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by castor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 4 Banana Points Points) on 5/24/06 at 10:18am

Hi Everyone,
This might be of the track but does anyone know about the Investment Banking scenario in India?

Its a great emerging market and I have heard a lot about the live style of I bankers there does anyone have any idea?

Any inputs will be appreciated

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I-Banking in India

by chiragi_k User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 10 Banana Points Points) on 6/5/06 at 3:16am

I had the fortune of doing my internship in an I-Bank in India. Inspite of having an option of working in UK, i decide to experiment the Indian Market. Well from my experience, it is a totally different style of working. Firstly being the nascent stage most groups and not fully developed. Even in the bulge barket firms in India, most analyst/associates work in all areas and all sectors and the VPs have approximately 2-3 groups under their review.

Obviously being an emerging market the margims for these firms are higher than other markets.

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Major players

by skotwani User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 3 Banana Points Points) on 6/13/06 at 11:09am

What are some major players for I-Banking in India?

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major players

by Monkey444 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 14 Banana Points Points) on 6/16/06 at 2:46am

Kotak is amongst the biggest...

Then I guess JM Morgan Stanley is a close second...and merill comes a close third...

others are really not worth mentioning

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I speak Tamil and am

by pro.gatsby User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 14 Banana Points Points) on 6/20/06 at 1:24am

I speak Tamil and am learning Hindi very quickly...will these help in India, or is everything conducted in English? How are the salaries in India? How fast are markets emerging? How quickly does one get promoted? How can I get my foot in the door to start working in India?

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u r kidding

by Monkey444 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 14 Banana Points Points) on 6/20/06 at 2:49am

dude....we were a english colony....in india we conduct our business in english....i can say so for sure abt ibanking at least...

salaries in india's investment banking arena are very good and can earn you a good living conditions.

you need to be qualified to work in india

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how good is very good? compared to US?

by ghosht User's RSS Feed Certified User (Orangutan, 352 Banana Points Points) on 11/19/06 at 4:50am

cause if its anywhere near the US pay, you can have your freaking castle.

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IB Compensation in India

by IB2007 User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 11/22/06 at 3:06am

I understand that a lot of banks recruit MBA grads for IB placements abroad nowdays. Are there a lot of IB Associate opportunities in India? Also, what's the compensation for a first year IB Associate in India?

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bump. Any comments?

by IB2007 User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 11/28/06 at 2:46pm

Any idea about IB First year Associate compensation in India?

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Howz Kotak summer internship

by puneet.gandhi User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 1 Banana Points Points) on 2/11/07 at 7:21am

I will be joining Kotak Investment Bank,Mumbai for my summer internship. Any inputs regarding what to expect, what kind of work will I get to do, any pointers regarding Dos and Don'ts will be highly appreciated.
Looking forward to enthusiastic response at this forum
Cheers!
Puneet Gandhi

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Indian Investment Banks

by netking007 User's RSS Feed (Baboon, 101 Banana Points Points) on 2/13/07 at 3:00am

I think when it comes to Investment Banking in India, things are really picking up...with recent global deals such as

Vodaphone acquiring the Telecom assets of Hutchison Telecom in India
KKR acquiring the software unit of Flextronics
Tata Steel acquiring UK based Corus
Hindalco acquiring US based Novelis
Oracle acquiring a controlling stake in I-Flex
Mylan acquiring Matrix Labs
EDS acquires controlling stake in BFL Mphasis
Swiss cement company Holcim acquires ACC
Suzlon acquires Belgium's Hansen Transmissions and Germany's RE power Systems
Dr. Reddy's Laboratories acquires Germany's Betapharm

Big IPOs over the last couple of years - WNS (US Listing), Idea Cellular, TCS, DLF(coming up in the next few weeks), EXL Services, Mindtree Consulting (in the coming week), Jet Airways, Deccan Airways, Cairn Energy India, Reliance Petroleum, Infosys - Equity Follow On,ICICI One Source, Biocon and many more

Plus a number of private equity firms - Bain Capital, Blackstone, Carlyle, Apax Partners, Texas Pacific group, Warburg Pincus...have stimulated deals.

