourself or just send them to the launderer for regular wash.
Might as well have about five ties to rotate for the different days. You probably shouldn't buy more than five ties right now till you figure out what your fashion sense is. Don't ever pay full price for a tie -- all the retailers have them on sale, and there are also plenty of good sites you can check such as eBay, eHaberdasher.com, virtualclotheshorse.com, and other discount sites for high-quality ties and very good prices (e.g. Brioni, Kiton, Zegna, Hermes, etc. if that stuff is of interest to you). But again, I stress that you do not need to get luxury wear -- just something that's functional for the job.
Oh, and I assume that the gentleman above meant "shirt" instead of "tie" when he was talking about dry cleaners. You do NOT want to send a tie to the dry cleaner, otherwise it will most likely get completely flattened and you will ruin its texture/luster unless the dry cleaner really knows what he or she is doing.
Anyway, I don't want to get into one of my elaborate discourses about men's professional attire -- of course, I'm more than happy to discuss that -- but the difference is that I've been in the working world for nearly half a dozen years now so I know what I'm looking for and have income to back it up. For all practical purposes, you should get some decent dress shirts, slacks, and ties and you will be fine. People care a ton more about the work you do as opposed to how you dress.
Hope that helps...
Numi
You don't need to stand out with your clothes. if you are spending more than a thousand to get a wardrobe built, you are doing it all wrong as an SA. Try and find one of the nice outlet malls and shop there. There was one near my house that had an Off Fifth (Saks outlet), a Polo outlet, and a Barney's outlet, among many others. Shop there and you can get those 7 shirts for around $250-$280. Throw in a second suit (don't spend more than $400-500), 4-5 ties ($125-150 total) and a pair of dress shoes ($150 or so), and you can have plenty to start off with. As you make a little money over the summer augment with whatever you want/need.
With the current exchange rate, and the way London department store does sales (i.e. 20% off whole store, unlike NY where certain designers will just never go on sale), London shopping won't be nearly as expensive as you'd think.
Items were priced based on 2:1 exchange rate. Most haven't adjusted. In other words most designers that are available both in US and UK are on sale.
And go to Thomas Pink, as well as the rest of Jermyn street. Lots of other shirt makers, and by that I mean literally every other door for several blocks are either shirt/tie makers. Pink in London is cheaper than US even if you time the pound price by 2. (Just click on the UK flag on its website if you're currently in the US.)
Here is the story;
I have had a great dark-blue Ozwald Boateng suit that fits me very well, but due to some freak accident the trousers got ripped and are now unwearable. But the jacket is still fine. Would it be acceptable for me to wear non-matching trousers with my jacket? For example, dark grey, black, etc. trousers with the dark-blue jacket? Or do IBers only wear matching trousers and jacket (as in, a full suit)? How badly would they frown if I came into the office (not, obviously, in the first week) dressed in a non-matching suit?
Thanks.
Just my 2c.
You have a few interesting issues at play here. First of all, congrats on the Boateng suit -- a nice item especially for a summer intern. Is there no possibility for you to have the trousers fixed? Can you buy a second pair? Yet another good reason to always have a second pair of suit trousers (at least when you're ordering bespoke)...
On another note, ordinarily the answer to your question is "no." Anyone that's in-the-know would be able to recognize a navy blue suit jacket from a blazer. That being said, Boateng may be sufficiently fashion-forward so that the jacket might actually look casual enough to be donned as a sportcoat. Anyway, without seeing a photo, I'd say that it's not okay to wear a suit jacket as a separate, but feel free to post a photo and I can provide my own opinion on whether you can get away with it...
The number of shirts you require for the job is purely a function of how quickly your dry cleaner can turn your shirts. 7 is pretty much the absolute minimum...should probably have 10 or so.
I would not wear non-matching jacket and trousers, but if you really want to I'd get a feel for the office first.
