It's still possible to break in, in this economy

Hi guys, I usually read the posts here but rarely post anything. Long story short, came out of B-School a year ago. While in B-School, the firm I was going to be a Fixed Income Sales guy in blew up, so my plans were derailed a bit. But a year out, I finally managed to break in and will be starting later this summer. The below is what I think is useful to pursue a career in Sales and Trading (on the sell-side, but might apply to buy-side as well).

  1. Get a job. Even though it's not in the Markets per se, if you can get a job in a respectable firm in any field in Finance, take it. Coming out of B-School, the thing that helped me in interviews is that I already had a job. You feel more confident, and people know you're worth something. It's like dating. Easier to get a girl when you already have one.

  2. Use a targeted approach. When I reached out to people, I didn't say "I want to be in Sales and Trading etc.". I had an idea that I wanted to be on a certain type of desk, and so it helped when talking to people. Also, I knew I wanted Sales. At my age (28), people don't tolerate the "I dont care between Sales or Trading" or "Ill take anything" response as well. Also, and I think this is important, I think it's easier to transition into Sales than Trading after your MBA.

  3. Study the Markets, and know your technicals. Also, know what you do presently. People dont necessarily ask you technicals, but trust me, you feel a lot more confident going into an interview, knowing your sh*t. In my case it was : duration, convexity, difference btw a credit product and a rate product, bond math, etc. But more importantly, know what you do at present. I have a job in lev-fin, and even though its not sales and trading, people asked me about it on interviews because they expected me to be good at what I did. They want smart capable people, because they feel they can teach you the rest.

  4. Cold call like a mofo and don't get discouraged. The way I broke in is by calling people I didnt even have anything to do with. I just got their names through bloomberg and started dialing, emailing etc. The good thing about this business as opposed to mebbe i-banking (where there is more of a structure and hierarchy) is people appreciate b*lls. Frankly, there is very little downside, and tremendous upside. Even all the people who rejected me appreciated my hunger and now I have a network.

  5. Thank all the people you interviewed with. It makes a difference. Period.

Anyway, hope this helps. It's how I did it. There's plenty of ways, but the above is what worked for me.

 
San Franciscan:
I just realized how hilarious my statement was after reading my signature quote. Perhaps I should find a new one, lol.

hahaha thats really funny... thats a great quote though

and congrats dude

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

Thanks for the tips! On another note, how do I apply for this analyst position right above this post on the main page? Someone put up an "Investment Banking Analyst" job with no link or way to apply. It's teasing me as I'm going through and applying for as many jobs as possible now before I graduate next May.

 
schifm08:
Thanks for the tips! On another note, how do I apply for this analyst position right above this post on the main page? Someone put up an "Investment Banking Analyst" job with no link or way to apply. It's teasing me as I'm going through and applying for as many jobs as possible now before I graduate next May.
  1. Scroll over the "Jobs" tab at the top of the page.

  2. Click "Subscribe to Apply."

  3. Pay up.

  4. Follow the steps.

"If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars." - J. Paul Getty
 
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Congratulations Cervantes,

This is all too similar to my path.... Graduated from a top business school last year and had to take a lower end (and extremely boring) job with a lofty sounding title, a very respected company on wallstreet, and a crappy salary. It was not the true S&T experience I was looking for, and barely front office. Yet I needed to take something to pay off some of these bills

Fast forward one year, now I have a job on a trading desk. It took plenty of cold calls, linkedin messages, and blind luck. Please do not forget "blind luck", which usually is a result of 'hustle'. In fact, I didn't follow any certain path- I wasn't subscribing to a premium Doostang or updating my resume, it was a result of talking to people as often as possible(alumni, cold calls, recruiters), applying, repeat and rinse. The role I have now was certainly a case of things falling together, but it never would have occurred if I was sitting on my laurels.

Banks are certainly hiring, but it definitely has slowed down from this spring. It is mostly for specific groups needing specific needs. These roles will go to those who:

A.) Have the experience and are looking to jump ship B.) Have been hustling and their names happen to fall in the hat

If you dont have 'A', then you have to get enough 'B' to increase your odds. Its a tough road, and most weak willed individuals will drop after 6 months, but it is absolutely doable with patience (from whatever school)

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