Job in Finance with a Criminal Record
So after my first year in university, I got involved with a bad crowd and ended up getting caught up trafficking drugs and being convicted. I was also addicted and was put into an alternative measures program called drug treatment court for addicts that involved a treatment center and a strong recovery program that really changed my life around and made me a better person than I ever would be otherwise. I ended up getting sentenced to no time but pleading guilty to my charges and having a criminal record as a result. The biggest lessons i learned from my past was humility, honesty and accountability. I am over two years sober and am pretty open about my past and if ever brought up, i would explain how it has made me a better person, has given me a deeper appreciation of life and a strong drive to keep moving forward.
I am currently in Canada going into my last year of school and currently have a Major GPA of 4.0 and a cumulative of 3.5. I have volunteered in numerous places and have a pretty good co-curricular record. My question to all of you is do i still have a chance of getting an job related in Finance? Do i have to wait for Clemency or a Pardon?
Furthermore, if a job related to finance is not possible, my alternative plan was starting a small business or continuing school, eventually getting a pardon and going from there. Do i become tainted meat if years go by with no experience?
All advice is appreciated
Thanks
Where is the conviction, Canada? What kind of conviction?
In the US, Drug Trafficking is one of the heaviest offenses if I recall correctly, and is a Felony.
I think those people get 15-25 years in jail.
It was a possession for the purpose of trafficking a schedule 1 drug.
It is a conviction in Canada where i would want to work. As i said I was suppose to do jail time but given my mitigating circumstances, family support and involvement with the community i was given a suspended sentence of no time.
Your question depends on what school you go to and what kind of finance job do you want
I go to one of the top business schools in Canada and i'm wondering if i'm able to get any kind of finance job really at this point.
Felony convictions for drugs will probably bar you from most sell side US jobs. Firms will definitely frown on that, because you’ll have to disclose it on your U4 which equals a bad rep. Not sure about Canada though.
Background check and criminal record for UK banks (Originally Posted: 12/05/2008)
I have a friend who's at Uni in the UK. He's been busted for drinking and driving. The question is, do banks in the UK check for criminal records and is he fscked? And if so, what are his other alternatives? Banking in other countries? Im not familliar with UK law.. is it possible to have the record erased?
He's feeling pretty bad at the moment and I really want to help the guy out (eventho im pissed off he did something soo stupid)
appriciate any input
I think every bank is different. A DWI while it's bad, isn't fraud or assault which I think that they're mostly concerned with. If they want your friend bad enough it shouldn't matter that much.
Totally depends on the bank. Some banks don't care, others may knock him for it (I know that JPM specifically states that they don't care about drinking and driving)
I know JPM's application says this, but does it mean they are not looking for this in the Background check?
Like Aliazz said, they are mostly concerned with fraud, theft, assault, sexual harassment; anything that shows you have a history of fucking up on-the-job and that could potentially cost them bigtime. They're less concerned with the fact that at university you liked to party.
thanks for the reply, I'm really worried about spending the sign on, because I don't know what their reaction will be once I go through the background check and they find out I have a misdemeanor(DWI) on my criminal record
I'm due to start in September and haven't received the BC papers yet. I plan on disclosing though.
Assuming he didn't hit anyone nobody is realistically going to care about a DUI as long as it is disclosed.
Assault, fraud or theft (even if let off with a caution) and you're fucked.
DO i even stand a chance given my past criminal record and job history?? (Originally Posted: 05/23/2016)
So I am 25 years old turning 26 in December. I am thinking about going to college for a finance degree. First off, I would start a a community college I have 12 credits already and am in the honors society. No big deal, but I can manage good grades. However, 3 years ago spread out plus or minus a year. I have a DUI, Corruption of minors/furnishing alcohol, simple assault/harrasement, and Theft (petty theft less than 50 dollars) I did for my wife ex wife. Anyway, I miss school and quit because of her and her daughter and life in general just getting in the way. Obviously I wouldn't go to an ivy league school, just a low ranked school like Temple university or if im lucky Pitt. My main concern is will I find a job in the finance industry with my record? I have no felonies thank god. Also, I wouldn't even know what jobs in into. I had a passion more like an obsession with the stock market and trading. Honestly even a financial analyst position would be great. So what are your thoughts/ recommendations/ concerns? thank you.