Thanks. I actually bought the suit years ago as it was on a huge sale. I guess it was an "end of a line" suit, because when I looked on-line I couldn't find replacement trousers for it. Also, the combination of inadequate lighting and poor camera means that the photos make it look pixilated-black. So based on what everyone says, I won't be wearing it for anything other than going out.
I've found a batch of Ted Baker, Ben Sherman, Pierre Cardin and Dehavilland suits in my local outlet store, and I was wondering what is your opinion of an SA wearing one of those suits? I realise that fit is quite important, and on the first look they all fit me quite well. Also, what other high-street suits would you recomend?
Thanks
Just my 2c.
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I think all the makers you mentioned are pretty middle-of-the-road. Fit IS very important so if you can't afford bespoke, I still recommend make-to-measure. Go with somewhere reputable for your first suit, just so that you know what your set of measurements are. Once you have that, it'll be much easier to buy suits off-the-rack or have them made for you in the future.
However, if you insist on buying it off the rack and just having it tailored, try to hit up a major retailer and find a good deal. Brooks Brothers makes some solid middle-of-the-road suits, and if you extend yourself a bit, you can probably find a Canali or Armani suit as well. I think these will all be better quality suits than the brands you mentioned above.
Regarding fit, the most important thing you need to get right is the shoulder-to-shoulder measurement. I'd say if it's off by more than 0.25", the suit will either be too tight or just hang off your shoulder and there's really not much you can do about it. The next thing is to get the proper bottom of collar to hem measurement -- you want the jacket to be short enough so that if you cupped your fingers underneath the hem, you'd still have an extra inch or two before your fingers could reach the jacket. The length must be right too because you won't be able to shorten the jacket without throwing off the balance of the pockets, lapels, etc. Chest and sleeve measurements are also important but those can be maneuvered with alterations.
Hope that helps...
Clothing for the Cost Conscious Intern (Originally Posted: 06/20/2009)
So I did a search on what to wear, and it seems that the typical recommended wardrobe for summer analysts/analysts was running anywhere from 1500-3000 with a huge list of supposed fashion faux pas, such as wearing a black suit.
I come from the belief that what you wear shouldn't matter as long as it is clean and looks professional. I don't feel like spending much, so let me know if what I have is enough/borderline acceptable. I will be summering on the West-Coast.
6 non-iron shirts from Brooks Brothers, roughly $330 (inclusive of minor tailoring) 2 pairs of leather shoes from Rockport, both under $100 (No Allen Edmunds for me!) 1 BLACK suit, roughly $150 from Macy's 2 leather belts, roughly $50 from Macy's 10 pairs of dress socks, roughly $40 total (My favorites are the 6 pairs I got for $2 each) 2 Donald Trump ties, 1 red and 1 black, $15 each
Total cost: $330 + $200 + $150 + $50 + $40 + $30 = $800.
By the way, 1 of my BB shirts has a hole in it, 1 of the belts is broken, and 1 pair of my shoes looks kind of old because of natural wear and tear from last summer.
I dunno, my place doesn't have casual Fridays XD
Am I missing a question in there... or did you just feel like sharing your wardrobe with the world?
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I think that you just want our opinion, and, basically, to approve of your wardrobe. Here goes, considering you are an intern, and not a FT, you will usually be given a bit more slack in terms of outfit. That said, you should still look presentable, and dress the part if you want to succeed. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but banking isn't a "fair" job, and not dressing the part will often result in some senior distaste.
Dressing the part, however, does not mean you have to spend $1500 as an analyst. I actually just put out an article on this, and if you check it out, I specifically point to sales as your best friends. If you go to BB and buy 5 shirts on sale ($40 each), that's $200, then buy a suit from Jos A Bank, that's $200 or so, then a pair of shoes from Nordstrom's sale at $100 (Cole Haan, or the like), and finally 2 ties from a BB outlet ($50 total). Grand total here is: $550, round it up to $650 for a bit of overages and tax. That will get you a great wardrobe for a good price. Considering you've got most of the shirts already (although I'd passed on the "one with the hole," that saves you even more).
