Yeah LeBron's 24/8.5/6 in the playoffs was just terrible. And he was soooo unclutch tonight, I mean his 21 on 9-15 was way worse than Dirk's 21 on 9-27.

 
gnicholas:
Yeah LeBron's 24/8.5/6 in the playoffs was just terrible. And he was soooo unclutch tonight, I mean his 21 on 9-15 was way worse than Dirk's 21 on 9-27.

Did you watch the games?

Dirk scored like 60 points in total in the 4th quarter throughout the series, putting his best performances on in the clutch. LeChoke on the other hand, scored like 16 - 20 points in the 4th quarter over the series, generally disappearing or jacking up bricks from 26 feet away.

Dirk had a brutal first half tonight, but went 8-15 in the second half, with 10 points in the 4th. Absolutely ridiculous.

 
TheKing:
gnicholas:
Yeah LeBron's 24/8.5/6 in the playoffs was just terrible. And he was soooo unclutch tonight, I mean his 21 on 9-15 was way worse than Dirk's 21 on 9-27.

Did you watch the games?

Dirk scored like 60 points in total in the 4th quarter throughout the series, putting his best performances on in the clutch. LeChoke on the other hand, scored like 16 - 20 points in the 4th quarter over the series, generally disappearing or jacking up bricks from 26 feet away.

Dirk had a brutal first half tonight, but went 8-15 in the second half, with 10 points in the 4th. Absolutely ridiculous.

The Heat didn't lose because of the performance of any single player, just like the Mavs didn't win because of the performance of any single player. Lebron didn't choke at all. There is no statistical evidence to say that Lebron chokes. Did you see the rest of the playoffs? All these people that say Lebron chokes are retarded, absolutely no statistical evidence to back it up, just stupid hype.

 
gnicholas:
Yeah LeBron's 24/8.5/6 in the playoffs was just terrible. And he was soooo unclutch tonight, I mean his 21 on 9-15 was way worse than Dirk's 21 on 9-27.

Statistically speaking, your argument is senseless.

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Way to not rise to the occasion Lebron, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out in 20 years that he was taking money from Mark Cuban.

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The Heat have two of the same players on there team. They aren't balanced at all something has to change or this shit will continue to happen.

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blackfinancier:
The Heat have two of the same players on there team. They aren't balanced at all something has to change or this shit will continue to happen.

That's a silly comment...

First off, who are these "two of the same players"? Lebron and Wade are very different. That's like saying Pippen and Jordan were "two of the same players". Secondly, they lost in the Finals, and beat some very good teams. Even great teams aren't guaranteed to win every single year. Luck does play a role. They don't lose game 2, and they don't lose momentum and this probably would've ended 4-1 in Dallas. That's just the way sports is. The best team doesn't always win (not saying the Heat are better, just sayin').

I don't even follow basketball that much but I think most pro commentators would say your comment is stupid. I didn't hear any of the pros on tv saying that the Heat have "two of the same players". Only people I ever hear saying that are people on fan forums...

 
alexpasch:
blackfinancier:
The Heat have two of the same players on there team. They aren't balanced at all something has to change or this shit will continue to happen.

That's a silly comment...

First off, who are these "two of the same players"? Lebron and Wade are very different. That's like saying Pippen and Jordan were "two of the same players". Secondly, they lost in the Finals, and beat some very good teams. Even great teams aren't guaranteed to win every single year. Luck does play a role. They don't lose game 2, and they don't lose momentum and this probably would've ended 4-1 in Dallas. That's just the way sports is. The best team doesn't always win (not saying the Heat are better, just sayin').

I don't even follow basketball that much but I think most pro commentators would say your comment is stupid. I didn't hear any of the pros on tv saying that the Heat have "two of the same players". Only people I ever hear saying that are people on fan forums...

First off, if you listened to MAGIC JOHNSON he said "Lebron and Wade are both wind up players they BOTH need the ball in there hands to get going, they need to shoot 20+ shots" How doesn't that makes them EXTREMELY similar. They play the same style of basketball Lebron is terrible on the block, they both drive and score the basketball, or take jump shots.

