How to lose weight consulting?
I already posted this on the investment banking forum, but I want to hear your take on the consulting lifestyle diet. I know from all of the traveling to all of the business dinners, we can get quite fat. I've tried to maintain my weight by running and playing recreational sports at my neighborhood gym; however, the weight gain is still there. I've been following the advice of a couple of articles that I read lately, and I'm not seeing much of a difference. What are you guys doing to lose weight?
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A lot of it depends on your
A lot of it depends on your metabolism. I would suggest fitting in as much cardio as possible. If you can RUN (not walk) 8 - 10 miles a week then that will shed a few pounds. How much do you run right now? Also, with the summer heat you get more out of running outdoors than in a gym. It honestly only takes 12-15 mins to run a mile, so try and crank them out on the weekends or before work. Swimming is also a great option as it provides resistance. Diet wise, I drink water, water and more water. I shoot for a gallon a day, but I don't always make it. Lastly, I live on oats. One, they keep your cholesterol down. Two, they keep you really regular, so you don't have excess waste in you. Jm2c
net shaker got the main
net shaker got the main points down, but your main workout objective needs to be CONSISTENCY. If you can run just 1 mile a day (literally 10 minutes of running), you will feel way better. Client dinners and travel won't be that bad if you keep the rest of your meals healthy, and a consistent workout schedule, no matter how brief the exercise, will help keep you in manageable shape.
But I can't stress the main idea enough: without being consistent, you may as well not work out at all. The idea is to get your body accustomed to a new level of metabolic activity. You can only do this by consistently challenging it to run and / or lift weights.
Exercise being a relevant
Exercise being a relevant factor to weight loss is almost a myth. 90% of any fat loss will come from diet. To put things in perspective, a marathon will burn 2500 calories. That's about the same as a pack of double choc cookies.
Exercise is good for building and toning muscle, depending on the type you do. Your fat loss will come from what you eat. Exercise also makes you hungry, which if dealt with poorly can undo any fat loss benefits obtained from the exercise, so in some cases exercise can make you fatter.
I've shifted a load of weight recently by going strictly low carb, and having some healthy carbs before workouts. I get naysayers from other people but they stopped commenting after a dressdown day where I wore jeans that were new 3 months ago. GG fatties. Which diet you use is up to you. A resource I use is
www.drbriffa.com. A well informed nutritionist who's diet has yielded significantly better results than others I've tried, and it's stayed off.
An important factor that the scientists often omit is the psychological one.
Mental staying power is incredibly important. Diets that say eat less dont work for me because when I'm hungry I'm grouchy, and I'll break if I stay awake long enough. Being able to eat until you're full is a great way of not snacking on junk.
Noticing a 1kg of lean muscle mass gain is pretty hard when its covered in an inch of subcutaneous fat. Therefore:
Use a strict diet to get down to a lower fat level. 8-12% is what you should aim for. Google images various percentages to see what you want to look like.
Hit the weights. You'll have to change diets (no carb makes gyms unproductive, so have some before workouts), a fraction, but you'll see the results better, and feel motivated to carry on.
You could drop the fat you want in 3 months if you were serious about it.
Gl hf.
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trazer985: Exercise being a
Exercise being a relevant factor to weight loss is almost a myth. 90% of any fat loss will come from diet. To put things in perspective, a marathon will burn 2500 calories. That's about the same as a pack of double choc cookies.
Exercise is good for building and toning muscle, depending on the type you do. Your fat loss will come from what you eat. Exercise also makes you hungry, which if dealt with poorly can undo any fat loss benefits obtained from the exercise, so in some cases exercise can make you fatter.
I've shifted a load of weight recently by going strictly low carb, and having some healthy carbs before workouts. I get naysayers from other people but they stopped commenting after a dressdown day where I wore jeans that were new 3 months ago. GG fatties. Which diet you use is up to you. A resource I use is
www.drbriffa.com. A well informed nutritionist who's diet has yielded significantly better results than others I've tried, and it's stayed off.
An important factor that the scientists often omit is the psychological one.
Mental staying power is incredibly important. Diets that say eat less dont work for me because when I'm hungry I'm grouchy, and I'll break if I stay awake long enough. Being able to eat until you're full is a great way of not snacking on junk.