I don't know your office though, so being on the West Coast, they may be more laid back and not follow some of the fashion faux pas that I and most other analysts have been accustomed to - then again they may. I remember when I first started I wanted to save a few $ so I used to wear a really horrible, no-name brand dress shoe (solid black) when it was rainy out, because, hey, it's raining, who cares, right? wrong. Once someone noticed I was wearing them, not one day (when I wore them) went by that I didn't hear some snide remarks and stupid comments. But again, your office may not care about these things.
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Thanks for the reply. I was looking for approval to some extent, but mostly I was wondering if I have enough to look presentable. Plus, I am a little strapped for cash at the moment, which is why I am hesitant to buy a better suit/better ties since I didn't need them last summer.
I didn't really expect my Donald Trump ties to be considered quality, but are they at least good enough for the summer, or is there some sort of visible lack of quality I'm not aware of?
Not to sound like a dumbass but what's wrong with a black suit...lol?
Nothing is wrong with a black suit in itself, and if you throw a pattern or pin stripe to it, it is perfectly acceptable. In general, however, solid black suits are seen as funeral attire, and not really banker attire (if there is such a thing). A bit too stark - you're better off sticking with a navy or charcoal suit, or black pinstripe. If you are going on an interview, however, you are still better off wearing a solid black suit than no suit at all (button down and tie only I mean).
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dont buy donald trump ties they are shit. go to century 21 and you can easily find some decent brand ties marked down to $15-$20 each
Agreed the donald trump clothes are of subpar quality. Avoid at all costs.
In NYC, century 21 is a great deal. Other outlet stores on the west coast should have similar deals.
What about pants? I would get at least 2 pairs of dress pants. They would run about $100 per pair. You may be able to do khakis in the summer more often and because you're on the west coast.
Also, don't forget about undershirts - about $20-30 depending on how many you get and where you get them.
Anyone know a good place in manhattan to get the BB non-irons tailored?
BB 'slim fit' is not really slim..
Any suggestions for tailors in Manhattan for suits, shirts or both?
Cardelino's on 23rd and broadway.. They do a pretty good job and its not too expensive
Does anyone know what brand of shirt could be a good choice for the summer?
donald trump shirts? French cufs shirts?
Considering the fact that Hugo boss type shirts would be too expensive!
Charles Tyrwhitt slim-fit shirts are nicer than Brooks Brothers and can be had on sale for $40-50 each. You can also try some brands from Macys that are decent quality (i.e. Michael Kors, DKNY), but avoid the really crappy ones like Arrow, Alfani, Donald Trump, etc. Don't wear french cuff shirts as a summer analyst.
In terms of ties, Macys brands will do just fine for a summer analyst, and this includes Trump ties. Just make sure the patterns are not too bright and flashy. Don't wear a black tie, especially with a black suit- you're not going to a funeral. Stick with dark reds, blues, perhaps grey and yellow/gold colors.
Black suit should typically be avoided. Even if some people say it's fine, there will be some people who judge you for it. Buy a solid or subtly striped charcoal or dark navy suit - for a summer analyst, it's fine to go with a suit from Mens Wearhouse or Macys. Since it will be summer, you will probably just need pants and a shirt, so buy 3-4 pairs of dress pants and that should be fine with your 1 black suit for now.
SA Attire (Originally Posted: 04/28/2012)
I'm interning with JPM Sales & Trading this summer in NYC.
I've been looking around the threads trying to find out what I should wear but it seems everyone has different opinions, so I'm wondering if anyone has any personal experience with the trading floor in JPM in NYC?
I was told that I should be the best dressed on the desk by a friend who's interned at another BB and that I should wear a suit in everyday. Is this overly formal if everyone else is in business casual?
If this is overly formal should I wear a full suit in on the first day just to be sure?
