Signs that interest rates will rise
Hi guys,
just curious to know of any signs that would imply that an interest rate rise is on the cards? You always hear the press talking about traders pricing in certain probabilities regarding rate fluctuations but if someone could point out how they form their opinions I'd appreciate it.
Cheers
Yield curve
Steepening of the yield curve.
Inflation forecasts.
Thanks guys. Which yield curves in particular? 5 year? 10 year?
Also, are there any economic indicators that count like UE etc?
The yield CURVE includes SEVERAL interest rates. You can't have a "5 year yield curve"... That's why it'is a CURVE and not a single point...
Ah yeah. Of course. My bad. I was thinking about bonds for some retarded reason.
Thanks for clearing that up Mrvau.
I guess I really should be asking what drives the trend behind the yield curves? Anyone care to explain this for me? Obviously they have been forecasted but what is the justification in determining whether it slopes positively or negatively?
Thanks guys.
Check out the EuroDollar contracts which are futures on 3mth interest rates, traded at CME. They have high liquidty traded 23h a day, gives you immediate feeling of where/how the i% are going. these are also what the calculation of "there are xxx% chance of a 25bp hike in yyyy" sort of comments.
Yield curve - upward sloping, rate of change - in particular, I look for LIBOR to move in the upward direction.
Piece from the journal today:
"For starters, the Fed isn't expected to begin tightening monetary policy as it has in the past by raising the federal-funds rate. Instead it is likely to start by reversing its so-called quantitative easing, which was largely accomplished by pumping cash into the mortgage-backed securities market, where it bought roughly 70% of new securities last year.
Nick Kalivas, vice president of financial research at MF Global, argues the Fed isn't likely to address raising rates until it can gauge the success of its exit strategy from the mortgage market. As a result, investors should take their cues from that, rather than waiting for a language change, he says. The reason is that the end of the mortgage-buying program, slated for March 31, holds the potential to lead to higher mortgage rates."
saying "can you show me a sign that will tell me when interest rates are going to rise?" is really no different from asking "can you show me a sign that will tell me when the stock market will crash?". One can see what the market prices for interest rates in the future by looking at the forwards which are traded in the market...for example I can get a market on the 1yr forward 10yr rate (which is called 1Y10Y for short) but whether interest rates actually realize those forwards is anybody's guess just like whether Microsoft stock is going to go up or down.
For example, right now the market prices rates rising signifigantly in the next couple of years, especially in the short-end of the curve. However, this means that to make money betting on higher rates, rates dont just have to rise but they have to rise by more then is implied by the forwards. For eg, going off the top of my head, 2yr US Treasuries yield about 82bps, but 6 months forward they yield about 150bps...so to make money selling 2yr treasuries over the 6 months they would have to yield more then 150bps. Its a signifigant hurdle to leap over. This is just another way of saying a short in 2 year notes has pretty large negative carry...
good points by bond arb. spot 10 yr rates are around 3.70 today, 1y year forward, they're 4.25%. so even if rates rise, you need them to rise more than the forwards to win.
I think long 1y1y is a winner.
I feel like all the above responses are begging the question.... so we expect interest rates to rise because the market says interest rates are going to rise (according to the yield curve, and other metrics). And the market says interests rates are going to rise only because people expect interest rates are going to rise. Are there any fundamentals outside of market-based metrics that one might rely on (i.e. foreign central banks raising interest rates, exiting stimulus programs)?
of course, interest rates are driven by macro fundamentals to a very large degree. for example look at this white paper from ny fed economist. it basically uses large amounts of macroeconomics data to structure a model that gives better predictions than random walk
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=676909
"Are there any fundamentals outside of market-based metrics that one might rely on (i.e. foreign central banks raising interest rates, exiting stimulus programs)?"
have you seen how much money the treasury is printing?
Thanks for the responses guys! Incredibly helpful!
