Relationships while establishing yourself
Hello everyone,
I was curious to know how you feel about getting into a relationship or being with someone while trying to establish a career. What if that person does not have the same aspirations, but is a great individual? More importantly, if you really care about that person and she wants to get married, but that's not where you mentally at in your life. I would like to here some people thoughts about this matter.
perfectly fine. I assume since you're just getting launched he/she will not be dependent on you. just see how it goes for several months, be candid about what you do and your focus with it, and once you get to around 6 months, talk about the future if it hasn't come up. not marriage, but career futures, what that means, etc.
my girl has no desire to make the kind of money I want to make, but she's a hard worker and she is very good at what she does. I'm completely fine with it, and honestly I think it helps, she evens me out. I'm hyper-competitive (I want to win more than I want to have sex sometimes...sometimes), and I think if she was like that, our personalities would be too much for one house.
the key is, if she's lazy and unmotivated, you may have problems, if she just has different priorities, you could be fine. combinations like introvert/extrovert and liberal/conservative and yankees/red sox can work. what can't work in my mind is if she has a lack of respect and understanding for what you want to accomplish, same goes for you. if you don't respect her viewpoint, don't do it.
bottom line, it can work, but it takes work (like anything worthwhile in this world).
Great thread, SB + 1
To add onto the thread, what if the girl is a great match for you, but lacks self-discipline (not cheating, but she is not a hard worker). Can someone provide some insight on the cons of staying with a girl like that? Will SB for good response
I don't see a problem with someone having different aspirations. However, thebrofessor touched on an important point. There is a fine line between having different aspirations and being lazy/unmotivated. As long as this girl is passionate about what she does and works hard at it (and, hopefully at some point in time, finds success with it) then I don't see why not. Keep in mind, however, that at some point, the aspiring actress who is waiting tables one day and taking off for an audition another day is going to become a 30-something with a huge blank on their resume and almost zero marketable professional skills unless she actually starts finding success. How patient you are willing to be is ultimately up to you.
With regards to her wanting to get married and you not being ready yet, this is something that you need to sit down with her and have an honest conversation. If this girl is the right girl for you and truly loves you, she will be willing to respect your desire to wait it out. If not, it might be painful, but it could be a sign that it's time to move on.
I'm quoting this because it's so true, I run into it all too often (probably because I'm in the South). women have this innate desire to get married before 25 because it's what all of their friends are doing and its utter crap. it's one thing if you've been together for years and you're the same age/place in life, whatever. my grandparents have been married over 50 years and they got married at 22, it can work, but it doesn't always work. you should both want marriage because you want to be married, not because "it's time," or "you want to settle down," or "we're at the right age," it will FEEL right. if it doesn't feel right, you're not ready or she's not the one.
Preach it, SB
Well said. My girlfriend and I have discussed this in detail and I made it clear that I want to stay with her but I don't want to get married until were both ready for it, and in our case I am definitely not. She respects this and is fine with waiting it out. If you really think about it, if the girl can't even wait it out until marriage, how will the marriage itself ever last?
Do not abide by the "What's next? principle", we are having a good time together, whats next? Move in, now that we've moved in together what is next? Marriage, next? Kids, next? And so on and so forth.
Honestly, I could never be with someone without similar aspirations and goals. I knew the life I wanted to live and where I wanted to be. I think the other posters have made some excellent points.
To add to the @"thebrofessor"'s insight, without having a history together, having two people that are focused on their jobs would extremely tough. My fiance and I are there right now. I'm working 40 hours a week plus going to grad school, and playing sports. She works ~12 hours every day and is on her feet the whole time at her salon. On a good day, we are both awake for 2-3 hours to actually spend time together. On an average day, we eat dinner together and then go to sleep.
If we just started dating or recently started dating and then turned into this, it would never work out. We were together for 4 years prior to all of this and we both know each others ambitions and know that it will take a bit of sacrifice in our time together to get there.
priorities, ladies and gentlemen INB4 MS
I'd go nuts if I couldn't play hockey or soccer. Me playing sports is beneficial to the relationship because I'll stay a sane person.
To me, the girl I'm dating right now is a great person...
But it depends on what these aspirations are...
-The current one I'm dating wants kids before 30, I want them at 35. She wants MINIMUM 3, I want MAXIMUM 2. -She started her job 6 months ago, works 40 hour weeks, and wants to quit. I've worked much longer and I'm still full steam ahead. -She's very Christian and wanting to raise her kids that way. I... am not.. -She wants to move rural. I'm more urban.
