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It's a bit of a douche thing to do if you have no intention of proceeding with the application process past an offer stage. There are other candidates who's spaces you are taking up.
imo, I think this type of argument is flawed. These banks have a certain number of slots that they are trying to fill and if they feel that they need to interview more people, they will, regardless of what OP does.
 
MFFL:
I know of a bank that, if they find out you are still interviewing after you accepted their offer, will rescind their offer AND call the other bank and tell them you had already accepted an offer.

Damn lol had no idea a bank would go out of its way to do this

regardless, i would be scared shitless to interview after i accepted my offer for this reason above, another reason being finance is very small and many people know people in other firms and can check if you've signed/reneged and looks bad to your name

and for my own conscious, its pretty inconsiderate knowing that other aspiring monkeys would kill for that interview when you already have an offer. think of others before you do this. and if you already got an offer, congrats

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...but I have heard of some PE funds not informing you of finding out that you have accepted another offer, inviting you to an in-office interview and inviting HR from the bank where you accepted and bringing in all the fund partners to watch as the HR women cane you. They then sodomize you with your offer letter.

You'll be fine.

 

That was hilarious. I interviewed at a ton of places...granted I didn't accept an offer, but the bank that I worked out as a SA was surprised when they found out that I wouldn't be accepting. Places don't contact where you summered. If you had an offer and didn't accept that would make you look bad to the place that you summered at, and no firm would do that to you intentionally.

 

There are only two exceptions to firms not contacting your summer internship firm:

1) Someone on the recruiting staff knows someone at the firm as a friend and checks up on you

2) Occasionally, references are asked for, and they sometimes do follow-up on that. This is extremely rare though, and I only know of it happening for certain PE/HF jobs. Most of the time when they ask for references, they only follow up before you start employment and just make sure you actually worked there.

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Camondo:
You should not try... As usual, that's when you get a FT offer that you get even more interesting offers. Be happy with what you have and stick to it rather than trying to have one's finger in one more pie.

While your quaint reference to sticking appendages in pies was amusing, I'm not sure why you would take, for example, UBS banking over Blackstone PE. Not that BX PE would hire from UBS, but just sayin'

 

You are misrepresenting yourself. If you get asked if you got an offer (and they DO ask) and whether you're going to take it, what are you going to say?

 
Bishop:
You are misrepresenting yourself. If you get asked if you got an offer (and they DO ask) and whether you're going to take it, what are you going to say?

You say that you enjoyed your experience and would definitely be willing to go back, but would rather explore other opportunities that are more in line with your aspirations and goals. What was so hard about that?

 
needtoaskaquestion:

Any other comments? I understand it's risky, but I feel that if better banks are calling, then I should be trying to do the best thing for me.

You're gambling your entire career here. If you get caught, you will lose your offer and probably get your resume forwarded to other banks. There really is not upside to this. Take your offer, work there six months, and then reevaluate your position. If you want to lateral, it will be relatively easy (compared to FT recruiting).

 

NYC/SF pay goes very far in Charlotte...

I've also seen ppl makes the jump from "that semi-BB" to GS/JPM/LAZ/MO Co after their first year. Don't sweat it.

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
 

I'm curious how this process would work. Grind it out first year at Wells Fargo and skip PE recruiting, lateral to one of the above as a 2nd year analyst, then begin PE recruiting from there?

Would it be an easy sell to HHs that I wanted to lateral before reaching out or would they want to know why I hadn't interviewed yet? Also, would I be best positioned to stay a 3rd year so I could recruit against 1st years?

Appreciate all the responses.

 
mike-falafel:
I booked the interview before accepting the other offer...

buddy its not that hard to call the firms the day before or hours before saying you took an offer and wanted to notify them so to not take up any more of their time and give other candidates a fair chance. classess act my friend, classess....if you made a commitment take it, only thing thats really HARD to change about you as a package (Ex- resume, grades, work experience) is really your REPUTATION. dont be the douchebag that does this even if you 'really really really really have interest in the other SA position'.

but anyways, congrats on getting a SA position this early in a tough market

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Can't say I'd recommend this. Further, I would go as far as to say that unless you absolutely hated your group, why bother with FT recruiting? FT this year is going to be so very tight. At least at my school, none of the other banks I would have even considered working at have posted FT listings yet, assuming they will.

