How much sh*t do you have to go through?
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on 12/12/12 at 9:45pm
WSO, They say not to give up and that you'll succeeded, but how much sh*t do you have to go through? How many times do you have to fail in order to succeed?
Need motivation monkeys, dont post YouTube videos of athletes or pornstars...I need real stories.
Mod (Andy) note: See great responses below by UFOinsider & rufiolove






go.with.the.flow wrote: how
how much shit do you have to go through? How many times do you have to fail in order to succeed?
Wish there was an easier answer but the truth is "as much as it takes." You only need one yes. Try reaching out to a few mentors for an honest assessment of what you are doing wrong. It is definitely a tough year and in a better year you might have been a shoe in for certain places you are getting rejected from now, but you'll appreciate breaking into the industry in a year like this a lot more than someone who is getting in on a favor.
Take a day off to have some fun, go get wasted and forget about this for a night... It isn't going to cost you anything and you could definitely benefit from a change of pace. I just did this last weekend... had been working on this monster deal (currently falling through which in and of itself is incredibly frustrating) and I took time to go meet up with some friends and get blasted. I took stock and realized I hadn't had any fun in a solid month and a half to two months. Some people might be hardcore and think that's what it takes for success but I disagree. What I found was that even though I was concentrating all my efforts and working my ass off, that I was suffering from a lack of perspective and I wasn't communicating effectively and would become unnecessarily defensive. After having a weekend to relax and do things I wanted to do, I realized that I was obsessing over things I couldn't control. It doesn't matter how badly I want the deal to go through or how many hours I work, if the client views it as a square peg - round hole situation, it simply isn't going to be. You can apply this to your situation. Maybe you are doing everything you can do and it's simply a timing issue. If that's the case, it is a numbers game and the more you interview the better your odds of success will become. If it's an inadequacy in your approach, the good news is that you can correct it.
I know it can be difficult to believe that success will come, but if you keep after it, someone is going to be willing to take a chance on you and then all you have to do is do what you've been doing and prove them right. Have some fun, don't lose sight of what is important and make sure that you realize that this "too shall pass."
1/2 of the WSO Bash Brothers
"Licensed to Ill It"
We all know Bro J did it...
I wish the SB situation was
I wish the SB situation was working, I'd be up-repping rufio.
A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.
Nice advice rufio,,but im not
Nice advice rufio,,but im not in IB ..im just getting frustrated trying to leave my tech job and starting my own biz..yea man a day off really helps to unwind...once or twice in a month i hit the reset button
|| But feeling good and enjoying life are prerequisites to success, not by products of it- Midas Mulligan Magoo ||
serious shit right there.
serious shit right there. thanks rufio.
"A year ago I would have
"A year ago I would have stood up here and told you to do anything it takes to get what you want in life, even if it almost kills you. But, over the last year, I learned something. The thing about that is that IT ALMOST KILLS YOU. I can honestly say it was worth it. It sucks, but its worth it.' -Conan O'Brien
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
go.with.the.flow wrote: need
need real stories
Last time I'm going to talk about this until I'm accepted to grad school:
College: state school
Major: Psychology, Ancient Religions
GPA: 2.01 (out of 4, barely made it through)
Internships: none
Research: none
Experience: bartender
Story:
Was contacted by top schools coming out of high school, including an ivy. Stayed local, for whatever reason, for better or for worse. Family tragedies, loss of parent, ensuing total failure of person during early 20's. Consider joining military b/c it was what straightened out all of the other knuckleheads in family for past four generations...plus it's cool. You get a fucking gun and get in shape. Downside...death. No biggie, better than this life, fuckit, always wanted to join anyway. It's also an honorable thing to do. Start talking to recruiters, running, and doing pushups and pullups.
THEN.......
Was bartending as Lehman, AIG, everything exploded, had been working in restaurants for decade. Some regulars had worked in now dearly departed firms. They were drunk and sobbing, had to carry one guy home (on multiple occaisions)...dude had really nice house. Gave lots of drinks away at that time, felt really bad for them, listened to their life story OVER AND OVER. Learned that Wall Street isn't just for rich people: YOU CAN GET A JOB THERE AND MAKE THAT MONEY They all landed on their feet, were grateful for the kindness, advised me to go back to school and work in NYC.
