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In my opinion, the firing of Larry Summers by the politically correct liberals, was a disgraceful moment for the world's greatest university.

President Drew Faust seems to be bent on fully implementing her politically correct agenda. She recently hired Nohria as the dean of Harvard Business, who explicitly said that he wants the school to accept more women, minorities, and internationals. For those of you who read GMAT club forum or follow HBS Guru, the big PE firms got absolutely destroyed in round 1 admission at HBS this year. Firms like Blackstone, KKR, and Carlyle, which usually sends 90%+ of their pre-MBA associates to HBS did dismally. The number i heard for blackstone is that they went 0 for 4.

I totally appreciate the need to have students from different backgrounds. Business school will be awfully boring if everyone came from a banking/PE background. Nonetheless, I have a major problem when a school accepts people from certain demographics just for the sake of diversity. Once again white and asian men continue to get shafted by the liberals who are obsessed with multiculturalism and making minorities feel better about themselves.

Harvard will remain the greatest school in the world, the standard by which every other school is judged. It is sad though to see this rampant pc agenda.

Comments (135)

  • SAC's picture

    More Women ? Want
    More minorities and internationals ? Do not Want

  • TNA's picture

    Harvard has a great product, but Wharton, Booth, and Columbia will just capitalize on this. Social engineering will fail.

  • brokencircle13's picture

    This new dean is totally missing the point of business school. I hope the alumni can exert some pressure to change this.

    --Meliora sequimur

  • Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture

    political correctness=positive discrimination

    positive discrimination=reverse racism/sexism/xenophobia, etc

    reverse/racism/sexism/xenophobia, etc=racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc

  • Gekko21's picture

    Truer words were never spoken Midas. SB.

    "Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

  • In reply to Midas Mulligan Magoo
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Midas Mulligan Magoo wrote:
    political correctness=positive discrimination

    positive discrimination=reverse racism/sexism/xenophobia, etc

    reverse/racism/sexism/xenophobia, etc=racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc

    Exactly. When liberals talk about racial and social "justice," it really means that they want to screw over whites and asians and give spots at elite schools to unqualified blacks and latinos.

  • Troll's picture

    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

  • In reply to Troll
    Brady4MVP's picture

    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Exactly. Liberals only care about minorities if they're black or latino. Asians get screwed over in this country, easily the most victimized group out there.

  • God of the Orient's picture

    I bet this new crusade doesnt help out Chinese Americans, not in the slightest, even though we are minority (heck, blacks are a majority compared to the chinese).

  • In reply to God of the Orient
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Chinese Peasant wrote:
    I bet this new crusade doesnt help out Chinese Americans, not in the slightest, even though we are minority (heck, blacks are a majority compared to the chinese).

    Yes, east asians, domestic or international, get screwed over. Liberals despise asians.

  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    I agree 99% with the OP except on this point--Harvard will not remain the greatest school in the world--at least business school--if policies like this are implemented, remain and in fact water down the quality of candidates. Top financial, consulting and other firms will ratchet down recruiting at HBS if the quality of their candidates is diminished, e.g. less relevant experience, heavy foreign accents, VISA issues with candidates, etc.

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever wrote:
    I agree 99% with the OP except on this point--Harvard will not remain the greatest school in the world--at least business school--if policies like this are implemented, remain and in fact water down the quality of candidates. Top financial, consulting and other firms will ratchet down recruiting at HBS if the quality of their candidates is diminished, e.g. less relevant experience, heavy foreign accents, VISA issues with candidates, etc.

    I guess we'll wait and see. The HBS name brand is VERY powerful. I don't think them turning down some PE kids will lead to wharton or booth taking over their spot.

  • In reply to BigBucks
    CompBanker's picture

    BigBucks wrote:
    bro who cares?

    Those of us who are applying to HBS this year and are watching our likelihood of acceptance fade into the sunset.

