Mensa for Networking?

Im considering joining Mensa, I have scored that high on other IQ tests before, but I dont want to join it just to tell people (I'd feel like a dick saying that to people or having it on my resume).

The reason Im considering it is because of networking opportunities. I hear that in cities and industries (?) they have group meetups. Anyone on this ever been to one? Would it be good for IB networking in a place like NY?

If not I'll just give AA a try...

 

I feel like it would be better for networking in Academia. There's probably some members who work in finance, but I don't know if there will be enough to join solely for that reason.

"It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous. "
 

There was a very long thread on this before. You would think someone with your superior intellectual abilities would be able to use some sort of device to look up, or search for, old threads.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

Mensa only requires that you be 2 standard deviations above the mean (i.e. IQ of 130). That's really not that big a deal.

Plus IQ is a really stupid subjective measure. I only scored a 148 but I'm way smarter than a friend who scored 154.

=P lol

-MBP
 

Even if you joined I would not put that it on the resume. It looks kind of dorky and I would bet that the vast majority of individuals working in the industry are in the top 2% of the population as well...meaning that you would not be impressing many people.

But, if you want to join just for fun go for it. I just wouldn't go waving it around. Do that at your own risk.

 

I'd be much more impressed with someone who graduated with honors from a rigorous undergraduate program. So the hell if you are gifted- you have couple it with hard work to make it useful.

I have a fairly high iq according to childhood tests, but I do subpar in school (but a hard school). which matters more? the latter of course.

 

Wait, so it's a club that makes you pay dues and has an IQ requirement to be able to say you belong to it? Isn't the general consensus that the conventional IQ score is hardly a measure of intelligence? Modern psychology hasn't even defined intelligence. Debate's split like 5 different ways.

Furthermore, what a lame fucking thing to brag about. That's like joining a club for tall people or white people or people with blonde hair... all of which have been successful at some point, but whatever.

Brag about your accomplishments, not your supposed genetic potential. What a bunch of duckfuckers.

It's like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y9CC_lA4n0

 

good idea, but put it on the bottom of the resume with small letters you also never know who will you meet there - but they should be relatively bright people, and it is a good practice for your brain

imo, it would look very silly if it had a major spot on your CV, mention it among "training and certifications" or some other bottom part of the resume

 

Animalz and Shorttheworld, thanks for your replies. I am in CT, but thanks for the tip about the NYC group's events. It certainly sounds like it's worth a train ride down to NYC to check out what's happening.

As for the rest of the replies, there must have been some mean troll drive-bys around here to make some people so tender :D.

 
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I don't think it's gonna turn a lot of heads on Wall Street, and it could seriously backfire on you. I've copied and pasted a funny story from a post in 2009 that was asking the same question you are:

Edmundo Braverman:
I gotta tell you guys this story because I laugh my ass off every time I think about it. (Warning: Long Post - but worth it!)

I've got a buddy who is really bright, but he is ALL about recognition. He would literally rather receive a plaque in a room full of people than receive a cash bonus. Of course, I'm the exact opposite. I couldn't give a frog's fat ass what people think of me, but I'll take the money all day long. We know this about each other and it leads to a lot of good-natured ball busting.

Anyway, one day several years ago he says we should take the Mensa test and see who does better. I'm game until he tells me we have to go to a library at a specific time and be monitored taking an IQ test and it's just too much trouble for too little reward for me. So he goes by himself. (side note: we later took an IQ test together and his score beat mine handily)

Of course, he gets accepted to Mensa. Being the recognition whore that he is, he goes apeshit buying all kinds of Mensa shit like shirts and hats and what have you. The day his order comes in happens to be dollar drink night at a local country joint, and we make plans to go with a bunch of other buddies.

So this douchebag shows up in a button-down, long-sleeved shirt with MENSA on the tit, and he's acting like it's no big deal. I know instantly that it is my mission in life to fuck with him in a meaningful and permanent way.

I scan the bar looking for the most backward, inbred looking redneck I can find. I spot the perfect candidate over by the pool tables in a flannel shirt with cut-off sleeves and a CAT Diesel Power hat, alternately sucking down Bud Light and spitting chew into an empty bottle. I slip away from our group and approach said redneck.