Went back to school.
Networked balls off in last semster, graduated in fall of '09, landed three internships two weeks out of school (they assumed I was still a student) and took two
* MM EQR
* corpfin (F1000 company, had bad feeling, didn't accept, company went bankrupt three months later)
* market research
Internships were crap pay, had to continue working behind bar while scheduling hours around other two jobs and one last class from vocational school (backup plan). Average of 6 hours of sleep for a year, worked seven days a week, sometimes had to travel from South NJ, to NYC, to Central NJ coast area, to central Jersey 20 miles inland.....sometimes all in one day. Help family + friends start small gold trading company while they're unemployed. Business makes small fortune, branches out into all sorts of stuff, I get credit for helping make it happen. Put +/- 35,000 miles on car that year.
Continued to network balls off.
Started reaching out to recruiters, started at Addeco, didn't know better. Discover linkedin, no one wants to talk to me, start pestering recruiters. Invite returned by recruiter from Linkedin in March 2009, got interviews for "entry level jobs" in branch banks, random corporate work, admin assistant in NYC, etc etc etc bullshit jobs. Went to interviews anyway to practice. Second recruiter from linkedin finally gets back to me in October, wants to meet. I go in. They tell me I need a suit.
Who knew?
Buy suit, stumble across M&I and finally get a clue. Get interview with MM AM product group in December 2009. Kill the interview: *meh* experience but a lot of it, GPA never comes up, they all want to know what commods markets are going to do. Wall Street VP asking me what I'd buy, quite a trip, avoid answering at all costs, learned to dance around topics while bartending. VP eating out of my hand, associate directors don't like me, MD hugs me. Strange, but good sign. NEVER LET ON HOW MUCH I WANT THIS. Hired to start first week of January 2010. Put in notice, work one more week, sleep for a week, walk in, hit ground running. Previous 'BS' internships actually prepared me very well for job, have interaction with people at former internship...and it is oh so sweet. Fuckers.
....two years later....
Automated my former job, now work on sales end, computer does some ops, I delegate the rest. Still on ops paygrade, below street rate, very bitter about this, dream of putting responsible party to death, MD doesn't like them, note to self. Current role puts me one degree of seperation from CEO on daily basis, still do shots of Jameson with the margins clerks. Now silent partner in small business, still bartend on weekends, figuring out how to start charity sometime this year. Work with kids from targets, some are cool, one is married, some never stop bitching and suck at life, it's just like any other group of people. Continue to network balls off, meet people, make friends, make some really good friends, KIT, all that good stuff and a bag of chips. Sponsored for 7,6, and whatever else I want to take, will get them all if I have time. Underestimated them, seriously understimated them, FAILED seven, feel like a dope, studying balls off, taking again in few weeks, will kill it. When passed, will assume management position here, maybe get paid enough to live like human being in NYC. MD is getting impatient. If so, will move across street from work.
Found WSO last year ....
....and everything changed. Learned that suits/clothing from K&G, Century 21, and Marshalls don't cut it. Learned how to do resume correctly, learned what C/V is. Bought a pair of Allen Edmonds, good God they're comfortable. Have met hundreds of people in finance, learned about jobs I didn't even know existed. Get lots of resumes from people looking for work, pass them on, build good karma. Learn that strong GMAT + experience + good essays + good interviewing skills + networking + good story can overcome GPA. HBS is out of question...maybe top 20? Still very embarassed by GPA. Was fucking A+ student entire life until college. Fucking academics, spreading bullshit to the youth.
This year, starting Jan 1;
Have come to conclusion that 'finding yourself' is bullshit: study hard, work hard, play hard, be good person, reconcile with family, dream big dreams, go out and do them, hope that afterlife is kind to me....whatever it is. Met some girls, had some fun, got feelings hurt, met more, got hurt again, met one who is really cool, hope it works out, realize I'm family type person...all three current jobs are family owned and/or managed. Also learn that bschool opens a lot of doors, is now focus of my existence. Hope that decent bschool takes me. Wandered into Columbia a little while back, then Rutgers and NYU, started meeting people, kept in touch, will be meeting more people tonight.