So just by reading these 4 points OP, do you have similar extremes on your own aspirations? If so, I'd break up with her, which is what I'm planning to do with mine, in the next week or so. You care about her by leaving her so she can be herself and you can be yourself, there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm in a long distance relationship while working banking hours and I can attest that it can work but it's a lot tougher if you don't have a foundation. I've been with her for 2 years now and we've been best friends for 6. We're incredibly similar except in our careers and ambitions. She loves having a balance and works hard at things she's passionate about. I'm full steam ahead and extremely competitive. In that regard, we knew we'd be in different cities, prepared for it and we both understand and respect our priorities and goals. We know it'll be tough as hell for the next few years but it'll be worth it in the end. Just a matter of understanding, trust, respect and honesty.
This is going to be more personal than I thought I would ever be on WSO:
I'm in a relationship where my other half is dead set on making it big in HR (those chicks exist) at a bank. Our families are the complete opposite and her father hates me. I've been the victim of the 'what's next' situation and let her move in with me. However, I see her for max 3 hours a day when I'm not out dining clients, pitching our trading capabilities and how we find liquidity in these markets. She gives two shits about what I do and it doesn't interest her. Neither does her work interest me.
This is, in other words, a relationship I'm going to ditch and so should everyone of you.
All good stuff in this thread so far. I think it comes down to being realistic and doing your best to evaluate for long term goals. Obviously you can only think so far ahead in the future but in my opinion it is important to try and think about long term compatibility. Where does each person want to be in 5-10 years? Are you gunning for IBD--> PE--> B school --> PE and are willing to sacrifice nothing to achieve that? Or would you be more flexible in your career approach. What is he/she doing? Is your significant other willing/able to either live apart from you or move his/her life to be with you?
I think not having the exact same aspirations is probably a good thing. For example, bankers/consultants tend to be driven and rational types of people. So getting into a relationship at 22 wouldn't make sense to most considering how little free time both parties would have. Not to mention the potential threat of relocating/ traveling/ b school etc. With that being said it is still important to want somewhat similar things are to be similar in some aspects of your personality.
Many might disagree with this but I believe that getting into a relationship early will almost undoubtedly slow a career path. As I'm sure many can attest to, there is no way an early career banker/consultant can be doing a killer job at work and also be a wonderfully devoted husband/father/wife etc. Thats not saying that two people can't be happy if one or both is in a competitive field, but its stupid to think that you can be a family man if you're working 80 hours a week. However, if the significant other is really worth it, then you might not mind making some small sacrifices in terms of career to hold onto that person and in that case, they shouldn't even feel like sacrifices at all.
Yes, you can do both. To save you time, OP, I wrote the cliffnotes guide to life. Politics/Career=Sleaze your way to the top Dating/Flings/One-night stands=Sleaze your way in the opposite direction
Should you start a relationship? Sure, but can you actually make it work when you're working 80+ hours per week and you've just entered into that relationship? That's the more difficult part. Though I do find it interesting what doctors tend to do. This isn't based on a scientific poll by any means, but I've noticed that a lot of doctors that I know tend to get married to their college girlfriend/boyfriend pretty shortly after graduation. It's as if they've fully accepted that their life is going to blow for the next 10 years so they figure they might as well have someone to go through it with. Finance types must be more optimistic thinking we're going to be ballers at 22 banging models and being masters of the universe when in reality you sit in an office for 80 hours a week, get fat and out of shape and end up breaking every date you ever set up resulting in lots of time with Rosie Palm and her five sisters.
As far as compatibility with regard to drive and ambition, your first wife, and the mother of your children, should be motivated. She's got a lot of work to do. Your second trophy wife? Who the fuck cares? She's going to be 15+ years younger than you and smoking hot.
And don't get forced into marriage before you're ready. Most of the people that I know that have gotten divorced got married too early. And that's not the doctors: their SO's put up with such a crappy life in med school thenwith low pay during interning and residency that they're not letting that meal ticket walk away when they start making money.
aiming at second trophy wife is not a good motivation to have first)
Joke. I'm happily married to a woman I've know for over 20 years.
Personally, I've just had a bad experience with this.