"Dude, how'd you like to make a quick ten bucks?"

"I don't know, what do I have to do?" says Jethro Clampett

"You see that guy over there, leaning against the bar? Well, when I get back over there, just wander over, point at his shirt and say, 'Oh, you got one of those too?'"

He agrees and I go back to my friends at the bar. A few minutes later he comes wandering over and walks right past us. That's how fucking dumb this guy is. He walks right up to the bouncer standing by the bar who has a sheriff's badge with his name on it, and the redneck points to the badge and says to the bouncer, "Oh, you got one of those too?" The bouncer looks at him and tells him to get fucked or something because he looks at me confused and I'm jabbing my finger at my buddy going, "no...this guy".

So the redneck walks up to my buddy, points at the MENSA label on his shirt, and drawls, "Oh, you got one of those too?" My buddy looks down at him like he smelled shit and sneers, "Yeah. What did you think about the test?" sarcastically. I know at this point I'm busted.

The redneck shrugs his shoulders, takes a sip of beer, and deadpans, "It wuddn't that fuckin' tough." and then walks off. I swear to God, my buddy looked like someone just kicked him in the balls. Hell, I'm ready to go give the redneck a hundred bucks for a save like that.

My buddy is absolutely inconsolable at this point because it happened in front of all of us and we all couldn't stop laughing our asses off. What he didn't know is that we were all in on the gag and that's what we were laughing at. He thought we were laughing at the impotence of his MENSA membership.

After a couple hours of letting him walk around like someone shot his dog, I decided to come clean and tell him I'd set the whole thing up. This is the most hilarious part.

He was so crestfallen that he didn't believe me.

I told him it was all a gag, and he said, "Dude, I appreciate you trying to make me feel better, but I know you didn't set it up. That fucking inbred passed the test. This shit is meaningless." I honestly couldn't convince him that I'd set it all up. To this day I'm not sure he believes me 100%.

But you can bet we never saw that Mensa shirt again, or heard about his Mensa membership.

So to answer your question. Since you can't put a fake tan, highlighted hair, or multiple popped collars on a resume, listing your Mensa membership will have to do if you want the corporate world to know you're a douchebag.

 
Edmundo Braverman:
I don't think it's gonna turn a lot of heads on Wall Street, and it could seriously backfire on you. I've copied and pasted a funny story from a post in 2009 that was asking the same question you are:
Edmundo Braverman:
I gotta tell you guys this story because I laugh my ass off every time I think about it. (Warning: Long Post - but worth it!)

I've got a buddy who is really bright, but he is ALL about recognition. He would literally rather receive a plaque in a room full of people than receive a cash bonus. Of course, I'm the exact opposite. I couldn't give a frog's fat ass what people think of me, but I'll take the money all day long. We know this about each other and it leads to a lot of good-natured ball busting.

Anyway, one day several years ago he says we should take the Mensa test and see who does better. I'm game until he tells me we have to go to a library at a specific time and be monitored taking an IQ test and it's just too much trouble for too little reward for me. So he goes by himself. (side note: we later took an IQ test together and his score beat mine handily)

Of course, he gets accepted to Mensa. Being the recognition whore that he is, he goes apeshit buying all kinds of Mensa shit like shirts and hats and what have you. The day his order comes in happens to be dollar drink night at a local country joint, and we make plans to go with a bunch of other buddies.

So this douchebag shows up in a button-down, long-sleeved shirt with MENSA on the tit, and he's acting like it's no big deal. I know instantly that it is my mission in life to fuck with him in a meaningful and permanent way.

I scan the bar looking for the most backward, inbred looking redneck I can find. I spot the perfect candidate over by the pool tables in a flannel shirt with cut-off sleeves and a CAT Diesel Power hat, alternately sucking down Bud Light and spitting chew into an empty bottle. I slip away from our group and approach said redneck.

"Dude, how'd you like to make a quick ten bucks?"

"I don't know, what do I have to do?" says Jethro Clampett

"You see that guy over there, leaning against the bar? Well, when I get back over there, just wander over, point at his shirt and say, 'Oh, you got one of those too?'"

