Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Is Not Guilty?
I am not advocating his innocence. But remember:
History is written by the victor.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313303/Disgusting-Facebook-gro…
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/21/online-supporters-rush-to-declare-tsa…
Edit: People, please read carefully. I am editing this post to stop people from making assumptions regarding my motives for said post.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Is Not Guilty? does not equal Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Is Not Guilty. I am not saying he is innocent. He is not. I was curious to see what WSO had to say on the blogs and their "evidence" of his innocence, and also wanted to remind everyone that there are always two sides to a story.
The truth is out there...
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU
[quote=JacOffasour]The truth is out there...
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU[/quote]
Are you kidding? In the picture where they say that he still had his backpack on they are pointing to a guy which as a black t-shirt while Tamerlan had a white one, with no sunglasses on and and with beard...
[quote=JacOffasour]The truth is out there...
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU[/quote]
Stopped reading when it said CISPA passed, CISPA hasn't passed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_…
I'm honestly not sure of what you're trying to say.
he (they) is not guilty, but people wont buy it
media is so damn effective, its impressive... manipulation at its best not much they can do, people are slaves fed with crap
So when they release the video of them placing the bombs -- will that be enough for you?
Here we go with the conspiracy theories...
sure, mark it as one, but why not contribute and say what is it they are wrong at? or is it always just a bunch of lunatics around that search for conspiracies
Say I'm part of a shady, underground, military corporation tasked to carry out a false flag bombing of a public event filled with cameras and CCTV, reckon I'd wear my company's hat?
This is what gets me with the outlandish claims. So people believe the government is up to no good. I get that and I'm not sure I would entirely dispute that. The problem is, with events like this and Sandy Hook, where the "victims" were really government pawns used to further gun control...so they were relocated and not killed...how do you get a whole entire town to just pick up their lives and willing take part in all of it? Or in this case, how do you have the foresight to plan such an elaborate event, but forget to give the patsies the right backpacks? And how do you have the trained mercenaries show up in their work outfit? Would you put them in civilian attire show they don't show up in all of the photos around the scene? And who goes on the Internet and tells people about a conspiracy but then says they can't alert authorities because they could get in trouble, lose their job or be imprisoned? You would think divulging that sensitive information to strangers on the Internet would also qualify for that purported jail time, etc.
Look, part of me says there is more to what is going on than meets the smell test. I have questions surrounding the first 'person of interest' in the case and would be curious to find out where he is, etc. There are some very curious events surrounding that guy and his connections with this event, potential terrorism and his student status here in the states...among other things. I've questioned since the first day or so if there wasn't more to his situation than what we've been told. It was being reported that he was being detained and the FBI raided his houses, leaving with a few things. Then later we were told by the authorities that he was not a suspect or person of interest, but just a victim. Some sources told news outlets he was going to be deported but the government came out and said that it was a different Saudi student that was being deported.
Who knows, maybe it's a huge coincidence that the first guy is a Saudi national, purportedly a member of a prominent Saudi family that has ties to terrorism. Maybe it's also a coincidence that Kerry and Obama separately met with the Saudi Foreign Minister on Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively. And maybe it's a coincidence that another Saudi student was issued a deportation order around the same time. Who knows?
What I do know is that at any given time, the government has it's hands in a ton of potentially shady stuff with the intent of promoting our national interests abroad. As history and time has shown us, we sometimes end up on the wrong end because we haven't be able to master the law of unintended consequences.
I will admit that the trusted flyer status brokered for certain Saudi students struck me as very odd.
Regards
Guys, you don't need a cospiracies. USA started wars saying that someone who barely had guns and pistols was a threat and had nuclear bombs. C'mon, what will be the point? If a school tragedy with so many dead children was not enough to change your arms rules, you will need a lot more than two steamer bombs in Boston. And you don't even need to invade Chechnya.
wat
(barely has guns and pistols)
You're clueless.
Shame on the morons coming up with this idiocy.
BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED
It was the lizard people guys.
You're stupid, lizard people don't exist. Mermaids, on the other hand, will tear you a new one. Haven't you seen Pirates?
Lets answer the "why were there covert operatives/pmc contractors there in the first place?" question whilst we're at it. Errrr because if you're organising a mass public event there is a real risk of terrorism (as we evidently saw) and it's your job to mitigate that risk the best way possible. If it were me in charge, guess who I'd call, the guys from Blackwater, Craft et al.; it really should be no surprise that those kind of individuals were present at this sort of event. And guess what it's ok to do if you're protecting an event in this kind of capacity... wear your company's branded clothes.
I dont think private security forces are allowed to patrol domestically unless requested. And if requested, why not just clarify and put these idiots to bed?
(Covert Operatives? They're called security guards.)
It seems pretty clear that these guys did it. I like conspiracy theories, they're good mental excercise. Sometimes they're true: uhm, can you say Iraq War? Often they're not: no, the lizard people didn't run 911, the CIA didn't kill their favorite president(Kennedy), and yes dammit we landed on the moon, so .
Thing is, until there's any proof, it's just a theory. Until then, theorize away. The truth actually IS out there and a healthy dose of skepticism is just part of life for thinking people. Just....don't get too attached to a particular theory or forsake the concensus view just to do it, Alex Jones has already cornered that market :)
Generally, when i'm not guilty of a crime, I throw grenades at and get in shoot outs with police.
Conspiracy? They were throwing grenades out the window during the car chase. Do innocent people do that?
This. You don't fight if you're innocent
This comment is just as stupid as OP's conspiracy ramblings.
http://wonkette.com/513260/looks-like-glenn-beck-has-at-least-four-list…
hahahaha
Jesus Christ, UFO -- you're not a regular Wonkette reader, are you?