Just realized I do this, thanks rufio:
What I found was that even though I was concentrating all my efforts and working my ass off, that I was suffering from a lack of perspective and I wasn't communicating effectively and would become unnecessarily defensive.
^ figuring out what to do about this. Hopefully get a rest soon, body is tired, eyes are bloodshot, have lost 25 pounds of muscle. Have quit smoking but still drink gallons of coffee, it's not really even working anymore. This pace isn't sustainable, can't even imagine what IBD is like, fuckit, gunning for IBD assoc after MBA, will sleep when dead. If fail, then fuckit, go corporate, its still better than being a bartender in a small town.
Still doing pullups/pushups/running, still meet old regulars from bar on PATH, will meet soon for drinks at Ohara's. I do sympathize but fail to see why anyone with half a brain and a decent education can't find a job, change jobs, or start a small business in their basement. Definition of 'decent education', 'job', and 'small business' open to interpretation. It's just a matter of what you want to do with your time.
YOU CAN FUCKING DO IT, NOW GET TO WORK
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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rufiolove
how much shit do you have to go through? How many times do you have to fail in order to succeed?
Wish there was an easier answer but the truth is "as much as it takes." You only need one yes. Try reaching out to a few mentors for an honest assessment of what you are doing wrong. It is definitely a tough year and in a better year you might have been a shoe in for certain places you are getting rejected from now, but you'll appreciate breaking into the industry in a year like this a lot more than someone who is getting in on a favor.
Take a day off to have some fun, go get wasted and forget about this for a night... It isn't going to cost you anything and you could definitely benefit from a change of pace. I just did this last weekend... had been working on this monster deal (currently falling through which in and of itself is incredibly frustrating) and I took time to go meet up with some friends and get blasted. I took stock and realized I hadn't had any fun in a solid month and a half to two months. Some people might be hardcore and think that's what it takes for success but I disagree. What I found was that even though I was concentrating all my efforts and working my ass off, that I was suffering from a lack of perspective and I wasn't communicating effectively and would become unnecessarily defensive. After having a weekend to relax and do things I wanted to do, I realized that I was obsessing over things I couldn't control. It doesn't matter how badly I want the deal to go through or how many hours I work, if the client views it as a square peg - round hole situation, it simply isn't going to be. You can apply this to your situation. Maybe you are doing everything you can do and it's simply a timing issue. If that's the case, it is a numbers game and the more you interview the better your odds of success will become. If it's an inadequacy in your approach, the good news is that you can correct it.
I know it can be difficult to believe that success will come, but if you keep after it, someone is going to be willing to take a chance on you and then all you have to do is do what you've been doing and prove them right. Have some fun, don't lose sight of what is important and make sure that you realize that this "too shall pass."
Exit opp: motivational speaker
UFOinsider thanks a lot for
UFOinsider thanks a lot for the heartfelt reply man...i can sense that its coming from a kind place and i am humbled.
Yea man..its hard to keep on gunning...although i said no youtube shit videos but i love the speech sly gives in rocky 5 (see it if you haven't), it gives me goosebumps whenever i watch it. 99% of people want security over risk and I can clearly see why..because taking risk is worse than death..you dont know the outcome and you dont know if you can ever succeed. Your family turns against you because they think you're a fucking failure, your friends bail on you when they see you struggling and society gives you a middle finger when you no longer have prestige. Your self esteem is fucked and its seems the whole world is against you even you.
I am grateful you shared your story today. I wish you the best of luck and I hope you kill it. Hopefully in 5-10 yrs time, I can invite everyone on WSO whose been kind to me and throw a party which would make the devil ashamed.
|| But feeling good and enjoying life are prerequisites to success, not by products of it- Midas Mulligan Magoo ||
go.with.the.flow
UFOinsider thanks a lot for the heartfelt reply man...i can sense that its coming from a kind place and i am humbled.
