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whateverittakes:
Ivey. I'm not from Canada, but I know a few kids in my BB class from there. My analyst classmates from Ivey told me about some kids who got into BBs, Evercore, and others who moved on to mega funds.

Ivey's MBA program is not nearly as strong as their HBA program in terms of placement. I think besides Rotman (where MBA is much stronger than their undergrad), the undergrad programs mentioned by the OP are 'better - placement/variety of recruiters wise' than their MBA counterparts.

Don - I could be mistaken, but didn't you say you were previously at McKinsey and now at a PE shop in another post? If so, you can probably end up at a decent US b-school.

 
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whateverittakes:
Ivey. I'm not from Canada, but I know a few kids in my BB class from there. My analyst classmates from Ivey told me about some kids who got into BBs, Evercore, and others who moved on to mega funds.

Ivey's MBA program is not nearly as strong as their HBA program in terms of placement. I think besides Rotman (where MBA is much stronger than their undergrad), the undergrad programs mentioned by the OP are 'better - placement/variety of recruiters wise' than their MBA counterparts.

Don - I could be mistaken, but didn't you say you were previously at McKinsey and now at a PE shop in another post? If so, you can probably end up at a decent US b-school.

getting opinion for my sister. she graduated 3 years ago with electrical eng from waterloo, did 3 yrs @ GOOG in canada and wants to move to bay street. so just trying to get a sense of what other ppl think.

 

So it sounds like she wants to stay in Toronto then. If so - I agree w/ the others - Ivey, then Queens, then McGill. I don't know much about Rotman, besides their MBA > undergrad. Though, w/ her background, she could consider US schools too - and still go through recruiting and get a bay st. job, in case she wants the option of working outside of Canada.

Just curious - how's the google office in Canada? Does it have a lot of ridiculous perks and game rooms like the one in Cali?

 

I have been doing a lot of research into the canadian mba programs as i have been thinkiing about applying. Ivey alumni are very good at helping each other out, they have offered to meet with me in person to discuss ivey, and I just said I wanted to apply, plus you can tell from the Ivey grads on here they are always offering to PM you to help you out.

You should google search the placement reports they have detailed placement informationl

Queens has a great reputation and good recruitment but their rankings may be falling so in a few years it may or may not be as highly sought after as it once was as far as the MBA is concerned.

Toronto has excellent recruitment and location very close to Bay Street but it costs more than the other programs and is a full two years, which may help in your sisters case as she want to utilize the summer to intern.

Schulich has been climbing in the rankings of late but if you speak to people who are outside of Canada they arent that familiar with it. I have looked at their placement report, and while the other schools have more recruitment for IB, schulich does place a decent number of people every year in IB and S&T.

 

@ telus325, kanon: Ivey is a one year program. The program was two years, but not anymore. The accelerated MBA offered to HBAs is 8 months long.

@op:

In terms of rankings, Ivey isn't going to show up very highly on them. The reason for that is that they simply don't participate in a lot of the surveys. The one strength that they have is their career office. It's well staffed and they are very helpful.

In terms of the alumni base, it's very strong. I've worked at two companies now where the companies was dominated by Ivey MBA grads and they really do go out of their way to meet with alumni and help people out. They also do weekly Ivey alumni gatherings where you can network and meet other Ivey grads in town. Knowing people who have graduated from Rotman, Ivey and Sauder, I'd have to say that the network from Ivey is hands down better than the others. The enthusiasm for the school I find (from talking to alumni) is very similar to Tuck.

With regards to Rotman, being right in Toronto is an advantage, but career services will really leave you on your own so you'll be doing a lot of the networking yourself. Speaking anecdotally, Rotman MBA's tend to be.. less willing to help out.

As for Schulich, the MBA program is not as strong as the others. York is, and always will be the school that people who can't get into UofT will go to. The campus location is not as desirable and frankly, it's extremely unsafe. I have a friend going to law school there and since he's been there (2L), girls have been raped in the library (WTF), had laptops stolen from them at gunpoint and there's been a murder at the subway station. if you go there, for godsake, don't stick around at night or you might just get shot.

As for the program itself, you'll find that yes, it does place into IB, but that's mostly a function of people just being at the top of their classes (i.e., they would get IB placements regardless of what school they went to) rather than getting their foot in the door because of the school name. The issue is compounded by schulich's push to get immigrants in the door. Your MBA experience is really going to be defined by your peers and alumni network and the quality of Schulich's imo (and based on my research) is lower than that of others.

Hope this helps.

 
tylderdurden:
@ telus325, kanon: Ivey is a one year program. The program was two years, but not anymore. The accelerated MBA offered to HBAs is 8 months long.

@op:

In terms of rankings, Ivey isn't going to show up very highly on them. The reason for that is that they simply don't participate in a lot of the surveys. The one strength that they have is their career office. It's well staffed and they are very helpful.

In terms of the alumni base, it's very strong. I've worked at two companies now where the companies was dominated by Ivey MBA grads and they really do go out of their way to meet with alumni and help people out. They also do weekly Ivey alumni gatherings where you can network and meet other Ivey grads in town. Knowing people who have graduated from Rotman, Ivey and Sauder, I'd have to say that the network from Ivey is hands down better than the others. The enthusiasm for the school I find (from talking to alumni) is very similar to Tuck.