I got into a long relationship, was living with a girl for over a year (together close to 1.6 years). She was motivated, fun, everything I was looking for in a girl. She was even climbing the professional ladder. The issue was, and is, and why we broke up, is because I'm a couple of years younger and just beginning my career. She was at the stage where she was content in her life and wanted stability - she said, If i was a mcdonalds manager and happy with that she would be happy. Obviously I'm not LOL! I'm at the stage where I still want to grow - I change my mind constantly on what I want and how I will get there.
Anyway, maybe my ex's personality wasnt compatible with mine - maybe it was.. Anyway, the only way it will work is if you both want the same things and are growing at the same rate/ pace that you both want to grow at. In my situation, she wanted stability and I couldn't offer that for at least a number of years. It just wasn't going to work..
Make sure you want the same things - ie. settling down at the same rate, happy with with pace with how eachother are growing.. or it will be a huge struggle!
Other then someone like that, I don't see it being easy at all to maintain a successful relationship while being 100% career driven at an early age.
In order to get someone like that you need to be able to bring something else to the table, and don't be confused, when you have someone focused on developing their partner like that, no amount of money can buy that kind of support, you must return it in kind. Returning it in kind is listening when she talks about how she wants to become a psychologist or what not, it may not be a interesting as whatever you're currently working on, but life is all about giving to receive.
FYI the team bit was stolen from another post here on WSO that I couldn't find but found absolutely valuable.
Or you could just #YOLO and go on a bunch of flings for a while, which is always nice but difficult when your time is limited.
I think being in a relationship is a huge distraction, especially if you live with the person. Getting somewhere takes a good amount of dedication and time (meaning, hours of the day). It's better to just be your own single person while trying to get ahead, so you don't have to dedicate time to anyone but yourself.
I am right now in the same phase as what this thread described. Fortunately, me and my gf realize that it's best for both of us to establish a career first and get married later, maybe in another 3-5 years. We both are proud of each other's achievements, so it would be good for each of us and good for our relationship too. (More money, better house, etc.)
In reality, it is not as simple as that though. Sometimes we have to deal with our vulnerability and dependence. And I am kind of sure that it won't get any simpler. But I think, as long as we could see what's at the end of the road, we will be fine. Just keep in mind that some things could be compromised and some couldn't be.
Good luck on your endeavor!
One important point in my opinion is that having someone around while you're working can act as a huge source of personal motivation that you otherwise wouldn't have.
Working your rear off for 10+ years to make MD all by yourself becomes a grind pretty quick I imagine.
As others have mentioned, the hours do play a big part. When I was starting out and the hours were tough I was seeing a legal recruiter, which I know doesn't carry similar hours to IB/PE whatever, but it wasn't a strictly 9 to 5 job as half of the "recruitment" process happens after work. I think a benefit of seeing someone who also does (relatively) long hours is the lack of time you spend together seems less apparent as it's more of a two way street. It also means there's less resentment and guilt from the other half which is something I'd imagine is present even with the most supportive of girlfriends.
"I'll probably be single for a while, huh?" (Originally Posted: 12/29/2013)
....Coming down to reality and it sucks.
I'm a woman, still in college and have my sights set on investment banking. It's evident that the nature of banking isn't well conducive to cultivating relationships, and I'm sure that speaks more to women than men. It seems as though dating women in banking is a turn-off given, the long, excruciating hours cutting into life, power dynamics (I assume most guys don't enjoy dating women who earn more or are far more successful than they are), and the prevailing stereotypes of women in banking.
I've never been in a relationship, although I've had a few opportunities to enter one. Just haven't met the one yet. I don't want to come off as conceited but I'm fairly attractive, intelligent, ambitious but a bit shy, an introvert, and have a great sense of humor. But I feel as though entering this industry is going to take a massive toll on my dating prospects; and I'm also thinking about relationships, marriage, and kids in the long run. Do most women in banking just not take these issues as a priority?
But what bothers me the most about being able to enter a relationship while in IB isn't being a woman, but being a minority. I'm black and I fear that most guys in banking aren't as open to interracial relationships. But maybe I'm wrong? It's not that I'm not open to dating within my own race, but I figured since this industry is predominantly populated with white/asian/indian males I'd end up with someone outside of my race, but who knows?
I guess my question for WSO is what's your take on relationships in IB, particularly with with women or those of diverse backgrounds like myself. Because I'm super interested in banking but not at the expense of my dating life.
thoughts? thank you
Are you reasonably attractive? If so, there's absolutely no reason in the world why you should submit yourself to working in IB.
Some people just like IB. OP, unless you want to marry your job you should consider AM or AAM. Also, the great thing about IB and WS in general is that you can retire when you are in your 40s.