The Indian government has recently announced that it would kick-start the privatization process, taking three power sector companies public.

I think the following banks dominate the league tables (Equity and M&A combined)

1. DSP Merrill Lynch
2. JM Morgan Stanley
3. ABN Amro Rothschild (JV between ABN Amro & Rothschild)
4. Kotak Mahindra
5. Citigroup
6. ICICI
7. UBS
8. HSBS Securities
9. Deutsche Bank

Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Credit Suisse are building operations.

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Compensation?

by IB2007 User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 2/13/07 at 4:19pm

Does anybody know Salary/Bonus numbers for Associates and VPs in India?

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Compensation

by eyebanker User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 1 Banana Points Points) on 11/3/07 at 5:52am

Regarding compensation structures...
Kotak -Base 11.5 lakhs + 4 lakhs assured bonus ...average bonus goes from 100-150% of base salary

JPMC, Merrill - 18-20 lakhs base
Credit Suisse - 23 lakhs

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^^^^

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/20/07 at 10:50pm

the compensation is in regard to which position? and how are the hours/lifestyle? how difficult is it to get placed in india for an associate/vp position? thanks alot.

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thats good money in

by yinyanyon User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 1:35am

thats good money in india...23lakhs base...and then another 20lakhs in bonus is nearly $100K, which is a lot considering its india.....ofcourse im assuming these salaries are for analysts...

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ofcourse 40-50 lakhs in

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 11:01am

ofcourse 40-50 lakhs in india is amazing even if its for either an analyst or associate position. However, with the real estate prices increasing and everyday luxuries becoming increasingly expensive, its harder to live a grand lifestyle with 40-50 lakhs in india. This is especially true in mumbai/delhi where real estate prices are comparative to new york. But i actually want to be living with a 50 lakhs+ compensation in india in my late twenties.

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actually if im not

by yinyanyon User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 3:14pm

actually if im not wrong...hyderabad is paying in that range...50lakhs+comp....its an amazing deal...a lot of the ibanking firms are setting up headquarters in hyderabad now....and the cost of living there isnt that high either....much lesser than mumbai and delhi...

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When you guys are saying

by qwerty123 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 8 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 6:45pm

When you guys are saying figures over 40 lakhs, are you talking about analyst positions??
My god that is a shitload of money. My cousin (21 years old) works for oracle, and they pay him 10 lakhs, and he is considered to be really well of. But 40-50 lakhs is in a whole new level!

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When you guys are saying

by qwerty123 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 8 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 6:45pm

When you guys are saying figures over 40 lakhs, are you talking about analyst positions??
My god that is a shitload of money. My cousin (21 years old) works for oracle, and they pay him 10 lakhs, and he is considered to be really well of. But 40-50 lakhs is in a whole new level!

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i actually dont know but i

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 7:52pm

i actually dont know but i do hope its for analyst or associate position. i am confused myself b/c on this forum there was a thread on Bombay Banking numbers that stated that analysts make close to 5-7 lakhs, which sounds too little even in indian standards: software engineers fresh out of college can make more in india. i think that associates, however, make close to 40-50 lakhs. analysts can't make 50 lakhs in india b/c the banks there simply cant afford it. the deal flow isnt that fluid and thus don't have the margin to pay analysts $100K in india. associates can make close to 50 lakhs b/c its still half of what they pay here in new york.
but man, 2 lakhs a month for a 1st yr associate is still a shitload of money. my dad's friend is a vp at kotak mahindra and he is living the dream. he has drivers, servants, a huuuugeee house, a benz and a 5 series. my dad said hes making close to 1.1 crore/ yr. i hope he's happy.

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hmm, sounds awfully high for

by TheBenevolent User's RSS Feed (Orangutan, 339 Banana Points Points) on 11/21/07 at 9:05pm

hmm, sounds awfully high for analysts

50 Lakh is about $127,000, i would say 50 lakh for an analyst is impossible
even for an associate, it seems a little far stretched
i understand the progress india is going through, but, 50 lakh is stil a hugeee amount to be making yearly

i will be glad though if i am wrong :-)

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yea i hope you're wrong lol.