Noticing a 1kg of lean muscle mass gain is pretty hard when its covered in an inch of subcutaneous fat. Therefore:
Use a strict diet to get down to a lower fat level. 8-12% is what you should aim for. Google images various percentages to see what you want to look like.
Hit the weights. You'll have to change diets (no carb makes gyms unproductive, so have some before workouts), a fraction, but you'll see the results better, and feel motivated to carry on.
You could drop the fat you want in 3 months if you were serious about it.
Gl hf.
T
^ He's wrong, OP. Sounds like he drank the kool-aid for fat people. Without proper exercise, you're just going to be a smaller fat person.
arguing against evidence
arguing against evidence using theory. Good luck with that one. FSC for Pope.
What evidence are you talking
What evidence are you talking about?
Edit: for that matter, we're on a website. Any evidence is arbitrary because it'll all be online. I could make some shit up right now.
My point is simply what has been touted since the dawn of the idea of fitness: exercise will make you fit. I drank the diet-is-everything kool-aid before and so has a close friend. Diet alone doesn't work. It simply doesn't.
Did you even read what I
Did you even read what I wrote?
I've lost significant mass (2 stone in 3 - 4 months). I outlined some pretty hard facts (the calories burned in a marathon and gained from a pack of cookies), and you still preach this exercises burns fat bullshit.
How many sporty people are in shape? Even at quite high levels of the game. Why is that? Maybe because it's bollocks. try backing up your reasoning with some numbers.
I could burn more fat with no exercise on a no carb than the vast majority of people could with exercise on a calorie counting diet, strictly because of willpower. Mine isn't particularly good, but I can't even look at a bar of chocolate or an icecream after eating a kilo of bolognese sauce and greens.
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edit: in response to your edit. and i'll repeat this until you do it. Numbers please. Calories burned with specific exercises. How many runners have the body shape you want. google marathon runners and click images. It's like watching a charity appeal.
FSC: What evidence are you
What evidence are you talking about?
Edit: for that matter, we're on a website. Any evidence is arbitrary because it'll all be online. I could make some shit up right now.
My point is simply what has been touted since the dawn of the idea of fitness: exercise will make you fit. I drank the diet-is-everything kool-aid before and so has a close friend. Diet alone doesn't work. It simply doesn't.
I think what trazer wanted to point out is that it's around 80/20 diet/exercise when looking for results. Diet is more important in dropping bf % (which is what the original poster was asking about). If you want to look better (e.g. more muscular) then more of the exercise portion is necessary.
LOL. You mean to tell me that
LOL. You mean to tell me that Zidane isn't in shape? How about Rafael Nadal? Totally different sports. You really think they just wake up and eat a banana? Then play tennis or kick around all day and follow it up with a low-fat yogurt for dinner? And some cheese sticks for a midnight snack?
You need to eat enough calories to supply your body with energy for the day. If all you do is sit in a chair, good for you - you can cut it low as hell and you'll be fine. You won't lose anything beyond abnormally excess weight though, which I assume you have. Cutting 28 pounds by changing your diet is for seriously obese people.
If you exercise, which builds muscle, you will increase your daily energy expenditure by increasing your daily energy requirement to sustain the muscle. Combined with a healthy diet in which you BALANCE your caloric intake at a level slightly lower than what you burn, increase your protein intake to promote muscle growth, lower your sodium and suger intake, and ensure you get the proper levels of nutrients, minerals and essential fatty acids, you can begin to get in shape.
You can follow a "diet only" approach if you want to fool yourself into thinking you're doing good for yourself, OR if your diet was so piss-poor that it was literally KILLING you. But if you're like normal people and don't order 5 McDoubles and an extra-large Pepsi for lunch, you will need exercise to get in shape.
You have an embarrassingly poor level of fitness knowledge. I'm done - OP, good luck and remember: consistency is key.
gstackle32: FSC: What
What evidence are you talking about?
Edit: for that matter, we're on a website. Any evidence is arbitrary because it'll all be online. I could make some shit up right now.
My point is simply what has been touted since the dawn of the idea of fitness: exercise will make you fit. I drank the diet-is-everything kool-aid before and so has a close friend. Diet alone doesn't work. It simply doesn't.
I think what trazer wanted to point out is that it's around 80/20 diet/exercise when looking for results. Diet is more important in dropping bf % (which is what the original poster was asking about). If you want to look better (e.g. more muscular) then more of the exercise portion is necessary.