    CompBanker

  • MPG's picture

    HBS is in my opinion, a house of cards that rests too heavily on a bed of perceptions and not truth. They are still a high caliber program, but I believe their brand will diminish over time if they keep this crap up.

  • In reply to HerSerendipity
    CompBanker's picture

    HerSerendipity wrote:
    so following that, what about girls in PE..?

    I've spoken to my friends at various PE shops and everyone is getting blasted. You may have a fighting chance, but I think the ability to differentiate yourself from all the other PE folks out there is more important this year than ever before. Hope you've been doing your community service!

    CompBanker

  • In reply to Brady4MVP
    God of the Orient's picture

    Brady4MVP wrote:
    Chinese Peasant wrote:
    I bet this new crusade doesnt help out Chinese Americans, not in the slightest, even though we are minority (heck, blacks are a majority compared to the chinese).

    Yes, east asians, domestic or international, get screwed over. Liberals despise asians.

    Does it have anything to do with Liberals' inferiority complex?

  • In reply to Troll
    Gekko21's picture

    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Asians are a minority in name only....as far as liberals are concerned they are too smart and successful to qualify for minority status.

    "Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    SAC's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever wrote:
    I agree 99% with the OP except on this point--Harvard will not remain the greatest school in the world--at least business school--if policies like this are implemented, remain and in fact water down the quality of candidates. Top financial, consulting and other firms will ratchet down recruiting at HBS if the quality of their candidates is diminished, e.g. less relevant experience, heavy foreign accents, VISA issues with candidates, etc.

    In all fairness, a large portion of International MBA students are returning home to their own countries to work nowadays.

  • APAE's picture

    It's hilarious to see some of the rampant venom spewed in this thread.

    Most people do things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.

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  • In reply to CompBanker
    HerSerendipity's picture

    CompBanker wrote:
    HerSerendipity wrote:
    so following that, what about girls in PE..?

    I've spoken to my friends at various PE shops and everyone is getting blasted. You may have a fighting chance, but I think the ability to differentiate yourself from all the other PE folks out there is more important this year than ever before. Hope you've been doing your community service!

    Yikes. FML.

  • TNA's picture

    Just say you are black and if they give you shit sue them saying you are a fraction black or something.

  • TNA's picture

    Could you imagine the negative PR involved in fighting a case, saying someone isn't black enough to be called black lol.

  • In reply to TNA
    Brady4MVP's picture

    MSFHQ wrote:
    Just say you are black and if they give you shit sue them saying you are a fraction black or something.

    Lol. I know I should've changed my name to Kwame a long time ago!

  • In reply to Gekko21
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Gekko21 wrote:
    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Asians are a minority in name only....as far as liberals are concerned they are too smart and successful to qualify for minority status.

    Liberal despise those who are self-made. They believe in government handouts and affirmative action.

  • BigBucks's picture

    Brady4MVP you generalize like an idiot on one of those yahoo message boards. next you'll start using the word libtard and begin to call Obama, odumba or obummer or w.e childish insults you can come up with. Enough with the liberal generalizing, it displays a lack of intelligence. If you have an issue with the policy then take issue with it, and disagree without having to resort to unnecessary stereotypes and misconceptions.

  • HFFBALLfan123's picture

    I wonder if it's possible to just pretend your gay on your essays to get into Harvard. Write about how hard it has been to be successful in this industry with all of the negative stereotypes towards gays.

  • restructure-this's picture

    I'm laughing out loud at some of these comments. You folks do realize that English is the national language in a lot of countries. International doesn't mean mumbling IT dude who never leaves his basement. Won't comment on the minority bit because people have a myopic view of the world.

  • In reply to BigBucks
    Brady4MVP's picture

    BigBucks wrote:
    Brady4MVP you generalize like an idiot on one of those yahoo message boards. next you'll start using the word libtard and begin to call Obama, odumba or obummer or w.e childish insults you can come up with. Enough with the liberal generalizing, it displays a lack of intelligence. If you have an issue with the policy then take issue with it, and disagree without having to resort to unnecessary stereotypes and misconceptions.

