How many hours do interns average?
I'm just curious about the number of hours that interns typically average at BB banks. Do they work a lot of weekends? Specifically looking for info on ML. Thanks
I'm just curious about the number of hours that interns typically average at BB banks. Do they work a lot of weekends? Specifically looking for info on ML. Thanks
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A friend of mine interned at MS doing S&T. During the final weeks of her internships she wasn't leaving before 11pm. Said she had to just to keep up with the other interns. My guess would be the ML IBanking interns will be equally pressured to work.
I left at 7 pm or 8 pm.
For IBD (M&A, industry groups) in BB (i.e. ML) in a decent city I would expect to do an average of about 16/17+ hours a day.
For ECM and DCM the hours are lower - in between IBD and S&T.
For S&T maybe 13-14 hours depending on complexity of the product on the desk.
interns will work extremely hard. If you're a Summer Analyst, take regular analyst hours and add 15-20% b/c you're on a ten-week job interview and you need to get a full-time offer out of it. If you're a Summer Associate, take regular associate hours and add 20-30% b/c the full-time associates will push as much work down on you as is humanly possible, and you will do it b/c you don't want to be the only person who returns to b-school in the fall who didn't get an offer from his investment bank. If that happens, it is EXTREMELY hard (not impossible, but very difficult) to get a full-time banking offer at a bank similar to the one where you interned.
I worked much harder as a full time than as an intern. Most people I know did. Yes it is a 10 week interview, but you don't have anywhere near the amount of responsibility you will have as a full time.
Agree, plus summertime is always quieter.
We were a great group of interns....we were on a pretty quant desk, but we all left around 5:30 or 6. (S & T-all got offers)
Summer Analyst: Hours? (Originally Posted: 04/02/2008)
I will be working as an investment banking summer analyst for a middle market firm in New York City.
How are the hours like for summer analysts at MM/boutique IB firms?
Best,
SoulSearching
Invest in a cot. Perhaps one of those inflatable air mattresses.
"Oh - the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion?"
use the search function, this question has been asked several times before, though as always the answers are only a guide. Hours will vary by individual firm, group, deals, ect.
think it really depends as monkey said but id expect an average of 75/wk +/10 hrs a week on average
trade4size, sadly I was a kid who used an inflatable mattress my entire SA stint for a bed. Surprisingly, they're quite comfortable.
I myself spent the last 2 weeks of the summer on an airmattress. I thought it was pretty good myself, once I let some air out of it and stopped rolling off the sides =)
My personal ave was 95/week, though that is probably on the high side for various reasons (group, OT comp, etc.)
I would say speak with someone in your group/bank. I spoke with one of the analysts in my desired summer group, and he mentioned that it tends to vary, but bc they are staying busy with some live deals, that hours would be something like 9-11/12 weekdays, and maybe a Sat every now and then.
It can't hurt to speak with an analyst briefly, since it may build some goodwill for when group placement comes around (next week for me). If you don't feel comfortable talking about hours, just ask about their work, and what their doing (live or pitching), and the opportunities for a SA>
Summer Analyst Hours (Originally Posted: 04/12/2014)
I am interning at a Bulge Bracket bank this summer in NYC in sales and trading and wanted to know how many hours per week I can expect to work.
Anything from 60-75 hours from what I heard. Could do weekends if you are working on multiple projects..
Thanks for the response!
In early ~ 6am Out around 6pm.
Lots of coffee runs and bs work to keep you busy. Just show interest and get to know everyone.
I know one can't trade but are there day to day tasks which you could undertake if you prove that you are competent?
In at 6:30 - 7:00am Out 5:00pm - 6:00pm
Be prepared for Starbucks and Shake Shack runs
Hours wise are pretty much what others have said. You will basically never have to work a weekend unless you are specifically on the sales side or rotating into a sales role and an important project comes up.
Doing to day to day tasks just to prove competency are pointless, they already know you're competent (unless you're giving them reasons to believe you aren't.) When you have idle time you can spend it researching ideas or projects that your group is already working on in effort to add value. Don't half ass it if you do, make sure your idea may actually have the potential to improve on theirs, or at the very least potentially improve efficiency in a particular existing way of doing things.