You can still get a good interest rate if your credit report is good. Even if they rise, you will qualify for a good rate if your credit report is good. This is all I think about all day since I work for www.icreditinc.com I spend all day with people who need a better rate on something!
irrelevant to this thread.
ROFL...troll?
Hahahahaha has to be. I hate trolls, but hat off to you sir.
Interest Rates (Originally Posted: 10/21/2010)
Curious about some of your opinions of where interest rates are heading.
Mine is that the fed will use the fact that inflation may be rising as an excuse to lift rates.
Thoughts?
Rates have to go up eventually, but the questions are when SHOULD they and when WILL they.
I think given the current climate the Fed will prioritize employment and let inflation come (it's already happening as evidenced by commodity markets, despite what CPI may say).
No need for them to go up any time soon. Take a look at Japan.
By the way, they still, at least in my opinion, have yet to bottom out. Wait til we see a sub 200 bp yield on the 10 year and 250 bp yield on the 30 before we resume this conversation
The market seems to have already digested QE2 for Nov 1. It will be interesting to see what happens if that doesn't go through.
I agree w/ LIBOR, see the 10 yr staying in this range throughout next summer, but dipping lower in the near term with QE2. Fed Fund probably won't be hiked until early 2012 at this point.
the funds rate will probably stay where it is for some time, but long end yields are already 50ish bps off the lows and I expect them to contiune to rise as the economy improves.
Don't think Fed might end up buying more than expected through QE2?
Yeah, I'm just not quite convinced that the market has priced in what I think the amount will probably be.
...maybe but we'll see...i might be a bit early or I could be flat out wrong as has happened many times and will happen many times in the future.
I will say that as I watch the World Series Korean exports just printed +30% YoY for OCtober. Maybe I am still drunk from brunch but that dosent seem like a global slowdown to me. I cant see why long bonds are a good buy right now no matter what the fed is doing. That's not to say you cant be long in the short-end where you have fed irresponsibility on your side, but I think the back-end is in some trouble.
Unless the global economy tanks, I think nominal rates will go up 3-6 months after the end of QE2. That could come as soon as March-June '11.
Interest rates (Originally Posted: 07/26/2011)
So I am studying some macro, and I was wondering if anyone could clear up a confusion for me. Suppose the rate of return implied by a x-year zero coupon Treasury is r% and the federal reserves lending rate to banks is s%. Then needn't s%>r%? Otherwise (if s%
Yeah that sounds right......
-UBS Quant
interest rates (Originally Posted: 01/26/2013)
Anybody have any suggestions on a solid pdf or webpage that breaks down interest rates and their impact on investment decisions? Looking to avoid buying and or wasting time reading the same summarized ideas. Really looking for a solid bit of info and breadth on the ins and out of interest rates.
I really think you need to be more specific; "Interest Rates" is possibly the single broadest topic in finance.
more specifically their role in international finance.
Dude, really...more specific. It's a really broad topic. How much do you know about rates already? Do you have a sense what drives short-term vs. long-term rates? What the meaning/implications of a flat/inverted/normal yield curve are? What drives basis swap spreads?
Fabiozzi on fixed income?
How do you set interest rates? (Originally Posted: 08/06/2013)
Is this an acceptable question to ask the interviewer?
No?
I thought this was going to be a question about setting interest rates on loans. Its obviously dependent on risk, but I have no idea how one would go about making a model to reflect this.
You're right
What if they have a downward sloping demand curve?
Who's "they"? Demand curve for what? Are you talking about liquidity preference and quantity of money?
Dude, don't ask this question. It is completely irrelevant. I can't even see it being a good question at a place like Roubini. Economics is theory, jobs are about practice. This is tantamount to asking something like "how do you decide when to IPO?" It's so ridiculously off-point that I wouldn't even know how to respond to such a query.
You want to ask your interviewer questions that will answer a question you need answered. This question just shows a lack of knowledge about a topic.
Ask them how to fix LIBOR.
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