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/24/07 at 2:43pm

yea i hope you're wrong lol. The thing is that no one in this forum actually has ever specified the exact compensation of indian investment bankers. But I really wanna find out. Does anyone know the exact compensation numbers for investment banks in india? Please also specify the position in regard to the compensation. Thanks a lot.

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i have some info on what the

by yinyanyon User's RSS Feed (Monkey, 59 Banana Points Points) on 11/24/07 at 8:23pm

i have some info on what the money there is like...first of all...theres no way associates are making 50lakhs....i found out from my friend who's cousin is apparently an associate in DB...he is making close to 25 - 30 lakhs after bonuses which is close to $60-70K. And that too these are people who are hired from IIM or international business school of hyderabad....

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Thanks. Man, I had high

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/24/07 at 8:50pm

Thanks. Man, I had high hopes, but nonetheless, 30 lakhs is good enough. So are all of the positions in the banks filled from within India? Or do analysts/mba grads from US have the option to work in India??

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i Banking in India

by kapoor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 7 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 6:28am

Hi Everyone,
I am glad people are finally talking about Investment Banking in India.I am currently working for a Dutch Boutique in India in their M&A team.The bonus is obv related to the number of deals you close.I disagree with the fixed bonus component.
I would say an analyst today would start with 12-15 lkhs average with a bonus of atleast 100% their first year
Associates draw approx 18-20 as base with 100% bonus depending on the deals they close
Lehman, Credit Suisse and Goldman have opened thier operations in India and the pay is way more than the industry average.
The work and the exposure one gets in India is very good and your pushed on a transaction from day one.Also, you have engineers from IIT and graduates from IIM, whome you can learn a great deal from.The selection process is very hard and interview questions are highly technical.Having interviewed with I banks in Newyork, I can def say that interviewing in India is way harder
I would advise any one to do an internship in India, given the present day scenario

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Thank you very much kapoor.

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 6:47pm

Thank you very much kapoor. The information you have provided is very encouraging. I have a few questions however. What is the recruitment process for non-residents living in US? I am going to india this winter and the summer of 08, but how do I approach these banks for an internship? I really want some work experience in India. Is it advisable to start in new york (as an analyst) and then move onto india (for associate/vp positions). Or start in india as an analyst to become associate/vp in india? Thank you very much.
Btw, how is the current deal flow in India? Thanks.

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Hi slik, Sure, I would be

by kapoor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 7 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 10:55pm

Hi slik,
Sure, I would be happy to answer all your questions.
The recruitment in India is pretty much the same as the Us,although a little less structured.It works more on refrence, for example if you know a vp or an associate to forward your cv to the right hand.If you do have an Mba from the US it really helps and your resume will speak for itself. You do have a lot of Indian Investment Bankers with foreign MBA's and my advise would be to start networking like crazy.More importantly, you have a lot of headhunters in India now who specialize in Corporate Finance jobs
Also, I know friends who have worked as analysts in the US and have come back to India in a year to work in thier Indian operations with a real good salary package.
India is booming right now and you should not have trouble finding a job/internship.We curently have 63 PE funds on hold all waiting to set up shop once they get the required licenses.Between Jan to March is when all the recruiting in India begins.
Lastly, it really does not make a differnece whether you start in the US or India you would have an advantage both ways.You also have a lot of regional indian boutiques who do great work and give you great exposure.

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Thanks

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 11:14pm

Thank you so much Kapoor. You really cleared a lot of information I needed. I don't want to sound immature, but can you elaborate more on the compensation in India. For example, what is the pay package for analysts and associates in BB banks like Goldman/Citi/UBS? In addition, how is the lifestyle? For example, how the hours, the social environment and even the fringe benefits of working in India? Thank you once again.

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How many dollars is one

by holymonkey User's RSS Feed (Gorilla, 599 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 11:40pm

How many dollars is one lakh?