I hate to say this but the criminal record will really hurt you. At my bank, a DUI results in an immediate fire and all applications with any form of criminal record are automatically filtered out in job applications. The world of finance is especially unforgiving. Maybe you will have a better shot at smaller shops. Good Luck.
Yes, working at a bank will be hard. Financial analyst at a company in other industries is more likely. Depending on how long ago some if these things were you may be given a pass if they come up in a background check, but I would try to get the DUI, assault, and theft expunged if you can.
Getting a job after college with a record. (Originally Posted: 06/29/2014)
Hey everyone,
I've been a lurker on WSO for awhile now and decided to actually sit up and actually start a topic I need some words of wisdom in. I'm 23 years of age and start my first year of college in the fall for business management major then transfer to a university. Decided to take the college road since you can't really do anything career wise without a degree now a days unless you open up your own business. My past has not been a great one and I do take full responsibility of all my actions. In the end I want to work in an office where I can have a bright future and learn something out of the ordinary everyday.
I've been in the Navy and discharged for a positive urinalysis for THC in 2010 at the age of 19. Moved to Florida then got arrested for reckless driving which is a misdemeanor and a felony charge for carrying a concealed firearm without a permit. Although the judge did let me get a bite of the apple and got my adjudication withheld which means once I completed my probation period which I have done, I can legally put I'm NOT convicted of the charge. It will show up on my background as a charge but adjudication was withheld. I'm not here to sugar coat any charges, I've done the actions and yes I did my time and like I said before I do take full responsibility.
I know want to move on with my life and going to college is a HUGE step in my life. I'm wondering if my past will hurt my chances in the corporate world? I'm a personal trainer now and I work right across the waters from NYC and I get to see all these people walking around after work enjoying their lives, being productive all day, enjoying drinks, nice suits and all that. I've been able to learn how to socialize and network with people since I work in a high end gym. In all working in the corporate field is what I really want in life, which field exactly? I have no clue but I'm willing to adapt and overcome in any field they stick me in. Looking for tips or any knowledge about my chances of getting a job after college. Thank you in advance for any help.
You can definitely get a job out of college just go in stay focused as it seems you're easily influenced. Also get a good internship or joing a club to take up your free time so you have positive influences. Get good grades and a job will be no problem
Keep a positive attitude, keep your GPA high as possible, do as many internships as you can get before you graduate and you will likely get SOMETHING in finance. If not, you can always go work for a startup. They'll probably care alot less about the record. Good luck!
well your background check doesnt occur until after you actually get the offer, so they wont know until then. Since you werent actually convicted of anything, you should be fine as long as you disclose the charge.
Thank you all for a swift response, I really appreciate it. I'm planning on submitting an application for an FBI background check so I can review my "rap sheet" to actually see what it is that employers see on their end. This will better help me explain my situation if anything. Getting into business world and trying to major in business managment and tryin to pursuit a job in the corporate world is something new to me and I really want to do it. My math isn't the best in the world so I will look into getting a tutor to help me out since I have to start off with basic math. In all there are many people in the world that hate their corporate jobs, I think I might enjoy the challenge a bit. Just want employers to look past my old ways and look at me as a great asset to their company. Thank you again for each response and thanks to those who will continue to give an input.
I would recommend changing your concentration from management to finance or accounting with minor in economics. In my opinion management and marketing are a waste of money, these are things you do not need to study to understand. With finance, accounting, economics if you don't study them you won't have a good enough grasp on them and you will get more value out of your education if you study at least one of those 3.
I would be upfront on the last interview, before receiving the offer. My reasoning is it will not look good to try "hiding" your record. Some firms are really strict in what they require and that's something you'll have to live with. We all make mistakes. Maybe the best thing you can do is start your own business.