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Here is statistical evidence for LeBron not being clutch and failing his team in the 4th quarter.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/8778/the-lebron-ja…

"By now, you've probably heard about LeBron James' disappearing act in the fourth quarter during the Finals. In today's age of uber-comprehensive media coverage, there's not just one way to capture how little James has contributed in the final frame.

We'll start with the cold, hard numbers. Over at TrueHoop, the ESPN Stats & Info group delivers the goods. They've found that James has scored just 11 points in the fourth quarter in the Finals, which comes to an average of 2.2 points per game in that quarter, down from his average of 7.6 points in the previous three rounds this season. That means he's contributing less than a third of the scoring that he normally did heading into the series against Dallas.

But it gets worse. If we sharpen the focus to just crunch-time (less than five minutes remaining, score within five points), James' numbers fall off a cliff: Perhaps most startling of all is LeBron James’ crunch-time absence in a series that has seen all five games decided late. When the score has been within five points in the last five minutes, James has yet to score in the series, missing all seven shots. Those numbers contrast sharply with Dirk Nowitzki's 26 crunch-time points on 8-13 shooting, not to mention the 34-point difference in plus-minus.

S & I informs us that James doesn't even have a crunch-time rebound either. It's a stark contrast to what he was doing previously in the playoffs in the clutch, when he shot a hot 15-for-31 (48.4 percent) entering the Finals (NBA average is 39.2 percent in these situations.) His efficiency from the floor had been better than anything we'd seen in years.

Want another stat? ESPN Insider's John Hollinger provides some framework around James' 11 points in 60 fourth-quarter minutes: That’s a wee bit south of superstar territory. Actually, it’s a wee bit south of Juwan Howard territory -- he averaged 14 points per 60 minutes this season. Every Miami player except Joel Anthony scored at a higher rate."

Note that LeBron had I think 5 points in the 4th quarter tonight, and 3 of them were on a three pointer after the game had already been decided. He disappeared in this series, plain and simple.

Meanwhile, Dirk stepped up and played his absolute best when it counted the most. This isn't even up for debate. Anyone defending LeBron at this point is either:

a.) LeBron himself b.) On LeBron's payroll or c.) A complete and total idiot

 
TheKing:
Here is statistical evidence for LeBron not being clutch and failing his team in the 4th quarter.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/8778/the-lebron-ja…

"By now, you've probably heard about LeBron James' disappearing act in the fourth quarter during the Finals. In today's age of uber-comprehensive media coverage, there's not just one way to capture how little James has contributed in the final frame.

We'll start with the cold, hard numbers. Over at TrueHoop, the ESPN Stats & Info group delivers the goods. They've found that James has scored just 11 points in the fourth quarter in the Finals, which comes to an average of 2.2 points per game in that quarter, down from his average of 7.6 points in the previous three rounds this season. That means he's contributing less than a third of the scoring that he normally did heading into the series against Dallas.

But it gets worse. If we sharpen the focus to just crunch-time (less than five minutes remaining, score within five points), James' numbers fall off a cliff: Perhaps most startling of all is LeBron James’ crunch-time absence in a series that has seen all five games decided late. When the score has been within five points in the last five minutes, James has yet to score in the series, missing all seven shots. Those numbers contrast sharply with Dirk Nowitzki's 26 crunch-time points on 8-13 shooting, not to mention the 34-point difference in plus-minus.

S & I informs us that James doesn't even have a crunch-time rebound either. It's a stark contrast to what he was doing previously in the playoffs in the clutch, when he shot a hot 15-for-31 (48.4 percent) entering the Finals (NBA average is 39.2 percent in these situations.) His efficiency from the floor had been better than anything we'd seen in years.

Want another stat? ESPN Insider's John Hollinger provides some framework around James' 11 points in 60 fourth-quarter minutes: That’s a wee bit south of superstar territory. Actually, it’s a wee bit south of Juwan Howard territory -- he averaged 14 points per 60 minutes this season. Every Miami player except Joel Anthony scored at a higher rate."

