I think my manager hates me. How can I still get an offer?

It's like I can do no good in his eyes. He says I should seek to do more work, but when I ask him most of the time he doesn't have any for me. Then when I do what he says, if it's right I only get a thanks. If its wrong it's him saying "I thought you understood this?" so many negative comments/feedback from him.

When I do the work the other two analysts give me, I always get a good job and they respect me much more. How can I improve my chances at an offer? Should I ask the two analysts to sort of vouch for me to my manager so he will recognize my efforts a bit more?

 

I don't think you should do that. I might be wrong - when it happened to me (exact situation you just described) it was really because I messed up once and he sort of judged my future performance on that one mistake.

I solved it by constantly outperforming: few, if any, mistakes, always letting him know I'm busy (you can do this by asking when he needs his new request done, since you're working on a project for x person), and keeping them updated via email. I was never one for being micro-managed, however I realized that this boss liked to know what I was doing most of the time - I kept him updated via email to show that I had real workflow ("here's x project's revision," or "I'm done with X slide deck. I'll do Y project once I finish Z for coworker A today at 4PM"). Just make sure to present yourself in a matter-of-fact way at all times; don't expect a "thanks" or anything, as work is just that and they shouldn't have to thank you, it's just your job to get it done.

Once you change his mind about what you're capable of doing, he'll have a tough time reverting back to thinking you're useless. He'll mentally defend his decision to change his judgement about you.

And, you should also consider, interns and SA's are often a contrived species. We think a lot about things that don't matter. At the end of the day, they leave, eat steak and bang their wives/girlfriends. He doesn't "hate" you as much as he isn't pleased to work with you, and even then it may ALL be in your head.

Good luck.

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I've had a similar experience. My boss was totally hounding me down way more than others. Even my colleagues felt sorry for me and didn't understand why. I quit after awhile because I couldn't take it. In hindsight, I would have told myself this: First, never apologize. If you've done something wrong, just say "I'll get on that", but try not to apologize. He can't like you if he doesn't respect you. Secondly, stay focused and never let him catch you doing nothing. Thirdly, try not think about it. It may be a self-fulling prophecy. If you think he hates you, you'll act in ways that will make him hate you. If he still hates you after you've taken this advice, then it might be just be him. I could be wrong about all of this lol

 
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funkee monkee:
I've had a similar experience. My boss was totally hounding me down way more than others. Even my colleagues felt sorry for me and didn't understand why. I quit after awhile because I couldn't take it. In hindsight, I would have told myself this: First, never apologize. If you've done something wrong, just say "I'll get on that", but try not to apologize. He can't like you if he doesn't respect you. Secondly, stay focused and never let him catch you doing nothing. Thirdly, try not think about it. It may be a self-fulling prophecy. If you think he hates you, you'll act in ways that will make him hate you. If he still hates you after you've taken this advice, then it might be just be him. I could be wrong about all of this lol

Agree with that, and now that I see this, OP: I came very close to quitting that same job. The turning point was when my boss ripped me a new asshole on employee review day, and literally embarrassed me in front of other analysts within earshot of where I was (yes, he continued going in even after my review). This was about 3 weeks into my internship, so it was mid-early June. I had until the end of August to change his perception.

The following Monday, I was set on going to work to quit the internship. The metro wasn't working and I had to walk. I literally walked 3 hours in the blazing sun to get to work and quit. But I got to think so much about the job and what it would mean if I gave up. By the time I made it to work around 11AM, I only reached one conclusion: I'm better than the work I've been putting out and the only way to fail is to quit.

Luckily he wasn't there to see me walk in late, but I sure as hell got my act together. So take that into consideration: you are better than the sum of your parts and in this case, that means you're more than the work you put out and the things you don't do right. All you have to do is show that.