My guess is dating will be very tough- I've heard that it's possible to maintain a relationship if you're in one when you head into IB, but tough to start one while working in banking. That being said, in my office there are far more guys than girls- if you're open to dating within your workplace, at least you may have a few choices?
Your choices will likely be either to get into a relationship before banking and try to maintain that throughout your stint in IB or getting with somebody at your bank. As for the longer term aspects (marriage, kids, etc.), I would imagine that doing a few years in banking and then moving on to something like corporate development would give you the flexibility to go down that route. As for the racial factor, given that finance is quite a multicultural, multiracial environment, I honestly don't see this as an issue. If you are fairly attractive, you will likely not have any problems.
LOL
I think you should be fine if you meet someone before you begin banking. Don't date in the workplace--it's just not normal and can end poorly. If you can make friends with your analyst class then you should you could get introduced to some of their friends. I would say that 2 years isn't a long time so if you don't find someone don't worry about it. Just enjoy the process and love will come.
Which bank do you work at?
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Having kids and a successful marriage can easily be compatible with a career in banking. I have plenty of friends who are successful at what they do, and in happy relationships. True, time might be an issue at first, probably your first 2 years as an analyst won't be easy to date and enjoy life as much; as soon as you become an associate you'll have more time as you will start to delegate some of your tasks. You might end up in DCM or ECM, this can also be a bit more relaxed than M&A financials at GS... You still will work hard, but some of your week ends will be yours. You will never have to quit because you have kids.
For your background it is true you will be potentially be a minority at your workplace, but who cares? That should never be an issue. Your biggest worry should be that you will be in NY or London! And the dating scene is quite intense there. I've shared flats with a lot of girls in London, and with all the time in the world, trust me, their dating life is as hard or harder than for the bankers :)
You earning more than somebody else should not be an issue. As long as your boyfriend is happily employed somewhere and is stable in his life and happy with himself, it should never be a factor.
Now if you are looking to find the one tomorrow, and can't wait a few years before marriage. You probably should look into something else than banking; otherwise, put your grunt years in. And reap the benefits of enjoying a fulfilling career. Most of my friends are from Associate to Directors in banking and they all have a good life now (some associate suffer still a little, but at the VP and Director level life is much better). I personally work in market, and hours are amazing, and that's still considered banking and I have time to have a very active social life after work.
Long story short: go for banking, I really hope you do, as more women should be in the workplace they tend to think better than men!
the rationalization hamster is strong with this one.
Basically, what Disjoint said.
I think people exaggerate how much working in IB ruins your social life and prospects for healthy relationships. A lot of analysts and associates I know (women included) are in happy/long-term relationships, if not married or engaged (the associates at least).
At least you're not an asian male..
But no, in all seriousness you will be okay. I have had similar thoughts in the past, and in the end you can't control your relationships/personal life but you can control your career life - so focus on that. Investment banking is honestly not as horrible as people like to make it seem (some nights are), and you do have time for a bit of a personal life. If you are truly concerned, try to get into a group that pledges to have slightly better work/life balance. One method of doing that is working in capital markets, but there are also tons of groups that really work to achieve a better lifestyle for junior bankers. With all the recent stuff coming out with the Saturday rule at GS and the 1 weekend rule at JPM, I'm sure it will catch on at all of the banks.
Also realize you will likely be one of maybe a few girls in your group, which is awesome because all the male analysts will have friends, roommates, brothers, etc. So many chances for you to meet someone.
Could you elaborate on that?
You realize a lot of guys would like their gf to be busy? It gives them less time to be naggers.
Disjoint is exactly right. The only thing I'll add is that secure guys shouldn't care about your career and salary, but you're probably going to have the best luck with other professionals. The guy working at the Gap may struggle with this.
The thing that seemed a little off to me is that you've never been in a relationship, but had a few opportunities. You admitted to being a little shy, but you really should date a little. It's tougher in college at times and it doesn't have to be super serious, but broaden your horizons a little. Even if the guy's not perfect go out to dinner and try to have some fun.
As for race - it shouldn't matter at all. I'm not going to pretend to be aware of challenges that minorities do face, but no one should care. If a guy did care he's obviously not good/secure enough for you anyways v
Just go do some creative stuff for a while and marry into money. Don't be a dummy, marry into money!
Wait, why did OP put her title in quotes?
Who are you quoting, OP?