With regards to Rotman, being right in Toronto is an advantage, but career services will really leave you on your own so you'll be doing a lot of the networking yourself. Speaking anecdotally, Rotman MBA's tend to be.. less willing to help out.

As for Schulich, the MBA program is not as strong as the others. York is, and always will be the school that people who can't get into UofT will go to. The campus location is not as desirable and frankly, it's extremely unsafe. I have a friend going to law school there and since he's been there (2L), girls have been raped in the library (WTF), had laptops stolen from them at gunpoint and there's been a murder at the subway station. if you go there, for godsake, don't stick around at night or you might just get shot.

As for the program itself, you'll find that yes, it does place into IB, but that's mostly a function of people just being at the top of their classes (i.e., they would get IB placements regardless of what school they went to) rather than getting their foot in the door because of the school name. The issue is compounded by schulich's push to get immigrants in the door. Your MBA experience is really going to be defined by your peers and alumni network and the quality of Schulich's imo (and based on my research) is lower than that of others.

Hope this helps.

Agree with everything that's said about the environment at Schulich (York U). I'm on a client down here and I have to say I was surprised as to how unsafe the area surrounding Schulich is. Makes you wonder how they get their profs to stick around.

 
Getgo:
tylderdurden:
@ telus325, kanon: Ivey is a one year program. The program was two years, but not anymore. The accelerated MBA offered to HBAs is 8 months long.

@op:

In terms of rankings, Ivey isn't going to show up very highly on them. The reason for that is that they simply don't participate in a lot of the surveys. The one strength that they have is their career office. It's well staffed and they are very helpful.

In terms of the alumni base, it's very strong. I've worked at two companies now where the companies was dominated by Ivey MBA grads and they really do go out of their way to meet with alumni and help people out. They also do weekly Ivey alumni gatherings where you can network and meet other Ivey grads in town. Knowing people who have graduated from Rotman, Ivey and Sauder, I'd have to say that the network from Ivey is hands down better than the others. The enthusiasm for the school I find (from talking to alumni) is very similar to Tuck.

With regards to Rotman, being right in Toronto is an advantage, but career services will really leave you on your own so you'll be doing a lot of the networking yourself. Speaking anecdotally, Rotman MBA's tend to be.. less willing to help out.

As for Schulich, the MBA program is not as strong as the others. York is, and always will be the school that people who can't get into UofT will go to. The campus location is not as desirable and frankly, it's extremely unsafe. I have a friend going to law school there and since he's been there (2L), girls have been raped in the library (WTF), had laptops stolen from them at gunpoint and there's been a murder at the subway station. if you go there, for godsake, don't stick around at night or you might just get shot.

As for the program itself, you'll find that yes, it does place into IB, but that's mostly a function of people just being at the top of their classes (i.e., they would get IB placements regardless of what school they went to) rather than getting their foot in the door because of the school name. The issue is compounded by schulich's push to get immigrants in the door. Your MBA experience is really going to be defined by your peers and alumni network and the quality of Schulich's imo (and based on my research) is lower than that of others.

Hope this helps.

Agree with everything that's said about the environment at Schulich (York U). I'm on a client down here and I have to say I was surprised as to how unsafe the area surrounding Schulich is. Makes you wonder how they get their profs to stick around.

Would you be able to elaborate on how unsafe the area surrounding Schulich is? As a prospective applicant to Schulich I am obviously rather concerned to hear about this!

 

I have been doing a lot of research on MBA programs in Canada and did a quick search on LinkedIn. to get an idea of alumni in banking. I filtered by school and counted the number of hits accross Canada for each school in the categories of Investment Banking, Investment Management, and Capital Markets. I found the following:

Ivey IB 299 IM 241 CM 155

Queen's IB 227 IM 367 CM 226

Rotman IB 146 IM 211 CM 191

Schulich IB 192 IM 264 CM 195

For a search in New York I found the following total for all the categories combined Ivey 112 Queen's 149 Rotman 108 Schulich 45

I know that this is obviously an arbitrary test as the results are based on self categorization and thus isnt the most accurate. Also, Rotmans figure is disadvantaged in that it only includes MBA's (unti recently) and Queen's is at a greater advantage in that it includes all Queens University grads rather than just those of the business program. So i did another quick test using the Unviersity name instead of the business school and in the category of IB i got the following numbers for Canada:

Western Ontario - IB: 338 UofT - IB: 384 York - IB: 296

Again these figures do get muddled by the fact that someone could have gone to york undergrad and rotman MBA and is only in IB because of Rotman, or vice versa, but it still gives some good insight into the alumni and placement for each school. Also, each school also has keen students who classify themselves into these job categories but the numbers were not significant, less than 20 for every school and all pretty much the same)

Queens looks like it has the highest number, I think because a lot of its undergrad programs outside of the business school are strong and graduates from engineering at Queens go onto banking positions after completing their MBA, UofT is in the same boat as you can see the IB number for UofT was significantly higher than that for just Rotman.

Ivey can be compared with Schulich in that both searches compared business schools that have undergrad and mba programs under the same name and Ivey had a higher number in the total categories (and much more in New York), but not drastically so. Of course that doesn't necessarily imply anything but is worth further analysis.

 

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