Note that LeBron had I think 5 points in the 4th quarter tonight, and 3 of them were on a three pointer after the game had already been decided. He disappeared in this series, plain and simple.

Meanwhile, Dirk stepped up and played his absolute best when it counted the most. This isn't even up for debate. Anyone defending LeBron at this point is either:

a.) LeBron himself b.) On LeBron's payroll or c.) A complete and total idiot

This is ONE series. Open your statistics textbook and read the section on "sample size". Basketball is an amazing sport to me because so much shit you think you "see" isn't backed up by statistical reality. (i.e. the famous study on the "hot hand")

 

TheKing, pointing out the obvious to Lebron fans is like talking to a wall. They will never conceed that he did choke, he is over rated, and that his work ethic sucks.

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Lebron's job should be to play his best basketball in 4th quarter of the biggest games. He did not do that this series at all. Wade and Bosh even took over some 4th quarters. At no time did Lebron say give me the ball and deliver. I was rooting for the Heat for most of the playoffs, but they really blew game 2 and played like crap games 4-6.

Somehow if Wade had gone to Chicago, I'd say he had his second ring right now.

 

Look dude, the fact remains that he didn't do it when it counts the most. You don't win championships and become the greatest ever by dominating in the conference finals. You can argue about sample sizes and "statistical reality" all day, but he still flopped in the finals when the lights shined brightest and his team needed him the most.

"King" James was out there playing hot potato or jacking up 26 foot off-balance bricks while Dirk was hitting game winners and scoring double figures in the clutch.

 
TheKing:
Look dude, the fact remains that he didn't do it when it counts the most. You don't win championships and become the greatest ever by dominating in the conference finals. You can argue about sample sizes and "statistical reality" all day, but he still flopped in the finals when the lights shined brightest and his team needed him the most.

"King" James was out there playing hot potato or jacking up 26 foot off-balance bricks while Dirk was hitting game winners and scoring double figures in the clutch.

Even great players have bad quarters or miss important shots. That doesn't make them "chokers". If he truly was someone who choked, he would've choked in other 4th quarters in the playoffs (total opposite if you followed the Boston, Chicago series). You would see a statistical anomaly in clutch situations, but it's just not there. This is common in all sports. People see shit that just isn't there. I remember when they said Elway was a choker because he lost all those Super Bowls, and then boom, he wins two in a row. People like to see shit that isn't there. That's why statistics is so important for analyzing stuff, we are incredibly inefficient when it comes to accurately observing phenomena as we are prone to all sorts of biases. Again, read the study on the "hot hand". Even to this day, people swear that certain players get hot at certain times. (Just like how people say basketball is a game of runs, another ridiculous thing that people "see", but is 100% explainable by statistics). Anyone who disagrees with me has something specifically against Lebron and/or a poor understanding of statistics.

 
alexpasch:
TheKing:
Look dude, the fact remains that he didn't do it when it counts the most. You don't win championships and become the greatest ever by dominating in the conference finals. You can argue about sample sizes and "statistical reality" all day, but he still flopped in the finals when the lights shined brightest and his team needed him the most.

"King" James was out there playing hot potato or jacking up 26 foot off-balance bricks while Dirk was hitting game winners and scoring double figures in the clutch.

Even great players have bad quarters or miss important shots. That doesn't make them "chokers". If he truly was someone who choked, he would've choked in other 4th quarters in the playoffs (total opposite if you followed the Boston, Chicago series). You would see a statistical anomaly in clutch situations, but it's just not there. This is common in all sports. People see shit that just isn't there. I remember when they said Elway was a choker because he lost all those Super Bowls, and then boom, he wins two in a row. People like to see shit that isn't there. That's why statistics is so important for analyzing stuff, we are incredibly inefficient when it comes to accurately observing phenomena as we are prone to all sorts of biases. Again, read the study on the "hot hand". Even to this day, people swear that certain players get hot at certain times. (Just like how people say basketball is a game of runs, another ridiculous thing that people "see", but is 100% explainable by statistics). Anyone who disagrees with me has something specifically against Lebron and/or a poor understanding of statistics.