    Are you denying that most liberals support affirmative action? Are you denying that black and hispanic applicants get into elite schools with lower credentials than their white and asian counterparts? Because there's plenty of data on the latter that supports my view.

    This is a very stressful time for those of us applying to top b-schools. I don't mind getting rejected if I don't pass muster, but the notion of schools turning down qualified applicants to make room for minorities is sickening and goes against any fair conception of individual merit.

  • In reply to Brady4MVP
    SAC's picture

    Brady4MVP wrote:
    Gekko21 wrote:
    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Asians are a minority in name only....as far as liberals are concerned they are too smart and successful to qualify for minority status.

    Liberal despise those who are self-made. They believe in government handouts and affirmative action.

    Worst part is that most Asians and Indians still vote Democrat for the most part, despite the fact that liberals hate them because of their work ethic and self-made success.

  • In reply to BigBucks
    Gekko21's picture

    BigBucks wrote:
    Brady4MVP you generalize like an idiot on one of those yahoo message boards. next you'll start using the word libtard and begin to call Obama, odumba or obummer or w.e childish insults you can come up with. Enough with the liberal generalizing, it displays a lack of intelligence. If you have an issue with the policy then take issue with it, and disagree without having to resort to unnecessary stereotypes and misconceptions.

    What the hell are you talking about...that stereotype is spot on. I remember having a conversation with a professor a few years ago about how kids selected classes. He thought that kids with the lowest GPAs should get to pick classes first rather than a person's number of credits. I said, I thought the system was alright the way it was,but why not give it to kids with the highest GPAs who work the hardest....he's response. "The dumb kids need more help"

    Liberals discount success, but make excuses about failure.

    Also, its liberal who made up the term "teabagger"...conservatives like to use the term socialist or communist...all of which are real words and do more to describe his policies. I don't know many libertarians or conservatives, if any, who are malicious enough to call people names without commenting on their policies-----leave that to the liberals.

    I used to be the person who generally disregarded stereotypes, but then I worked as a bartender....Not only do ethnic groups have their unique drink choices, but Jews are indeed cheap. I'm not saying it as an insult, more of a cultural fact. You have no idea how many Jewish weddings I worked where I got paid almost nothing. There was once wedding 350 Jews, 4 bartenders, 6 hours of work, one bartender made $3 in tips..........that was IT.

    Irish-Italian wedding on July 4--walked away with over $300 by myself.

    "Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

  • bankier's picture

    So as a white European... would I benefit from these changes in policy as they try to increase the number of foreign students or would me, not being part of any minority negatively overcompensate that?

  • blastoise's picture

    This is going to mean more apple laptops on campus

  • In reply to Troll
    Argonaut's picture

    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Are you fucking shitting me? Population of Asians in the US is 4.5%. Population of Asians at Harvard is nearly 20%.
    Blacks are under represented by about a third (8%vs. more representative 12%), and non-Hispanic whites are underrepresented by about a third as well (47% vs. 65% general population). Hispanics are represented proportionately.

    More is good, all is better

  • WishYouWereHere's picture

    Argonaut they are discriminated against, that 20% is despite not because of reverse affirmative action. If admissions was race blind asians would make up 30-40% of colleges/grad schools, if not more

  • In reply to Argonaut
    Brady4MVP's picture

    Argonaut wrote:
    masterofpuppets wrote:
    Asian Americans are a minority in the this country. (I hate all the PC racial segregation, but Im just saying)

    But no, they will be discriminated against in every step of the admissions process.

    Are you fucking shitting me? Population of Asians in the US is 4.5%. Population of Asians at Harvard is nearly 20%.
    Blacks are under represented by about a third (8%vs. more representative 12%), and non-Hispanic whites are underrepresented by about a third as well (47% vs. 65% general population). Hispanics are represented proportionately.