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funkee monkee:
I've had a similar experience. My boss was totally hounding me down way more than others. Even my colleagues felt sorry for me and didn't understand why. I quit after awhile because I couldn't take it. In hindsight, I would have told myself this: First, never apologize. If you've done something wrong, just say "I'll get on that", but try not to apologize. He can't like you if he doesn't respect you. Secondly, stay focused and never let him catch you doing nothing. Thirdly, try not think about it. It may be a self-fulling prophecy. If you think he hates you, you'll act in ways that will make him hate you. If he still hates you after you've taken this advice, then it might be just be him. I could be wrong about all of this lol

Agree with that, and now that I see this, OP: I came very close to quitting that same job. The turning point was when my boss ripped me a new asshole on employee review day, and literally embarrassed me in front of other analysts within earshot of where I was (yes, he continued going in even after my review). This was about 3 weeks into my internship, so it was mid-early June. I had until the end of August to change his perception.

The following Monday, I was set on going to work to quit the internship. The metro wasn't working and I had to walk. I literally walked 3 hours in the blazing sun to get to work and quit. But I got to think so much about the job and what it would mean if I gave up. By the time I made it to work around 11AM, I only reached one conclusion: I'm better than the work I've been putting out and the only way to fail is to quit.

Luckily he wasn't there to see me walk in late, but I sure as hell got my act together. So take that into consideration: you are better than the sum of your parts and in this case, that means you're more than the work you put out and the things you don't do right. All you have to do is show that.

To add to the great advice that the two fellows above me gave you, don't ask him for things to do. Ask the other guys who acknowledge your effort when you complete something for them.

When you absolutely have to get something from him, instead of saying, I have no work to do, give me something to work on. Tell him " I am working on .... project for X. I will be done in 1 hour, so I was wondering if there is something that you would like me to assist you with, in the next two hours or when I am done with X's project. "

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First off, not to sound like a jerk, but welcome to the working world--and not everybody is going to like you. Most of us have experienced something like this.

If the boss doesn't like answering questions, belittles you a lot or isn't making himself clear, just collaborate with the rest of the team who doesn't mind doing those things. Don't take negative feedback personally. Double check your work and make sure it's good, and it should speak for itself.

Hope that helps.

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Thanks for the input. My overall goal is still to get an offer from my current firm.

When he critizes me, he states he is doing it for my own benefit so I dont mess up around anyone more senior than he is. He sort of acts like he's playing the "buddy" role. But when all I get from him is negativity, what else would he say about me when he's doing my summer review?

 
Strugglingintern12:
Thanks for the input. My overall goal is still to get an offer from my current firm.

When he critizes me, he states he is doing it for my own benefit so I dont mess up around anyone more senior than he is. He sort of acts like he's playing the "buddy" role. But when all I get from him is negativity, what else would he say about me when he's doing my summer review?

It might just be his management style. A lot of people think being a hard ass and acting like you describe is the best thing for YOU. They think it will make you into the best possible worker you can be. It sucks while it's going on and you often will not be able to appreciate how he's helping you until you're long past working with him. Just work your ass off and do your best. That's all you can do anyway. You might be very surprised to see that he writes you a glowing summer review, after all.

 

My manager at my previous firm was a woman who hated men in general. One day she asked my team if any of us had time to help out the other team. I said yes, because I figured I could skip lunch and get all my stuff done as quickly as possible so that I could help out.

The next day, she was screaming at me because I "wasn't busy enough and hadn't told her I needed more work"...

I wasn't even given the chance to explain myself, and had to suck it up and apologize.

That day I learned that some people will be haters, just make sure you don't give them a reason to attack you with their bullshit...

Like, fo reelz.

 

Interns need to get this no one has a serious vendetta or gives a shit if you live or die. Really no one has time for this stuff, unless you totally knock out of the park then everyone wants you to come back and be apart of the team. If you stink the world does not stop the work you doing is not exactly super hard or needed.

If you really think your boss hates and gives you negativity you need to get over yourself. You need focus on doing better work and take the criticism literal, you say he is trying to be a buddy but no all reality he is being straight with you. Focus on your work and effort and when it comes to review time let him deal with it, he will talk to your work not you personally.

Lastly, "Then when I do what he says, if it's right I only get a thanks. If its wrong it's him saying "I thought you understood this?" so many negative comments/feedback from him.". Give me a break kid, one of my bosses did not bother to say thanks 40% of the time, more like "wow you are not as dumb or slow as we thought". Anything above saying "thanks" for doing your job should not be expected.

If you really think you deserve glowing greatness vs thanks. Next time you do something right, ask for feedback and be like is there anything you could have improved, anything he expected more of.

 

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