Haha, idk. Just realized I did that. The thought of marrying into money doesn't appeal to me that much. I want my achievements to be self-made.
if you claim to have a great sense of humor you probably don't have one
Just go out and have some drinks and meet people. Stop waiting around for "the right one" and date someone. Guys also really don't care to much about what you do for a living. I was in Phebes like 3 years ago and some girl came up to me and dropped the 'ol "I am a banker at Raymond James". Total turn on LMAO.
Just be cool and talk with guys about non-work things.
Agreed, too many guys and girls are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to dating. They won't get out of their own way.
Having a girlfriend that's busy and eager to develop herself, be it banking or something else, is something any rational man would be happy with. At least that's how I see it.
When it does come down to marriage and kids it won't be that hard to come up with a solution, so I wouldn't put them in the equation.
so many lols to be had in this thread.
After reading OP's user name all I can keep thinking of is this:
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Excellent. +1.
If a relationship matters to you then learn to cook.
Instead going home at 11pm go to the bar and meet someone. Its really not that hard and its not rocket science.
Great sense of humor eh? prove it!
so basically you're what every girl thinks of themselves
Most girls I know are far more attractive than their self-assessment would lead you to believe, mainly because they are the harshest critics of their own image.
You haven't entered a relationship because you haven't met the "one" yet? You do realize what relationships are for, right?
It's two years. You can live that long without being in a relationship. If you're talking career banker....yeah, I'm guessing the majority either have divorces or have made heavy concessions to keep their relationships intact.
So, you'll be 25ish and have a bunch of money in the bank when you finish your banking stint....dating should be easy then. If you're worried about the power dynamic, don't. There's plenty of guys willing to date someone with more money than them.......just don't pull the controlling ice queen tyrant bitch act. No one likes that in any circumstance.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet about relationships and Wall Street stereotypes
I disagree with this statement. I know tons of Asian/Indian people who almost exclusively date white people.
OP, the problem you have has nothing to do with IB. It doesn't matter if you're pursuing a doctorate or if you dropped out to work at a gas station, relationships aren't easy (but in order to find the one you'll likely need to be in a bunch of them).
You seem to be really hung up on stereotypes, but the truth is that far fewer people fit into stereotypes than you think. For example, it might matter to some guys that you make a lot more than them, but it won't matter to all guys. Most guys like a smart, ambitious woman. These women make great partners intellectually and also great mothers. If you really are planning on kids and a family, work hard now, both at work and at dating so you can find the kind of person who has the same goals as you.
Also, banking is 2 to 3 years at most and then if you're good, you can jump to something much more enjoyable and manageable where you'll really have time to continue dating. And since you're still in school, I assume you're still young (between 20 - 22?) which means that at post IB you'll be 24 or 25, and in a great place.
I'm married, and somewhat biased towards the rewarding life of a family, but work is equally important at this stage of my life and I can assure you that it is possible to have your cake and eat it too; it requires hard work, but it is possible.
bic sounds butt hurt. We finally get a chick on here and you get all nasty. Dude......chill.
Well that escalated quickly
Drop me a pm. We can have a long distance relationship if you are interested ;)
Way to threadjack. bic, are you a self hating Indian? How about start a post about segmented populations
I'm basically trolling at this point
Not to sound like douchbag but I dated a girl who worked in Big 4, her hours were terrible and she was always worried about work. Shit was a disaster. The worst part was that she was a really cool girl but her work was the most important thing to her so it ended.
I think you're spot on when you say that it's tougher for girls than guys. I say that you focus on work whole-heartedly initially and then see if you can squeeze in dating as you get more comfortable with the job. Finance is geared towards money-hungry males because a lot of the naive ones think that the money will get them the pretty girls. For girls, I'm really not sure what the motive is. Most girls want marriage, family and kids....none of which fit into the banking lifestyle. At the end of the day, if making it into banking is your goal then you should pursue it without a doubt....ambition is a very attractive trait in a girl (at least for me).