Whoa! Somebody went so far as to write he's innocent on their hand. How can you dispute that???
They did it but whatever trigger happy cop shot at the boat leaves these conspiracies out there. Such people tarnish the life of an 8 year old kid but I'd like to see something done about the cop(s) who shot the 2nd brother after he was practically holed up with nowhere to go.
Sadly, every event like this now is going to be questioned by a minority full of lunatics.
I find it hilarious that people are using that imgur album to question the bombing. The naked man that was also on the ground is the person they arrested (falsely) who was the owner of the car the two suspects hijacked trying to flee MIT. Also why wear a Craft hat if you are trying to go unrecognized ? Lastly, the picture of the bookbag with the white tape was found at site 2 not site 1 where the Craft people where stationed.
To be fair, while the evidence overwhelmingly seems to indicate his culpability in the events, I think it is critically important that due process is not abandoned. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. It's times like these when it is is most important to uphold due process.
xoxo
^^Bingo.
The interesting question here is whether he can be given the death penalty, assuming he stands trial and gets convicted. The problem is, anything he said after being taken into custody is likely going to be inadmissible (1) because he wasn't Mirandized and (2) he was probably heavily sedated, so any confession he made will likely be thrown out or, at the very least, be called into serious question.
It's very possible law enforcement will be able to establish 'intent' which is relevant.
At any rate, he should have been read his rights and allowed to seek proper counsel.
Regards
This is, without question, one of the worst threads on WSO. Circle jerk of morons
It doesn't take unparalleled wisdom and insight to not believe in conspiracy theories so I never claimed I had either.
I'm just not an idiot
I'm kinda with CRE. Lots of conspiracy theories (including this one, waaay too much evidence that they did this) are stupid. Where I'm not with him is not believing in conspiracy theories period. There are some with strong foundations. Occasionally those end up being true, see: http://truththeory.com/2013/02/15/5-conspiracy-theories-which-turned-ou… (note: I don't know anything about the site, this was one of the first Google results and I know that the conspiracies it mentions are true)
these guys seem pretty guilty and dzhokhar will probably be convicted easily but it amazes me how so many people summarily dismiss and laugh off the notion of conspiracy whether it be regarding terrorist attacks, bombings, wars, etc.
do people not realize that hatching and executing conspiracies (including false flags) is one of the core job duties of intelligence agencies? the CIA is the mother of all such agencies and there are dozens of other foreign agencies who collectively have thousands of personnel and billions of dollars to spend year after year. they aren't sitting idle nor are they spending all day "gathering intelligence".
Hey look, he admitted to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-admits-boston-marathon…
I guess it's all part of the coverup, right?
While I do not necessarily think this was a conspiracy, the speed and militarization of the police was shocking. A major US city was locked down with helicopters, HUMVEE's and armored personal carriers rolling through the street.
And what is this miranda bullshit. Read the guy his fucking rights. He obviously did this, he will most likely get the death penalty, let the idiot have a lawyer. While I could careless if this guy gets mistreated, there is this slow dissolving of due process and innocent until proven guilty.
Just like cops attacking people who record them and government passing more and more surveillance measures.
In application you are read your rights. Why? Because they want you to confess. And if they don't care whether you confess they would simply read your rights and no ask you anything.
You get arrested >>> you are read your rights. When the police and government need to start splitting hairs and picking apart definitions you know they are up to bullshit.
I'll tell you guys what. I am a lot more afraid of the government and its continual push to limit rights and gain power than I am of a dude with a pressure cooker. Glad they caught these guys, but Boston looked like a military war zone instead of a police presence.
Fascism always comes in the guise of protecting us from something.
There is some legitimate concern with whether or not the 'immediate public danger' exception could hold up to scrutiny in court.
Regards
Gospel.
I guess I'll play Devil's Advocate, everyone keeps mentioning that they shot and threw grenades at the cops. However there is no video evidence of this, so we all believe this on hearsay from the news. All the videos shown of the scene were dark and didn't prove shit. same goes for the audio of the exchange of gun fire, no proof of anything other than shots were fired. This is 2013, everyone has a camera phone, yet no clear video was taken? I find this very peculiar.
However I am not trying to argue whether they are guilty or not, just strictly speaking on the facts or lack thereof presented in the news.
I live in Boston
I'm just saying people are voyeur by nature, the entire night into daytime and no homevideo that actually shows something substiantial, cmon
Just as a rebuttal...so this isn't aimed at you...this is where conspiracy theories start to get absurd. It goes from being a CIA operation, to a CIA operation that included a private security company, to a CIA operation that included a private security company plus a few Joe Nobodys, to a CIA operation that included a private security company plus a few Joe Nobodys and then the news was also in on it, etc.
The depth to which something like this or the JFK assassination would have to be planned is so absurdly complex I don't even believe our 'government' would be capable of pulling it off.
Regards
Here's a video of him getting his ass kicked in high school, set to America! Fuck Yeah!:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/L_4-W_0rJnQ
God bless the Internet.
How does this kind of crap end up on WSO?
Hilarious. http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/48547675807/the-definitive-people-…
http://i.imgur.com/wn6s2sP.jpg
interesting.
http://i.imgur.com/HDmiWieh.jpg
interesting.
I love what Mark Levin said yesterday, and I'm brutally paraphrasing: "You've got these damn fools that keep saying that Miranda Rights are a Constitutional demand. Nonsense! The Miranda case didn't occur until 1966. Are you telling me that all cases in the 180 years prior were illegitimate?!" He did go on to say that he supports having his "rights" read so that it didn't compromise the case legally.
Point is, liberals and Ron Paul people ("civil libertarians") always seem to conflate Supreme Court decisions with what is, ya know, actually written in the Constitution.
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