Basically don't try to do stuff that you show to your superiors just for the sake of showing them that you're doing stuff. Ask yourself both before you begin doing something individually, and after you've completed it, if it's something that you think they may find worthwhile.
SA Hours - Fewer research interns (Originally Posted: 04/03/2014)
How much do ER SAs work? I have a BB offer and am expecting 6:30-7:30.
Do ER interns work weekends? What about holidays like 4th of July?
Also, on a completely different note, are there intern events like in banking? considering there are significantly fewer research interns.
Why is this even important
Just leave at 5 everyday, no biggie
If you are not required any additional face time, then 7-7 is the norm. Weekend work will probably be non existent (although it happens for the FT guys). If it's a bank holiday - it's a holiday.
Intern events, you will probably be involved in the very same events, not sure whether HR can be bothered to tailor events for every single FO team. Not that it matters though and if it does - just ask HR.
This. I would also add that you will likely be thrown into the S&T intern bucket and will attend all structured events/training with them.
Who threw MS? A disgruntled banker envious of a 60-hour week?
But yeah, at BBs in London, 6.30-6.30 is the norm. If you have a big project to complete over the course of the summer, you may well have to stay later (but it's likely that no-one will make you stay - there's often no facetime culture in ER).
I know some BB ER interns (in NYC) who worked more than banking hours during the week, but mostly minus weekends - I'm talking 730/8 to near midnight M-T and a bit earlier on Friday. Small sample size though, so could be the particular interns wanting to make a good impression or whatever (or the bank).
Group dependent, but expect to walk out once you see the IB SAs pick up their seamless for the night. Don't be a clock watcher and ask your analyst if there is anything you could do to help out before you leave for the night. There are events. Like Flake said you will be pooled in the S&T bucket. Good networking though as you get to talk to people who eventually might be your peers if you get a FT offer.
Honestly, stay a little later during the week. Ask your analyst for any industry primers or white pages and begin actually learning the sector.
SA hours - How many hours they work? (Originally Posted: 02/17/2010)
Does anyone know how many hours SAs usually work over the summer? My bank pays overtime and was just trying to guesstimate how much I'll be making.
If it makes a difference, my bank is a lower tier MM bank.
It varies widely based on a number of factors: bank, group, deal teams, etc.
Since you're trying to estimate your earnings (and perhaps factor that into how much you can pay for rent or whatever), you can conservatively say 80 hours a week. It may be more than that (85-90+ on average), but it's impossible for anyone here to tell you a firm number.
How many hours/week do you work as a summer analyst/paid intern? (Originally Posted: 01/18/2015)
Do you work just as much as a full-time analyst (ie. 15hrs a day or more)? Or are you given more leeway with the hours since you're working at the firm for only 7-10 weeks?
Could you provide info on the firm?
Usually same hours, if not worse than FT analyts because you're trying to get the FT offer...I know people who worked significantly worse hours (1-2 more per day) than FT analysts during their internships.
You should be the last person to leave the office, you are on the bottom of the totem pole.
How many hours will I expect for summer internship at GS? (Originally Posted: 05/09/2010)
I got summer internship at Ops within GS. How many hours would I expect to work for?
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yes, exactly, by putting BO in the title of your post you can ensure that you will either be ignored or made fun of.
true that
~8-7 depending on what your doing. some a little longer, some shorter
Summer Intern Hours at BB? (Originally Posted: 03/30/2007)
How many hours did you i-banking summer interns, the mid-office Finance Division guys, and the back office Operations guys pull throughout the summer? I know they vary for each but does anyone know roughly the amount of hours for each?
Im not in opps and dont know about interns but I see full-time opps guys and they seem to work an hour or so after the traders. Some of there bosses are in the office till late though
My boss is still here and its friday, I hope to leave asap
In mid-office Finance, your average day will be from 9-6.