How can you compare the Boston Chicago series... to the Finals...Compare the same types of series NBA Finals to NBA Finals. I'll assume you're an athlete, a quarterfinal game isn't the same as a finals game. Not in the least bit.

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The whole argument that stats in Finals games are no different than stats in any other game would only work if the games were played out in an excel spreadsheet simulation. But, this is real life, and lebron punked out. Disappearing in the 4th, throwing shitty passes to a 55 yr old juwan Howard, jacking bricks from 26 feet, just not coming through or even looking like he wanted to.

Yeah, if he got to play 50+ finals games, I suppose his finals stats would move closer to his career averages, but that's not how it works. He may never even get another chance at the finals, let alone enough games to form a sample size representative of "statistical reality." This is why lebron is a choke artist, he didnt come through when it mattered and often just seemed to defer to anyone else on the floor. He had the chance to take over and be aggressive, and he just didn't. I mean, fuck, this guy scored only 8 fucking pts in game 4.

And honestly, defending lebron after the decision, the ridiculous preseason celebration where he said it would be "easy" and that they'd win "8 championships," and after his bullshit comments in the post-game last night is absurd. He's a fucking dickhead who flopped when it mattered, again.

"But...but...if they played 50 finals games, he would regress to the mean! Clutch doesn't exist! Sports are played in a vacuum!"

That's just not how it works. And honestly, if these teams played 50 finals games, Dirk would probably have played even better and we'd have the same result.

 
TheKing:
The whole argument that stats in Finals games are no different than stats in any other game would only work if the games were played out in an excel spreadsheet simulation. But, this is real life, and lebron punked out. Disappearing in the 4th, throwing shitty passes to a 55 yr old juwan Howard, jacking bricks from 26 feet, just not coming through or even looking like he wanted to.

Yeah, if he got to play 50+ finals games, I suppose his finals stats would move closer to his career averages, but that's not how it works. He may never even get another chance at the finals, let alone enough games to form a sample size representative of "statistical reality." This is why lebron is a choke artist, he didnt come through when it mattered and often just seemed to defer to anyone else on the floor. He had the chance to take over and be aggressive, and he just didn't. I mean, fuck, this guy scored only 8 fucking pts in game 4.

And honestly, defending lebron after the decision, the ridiculous preseason celebration where he said it would be "easy" and that they'd win "8 championships," and after his bullshit comments in the post-game last night is absurd. He's a fucking dickhead who flopped when it mattered, again.

"But...but...if they played 50 finals games, he would regress to the mean! Clutch doesn't exist! Sports are played in a vacuum!"

That's just not how it works. And honestly, if these teams played 50 finals games, Dirk would probably have played even better and we'd have the same result.

This.

This isn't the first time he just 'gave up' or just didn't show up when it mattered - when his team is at the brink of elimination. There's something missing that defines the difference between him and the champions like MJ, Kobe, etc. Willpower, drive, the full belief in himself to carry the team when they're backed in the corner...

 

for all those imbeciles that compared LBJ to MJ, what the fuck were you thinking?! MJ would have never conducted himself the way that LBJ does. MJ had a strong work ethic, wanted to play for the love of the game whereas LBJ wants fame and money. Its very obvious that LBJ wants the easy way championship by just moving to teams with decent players instead of trying to build a dynasty like MJ did. LBJ is a disgrace.

 

Hated his response in the post game presser:

When asked if he was bothered that fans seemed happy to see him fail, James said, "Absolutely not, because at the end of the day, all the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today."

I dont know how someone isnt gonna to perceive that as fans have this pathetic life and they arent worthy almost for LeBron to be concerned with them.

I love his game (although he has some holes) but lets face facts. I dont think he has that alpha mentality, that I'm gonna win at all costs thing that champions in all sports have. He is too passive and has bought into his own hype way too much.

Its a classic case of treating a woman too well who then thinks she can walk all over you. I hope this may be a reality check for him but I think that ship has sailed with 'the Decision'.

I just have one question, has there ever been player/athlete in any sport ever that was the best at one time that is hated so much? Its fascinating.

 

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