Thanks
I wore all used brooks brothers from goodwill. But I got away with it because my SA at a BB was in ER. The goodwill on 8th st had zegna ties for $15
I heard only Hermès is acceptable at JPM.
you do not wear a suit everyday on a trading floor.
yes wear a suit on the first day, that's proper etiquette. but you probably end up wearing pants with your dress shirt (+ sleeves rolled up if you're in trading) for most of the day.
fyi: a lot of the older guys wear the full suit anyway (blazers as a coat because its still cold when you get in in the early morning) for most of the year. just leave the jacket at your chair once you get a better idea of what others -- especially what other young people ar wearing.
JPM- like most banks- are more business casual. the only floor I know that required a jacket is probably Lehman..dont know about current Barclays. also london/europe floors always put on a jacket i've been told.
i assumed you were a boy.
if you're a chick just search for female attire threads-- a LOT of good & hard to find information for chicks on this forum.
For my MM trading SA gig, we have been told to be "suit-ready" in case we have to be in a client-facing role at any point. I am thinking that means suit w/ no tie into the office, hang my jacket on my chair during the day, a couple ties in the drawer just in case.
It's been said before, you wear a dress shirt and slacks. First day, wear a suit though.
Wear a suit on the first day for sure. After that, my personal rule is "if any single person wears X on the floor, I need to be prepared to wear X given the occasion." For that reason I would walk in with a tie and jacket everyday. (Which can also be convenient, because you never know when you'll have an impromptu meeting with someone very senior.) However, once you get in, put the jacket on the back of your chair and throw on a vest or something if you are cold. (Every time I have been on JPM's floor it has been pretty cold.)
If you are nervous about my rule above, don't worry that you're going to be wearing a suit all day every day. For what it's worth, for networking I visited 383 Madison for hours at a time on multiple occasions and I have never seen a single person on the JPM floor wearing a jacket - though many seem to leave them on their chairs. It is my simple opinion that you should be prepared though.
JPM S&T is business casual, pants and dress shirt is the norm. I would not wear a suit a everyday because you are going to look up tight and the traders are going to make fun of you. I agree with She_Monkey to wear a suit first day if you want to look proper.
JPM has a pretty laid back trading floor
Also to the comment above. For Barclays in S&T is business formal.
It's actually desk specific if you wanna get into detail. A lot of the legacy Lehman desks (i.e. equity) are still wearing suits, but a lot of the Barclays desks just wear business casual. Entirely dependent on the desk you are on.
I visited a S&T floor at JPM (Houston) about a year ago. I wore my best suit and accessories to impress. It was college t-shirt day and everybody was wearing t-shirts or polos from their alma mater. When I walked in everybody looked at me and was like "Who in the hell is this Gordan Gekko over here" I was embrassed all day shadowing the traders.
The funny thing is I made a couple of friends who still call me "wall-street" from that floor. They are some solid connections I have in JPM.
Cheers for the replys, really appreciate it! I'm a boy btw.
@she_monkey Thanks and my friend who told me to wear suit everyday interned in London so maybe it is just way more formal over there.
@Human Cheers for the links - some pretty good shit there.
@paulydreamer - that's pretty hilarious alright!
Right so think I'll go fully kitted out for the first day and scope out my floor. After that I'll wear in suit jacket with shirt and leave jacket and back of chair. I'll leave tie in office just to be safe.
Thanks
I recently went to Raymond's trading floor (not quite JPM) but everyone there was business casual. I was the only one with a tie in the office.
I agree with the majority that a suit on your first day (conservative suit), but after that most people just wear a shirt with pants, and maybe a blazer. Regards
Clothing for the Summer (IB - SA) (Originally Posted: 05/04/2011)
I am starting my SA in banking and the dress code is business casual. I just wanted your guys' opinion on places where one can get decent shirts. I am looking for something inexpensive yet classy/elegant.
ctshirts.com; tons of threads on this company.
Get yourself some oxfords in different colors from rugby.com or Brooks Brothers (super slim fit). You can never go wrong with the classics.
SA Business Attire (Originally Posted: 05/13/2011)
SA position at a BB. Dress policy says business attire. What's this exactly mean and what is the average outfit wore by SA's?