How many hours are you pulling for ibanking, research, sales and trading, and Asset Management?
How many hours per day at internship (Originally Posted: 05/22/2013)
Hi monkeys, I am interning at a boutique IB firm and I work under one of the MDs. I am supposed to be scheduled from 7-3. The internship is unpaid. Although it is unpaid, I really enjoy working here and am learning a lot.
The problem is that the MD is usually really busy until around lunch. So before that I am left with not much to do other than read the news, fix up some spreadsheets, read books, etc. He usually has lunch with me and after will give me a project or some tasks to complete. Most of the time the tasks will take me past 3.
My question is, at an unpaid internship, how many hours would you stay for past your scheduled time? It's not that I am dying to leave, but the internship is unpaid and full time (5 days / wk).
I'm generally against unpaid internships, but you say you like it. Do extra work as long as you're gaining something. If you're not learning extra, then leave.
Well I had a paid corp. finance position but I wasn't enjoying it as much, I mostly did insignificant things and pretty much was paid to show up and sit around. I'm a sophomore / rising junior, I tried to get a paid internship in IB but didn't have any offers.
I'd treat it like a paid job and stay at least until some of the people senior to you leave. Maybe ask your colleagues if there's anything you can do for them, since you don't seem to have that much to do.
Just ask people for some work, there are always stuff (even something a little bit random) around. Do not know how long you should stay but I think it is good to stay after 3pm for a couple of hours at least.
why work 7-3? Just go in later. I'm sure he would approve.
Hours during training for summer IBD interns (Originally Posted: 05/24/2007)
Hi guys, I did search this topic, and while there a lot of threads and posts that discuss the responsibilities, expectations of duties, and how to better prepare oneself for summer training, there isn't a thread that explicity discusses the hours of summer IBD training. There are threads about FT training hours, so now I ask about summer intern training hours.
What are those like? At my firm, training lasts from Monday to Satuday, and I'm wondering when they'll let us out on that last day. I ask this because I have a family event that Saturday in the afternoon and evening, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to make at of it. I know banking is long hours; I am excited about that and welcome the committment. I just want to know about the last day of training, so if anyone has been through summer internship training, I would really appreciate their input. Thank you.
mine was 830 to 9ish with 2 nights going until 1130
i think my last day was early afternoonish, but this was 3 yrs ago.
Just call or email HR. They will tell you.
Thanks guys. By the way, of course I emailed HR and an analyst who works there. I was just using this as a third resource.
I was relaying my personal experience. When I was in a similar situation as yourself, I called HR and they were able to tell me a set time that we would be done by, set enough to book a flight on. I guess it's different at MS.
What Hours Do BB Interns Work? (Originally Posted: 04/03/2011)
Hi, this is more of a question of curiosity...what kind of hours do interns for BBs like GS and JP Morgan work (more specifically in investment banking and investment management)? I'm just trying to compare my 9.5 hour internship at a boutique over summer to this. Thanks.
Oh interns.. doh.
9-5.
85
^^Jeff obviously means 8 to 5. Bankers have low hours. You'll love it! Models and bottle baby
I believe interns at most major BBs usually come in at 10ish, and leave a little after 4. They also get Fridays off. They try to keep it as "collegial" as possible.
Yes, sorry I meant to type 8-5. Only reason I have to come in so early is because I work at a "sweatshop" where we can work as much as 45 hours a week. I kid you not.
models and bottles from 5 o clock on everyday.
ATM's are open 24/7
someone has to be working them
haha nice
You guys must have had some crazy deal flow... like white hot cuz I rarely clocked a full 40. The best part tho was the 2-hour lunches and constant praise from my team about what a good job I was doing...
4am
buddy of mine at Lazard said he was in the office until 6:30 everyday last summer. total sweatshop over there, avoid it if you want to have a life.
7:30am - 6pm, eat lunch at your desk
source: friend who worked at BB SA IBD and got FT offer
Thats sucks, is that enforced to make sure you don't make bank on the OT?
FICC S&T 8-8, sometimes much later and the occasional Sunday.