Full disclosure: I've accepted an offer from my summer.

 

I would recommend against lieing. If you get away with it, fine, if you don't, you have seriously messed up your reputation and will probably have offers revoked, if made. Full disclosure is fine - some banks will probably pass on you, depending on where you've accepted the offer, but others will not and will view your receiving an offer as a testament to your ability. For those who choose to pass on your because you've told them that you've received an offer, they would probably be among the banks who give a call to check your story with your previous employers and will then find out that you've received an offer anyway - so if you lied, you're now in some trouble.

If asked by the interviewing firm why you've accepted the offer, just be honest - you wanted to look into other interesting opportunities, but you were forced to make a decision ahead of FT recruiting. Since you liked the firm you interned with you decided to accept it - if another opportunity comes along that you feel would provide a better fit, you will immediately call your SA firm and let them know - afterall, you're not out to dupe anyone - just want to make the right decision. Regarding immediately pulling out of the SA FT commitment, I would offer to contact them immediately upon making the decision to pursue an opportunity - don't wait for them to suggest a time for you to do it - let them know you've thought about the scenario and are serious about the decision - you're not playing games.

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This is a REALLY dangerous game to play, and has a very high probability of blowing up in your face. If you were engaged to be married, how would you feel if your fiance was out dating to see if she could drum up a better partner? Here are some specific things to think about

  1. If you've accepted a FT offer, most firms would not want to interview you and will be pissed if they've given you an interview slot instead of some other very qualified candidate who hasn't accepted an offer. I think there's an decent chance that someone would view this as a bad reflection on your character and drop a call into the recruiting folks or their friends at the firm you're committed too. That could lead to burned bridges or a withdrawal of the offer. Neither of which you want.

  2. Your school could also have a policy against this with repercussions. Employers get very mad at schools when students do this, and schools get bad reputations among employers when students do this.

I'd advise against it, but here are some perspectives on what to do if you interview and get an offer and need to renege: Career Dilemma: To Renege, or Not To Renege on a Job Offer - http://www.gottamentor.com/ViewGeneralAdvice.aspx?g=74

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I understand it may look bad if you accept an offer an then go out and look for interviews, but would your position change with the following situation:

My school does not protect offers very well and as a result has been strong-armed into accepting an offer timeline that seems ridiculous compared to the mean.

I get my offer at the end of the internship. I immediately talk to contacts and line up interviews BEFORE my expiration date. The groups I interview with cannot finish their accelerated process before my expiration date, and so I accept my offer and continue recruiting with those groups with them fully aware of my offer status.

 

I understand it may look bad if you accept an offer an then go out and look for interviews, but would your position change with the following situation:

My school does not protect offers very well and as a result has been strong-armed into accepting an offer timeline that seems ridiculous compared to the mean.

I get my offer at the end of the internship. I immediately talk to contacts and line up interviews BEFORE my expiration date. The groups I interview with cannot finish their accelerated process before my expiration date, and so I accept my offer and continue recruiting with those groups with them fully aware of my offer status.

 

Meh, I accepted an offer and reneged upon getting a better offer at a better shop and didn't feel bad about it. When the company was acquired for pennies on the dollar at the end of last year it reinforced that I made the right decision (even though the possibility of the firm blowing up wasn't exactly part of my decision making process).

At the time I was worried about being blacklisted at the company, but you have to look out for number one and companies that do their recruiting early with the intent of locking up good candidates before they can interview with other companies have this thing coming to a certain degree on occasion.

That being said, I wouldn't directly lie about your situation, but it's not a bad thing if the interviewers know that you've been given an offer; it makes them know you're a strong candidate.

 

Why would you want to recruit at other banks when you already have an offer that you accepted?