That's what I thought too until he said athletes aren't in shape and that you don't need exercise.
FSC: LOL. You mean to tell me
LOL. You mean to tell me that Zidane isn't in shape? How about Rafael Nadal? Totally different sports. You really think they just wake up and eat a banana? Then play tennis or kick around all day and follow it up with a low-fat yogurt for dinner? And some cheese sticks for a midnight snack?
Yes, what is true for one is true for all. So I did a quick google search of some sports teams, amateur ones (because that puts the sample size in the same ballpark as the OP)
I clicked first result every time, I didn't cherry pick these photos.
http://www.saveoursouth.co.uk/sites/default/files/... amateur football champions
http://www.broadbiz.co.uk/images/gfinalteam.gif amateur rugby champions
http://www.dewsbury-moor.co.uk/files/gallery/TEAM_... another rugby
tried hockey, but no photo was helpful, either Ice Hockey with armour, or field hockey with womens baggy clothing.
As a player in a lower team of a highly ranked club, our 1st and 2nd teams had very few people I would consider "in shape".
http://bournemouthbarbell.co.uk/wp-content/gallery... powerlifting
So they're the best in their chosen sports, so are either all naturally talented or they train frequently. Hang on a minute. Exercise != getting in shape. Fuck me sideways.
You need to eat enough calories to supply your body with energy for the day. If all you do is sit in a chair, good for you - you can cut it low as hell and you'll be fine. You won't lose anything beyond abnormally excess weight though, which I assume you have. Cutting 28 pounds by changing your diet is for seriously obese people.
No you need to eat enough to keep your body nourished but force it to use up its own energy reserves, (i.e. fat). Oh look the assume word. I was never even obese. I was on the upper boundary of healthy/overweight (i'm 5ft 11 if you want to do the comparison on the chart).
If you exercise, which builds muscle, you will increase your daily energy expenditure by increasing your daily energy requirement to sustain the muscle. Combined with a healthy diet in which you BALANCE your caloric intake at a level slightly lower than what you burn, increase your protein intake to promote muscle growth, lower your sodium and suger intake, and ensure you get the proper levels of nutrients, minerals and essential fatty acids, you can begin to get in shape.
Yes in theory this works, but exercise releases a hunger hormone which makes you eat more. If you're eating the wrong stuff you can do more harm than good. Given that people on diets are overweight in the first place, I think it's safe to say they are eating the wrong foods.
You can follow a "diet only" approach if you want to fool yourself into thinking you're doing good for yourself, OR if your diet was so piss-poor that it was literally KILLING you. But if you're like normal people and don't order 5 McDoubles and an extra-large Pepsi for lunch, you will need exercise to get in shape.
Ah now you've changed the goal line. You said in shape. OP said lose fat. They are not the same thing. 8% body fat with no exercise looks horrible. You cant build muscle without doing exercise, that's obvious.
You have an embarrassingly poor level of fitness knowledge. I'm done - OP, good luck and remember: consistency is key.
Oh look you've gone down the name calling route. Well, I've provided evidence, you've provided me with the names of superstars, who are in the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of their sports. Who's more credible?
being fat is the one thing
being fat is the one thing you don't have to do anything to fix
I thought consultants were smart.
trazer985: FSC: LOL. You
LOL. You mean to tell me that Zidane isn't in shape? How about Rafael Nadal? Totally different sports. You really think they just wake up and eat a banana? Then play tennis or kick around all day and follow it up with a low-fat yogurt for dinner? And some cheese sticks for a midnight snack?
Yes, what is true for one is true for all. So I did a quick google search of some sports teams, amateur ones (because that puts the sample size in the same ballpark as the OP)
I clicked first result every time, I didn't cherry pick these photos.
http://www.saveoursouth.co.uk/sites/default/files/... amateur football champions
http://www.broadbiz.co.uk/images/gfinalteam.gif amateur rugby champions
http://www.dewsbury-moor.co.uk/files/gallery/TEAM_... another rugby
tried hockey, but no photo was helpful, either Ice Hockey with armour, or field hockey with womens baggy clothing.