Also, will I need something like a shoulder bag to carry stuff like notes into the office? Or will I probably not need anything like this?
Thanks
Business Attire = Suit.
A bag is probably not necessary for a SA, but you'll figure that out soon after you start. It's not something I'd worry about beforehand.
There is nothing wrong with picking up a duffle bag for gym clothes or a messenger bag. You may or may not need it depending.
And perform a search
Yea, there was a post on this exact topic yesterday. And you probably won't need a bag unless you have gym clothes. You won't be doing anything from home.
S&T Intern Clothes Help (Originally Posted: 04/25/2010)
Hey, so Im putting together my wardrobe for my SA in S&T and just wanted to get some feedback.
Is it acceptable to wear light grey pants? If yes can you wear them with either black or brown shoes and what kind of socks to go along (Im guessing light gray)?
Also whats the opinion on loafers? I have a pair of oxfords that i used for interviews and are really nice but cant imagine staying in them all day, so was thinking about getting a pair of black and a pair of brown loafers.
We put these people in control of millions of dollars and they cant pick out their wardrobe. I understand you're just an intern but come on.
We put these people in control of millions of dollars and they cant pick out their wardrobe. I understand you're just an intern but come on.
within the first week you'll have an idea of what the other people at your firm are wearing. I worried about this last year as well, but as long as you err on the conservative side you should be fine. as long as you're not wearing anything that draws attention to yourself, no one cares.
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What to wear for PWM internship? (Originally Posted: 05/14/2012)
Hey guys, What should I wear for my PWM internship at MSSB in San Francisco. Should I go with business casual or formal? I really don't want to under-dress or over-dress!
I'd start off with business formal, and then later you can adjust to whatever your colleagues are wearing. I don't think it can hurt to be dressed too formally, even if it's just for the first day and you switch to business casual after. However, I've never worked in San Fran, so maybe the expectations are different there.
Also - you can just ask HR or your boss before getting started. I'd do that if you are really concerned.
Wear the WSO t-shirt.
I think it's business casual almost every day, but ask your boss to confirm
Crocs are fine
Hmmm.. who would know more about the dress code at your local pwm office.... HR or a forum full of college kids that have never worked there? Obviously WSO!
at ml it was dress shirt and tie everyday.
Clothing for 4 month IBD internship (Originally Posted: 06/08/2015)
Hey fellow monkeys,
I'll be undertaking a 4 month offcycle IBD internship starting this summer in London and was wondering what I needed in terms of clothing.
I've already done a 6 month internship in S&T in a BB but I understand that it's a bit different in IBD. For example, I would just wear office pants and a shirt everyday on the trading floor, I never wore a suit or anything fancy. I doubt this will be the case in IBD, or am I wrong?
I currently have 2 suits (navy and charcoal), 7-8 shirts, 5 office pants, 8-9 ties, plenty of socks, only 1 pair of good shoes, 1 belt.
What do you guys suggest?
Although my reply is probably late for you, I'll reply for the sake of people browsing the forum. I'm currently at the start of a 7 month internship.
Odds are you're in contact with someone at the office about your internship who's coordinating your start date or who you were in touch with after you got the offer. I don't think it would hurt to ask what you should wear the first day. That's what I did.
Also, you can gauge what's appropriate based on what the people in the office were wearing, so if they were wearing button downs and khakis, do that. In a similar vein, if you know that they don't expect suits but don't know the level of formality, you can always take off a blazer or tie. Another thing is don't outdress the MDs (or anyone for that matter) on your first day, because that probably won't across well if you're, say, in a suit and the MD is in a button-down and no tie.
Clothing is only make-or-break at some firms as far as I know, like Point 72, where looking perfect for 90-hour work weeks is critical to keep your job.
I'd get a second pair of shoes. They should rest at least a day after wearing them. Also, makes a smart impression if you have a couple of pairs.
Enough clothing for summer internship? (Originally Posted: 04/23/2009)
Gonna be starting as a summer analyst in a few weeks and spent some time recently putting together a wardrobe.