This isn't for a FT position, as i understand it based on above. Another bank is going to be the same sh*t just a different toilet.

 

Why would you want to recruit at other banks when you already have an offer that you accepted?

This isn't for a FT position, as i understand it based on above. Another bank is going to be the same sh*t just a different toilet.

 

Have you accepted the offer already? I assume you haven't, since the school probably wouldn't allow you to do OCR if you had already accepted an offer If not, there's nothing wrong with interviewing.

To avoid running into anyone, certainly reach out about rescheduling the interview. If that doesn't work, talk to someone you know and trust in the career center. There may be a way to shuffle things around to minimize the chances of an uncomfortable situation. Maybe there's an entrance that's typically employees only?

 
mike-falafel:
It's tomorrow though, is it too late? didnt want to cancel a booking - shows lack of commitment, i thought

Why do you care if they think you are committed? You aren't going to work there, and you accepted another offer. I would say unless you genuinely want to interview there send them an email, apologize for the late notice, and tell them you accepted an offer at another firm. They likely won't be mad, and I'm sure other people have done the same.

 
Davidoff:
How about you accepted an offer from, say RBS/BMO, and then you got GS superday?

This is a different situation. OP is suggesting he has no interest in the position but is merely going to be polite- which it isn't.

If you have an offer from RBS accepted and get a GS super day (which doesn't exist since the 1st rounds are combined with super day but nonetheless) then you would have to consider reneging on an offer- pretty frowned upon and could potentially get you in trouble, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

 
Black Jack:
Davidoff:
How about you accepted an offer from, say RBS/BMO, and then you got GS superday?

This is a different situation. OP is suggesting he has no interest in the position but is merely going to be polite- which it isn't.

No, you have it all wrong. I have lots of interest in this position, its just that Ive accepted another. Still interested in working in that position in the future, perhaps FT (the offer ive accpted is for SA). thats why i still wanted to go

 
bulge4lyf:
If you got the offer from a BB what's the point of interviewing? I think it's stupid when people go back on someone like CS so they can go to GS.....

The BB's in HK and I'm considering staying in NY. A lot of the people I worked with in the summer started out in NY so it's actually quite easy for my interviewers to reach out to them if they really want to...

 

I agree with bulge. You're taking the risk of really pissing some people off....and for what? All the BB HR people on Wall Street probably know each other and talk. Not to mention all of the other people you know at these banks. The finance community is smaller than you think.

Thank the banks you are interviewing with for the invite and take the HK offer. Sit back, relax and enjoy your senior year. College women will be slipping around in puddles of their own wetness when you tell them you're going to HK.

Besides, you'll have better exit opps with the international experience...

 

of course do what you want. its financial companies not dictatorship governments. most people wouldn't want to interview again as few find it to be enjoyable, but go ahead if you want to. (Realize though that you're going to have to accept or decline sometime and getting more offers doesnt decrease the probability that the one you accept will go down after youve accepted it and declined others)

 

That said, as long as you proceed with caution, chances are you will not get caught. So bottom-line: be careful if you decide to do it.


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opt8:
Is anyone doing this? I received an offer from GS/MS, but submitted my resume out of fear last week...should I sign up for the interviews?
of course, with gs and ms possibly going the way of bsc, it would be stupid not to.
 

If you've already signed an offer I think it's pretty bad form to still interview at other places.

A couple of years ago, there was a guy from my school that got caught interviewing after he signed an offer. His interviewers at the two different firms happened to be good friends and somehow realized what he was doing. His offer was rescinded, and they told all of their colleagues at other firms not to hire him because he lacked integrity. It wasn't pretty.

Of course, as long as they don't find out you'll probably be okay...but be careful. It's a very small world.

 

Dont do it. Its just an SA stint. Keep your clean-slate reputation for when need to do FT recruiting. Chances are after you do your SA, you will have a better understanding of what groups you want/dont want to be in.

It sounds like you already have a decent offer in hand. Unless its the almighty GS TMT (or whatever people are crazy about nowadays), I would just walk away.