Sounds like you are on a good path at the moment and I think that you're decision to prepare and get a background check done is a smart one. I disagree with jojome though; I think that you want to wait as long as possible before disclosing anything you need to. It's much easier to ding someone right out the gate than after you have decided that you like them and want to give them the job. You need to be honest, but don't shoot yourself in the foot.Also, where are all these people in banking that look happy? Best of luck.
Thank you for your input. It's a bit hard to actually have timing down when it comes to disclosing my past. Although they are non violent and doesn't include anything like fraud or something that would lose trust in a person, I always feel like I have to tell my interviewers my past. I've never interviewed for anything big yet since I'm just starting school but when it comes down to applying for internships and such since I really don't know what I wanna do maybe Analyst. I'm a very honest person and feel guilty if I don't say something right there and then but at this point I don't know how employment and background checks work in the corporate side. Oh and yes I see a quite few happy bankers everyday since I work in the gym behind JP Morgan, not all but enough to have an alright outlook in things.
about when to disclose stuff - try to have a few anonymous calls with headhunters. They may be well placed to guide you on that...
Thank you. I might give this a try while I'm in school, it's a bit of a downer trying to better myself and many companies will probably not care. It's kind of discouraging at times, this is one of the reasons why I'm starting college at 24 years of age. Took me a while to let all of this sink in but in the end I need a degree and business is what I want to get into.
Hey man best of luck. The great thing about your situation is that you have a story to tell. People like to hear how someone turned his/her life around and I think you are on your way to doing exactly that. You obviously have a decent work ethic because you are a trainer at a gym (staying in great physical shape isn't easy) and seem like you have the drive to better yourself despite of the past.
I have a couple bits of advice for you just from personal experience: 1. Get in a daily routine. Sounds simple enough, but a solid routine is vital to success. 2. Continue to evolve your relationships with contacts. Talk to anyone and everyone you can not only about finance, but about whatever. Being able to communicate is key. 3. Read, read, read. Similar to point 2, you don't have to read solely the Economist or Liar's Poker (great book though), reading will help to keep your brain functioning at a high level and will help to mellow you out at the end of a long day. 4. Have fun. Getting serious about life is great and all, but don't forget to let loose, have a couple drinks (or 15), and be with friends a couple times a week.
Great list of tips! Thank you. Trying to get as much wisdom as I can.
I want to thank each and everyone of you guys for your input. Really does help a lot and helps my head keep cool for now. I just don't want to go to school and just waste time knowing that nothing will open for me in the corporate sector. Although I'm not going to an IVY school and starting off in community college, I'm lucky to have the pell grant cover 100% of my tuition until I move to a university. Should of had my head on straight before I've done what I did in the past. Once again thank you all for your help and tips.
Only difference between you and me is that you got caught. My best advice is don't get caught
Hahaha I think I'm done with those days. Rather not watch my life go to waste but wise words.
I wish you the best of luck to turn things around. One should always get a second chance, as someone else said you got caught and a lot of us did the same thing and just didn't get caught in our youth. That should be something that can and will happen.
I'd investigate your ability to be able to get into more highly regulated industries like banking (securities related, IB, trading, commercial, retail, etc) simply because they look more into your background because they have to. I'd even look into positions with financial controls involved where they may look into your background and ding you because you have control over cash and/or finances. You may have not stolen but you don't want to tailor your education and internships into these types of industries and find yourself SOL when you actually apply to these jobs. That's not to say in the least that you're going to steal from a company but do your due diligence regarding what the background checks will keep you from. Someone mentioned talking to headhunters anonymously-do that. You just don't want to go down the road where you have a good financial background and not be able to land a job because of your background. I'm going to guess that if you're not great in math that's going to happen, but I'd look more into marketing.