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1 Lakh(100000) INR = 2520

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/27/07 at 11:47pm

1 Lakh(100000) INR = 2520 USD, on 11/27/07

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Hi Slick, Salary for an

by kapoor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 7 Banana Points Points) on 11/28/07 at 12:42am

Hi Slick,
Salary for an Analyst is between 8-12 lakhs base and bonus would typically be 100% due to the deal flow in India.Associates draw between 12-18 depending on where you are.Goldman, UBs, Morgan and Credit Suisse pays you around 12-15 as a analyst and 20-25 as an associate.This excludes the bonus component and are very hard to get into.
To be honest it really depends on how good you are in your work.If your MD likes you and your closing good deals your salary can shoot 30% in 6 months.Demand for quality Investment bankers are high so firms typically pay you what it takes to keep you there.I have friends making good money and leading a very high quality of life as first year associates.Social Life in India is great expecially mumbai.Bars, Night clubs and food is great.The standard of an average Indian has gone up past 2-3 years and everyone is cashing in on the Indian story.
Working hours in regional boutiques are about 65 hours a week while the bb's are around 75-80.
Cost of living in Bombay is expensive due to escalation of real estate prices

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that is excellent

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 11/28/07 at 8:19pm

that is excellent information, Kapoor. Thank you very much. So how do you like your job? Are you enjoying your time in India? What advice do you give to hopefuls like me trying to get internship/job opportunities in India? Thanks once again Kapoor.

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Another thing you have this

by kapoor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 7 Banana Points Points) on 11/29/07 at 9:14am

Another thing you have this whole outsourcing wave in India.Goldman, Morgan etc have thier back end operations as well.The fuck up is in a bpo your working at the night shift which suks but they pay is decent and jobs are easy to get.It is always good to be on the front end i.e doing front end deals with Indian companies as well as cross-border transactions. Its great if you can get an internship here.I met a guy from one of the top PE funds recently and he is second generation Indian.I mean born and studied in the US,but is getting some experience in India.He loves it here and is planning to extend his stay from 1-3 years or so.So life here is great and the quality of work is even better.Your meeting CEO's making presentations etc within the first year itself.Again it depends on how fast you can pick up the stuff and the structure between an MD and analyst/associate is much less.
Also, if your looking at an MBA i guess foreign exposure always helps, especially since India is the flavour amongst all emerging markets right now.I love it here and there is no fucking way i am going back to the US, although i did my undergrad there.I hated the banking life out there
Hope that answers your questions

cheers

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start.in.nyc

by ghosht User's RSS Feed Certified User (Orangutan, 352 Banana Points Points) on 11/29/07 at 11:27pm

my.2.cents

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Thanks Kapoor, looks like

by slik vik User's RSS Feed (Senior Baboon, 180 Banana Points Points) on 12/1/07 at 3:56pm

Thanks Kapoor, looks like you're enjoying your life in India. How are the PE funds in India? Are you thinking of joining one? Hows the compensation in Indian PE funds? Thanks once again.

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pe funds in india are

by kapoor502 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 7 Banana Points Points) on 12/4/07 at 5:03am

pe funds in india are great...they are the best pay masters...although very competitive....infact blackstone, warburg etc do thier hiring from HBS directly for all international offices or IIM A an indian MBA institution

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READ BLOOMBERG MARKET MAG. RECENT EDITION

by Longhorn User's RSS Feed (Senior Chimp, 27 Banana Points Points) on 12/4/07 at 10:25am

There is a special on the India scene - specifically the outsourced valuation work that goes on there.

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Hi guys, Im currently an

by spetznas316 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 10 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 12:32am

Hi guys,
Im currently an incoming junior at Stern. Our recruiting only seems to be for the NY office. How would one go about trying to get interviews for offices abroad? like India.

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^I'm curious about this as

by nontargetbanker User's RSS Feed (Senior Monkey, 81 Banana Points Points) on 7/21/10 at 1:19am

^I'm curious about this as well

Non-target person with high finance dreams

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Are there any decent

by 2013 User's RSS Feed (Chimp, 3 Banana Points Points) on 7/29/10 at 11:40pm

Are there any decent Investment Banks in Pune?
Perhaps where I can get an internship in? Im a sophomore in college and travel to pune during summer.
Thank you

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