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You will be surprised about the amount of talking that goes on between the banks.

There is good chance that this can come back to bite you.

Even if you succeed at getting an offer -- accepting another offer would mean reneging on the one you already accepted -- that gets you black balled.

Just call it a day and cancel the other ones.

 

It is a FT offer, not SA. Also, the opportunity is not between banks. The offer I have accepted is BB IB and the new opportunities are consulting...does that change anything?

 
bd78:
It is a FT offer, not SA. Also, the opportunity is not between banks. The offer I have accepted is BB IB and the new opportunities are consulting...does that change anything?
Changes everything. The question now is what do YOU want to do? Banking or Consulting? Seems silly to stick with a BB offer solely because you've already signed if consulting is where your heart lies and you have an opportunity there.
 

In terms of what happens, if you accept something else, they'll probably tell your career services. That said, if you didn't do an SA at this bank, then it won't show up on your resume, so no one would contact them in terms of limiting you for B-school/exit opps outside of banking. That doesn't mean that this won't come back to bite you, but if you don't see yourself in banking ever, then it might not be as big of an issue.

PM me...I read some of your other posts, and I can relate.

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Last time I checked it never hurt to have additional options. He's under NO obligation to tell MS if he's under contract or not especially if they're simply interviewing him. It's not like they've extended him an offer he's just going to kick the tires, roll the dice and see what happens.

Push comes to shove if he does advance to later rounds and likes what MS is offering he can raise the issue at that point if he feels compelled to do so. Why rock the boat?

 

I was in a similar situation...

I would be very honest about the situation... after you've signed, respect business ethics and give the people who haven't gotten chances to excel in their lives to shine. I would tell your friend to not be a douchebag and reject first round so MS can call some other guy for a chance at the big time.

I called off 4 superdays after i got the job I wanted. I suggest your friend does the same.

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Khara 3alekon:
I was in a similar situation...

I would be very honest about the situation... after you've signed, respect business ethics and give the people who haven't gotten chances to excel in their lives to shine. I would tell your friend to not be a douchebag and reject first round so MS can call some other guy for a chance at the big time.

I called off 4 superdays after i got the job I wanted. I suggest your friend does the same.

+1

Similiar position and I did the same thing

 
Khara 3alekon:
I was in a similar situation...

I would be very honest about the situation... after you've signed, respect business ethics and give the people who haven't gotten chances to excel in their lives to shine. I would tell your friend to not be a douchebag and reject first round so MS can call some other guy for a chance at the big time.

I called off 4 superdays after i got the job I wanted. I suggest your friend does the same.

i had the same situation.. and this would hold water if the offer was with a top 3 (GS/MS/JPM) vs interviews at top 10s (DB/CS/UBS/BARX)

but situation here is the other way around.. if his/her "friend" has an opportunity to trade up its fair game.. altho i think my ranking given above is very suspect in europe..

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Probably should note all these banks talk to each other and if one finds out you're sleeping with the other behind its back...well you can probably forget about a career with either of the banks.

People tend to think life is a race with other people. They don't realize that every moment they spend sprinting towards the finish line is a moment they lose permanently, and a moment closer to their death.
 

Interesting, I'm sure all these bulge banks are extremely honest and ethical when it comes to picking their analysts. Have you ever gotten a call from MS saying "Hey Darren, sorry we reaaaaaaaaaallly like Cheryl but we're just not sure right now?" They are obviously going to take the best analysts they have, and while they have the power to delay an offer (which is their way of playing the field), you do not. So F them, find the best bank for you and take that one.

 

I got a phone interview request from a top 3 (GS, MS, JPM) after signing an offer from another one of the top 3. I had the benefit of asking a friend who was a senior MD at a top 3 what he would do and he suggested the following:

Do be gracious about getting to opportunity to interview. Let them know that you have an offer that you've already signed. Let them know you'd be happy to talk to them about future opps.

In my case, the firm went ahead and scheduled the interview. Your friend should not renege though, but shouldn't close the door to anything down the road.