So far i have: 2 AE oxfords (black, brown) 7 MTM shirts (white/blue/blue with white vertical strips) 2 suits (dark navy,gray) 7 ties one hermes and rest RLPL 2 belts black and brown decent swiss watch
Does this look about right? I was thinking of getting extra pairs of pants for the suits since i'll most likely wear the 2 pairs out with everyday wear. Will 2 shoes be okay for the summer?
That should suffice. You should get some extra pants, they don't have to match the suits since you won't be wearing them everyday.
Looks good. Just a couple things you may also need:
The problem is I'm not too sure on the dress code at the office. It's a top boutique. I was thinking to pick up a pair of loafers and a pair of monkstraps for casuals.
Do the dress socks have to be black or match the shoes?
need more shirts and suits--you think you can really go a summer with only 2 suits?!
In all seriousness: you're fine...
If you're not sure of the dress code, call them and ask them.
Socks are supposed to match the color of your pants - the idea is to provide a seamless visual line from your waist to your shoes. It's OK if they're a slightly darker shade than your trousers.
None of the Canadian banks are considered "top boutiques" btw, unless you're working GHL Toronto.
I'm guessing you're fine. This is a good piece of advice that I read and used to guide my summer attire: www.spam.com. You definitely do not need more than two pairs of dress shoes and one will probably suffice. If the dress code is business formal then I would get lace-up dress shoes, rather than loafers.
Summer Intern Dress at Lehman (Originally Posted: 03/15/2007)
Hi,
I'm going to be interning at Lehman this summer in IBD Real Estate, and I was curious what is the appropriate dress for an intern. I know this topic has been brought up a million times, but I also know that Lehman is slightly more formal than other firms. Does the formal attitude require a suit everyday or should I be expecting shirt and tie most days with a suit on special days?
I'm pretty sure my friends that were at Lehman last summer said it was business professional everyday (incl. fridays).
Its Business Professional everyday, 100% sure about this unless the policy has changed since last summer.
Ok thank you. Looks like I need to pick up 1 or 2 more suits and a whole bunch of shirts.
Not on Fridays, it's "casual Summer" Friday, which means wearing non-tie business attire.
Starting with Lehman IBD in June, what do you recommend I wear?
How did you get into Lehman IBD? I thought they were gone? Wtf? Am I missing something?
..I'd recommend shorts
yukyukyuk
Yes totally formal dressing. But you can swap your style by incorporating plaid shirts, striped shirts , and classic dress shirts with ties. Try polo shirts on casual Fridays. Make sure to opt for the fabric that is lightweight.
This thread is kind of sad now
A moment of silence for "The Bros"
Definitely shorts and collars
I think that a tie with no jacket always looks bad. Unless you rock a sweater or a sweater-vest.
This thread... wow.
Assless chaps.
A tank top, jorts, and crocs. Can cut a hole for pocket squares on casual fridays.
Dress shirts for BB IBD Internship (Originally Posted: 04/19/2014)
I am looking to buy shirts for my internship this fall. I have a very slim build (29 waist, 37 chest). I went to Nordstrom, Brooks Brothers, and Burberry yesterday. At Nordstrom, I tried their HUGO by HUGO BOSS and Gucci (they were the slimmest fitting shirts available) in 15 because they don't carry 14.5. The chest seemed fine but both were a little baggy. Next, at Brooks Brothers I tried the 14.5 Extra Slim shirt but that too turned out to be too baggy. At Burberry, I tried the Burberry London shirt in size 15 (didn't have 14.5) and once again it turned out to be too baggy.
So guys that are about my size. 5'8", 135 - 140 lbs, slim but muscular. Where do you shop? What brands?
I have about the same physical stats as you - 5'8", 155 lbs and I go for Charles Tyrwhitt's extra slim fits. They're slimmer than brooks brothers' extra slim and fit a lot better for me. Their retail prices are expensive but they can go for as low as $30 during select sales
You both need to hit the gym while you're at it.