As a player in a lower team of a highly ranked club, our 1st and 2nd teams had very few people I would consider "in shape".
http://bournemouthbarbell.co.uk/wp-content/gallery... powerlifting
So they're the best in their chosen sports, so are either all naturally talented or they train frequently. Hang on a minute. Exercise != getting in shape. Fuck me sideways.
You need to eat enough calories to supply your body with energy for the day. If all you do is sit in a chair, good for you - you can cut it low as hell and you'll be fine. You won't lose anything beyond abnormally excess weight though, which I assume you have. Cutting 28 pounds by changing your diet is for seriously obese people.
No you need to eat enough to keep your body nourished but force it to use up its own energy reserves, (i.e. fat). Oh look the assume word. I was never even obese. I was on the upper boundary of healthy/overweight (i'm 5ft 11 if you want to do the comparison on the chart).
If you exercise, which builds muscle, you will increase your daily energy expenditure by increasing your daily energy requirement to sustain the muscle. Combined with a healthy diet in which you BALANCE your caloric intake at a level slightly lower than what you burn, increase your protein intake to promote muscle growth, lower your sodium and suger intake, and ensure you get the proper levels of nutrients, minerals and essential fatty acids, you can begin to get in shape.
Yes in theory this works, but exercise releases a hunger hormone which makes you eat more. If you're eating the wrong stuff you can do more harm than good. Given that people on diets are overweight in the first place, I think it's safe to say they are eating the wrong foods.
You can follow a "diet only" approach if you want to fool yourself into thinking you're doing good for yourself, OR if your diet was so piss-poor that it was literally KILLING you. But if you're like normal people and don't order 5 McDoubles and an extra-large Pepsi for lunch, you will need exercise to get in shape.
Ah now you've changed the goal line. You said in shape. OP said lose fat. They are not the same thing. 8% body fat with no exercise looks horrible. You cant build muscle without doing exercise, that's obvious.
You have an embarrassingly poor level of fitness knowledge. I'm done - OP, good luck and remember: consistency is key.
Oh look you've gone down the name calling route. Well, I've provided evidence, you've provided me with the names of superstars, who are in the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of the 1% of their sports. Who's more credible?
Bro, who the hell are those people? Even if you didn't cherry-pick the photos, A. we can't see shit in them and B. it doesn't prove a damn thing.
You've still not refuted the point that one needs exercise to lose fat beyond a certain threshold, and that once past it a balance of both exercise and diet is necessary.
Nor should you try to refute it - it's fact. Even if the OP was in the crowd of people who would benefit from a diet change alone, it's a fact that increased exercise would benefit him.
And no, what is true for one is certainly not true for all.
While we're throwing out completely arbitrary links from places that may or may not be credible, here's one: exercise SUPPRESSES appetite (hunger hormone? LOL):
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/08121...
For the record, diet won't get you "in shape" either. Like I said, a balance of both is key.
And to wrap it up, sorry if I called you any names.
HIIT and clean eating is all
HIIT and clean eating is all you need.
Of course you can lose fat
Of course you can lose fat "beyond a certain theshold" with just diet. Look at any model (female). They aint going running.... They dont have any muscle (as no exercise, nor do they have the nutrition to put it on even if they did), but they're certainly not fat.
Exercise + Diet is best, but you can't eat what you want and just burn it off.
Regarding the exercise and hungry, we'll do a much simpler and less scientific test. Do your gym routine and then see how much you eat, the next day, don't do it and see how much you eat. On both days eat until you no longer want to eat any more. I know where my money is. Hand on heart say its not like that for you and I'll believe you.
Many people have demonstrated you can get the muscle tone you need from just 20 minutes of exercise a day, 3-4 times a week. I don't believe that's long enough to burn a meaningful amount of calories.
trazer985: Of course you can
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fat people disgust me
I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
I lost ~30 lbs in two months
Third prize is you're fired.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
Also, you can, in theory,
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
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cphbravo96: Also, you can, in
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FSC: Negative. You need both
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- Ronald Reagan
cphbravo96: FSC: Negative.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
cphbravo96: Lastly, diet is
bees415: On the point of
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
bees415: cphbravo96:
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
I rest my case. OP, you
I still hate fat people
I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
TonyPerkis: I still hate fat
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
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I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
Haha, I would never have
TCB... you know taking care of business
smack some top shelf
Your not going to see results
Tommy Too-toned: smack some
I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk
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- Ronald Reagan