Assuming this post is real and not a stir of stereotypical comments, I see no reason you should have these fears. However, considering you are still in college and probably less experienced than the average monkey, here is my take. Life is not perfect and there are few people who have it all their way: great career, great relationships, great family...etc, there is always work to do and don't be afraid of challenges, For "where there is a will, there is a way." If you are who you say you are, and if you are strong and smart enough to break into IB, you should use the same skills to find, keep and make relationships work--- intra-racial or inter-racial. Also, there are plenty of opportunities to meet people in the industry who may not necessarily be IBers. Join Inroads, SEO, NABA or other networking groups and you might meet some guys your age to have fun and explore and grow your careers together. But if you meet and fall for a W/A/or Indian guy and they don't like you for who you are, don't take it any personally and just move on. People have preferences and they can't be blamed for that. That is life. Good news is if you work in IB, you are likely to be around people who certainly have better than average understanding of differences and will more likely than not treat you with respect and dignity. On the last note, if you are afraid of IB toll on your life, and if you are attractive, go out and find an NBA/NFL player with a big contract and help him manage the money with your WS skills...
Good luck
Ever thought that maybe Asian/Indian people are just the same as any other race: some prefer to date exclusively within their race, some prefer exclusively outside, and some don't give a damn? And most people, especially smart individuals who live in modern-day America, really don't give a damn.
OP. Set aside that you're going into banking, you're black, you're female, and you'll be making a good amount of money.
The slightly alarming thing is that you've never been in a relationship and you've had the chance. I suspect it's a combination of your shy, you have standards, you don't want to have sex with lots of guys (perhaps you haven't even had sex yet), etc. If you're in your last year of school, date and even try a relationship or two. Doesn't have to be super serious and don't do anything in the relationship you don't want to. Why???
Well because a 2 year stint in banking without any relationship (at worst) is no big deal IF you know what you want in man, know what you don't want, and simply have had experience (dating, relationship, sex, etc). Otherwise, when you're 25 you'll feel like you not only need to start finding who you want, but you also want to simply experience carefree dating in itself without feeling the pressure to settle down.
But to answer your fears, it's stupid to say you don't want to do banking at the expense of dating. It's two years. As much as you think it's interesting, the VAST MAJORITY leave within 2 years to the client side or funds. Don't sacrifice your future, career, and finances for this hypothetical guy you think you'll meet if you're not in banking.
Dating wise, I think you could do worse than entering a profession where you will be sorrounded by reasonably intelligent, ambitious people of the opposite sex.
The race thing will certainly matter (you probably understand how this works better than the 'color blind' but probably not black posters above), but it will be no worse in banking than anywhere else in America so it shouldn't be a consideration.
I mean, do whatever makes you happy.
But keep in mind that the vast majority of women have been happy staying at home, raising kids, being a loyal partner to their husband. In any relationship, one person is going to have to take a backseat to the "life mission"/career of the other. Traditionally, women have been happier in that role than men have. Maybe that isn't the case for you, and if so, that's fine.
Also, I have to say that I think its hilarious that you are "hot, attractive, funny, a great person, etc." but that you have never been in a relationship before. Maybe that is true. But in my experience, those girls get snatched up pretty quickly - whether or not they intended to get in a relationship, they find themselves in one.
Honestly, work on your cooking skills.
ahahaha for real. i would wife up anyone who would cook for me and is cool
I am Asian, 26 years old, 5'8 and single. It just hard to find a nice guy in nyc area at all!
Troll bump ...
Relationships Not Worth it For the ambitious Young 20-something professional? (Originally Posted: 05/19/2011)
I'm starting to wonder if most of my buddies were right - that they thought we should all wait till grad school to consider real long lasting relationships because right now we're too busy and ambitious.
I just had a huge fight with my GF...among a series of many intense fights this week. And they were all regarding my thinking she wasn't paying enough attention to me, and her thinking i wasn't paying enough attention to her. we've both gotten extremely busy thats why. just a week ago we were still holding hands and talking to each other like it was a fucking fairy tale. we might just call it quits.
i'm starting to think if our ambitious and goals are getting in the way of a romantic mindset.
what do you guys think? what are the rest of you doing, post-graduation?
in before 1000 posts about you dumping her and fucking other girls.
Yeah man, the same thing happens between me and my GF Ecstasy, she works at the Gentlemen's Cabaret downtown. We're both so busy like you two, so I'll drop by to see her at work sometimes. She'll be dancing all on me, and I'll bring up something like "hey babe, let's get out of here" and she always says something bitchy like "that's gonna cost you extra" or "I stopped doing private sessions outside of work" then we get into a huge fight or what ev. Relationships are a pain.
Yea I also got into a fight with a maid in NY so i fled to the airport
Lather, Rinse, Repeat......NEEXXXTTTT!
When in doubt, cheat.
Depends on how much attention your girl needs. Ambitious young professionals like us need to be with independent and independently ambitious partners. Only way it can work IMHO.
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