    There aren't that many academically qualified blacks out there. Derek Bok, the former president of Harvard, said that if there were no affirmative action, there would only be a handful of blacks at Harvard undergrad.

  • In reply to TNA
    rafiki's picture

    MSFHQ wrote:
    Could you imagine the negative PR involved in fighting a case, saying someone isn't black enough to be called black lol.

    I think the "One Drop" rule here would make it pretty tough to fight if you could find even one remote black ancestor.

  • BigBucks's picture

    So I'm supposed to take it as a true statement that liberals hate people for work ethic and success? Saying they support affirmative action is different from saying they hate people who work hard and become successful, for me to believe the latter would be ridiculous.

  • Babyj18777's picture

    I don't see why everyone here is complaining so much. If you're really that smart, and that dedicated, and that hard working, you're going to make it where you want to be in life, regardless of where you went to school.

    The banks and private equity shops will recognize that Harvard is not producing the same caliber graduates and they will act accordingly. And if for some reason top tier firms begin to value diversity over talent, then the best and brightest will move on from financial services and stake their claim elsewhere.

    This is just another example of how higher education is failing everyone; you're not special.

    Fucking cry babies on this forum and in this thread in particular. Get over it.

  • In reply to WishYouWereHere
    Brady4MVP's picture

    southernlovr wrote:
    This is unbelievable. Considering that the KKR/Carlyle kids should have been shoo-ins even if they didn't do those 2 years in private equity (since those firms take kids with mostly top GPAs from top schools who have worked at GS/MS/McKinsey), the 0 for 4 rates in unbelievable.

    It really is unbelievable. All of my friends with TOP credentials got dinged at HBS and Stanford this week. They're all in shellshock.

    Dee Leopold, the dean of admissions at HBS, said earlier this week that if they were accepting applicants based purely on credentials, the results would have been different.

  • TNA's picture

    Go apply to Wharton or Booth, who gives a shut. Do you really want to go to Harvard now that they are dilluting the punch?

    The problem with this country is not AA. The issue is we have a society where people who have more options than anywhere else continue to fail and the people in power make excuses for them. I continually say it on this site, you could take an Indian kid from the streets, starving to death, missing 2 legs, an eye and 3 fingers, who speaks no english, bring them to the USA and that kid will be successful. Losers in this country can't get their act straight because the free housing we gave them wasn't up to snuff.

    Whenever people accuse "white" people of racism I kindly remind them that not all white people are the same. Reverse racism is still racism.

    Liberals hate people who succeed. Those that work for their money rarely enjoy seeing it stolen and given to someone else. I guess robbery is cool if you make over 50k.

  • In reply to restructure-this
    Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    restructure-this wrote:
    I'm laughing out loud at some of these comments. You folks do realize that English is the national language in a lot of countries. International doesn't mean mumbling IT dude who never leaves his basement. Won't comment on the minority bit because people have a myopic view of the world.

    Yeah, it's also one of several national languages in India, too. Do you think firms are falling over themselves to hire associates who sound like they're from Mumbai rather than Minneapolis?

  • TNA's picture

    I am a European American and anyone who does not correctly call me this gets called a racist and bigot.

  • audaciou02's picture

    I have friends currently at top business schools who did PE stints and it's just not purely credentials. I think many of these business schools have to weigh what are the career prospects for many that enter. If they accept a class of 50% PE / finance types, lets say 400 students per year, but only have 100 job openings available for the next year, it won't make their placement numbers look so high.

    Lets face it, there aren't as many finance jobs out there and especially PE jobs. B schools are changing who they're targeting as a result and that explains why a lot of these people aren't getting into business school.

    Also, I find it all too common that when these students do apply it's the same story. I want to get a skill set so I can return to PE...how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of the pool even if you did do a stint at KKR? They can't take everyone from KKR, but I'm sure some got in.

    I've seen back office consultants get into HBS, but are they not worthy? Not quite, they'll be successful alum just in a different role and at least their story sounds more plausible than the cookie cutter finance ones.

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