I did M&A and worked 9am-2am most days. 1 hour for lunch and usually spent 1.5 hours shooting the shit with analysts and associates eating dinner together.
I love how you only mention "BBs like GS and JPM" as if their hours are any different from those of "lower-tier" BBs like Barclays, Citi and BAML.
Hours as SA this summer? (Originally Posted: 05/18/2009)
Given the lack of deals going on, what do you think SA hours will be like this summer? Do you think SAs will still be called in to work during weekends?
you guys wont be called into work on weekends this summer. deal flow is so low quality and limited these days.
dude.... seriously you got the job, you should know that work comes in waves and its unpredictable until everyone above you (FT analyst up) goes to bed.
Regardless of weekends, what is generally the average S.A workday? in terms of arrival time and leaving at night
Depends on what division/desk you're working...
Didn't you do some research before your interviews? Fuck, I knew this shit going into sophomore recruiting.
Also, the search function is helpful.
first one in, last one out is your average SA workday
Fuck that, if you're done with work, just go home. Ask the analysts / associates politely if there's anything you could help with once you don't have work after, say, 8PM. If there's nothing on your plate, go home and get some rest.
But don't get into work later than 9 or 9:30.
With deal flow low you could find yourself sitting around for 12-16 hours at a time doing nothing some days. Definitely put in your face time but like Classic said, after a certain point ask the analysts if there is anything you can do for them and let them know your going to bounce. Weekends should not be mellow but feel it out the first few weeks to make sure people aren't expecting you to be there.
Thanks for the advice! I've been hearing mixed stories about weekends, so I wasn't sure if things were busy enough that we would be expected to come in on weekends, too.
Even if things are slow, is it not taboo to leave early?
Don't people who have to stay behind get jealous that you are leaving early and will talk trash about it?
F that. Those people staying behind should have given the SA some work do.
You gotta pay your dues man. I think anyone who has ever joined a fraternity (a real one, not a pussy one) knows this. Even if there is no work I think it doesn't hurt to hang around as long as other analysts/associates are in the office.
The internship is only 10 weeks, man up.
Yea seriously - its 10 weeks, just ante up and work yourself. You better be the last one out, whether its 5pm or 5am. If you really care about getting an offer, this is a rule you should live by.
There can be fire drills at anytime, and people will always remember the fire drills where the other intern was there slaving it out, while you dipped out early.
You should make an effort to have fun, esp in NYC, but don't let it get in the way of your performance during your internship, assuming you actually care about it.
I wish employees informally would let you know this kind of stuff instead of "learning on the job" the hard way. Sounds like no one will give you a hint about what you're doing wrong.
it's a bad sign when people don't give you any work and stop asking you to do stuff.
Summer NY BB hours (Originally Posted: 07/09/2013)
Hey everyone, I'm a summer analyst at a NY bulge bracket (but not gsjpms)
Before I started my job,I feared how I would be slaving away for 80-90 hours a week at my job, but in actuality I've only logged on about 60-70 hrs/week. (12-14 hours mon-thurs, maybe 10 on friday, and a splattering on the weekend.)
I was just wondering how bad other summers are having it, am I getting off easy? Or do bankers just like complaining? Is this the norm for summer?
i heard that most bankers exaggerate their hours
100 hour work weeks are the exception not the rule. I work at a MM and have seen weeks from 65-90, but usually around 70. Buddy over at BAML worked a 120 hr week though. Needless to say he looks like shit now haha.
there is definitely a ton of exaggeration with respect to hours. However, 60 seems a little low. i'd say 70 is more normal
what time do yall usually get in?
lots of dick-measuring (metaphorically, of course...) with regard to hours
Nah, I'm right there with you OP. I have been tracking my hours, just cause I was curious to see what they were actually like. I would say my average week hovers right about 68-70 hours a week. Worst week being 82 hours, which was only in five days and was the first week.
I would definitely say complaining and exaggerating is the norm. I would also say that the known sweat shops (Moelis, certain groups at GS, etc.) are as bad as expected.
