Signs that interest rates will rise

Hi guys,

just curious to know of any signs that would imply that an interest rate rise is on the cards? You always hear the press talking about traders pricing in certain probabilities regarding rate fluctuations but if someone could point out how they form their opinions I'd appreciate it.

Cheers

 

Ah yeah. Of course. My bad. I was thinking about bonds for some retarded reason.

Thanks for clearing that up Mrvau.

I guess I really should be asking what drives the trend behind the yield curves? Anyone care to explain this for me? Obviously they have been forecasted but what is the justification in determining whether it slopes positively or negatively?

Thanks guys.

 

Check out the EuroDollar contracts which are futures on 3mth interest rates, traded at CME. They have high liquidty traded 23h a day, gives you immediate feeling of where/how the i% are going. these are also what the calculation of "there are xxx% chance of a 25bp hike in yyyy" sort of comments.

 

Piece from the journal today:

"For starters, the Fed isn't expected to begin tightening monetary policy as it has in the past by raising the federal-funds rate. Instead it is likely to start by reversing its so-called quantitative easing, which was largely accomplished by pumping cash into the mortgage-backed securities market, where it bought roughly 70% of new securities last year.

Nick Kalivas, vice president of financial research at MF Global, argues the Fed isn't likely to address raising rates until it can gauge the success of its exit strategy from the mortgage market. As a result, investors should take their cues from that, rather than waiting for a language change, he says. The reason is that the end of the mortgage-buying program, slated for March 31, holds the potential to lead to higher mortgage rates."

 
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saying "can you show me a sign that will tell me when interest rates are going to rise?" is really no different from asking "can you show me a sign that will tell me when the stock market will crash?". One can see what the market prices for interest rates in the future by looking at the forwards which are traded in the market...for example I can get a market on the 1yr forward 10yr rate (which is called 1Y10Y for short) but whether interest rates actually realize those forwards is anybody's guess just like whether Microsoft stock is going to go up or down.

For example, right now the market prices rates rising signifigantly in the next couple of years, especially in the short-end of the curve. However, this means that to make money betting on higher rates, rates dont just have to rise but they have to rise by more then is implied by the forwards. For eg, going off the top of my head, 2yr US Treasuries yield about 82bps, but 6 months forward they yield about 150bps...so to make money selling 2yr treasuries over the 6 months they would have to yield more then 150bps. Its a signifigant hurdle to leap over. This is just another way of saying a short in 2 year notes has pretty large negative carry...

 

good points by bond arb. spot 10 yr rates are around 3.70 today, 1y year forward, they're 4.25%. so even if rates rise, you need them to rise more than the forwards to win.

I think long 1y1y is a winner.

 

I feel like all the above responses are begging the question.... so we expect interest rates to rise because the market says interest rates are going to rise (according to the yield curve, and other metrics). And the market says interests rates are going to rise only because people expect interest rates are going to rise. Are there any fundamentals outside of market-based metrics that one might rely on (i.e. foreign central banks raising interest rates, exiting stimulus programs)?

 

"Are there any fundamentals outside of market-based metrics that one might rely on (i.e. foreign central banks raising interest rates, exiting stimulus programs)?"

have you seen how much money the treasury is printing?

 

You can still get a good interest rate if your credit report is good. Even if they rise, you will qualify for a good rate if your credit report is good. This is all I think about all day since I work for www.icreditinc.com I spend all day with people who need a better rate on something!

 

Rates have to go up eventually, but the questions are when SHOULD they and when WILL they.

I think given the current climate the Fed will prioritize employment and let inflation come (it's already happening as evidenced by commodity markets, despite what CPI may say).

There have been many great comebacks throughout history. Jesus was dead but then came back as an all-powerful God-Zombie.
 

No need for them to go up any time soon. Take a look at Japan.

By the way, they still, at least in my opinion, have yet to bottom out. Wait til we see a sub 200 bp yield on the 10 year and 250 bp yield on the 30 before we resume this conversation

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

I agree w/ LIBOR, see the 10 yr staying in this range throughout next summer, but dipping lower in the near term with QE2. Fed Fund probably won't be hiked until early 2012 at this point.

 
Bondarb:
the funds rate will probably stay where it is for some time, but long end yields are already 50ish bps off the lows and I expect them to contiune to rise as the economy improves.

Don't think Fed might end up buying more than expected through QE2?

Jack: They’re all former investment bankers who were laid off from that economic crisis that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have zero real world skills, but God they work hard. -30 Rock
 

Yeah, I'm just not quite convinced that the market has priced in what I think the amount will probably be.

Jack: They’re all former investment bankers who were laid off from that economic crisis that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have zero real world skills, but God they work hard. -30 Rock
 

...maybe but we'll see...i might be a bit early or I could be flat out wrong as has happened many times and will happen many times in the future.

I will say that as I watch the World Series Korean exports just printed +30% YoY for OCtober. Maybe I am still drunk from brunch but that dosent seem like a global slowdown to me. I cant see why long bonds are a good buy right now no matter what the fed is doing. That's not to say you cant be long in the short-end where you have fed irresponsibility on your side, but I think the back-end is in some trouble.

 

What if they have a downward sloping demand curve?

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

Who's "they"? Demand curve for what? Are you talking about liquidity preference and quantity of money?

Dude, don't ask this question. It is completely irrelevant. I can't even see it being a good question at a place like Roubini. Economics is theory, jobs are about practice. This is tantamount to asking something like "how do you decide when to IPO?" It's so ridiculously off-point that I wouldn't even know how to respond to such a query.

You want to ask your interviewer questions that will answer a question you need answered. This question just shows a lack of knowledge about a topic.

in it 2 win it
 

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