If you have them in your area, try Topshop or H&M. They're European, so everything will be significantly slimmer. Obviously not the highest quality, but if you're looking for non-baggy shirts at a reasonable price, I'd at least check them out.
Also, no one really cares what brand your shirt is, especially if you're an intern, as long as it fits well, is clean and conservative, so go for fit over brand.
lol SA shopping for dress shirts at Burberry
Ctshirts.com/DENZEL
Shirts are on sale for $30. Happy shopping
Yee CT got that sale going on. Stock up bruh
This is actually awesome...
Buy whatever shirt has the best fitting collar and shoulders, the rest can be tailored. I buy brooks bros slim fit and get the waist taken in when I don't go 100% custom. If you're not shaped like a rectangle a shirt off the rack will not fit well, ever.
Thanks guys. I think I'll give CT a chance. Another concern I have with CT shirts is that they seem to have a fancy cuff (buttons?). I have read dreaded posts about a summer interns wearing cufflinks. So I guess is it possible to take that off? Or do they have actual buttons on the cuff and just have a fancy pic? I know this sounds pretty stupid but thanks in advance.
CT stocks lots of button cuff shirts. You can sort by cuff style on the website. I agree with the previous posters who said CT shirts are the slimmest fit available at a reasonable price.
I have the same measurements as you. Charles Tyrhwitt Extra Slim Fit size 14.5 fit me perfectly. Also much better quality than my previous calvin klein, H&M, etc shirts. I got them for $30 bucks a piece on their website.
try going to next. Their shirts are very reasonably priced at around £30 and they fit extremely well.
Hugo Boss? Gucci? Dude...get some Brooks Bros slim fits, get them darted at the tailor and call it a day.
I have the same problem and thinking of going the online MTM way. I'd suggest sticking to Italian brands since they seem to make shirts keeping shoulder to waist ratio in mind. I can personally recommend Agho and Brian Dales, particularly the 3% elastane ones. Also try out the Burberry Brit collection.
Interns: Dress nicer than full-timers? (Originally Posted: 03/10/2007)
This summer, I'll be interning in the offices of a firm where, when I visited for interviews, a vast majority of employees weren't wearing suits. Does this mean I probably won't be / shouldn't wear(ing) a suit either?
Thanks
yes
Wear whatever the designated dress code is. When i was a summer everyone in the office wore jeans and a polo but every single summer made sure to be business casual because that was the official dress code.
oh, good point, westcoasting. where did you summer?
nantucket
Toe the line as a summer. In some groups, including mine, the right to wear a polo is earned. It's done by a few analysts as a sign of exhaustion and rebellion ("I'm so good, I can get away with this, so fuck off.")
I have never heard of or seen analysts or even VP's in NYC wear polo shirts during the summer. Business casual is as casual as it gets, even on Fridays.
I have never heard of or seen analysts or even VP's in NYC wear polo shirts during the summer. Business casual is as casual as it gets, even on Fridays.
What about something inbetween a polo and a suit... like button down shirts w/ no tie? I'd think the jump from suit to polo would be way too risky even for hotshots?
At nyc BB's in IBD is it generally full suit and tie? In business formal banks are cufflinks the norm for guys?
Whenever I travelled to NY as a summer and being in NY now polos are definetely not allowed. However in LA its normal to see Ken Moelis walking around the office in a denim shirt / jeans (lol). Even during our intern lunch with Ken he was wearing jeans and a blazer.
My buddies in SF wore khakis and polos all the time as well.
New York err on the side of caution as Miss Ind said. UBS NY is pretty formal.
Scottwibell, yes, I'm in NYC at a BB. There are two analysts I know of that occasionally wear polos. These guys are so worn-out and so done with it all that whenever anyone mentions it, they get a big grin on their faces and say, "Fine. Fire me." Both of them are in their third years and will be promoted to associate in the summer. Another analyst, who is also about to be promoted to associate, wears only flip-flops in the office. People talk to her about it, and she ignores them.