I'm by far not the end all and be all of advice but after you've turning things around you don't want to hit an insurmountable road block in four years.
why did you have a gun lol
@"Dingdong08" yeah I was afraid of that. Really wanted something different in life and work in a corporate setting. Well I'm still gonna do school anyways and get a degree even if nothing comes out of it, atleast I'll have an education. Thank you for your words.
@"Eurodealer" I lived in Florida at the time. Everyone and their grandmother has a gun out there since it's legal. I on the other hand didn't have a permit to carry it concealed so I got caught. If I had it in a compartment then I would of been fine but crap happens.
@"TheWorldIsYours" Please don't take what I said as you'll never get a corporate job, just that it may, (and that's MAY, I actually don't know what the specific rules are but I know some flags that are raised in background checks and they're pretty small shit-like I don't care if someone paid their student loans late one time 3 years ago) be more difficult in more highly regulated industries like any sort of banking because they are highly regulated (IB and most Wall St work in general is FINRA, commercial/retail banking has various federal and state regulatory bodies-FDIC, the Fed, etc) so the regulatory body may have rules and the companies may have even stricter rules regarding background. But a normal company, especially if it's not a massive public company with rules set in stone, should be possible. Work hard, get good grades, land a few internships and keep your nose clean and you should be fine.
@"Dingdong08" Yes I understand what you meant by it. I might look into other companies that have corporate settings maybe with less hassle on the background check (cable company, electric companies..etc) but in all brother, I really appreciate your words.
Dude - relax. You are just starting college. Go study, meet people, try out new things, make lots of friends/contacts and canvass around. Don't worry about a FT job before you even start (I understand your concern and its a very real one).. You know you could also go to all kinds of smaller enterprises in financial services as well or local branches of companies etc... Like I said, speak anonymously with some headhunters and career counselers. In time you will make friends and contacts who have experience that can give you guidance as well. If you or anyone you know knows any lawyers good to ask them as well...
Thank you all for the responses. Started college and I'm trying to transition into that life step by step. Planning on applying for internships next summer and see where that leads me.
Also, try and do an internship every summer.
Do banks keep records of applicants' criminal records? (Originally Posted: 04/07/2011)
I was arrested in 2008 for poss. of marijuana and should be able to get it off my record in 2013 (5 years after conviction) if I don't get in trouble again (don't you worry about that). I'll be applying for internships before then. Do any of you guys know if banks keep records from applicants? Sorry if it's a stupid question but I don't know how banks work... If so, would you recommend applying to boutiques instead of BBs (obviously, because one would want a FT offer there in the future) for internships until it is off my record?
Thanks in advance.
No.. I think it would only be an issue if they conduct a criminal check on you.
Weed, body piercing... what's next, bro?
wondering the same thing
Banking... duhhhh
Tis just a little bit of green.
Actually, that's all I got that potential employers wouldn't like. Just a guy who enjoyed a little bit of green and needles in me.
So they would conduct a criminal check on me after I got the internship right? So that charge would probably be stuck under my name if I interned at, lets say, CS?
Honestly, I would be hesitant to hire someone with a possession of marijuana charge, because you have to be seriously retarded to get to one of those. You basically have to walk up to a cop, ask him if he is a cop, and when he says yes, pull out an O. At least half the guys I know smoke weed, and I know only one person who has gotten a possession charge, and that was because he was pulled over with half a pound doing 90 in a 50 while drunk when he was 17.
What an arrogant know it all piece of shit. Maybe he comes from somewhere where cops patrol hard. Step out of your little bubble and walk into the real world USE YOUR BRAIN MORAN.
Moran is how I spell moron. Im trolling you MORANS. U MAD? COME AT ME
You know there's these things called drug dogs right? Yeah, they just bring em around the car and if the dog even looks at it, they just say that the dog hit on the car and they search it.
Marijuana is extremely potent too... it's not like getting caught with prescription pills. If anything, getting caught with weed is probably the easiest drug to get caught with cause it takes up way more space than other drugs and is stinky.
Oh and I got pulled over for my turn signal turning off (I was in a turn around and it automatically turned off >:O) even though if I were to go straight I would have ran right into a building and if I would have went to the right I would have went into oncoming traffic. Whatever. Lesson learned. It'll be off of my record soon enough.
