how to get exposure to bonds getting destroyed in coming months ?

Short treasuries or Eurodollar contracts.

Out of curiosity, what do you think makes it so obvious that rates are gonna rise in the "next few months"?

Gold is in sync with equities

look at the graphs in these 4 charts

http://www.bullnotbull.com/archive/gold1980.html http://www.frbsf.org/education/activities/drecon/2003/0301a.jpg http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tradersnarrative.com/wp-… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DJIA_historical_graph_to_jan09_%28log…

take 2007 + 2 same sceneraio as 1980 + 2 it is obvious the fed is going to create a self made recession coming up

nm tbt

Ill make you a market. Fed wont raise rates untill '11

you are prob right feenans i'm not saying its going to raise rates next week or anything but the fed keeps buying bonds they can't buy em in this quantity forever and the united states debt is sky rocketing and obama wants more stimulus it is only a matter of time you may be right though 2011 maybe mid year ?

whats your frame?

I'd say second half eleven earliest. In principle though I agree in the long term bonds will be an underperfoming asset

If ur gonna go ETFs make sure not to buy leveraged shorts, you'll get destroyed by interday volatility

i'm thinking the following is going to happen

1 fed does a economic reset 2 keep rates low while more people get laid off
3 china stops buying treasuries due to currency debacle in senate raising the rate demanded 4. more spending by obambum

still trying to figure out when will be a good time to short >

ultra short or bust

I dont know if you are aware, but just in case http://seekingalpha.com/article/35789-the-case-against-leveraged-etfs

feenans yea i know already read that morningstar ;p

http://www.morningstar.com/solutions/ETFSolutions.aspx?docid=291492

wonder which banks have a big treasury portfolio

I have decided I will keep my eyes on TLT and my short button

haha...."its obvious"...right...

YESSSSSSSSSSS i hope china dumps treasuries kamikaze style soon TLT you shall be at zero

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/121757-74-gop-members-defect-as-china…

BURN BABY BURN http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:TLT

bump

why would you say that rates are going to go up when the fed is discussing QE2? take a look at Japan for the last twenty years... they thought rates would eventually go up there and they have been stuck

i don't mean fed rates i mean rates on government debt now

squirtlez:

Any thoughts? Its kinda obvious rates are going to rise soon what is your opinion?

rates arent going to move unless unemployment comes down

the federal reserve can only do so much buying before hyperinflation happens face it treasury yields are going up up up