 

Say yes to the opportunity first, figure all else later.

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Congrats on the early offer! You must be talking about GCM at 1585. You are thinking in the right direction; that's all I would say.

"I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature."
 

Careful with reneging if you think you may want to use OCR the following year - the bank may contact your school and you may be banned from using OCR. If that won't be a concern for you then go ahead and renege if you want to. However, keep in mind that if you do well during your internship you will be able to get interviews elsewhere

 

There's also a lot of internal mobility possible for top performers.

"I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature."
 
notthehospitalER:

Careful with reneging if you think you may want to use OCR the following year - the bank may contact your school and you may be banned from using OCR. If that won't be a concern for you then go ahead and renege if you want to. However, keep in mind that if you do well during your internship you will be able to get interviews elsewhere

Ambani:

There's also a lot of internal mobility possible for top performers.

Thanks both. Think I'm going to stick with what I've got.

 

who the hell sends out 2015 SA offers now? Isn't this way too early? Or are we talking US here?

I'm preparing my motivation letters for 2015 SA in London and now I'm worried I'm already late!

 

I found myself in the same situation this year. I ended up interviewing for a firm I really wanted to work for, made it to the final round, didn't get it, and then after I'd accepted a job elsewhere was offered an interview in another division. I would have had to renege on the offer I accepted if I got the other job, and I couldn't really think of any way of doing that that wouldn't ruin a lot of relationships I'd built up. I ended up politely declining the interview.

I really think it depends on the situation though.

 

Hey!

Guru, I was in the same situation 2 weeks ago. Gave verbal agreement to another BB, and was invited to final rounds by Goldman next day. Went with non GS, cos I really liked their culture and the team.

Moreover, Rothschild/Lazard are soooo strong in London, and I don't think it would make a difference for B-School applications.

Anyway, congrats with your offer.

- MVP
 

I would try my luck and interview with MBB, it is a very thorough process. Get the MBB offer first and then take some time to decide by comparing advantages/disadvantages, take into account your interest and where you wanna be in 5-10 years down the road.

Bottom line, get the MBB offer first because it's not easy to do you are still at the first round.

 

Haha, I would love to be in your position - trying to move into PE from where I am, and it's tough because I'm from a less-traditional background (though still occasionally get interviews). If you don't take those interviews, maybe you can tell me which firms via PM. : D

Anyway... tough call, being frank with the HR is the 'right' thing to do - but there's a good chance that if you tell them you already accepted an offer and you don't plan on reneging, they'll just say 'thanks, moving on'

If you happen to take the interviews and rock them and get the offer(s), but don't take it - you would have to come up with a good reason for why you went through their time and yours not to take the offer. I would imagine the question 'do you have other offers and have you taken it' may come up during the process. Depending on how well you manage this, you could risk burning bridges here too.

If mid mkt. PE is where you want to be and you get the offer, I don't think reneging on your MM IB is a big deal. If and only if the school has very close ties with both firms, and they take reneging seriously (re: doing it would result in loss of both offers)

 

I feel like if you go to the interview with them thinking its a formal interview for a job, you have a good chance of pissing a lot of people off - everyone from the people who took the time out of their days to potentially having your current IB finding out about the interview (which would not go over well, I am sure).

I would forget the interviews or ask for an informative interview with someone in the firm; making sure they know you have an offer and are just looking to network / learn more.

 
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Homie what??? When you accept an offer, you stop recruiting. Period. It's already bad enough when people rescind within a week or so after accepting and offer bc last minute someone extended one when they weren't expecting it... if you straight up continue to recruit after accepting an offer people are going to find out and think you're a total asswhipe... wtf are you doing?

 

Once you accept an offer your time should be filled with (1) studying for the new position and (2) getting squared away with the new company (i.e. onboarding documents, drug testing, fingerprints, etc, etc).

Besides, it's really bad etiquette to do this. As Don Draper would say, "you have to dance with the one that brung ya . . . " Once you accept an offer, you stop looking.

 

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