Why do you have that much on you that they have to call in a dog......you moving weight? If you so then you deserve to get caught.
I had 2.5 grams
The cops around here get bored. They also give out the most tickets out of any city in Michigan (I think maybe even close to most in the country... per capita I'm guessing). They are pretty ridiculous and the judge is an a-hole. He gives out ridiculous sentences sometimes, like this one kid I met who had to go to drug court (drug test 6 days a week at 7 in the morning, you miss it, you go to jail) + some for graffiti? They were actually being investigated by the State because of some of the over the top sentences.
tl;dr... it doesn't take much for them to call up a canine unit in this city, city's kinda small and they get funding up the wazoo because of all their antics
Criminal Record - Dirty for a computer crime (Originally Posted: 10/24/2013)
Hey guys,i'm looking for someone in my same situation. My criminal record is dirty for a computer crime that i made when i was 17. I have to write it in the application or it's better to avoid?
Are we talking under age porn/wire fraud/identity theft over the computer or something cool like hacking your neighbors social security info/setting up a key stroke monitor without someone knowing/changing grades at your school because of bad security?
Does it matter? Stupid thing like hacking an electronic advertisement signalisation because of bad security.
Anyone at the firm you can talk to and get a more educated opinion?
Tough situation. You probably won't get hired if you put it on the application (due to safety controls etc- it's hard to imagine a bank would hire a hacker) but if you don't, it will come up on the background check and that would cause a problem for you too.
Get it expunged
I'd leave it off. You were a minor.
You put it down and they'll definitely see it and you may get your offer yanked.
You don't put it down and: 1. They may not see it since you were 17. 2. They may see it but not deem it meaningful since you were 17 or because of the offense. 3. They may see it and yank your offer. 4. They may see it and it wouldn't have been a big deal if you had disclosed it but because you didn't they are concerned... in which case your explanation is that you were a minor and you didn't think you had to disclose any offenses as a minor... which I think is a fairly benign reason.
Punchline: you disclose it and you are subject to #2 and #3... you don't disclose it and you're subject to a much more favorable universe of possible outcomes.
Obviously this advice is dependent on the local laws. Judging from your grammar, you may be subject to the local laws in Uganda. Its also subject to the severity of the offense. If you were convicted of a felony... that's not a small deal.
URGENT- Needs you guys help about criminal records (Originally Posted: 05/12/2015)
Dear all, I desperately need some good, serious advice. I have read many threads on this site about the protocol for addressing criminal records. But my situation is unique. I have also done a ton of research on my own, so I know what I am talking about.
I am now a year 3 student in Asia, and I would like to apply for graduate school in US and want to find the job in wall street.
Last day, I left the supermarket with only part of the things paid, the police caught me and told me if I convicted the crime, I only need to pay 500 dollars and leave, but there was a record. Since I was afraid of lawsuit and I did not have much time and money to deal with it. I did so and I am looking for a blind over now. Even if I can not get the blind over, the criminal record is private, only the police department and I know it. And as referred to the law, the record will be inactive after 3 years, but it still can be found if the police department wants.
This is the only record in my life. If I want to find job in the U.S. in the future, what should I do if I want to find job in wall street big banks? How should I fill in the application form?
How about finding job in the place where I am now?
Please, any serious, knowledgeable input would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you very much!!!
bump
You stole something and then you bumped a post only two hours after you wrote it? That's two strikes. I'd be careful from here on out..
I am so sorry and I should not bump it too soon. I edited it at 7:16. To be honest, I did not intentionally steal the food because is only worthing 30 dollars, I just forgot to pay the other part of the things. I am still trying to ask for help. I am really sorry about making you feel bad. BTW, do you have some opinions?
It's such a unique situation I don't believe you will find a good answer on here. All I can say is it's best to be as honest and transparent as you can throughout the application process as it's much worse to be caught stealing AND lying about it. It might affect your chances, it might not. Depends if a potential employer specifically looks into your records and if they are able to find it. From my understanding security checks are a pretty standard procedure.