You get 2-4 hours off early on Friday? I only get 1...
I'm at a MM and average 80-90 hours per week. Worst week so far was 110+ hours.
Just wondering but usually at what time do you typically enter the office as an IBD intern (assuming you want to be first one in the office). Then at what time do other bankers typically start coming into the office? It would be great if someone could list an average entering office time, for each rank (analyst, associate, VP, MD etc.) and by year (1st year analyst, 2nd year analyst etc.)
Just get in by 9. In my experience, most people in IBD come in later than 9. even analysts, unless something needs to be done urgently.
I work in a top group at GS/MS London, and we get out at 3 am consistently throughout the week, even later. Many other groups do the same. At this point, I'm wondering if I should apply to be moved to the us.
And you're a Summer Analyst at a BB M&A or Industry group, not ECM/DCM? If you work around 70 as a SA, do analysts and associates work around 60? Seems too good to be true to me.
Banking hours on WSO are notoriously exaggerated. Sure, there's the one person who worked a soul crushing 140 hour week at Laz, but as others have said that is the relatively rare expection. Some people get off to comparing banking hours. Don't ever be disappointed by the fact that you "only" worked 60 hours last week.
if you're in a product group as a SA (at least at my bank), you tend to work less since you will never be trusted to model and there are no pitchbooks to work on.
coverage, especially healthcare gets worked to death
80 has been average for me. Week of fourth was 65 and this week will likely be over 90. I'm in a coverage group that is thought to have horrible hours and has heavy deal flow, but like you say it hasn't been too bad with the exception of a few 2-3 day 17+ hours/day stretches. I wouldn't be concerned as long as you know you are at a top group and are getting deal exposure.
70-90 sounds about right for summer. Once again, all depedent on deal flow.
i think it really depends on a lot of factors (firm, team, sector etc) - ive had friends giving very wide numbers, but the range usually tends to be between 80-100 hrs
From my experience, hours depends on a few things: - Deal Flow - # of Analysts - # of Summer Analysts - Nature of the Group I've seen a typical range from 70-100 a week average. 70 would look like mid to low deal flow, plenty of analysts, plenty of summers, and lax culture. 100 is super lean and high flow; 100+ is that including a bad culture.
Generally, the more senior people arrive earlier than the analysts. It's not unusual to see first years rolling in around 9:30-45 AM and second years around 10:00-15 AM.
Hours are grossly exaggerated on this website. With the exception of a few well-publicized sweatshops, hours float around 70 hours for most BB coverage groups. I know several IB analysts who take 50-hour-or-less weeks when things are slow, but this is exceptionally low and only in groups with no-facetime cultures. In short, unless you are heading into a sweatshop, you can count on your hours being ~70 per week.
Typical number of Workdays/Hours for SA at BB (Originally Posted: 03/01/2009)
I know SA's can expect to work from 9am - 2/3am, but I've heard less about the number of days. Are summer analysts at bulge brackets usually expected to come in 7 days a week? I've heard Saturdays usually a full day, Sundays half a day. Is this across the board typical at BB's?
This is for a BB in Hong Kong, and would like the chance to really explore the area and maybe a brief trip to Beijing/Shanghai. Is it possible to work this in during the SA stint?
Thx
I would like to know as well. More specifically for:
Citi CapMarkets
At a U.S. BB regional office I regularly worked 8:30-11+ (wide range, but rarely left before 11 and often there until 1-2 a.m. and later).
It was expected you work at least those hours during the week, although Fridays you might be cut some slack (i.e. almost everybody was out by 8-9, unless they were working on something important).
Saturday: expected to work at least 8-10 hours, start time varies but you should be in by 11-12 at latest. From what I saw, few seemed to work extremely late nights on Sat.
Sunday: Be in by noon, you're expected to work "investment banker's hours", i.e. until 1-2am or later.
I've always heard Asia offices were far, far worse. Expectations vary WIDELY by office / group. When in doubt, come in early and stay late.