Yea man..its hard to keep on gunning...although i said no youtube shit videos but i love the speech sly gives in rocky 5 (see it if you haven't), it gives me goosebumps whenever i watch it. 99% of people want security over risk and I can clearly see why..because taking risk is worse than death..you dont know the outcome and you dont know if you can ever succeed. Your family turns against you because they think you're a fucking failure, your friends bail on you when they see you struggling and society gives you a middle finger when you no longer have prestige. Your self esteem is fucked and its seems the whole world is against you even you.
I am grateful you shared your story today. I wish you the best of luck and I hope you kill it. Hopefully in 5-10 yrs time, I can invite everyone on WSO whose been kind to me and throw a party which would make the devil ashamed.
I'm in, hopefully I'll own my own bar at that point...drinks will be on me, of course.
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
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UFO, you are hott
UFO, you are hott
UFO. Great story, I feel
UFO. Great story, I feel your pain. But, it is motivational and inspiring.
When luck shuts the door you gotta come in through the window - Doyle Brunson
SB for you UFO. Way to go
SB for you UFO. Way to go man.
you dont know the outcome and you dont know if you can ever succeed. Your family turns against you because they think you're a fucking failure, your friends bail on you when they see you struggling and society gives you a middle finger when you no longer have prestige. Your self esteem is fucked and its seems the whole world is against you even you.
Not trying to be an ass, but that's what you can't be thinking. If you know where you want to be, work your ass of until you get there. I mean, not everyone can be Michael Jordan, but anyone can get into finance or quit his job and start his own tech company as it's the case. If you work hard enough you will survive, and even if you fail so what?? You work your ass off again and be an employee again. You just need to want it bad enough so you'll be willing to put the effort.
UFOinsider wrote: YOU CAN
YOU CAN FUCKING DO IT, NOW GET TO WORK
SB for you man. I love reading these stories about people defying the odds and working their way up.
If anyone else gets motivated and wants to write about how they got where they are today, I've got more SBs waiting.
Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.
UFO, you are the man. Keep
UFO, you are the man. Keep grinding
UFO i didnt know all that
UFO i didnt know all that about you... good on you sir!
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Thanks for the SBs...Patrick
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UFOinsider wrote: Thanks for
1/2 of the WSO Bash Brothers
"Licensed to Ill It"
We all know Bro J did it...
Damn, shit just got real.
See my WSO blogs here.
Fucking hell, are we talking
Samoan bottom ... I think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
+1 ufo, inspirational.
heh
Holy fucking shit UFO. You
rufiolove wrote: UFOinsider
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Good stuff UFO. Today's one
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This thread inspires me like
"Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
Currently: quantitative marketing/business development
Previously: management consulting, investment banking
+1 to rufio now that SBs are
A lot of people do certain things to add days to their life. I do things to add life to my days.
Great thread guys :). I've
Great stuff UFO, very
Depends on how hard you have
“...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
- Schopenhauer
UFO, to say you have giant
Yea man, I can say that I
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
Ambition wrote: Yea man, I
"Social cohesion and puritanical morality place roughly on my list of concerns between whether I'll pick up jock itch at the gym this week (not likely, since I don't go the gym) and whether it'll rain in Christchurch, New Zealand next Tuesday."
-Eddie
Otter. wrote: UFOinsider
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
duffmt6 wrote: Ambition
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
Ambition wrote: Yea man, I
I banana back
Hoogerman wrote: Ambition
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
Ohh and the fact that nobody
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
Thank you this helped a lot
Ambition wrote: Yea man, I
Just a sophomore looking for an opportunity to start up this dream of mine.
Lotin wrote: Ambition
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
Ambition wrote: Lotin
Just a sophomore looking for an opportunity to start up this dream of mine.
rufio's story was
And just a word of advice to
Alsatian I agree with you,
I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,
Go Bucks!!
In short, a least five years
Step 1: Dream the Dream || Step 2: Live the Dream || Step 3: Rinse, repeat.
AVPGuerilla wrote: In short,
"Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
Currently: quantitative marketing/business development
Previously: management consulting, investment banking
AVPGuerilla wrote: fk you I
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