Thank you for your valuable advice!!
the pretty standard procedure is about checking the database? will they be able to go aboard and investigate?
Key question - did you participate in the Yellow Umbrella movement?
Definitely not. I do not have any record before. Will this be fine? Thanks!
I have never participated in political things.
this made my night.
You can start by talking to a lawyer instead of strangers on a finance forum.
thank you! Should I contact a lawyer in US or in the local? Because the local lawyer may not be able to know the job hunting in the US
Criminal Record and Options Clearance? (Originally Posted: 03/19/2011)
Someone I have been friends with for a long time (think backyard kickball) made a few bad decisions in high school and sort of spent the next 4-5 years as the local "Don of Marijuana." He has been arrested on a number of occasions, but he is now trying to straighten out his life. He now owns two legitimate, somewhat successful businesses, but I know he's not a big fan of physical labor and he definitely has a high risk/high reward mentality. I've been showing him some stuff recently in regard to stocks and options (specifically LEAPS) and he seems to be hooked. I don't remember seeing any questions on the options clearance forms about having a criminal record. Do they have any sort of background check in place?
"Drug dealer hooked on LEAPS" would have been a better title.
But sorry, I have no clue.
at most the form will ask if you have been convicted of finance related crimes
If you have been convicited of a felony offense, that will likely raise red flags. As will finance and drug related charges. The drug related charges rasing red flags due to possible money laundering. If I was you I would distance myself from this guy ASAP for your own sake.
Thanks for the replies guys.
Haha, I am very careful not to tie myself to anything that can create legal problems for myself. There's no law against helping a former drug dealer straighten out his life. He really isn't your typical dopey drug dealer. I think he has the skills to become a successful legitimate businessman, or revert back to his old ways and become "The Don." Either way, I would not mind having either as a friend.
Im not saying you can't be friends with the guy. But I am saying be careful with any financial advice you give him as you can be implemented in money laundering if he is infact using durg money in investments. This was a big part of the Series 7.
Thanks for the heads up. Can they really tie me in for giving him advice on what stocks I think are good, or the different valuation methods I use to determine the intrinsic value of a security? It's not like I'm helping him launder money or anything like that. I'm just helping him figure out how to get investment returns that are higher than the 2-3% he is getting in a savings account.
For that, the chance is very low. But, the only thing I would be worried about is the "you knew where the money came from" bs arguement that the cops would use. But as long as your not profiting from this advice you should be fine I would imagine.
Background check and criminal record for UK banks (Originally Posted: 12/05/2008)
I have a friend who's at Uni in the UK. He's been busted for drinking and driving. The question is, do banks in the UK check for criminal records and is he fscked? And if so, what are his other alternatives? Banking in other countries? Im not familliar with UK law.. is it possible to have the record erased?
He's feeling pretty bad at the moment and I really want to help the guy out (eventho im pissed off he did something soo stupid)
appriciate any input
DO i even stand a chance given my past criminal record and job history?? (Originally Posted: 05/23/2016)
So I am 25 years old turning 26 in December. I am thinking about going to college for a finance degree. First off, I would start a a community college I have 12 credits already and am in the honors society. No big deal, but I can manage good grades. However, 3 years ago spread out plus or minus a year. I have a DUI, Corruption of minors/furnishing alcohol, simple assault/harrasement, and Theft (petty theft less than 50 dollars) I did for my wife ex wife. Anyway, I miss school and quit because of her and her daughter and life in general just getting in the way. Obviously I wouldn't go to an ivy league school, just a low ranked school like Temple university or if im lucky Pitt. My main concern is will I find a job in the finance industry with my record? I have no felonies thank god. Also, I wouldn't even know what jobs in into. I had a passion more like an obsession with the stock market and trading. Honestly even a financial analyst position would be great. So what are your thoughts/ recommendations/ concerns? thank you.
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