Summers always worked less then regular analysts at first. It takes a week or two for a summer to know enough to be able to do anything but print shit and do research on google. At first you should expect about 9-seamlessweb.
Once you know enough not to damage anything you'll be there till about the same time as the full time analysts.
As to the weekend, I would say arrive between noon and 2 and you'll be there till probably 8 both days.
This all being said, things are a lot slower then they have been in previous years. So, who knows if you will really need to be in on weekends or as late as we made people stay in years past.
I usually got to work at 8:30 am and did not leave before 11:00 pm from Monday to Thursday.
On Friday, I was usually gone around 8 ish pm. Rarely worked on Saturdays, but on Sundays worked from perhaps 2 pm to 10 pm.
Summer Interns, What has your workload been like? (Originally Posted: 06/18/2016)
Summer Interns,
I wanted to ask you directly what your workload is like. Specifically, elaborate on your hours and lifestyle. If you stay late, are you really staying late because you actually have work? Or are you simply staying late for the sake of staying late with the team.
I'll start. Get in office by around 7:40. Leave around 8. I work at a smaller shop so the culture is surely different than a BB and is much more relaxed. My team has also said that right now isn't particularly busy. Hopefully things will pick up soon!
I got staffed on Monday night and have been 9:30-1 since (1 semi-live and 1 fully live deal), which I don't think is too bad for BB groups. My analyst is really nice and has been letting me leave a bit early so i can go the gym in the mornings; I think he's been staying until like 3 though
When you say staffed on Monday night.. first official day after training week? And what have you been doing up until 1? Is part of it just trying to pick up the learning curve?
Top MM in the South for one of its best coverage teams. I get in at 8am and I'm usually out of the office by 10pm/11pm. Latest I've been out is 12am one night. It's just me and one other intern on my team, so we've both had the opportunity to contribute a lot. I've helped on several pitches so far and am currently working on one live deal. There's only been one day that I've been bored and read WSJ/WSO for the most part, but that's because we had an intern event going into the evening beginning at like 12pm so they didn't want to assign anything pressing.
Thanks for making an account to answer this post. I'm also at an MM in the south. What kind of stuff have you been doing for the deals? And what about the pitches?
Boutique firm in the Midwest. I get in around 8 and leave between 9/10 most nights depending on what the analysts have dropped off. Been mostly working on PowerPoint stuff for memos or management presentations. I have done a little in excel but mostly buyer lists and not modelling. The analysts have been really nice and willing to answer questions. The senior bankers have let me sit in on some calls and been willing to explain their psychology which I was not expecting.
I'm not an intern, but out of curiosity, why are you getting in at 7:40?
I'm an early riser I guess. I'll probably start coming in the office a tad later.. Looks like most of the office isn't in until 9
Well-known MM, multi-group/generalist intern (as are the others). I usually get in around 8:30-8:45, leave time has varied significantly (9pm earliest, 3am latest). Definitely staying late because of real work, firm isn't big on "face time" after about 9pm. Staffed on 2 live deals & an M&A bake-off. Work flow during the day is significantly slower than I would have expected, usually doesn't pick up until after lunch.
I just search WSO all day, and take 30 minute shits #CommercialBankingLife
besides the "important" projects i've been working on, i've fetched a total of 11 coffees (over three different times) with a reluctant smile
thanks WSO for making me feel like a war criminal :*(
glad you weren't scared off by that giant pile of monkey shit
cheers mate
Oh my goodness you're the coffee dude. I can't believe you're still using your account proudly with -18 banana points after the entire website WSO shit on you. I guess you're like Trump. It's stlil publicity after all
Here is a sympathy SB
Just checked out why you're at -16 and saw you were the one with the coffee thread I never clicked on. Have no idea why people got so riled up over that. I thought it was funny; people need to relax.
When you said you get in at 7:40 and leave at 8, for a second, I thought you only worked 20 minutes a day
Coffee dude had his time, don't let him hijack what would otherwise be a useful thread.
I had high hopes for this thread, but it's quickly degenerating into something I would see on a Youtube video
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