There's also a guy in a different group that strips down to his undershirt at 6 PM. Again, this is highly situational -- I'm sure people have spoken to him about it and he's got enough status to survive that. Remember, none of this goes for face-to-face meetings with senior bankers or clients, of course.
Folks, definitely don't try this at home (err, at work). Just saying what I've seen. I sure as hell would never risk it.
dress for PWM internship (Originally Posted: 05/09/2009)
I have a PWM internship at a BB coming up this summer. I'm wondering what the dress code should be. Most of the formal clothes I have are from jcrew and are colorful, striped shirts and colorful fratty ties. I'm assuming these are not appropriate?
A friend told me that I should basically have two outfits. One should be solid white shirt, solid blue tie, and blue plants and the other should be solid white shirt, black solid tie, and black pants. Is this correct or can I be a little more free
You should ask your BB's HR for a copy of their dress code policies.
I thought the dress code at all BB's was business casual (shirt, no tie) other than for client meetings or special events? Is any unit typically expected to wear a suit and tie M-F?
Someone was telling me that at their PWM job, M-Th are shirt + tie (no suit), and Friday is normal business casual.
Depends on the bb but always business professional -shirt + slacks + tie. If you have clients coming in at random times, everybody needs to look in shape. It would also depend on your seating location. You don't want to be the center of attention when a clients visit.
No. Dress code is dependent upon division. I know IBD groups that are business casual 5 days a week and I know IBD groups that are suit and tie 5 days a week, so there is no standard, just what the division head wants. My group is suit/tie 5 days a week outside of the summer, where it's suit/tie four days a week.
That said, during the summer I would say to expect that you will be wearing shirt and tie on Monday through Thursday and shirt, no tie on Friday. If you really want to make sure you're dressed properly, bring a tie on that first Friday and follow everyone else's lead or if there are interns there when you get there (the guys that manage to get a spring/summer internship), get consensus from them on what the right attire is.
Dress code varies by bank, division and group within division. Dress code may also vary by day (e.g. "casual fridays" may be days to dress down, while client meeting days may be days to dress up). The best thing to do to get a general sense of dress code would be to call HR and ask. In general, it is much better to "overdress" than to "underdress" as you can always take a tie or jacket off and to be conservative in your choice of attire. I found this to be a fairly good source of advice: www.spam.com
^ nice
SA attire for middle market in NYC (Originally Posted: 02/21/2013)
I have an internship with a middle market in NYC that is business casual. I was wondering if black horsebit loafers would be appropriate? And as far as shirts go would striped Brooks Brothers/RL Polo shirts be appropriate or do they have to be solid and conservative colored?
Don't be so concerned with your appearance. Loafers are fine, Brooks Brothers is probably the most common brand among analysts. A striped shirt is still plenty conservative.
those shirts you mentioned are fine, just make sure there are no cuff links involved. can't speak on the loafers, i'm a lace-up only person myself.
But would you say that analysts wearing solid colored shirts is more common than analysts wearing print shirts?
Depends on the group / bank. Some banks are full suits everyday, others have analysts wearing polos on Fridays. Generally speaking, at banks that are business casual for analysts, there is a wide variety in the shirts that people wear everyday. Solids are probably more common, but that's only because most guys in banking come out of college not really caring much about their appearance. At least 30% of the shirts in my group at the analyst level are pattern shirts.
Hey, dude, welcome to the forums.
I'd play this safe, considering how SAs are at the bottom of the totem pole.
Business casual, to me, will always be:
I'd stay away from loafers. Trust me on this.
Other than the most up-tight groups on the street, I have never heard of anyone getting crap for wearing loafers. If the OP's group was one of these, he would be wearing a full suit and tie everyday. I'd say 80%+ of the analysts in my group wear loafers.
Also, I second this.
Out of curiosity, why no button down collar?
This is considered an exceptionally casual look, more appropriate for khakis or jeans than business casual.
And would horsebit loafers be okay or should I go for more conservative penny loafers? and thanks for welcoming me to the forum.
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