He agrees and I go back to my friends at the bar. A few minutes later he comes wandering over and walks right past us. That's how fucking dumb this guy is. He walks right up to the bouncer standing by the bar who has a sheriff's badge with his name on it, and the redneck points to the badge and says to the bouncer, "Oh, you got one of those too?" The bouncer looks at him and tells him to get fucked or something because he looks at me confused and I'm jabbing my finger at my buddy going, "no...this guy".

So the redneck walks up to my buddy, points at the MENSA label on his shirt, and drawls, "Oh, you got one of those too?" My buddy looks down at him like he smelled shit and sneers, "Yeah. What did you think about the test?" sarcastically. I know at this point I'm busted.

The redneck shrugs his shoulders, takes a sip of beer, and deadpans, "It wuddn't that fuckin' tough." and then walks off. I swear to God, my buddy looked like someone just kicked him in the balls. Hell, I'm ready to go give the redneck a hundred bucks for a save like that.

My buddy is absolutely inconsolable at this point because it happened in front of all of us and we all couldn't stop laughing our asses off. What he didn't know is that we were all in on the gag and that's what we were laughing at. He thought we were laughing at the impotence of his MENSA membership.

After a couple hours of letting him walk around like someone shot his dog, I decided to come clean and tell him I'd set the whole thing up. This is the most hilarious part.

He was so crestfallen that he didn't believe me.

I told him it was all a gag, and he said, "Dude, I appreciate you trying to make me feel better, but I know you didn't set it up. That fucking inbred passed the test. This shit is meaningless." I honestly couldn't convince him that I'd set it all up. To this day I'm not sure he believes me 100%.

But you can bet we never saw that Mensa shirt again, or heard about his Mensa membership.

So to answer your question. Since you can't put a fake tan, highlighted hair, or multiple popped collars on a resume, listing your Mensa membership will have to do if you want the corporate world to know you're a douchebag.

HAHAHA that is awesome Eddie

 

Ed B: HILARIOUS STORY.

To the OP: I would seriously advise against that. I had a professionally administered IQ test in high school and all I would have had to have done is mail a few copies to these high IQ societies (Mensa et al) for membership. Of course, being the shithead that I was, I told my friends first. I'll sum up what I learned with: "Your friends don't need it and your enemies don't care."

I'm not a member in any such society. It'd put me multiple steps towards douche-dom. And I think even less of those who publicly flag it, such as on a resume, thinking they might gain some kind of public advantage. I liken it to SATs on undergrad resumes and GMATs on b-school resumes. Some folks even go as far as retaking the tests once they're in school, thinking it might give them a leg up in interviews. But I think it speaks to a serious lack of confidence in one's own track record.

Don't get me wrong, I hear McKinsey cares about this stuff. But a friend (who happened to have an astronomical gmat score, and surely IQ too) told me "the only purpose of this test is to get you into b-school. Once you're in..." And he's 100% right. What's the purpose of an IQ test? A Mensa membership? It doesn't help you with any of the prerequisites needed for breaking into Wall Street. All it does is plot you on a bell curve for non-trainable or barely-trainable cognitive abilities. And what are you supposed to do with that? It's just supposed to give you certainty that you can accomplish stuff with your mind. So go accomplish stuff.

I think it's a losing strategy.

The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
 

I'd agree with the point about not putting Mensa on the resume but disagree about the analogy to SAT for undergrad resume. At my MBB firm, SAT is given some weight, albeit usually as a secondary data point.

For example, if an applicant screws up a couple calcs in the first round interview but is otherwise solid we might say 'well, what'd he get on the SAT Math?' in addition to looking at grades in quant classes. If 750+, the screw-ups will likely be pushed aside and candidate passed on to 2nd round. If sub-700, probably the nail in the coffin unless the candidate was just amazing on other dimensions.

SAT is specifically requested when applying to MBB for ugrad, so if left off the resume I will assume it's bad. I've read just over 1,000 undergrad resumes for MBB at this point and probably fewer than 10 did not list SAT.

 

Thank you guys for answers and nice story E.B. :)

I am just thinking about activities to engage in forthcoming year before applying to MBB that will stand my resume out.

I will be trying to obtain GMAT ~750 Have some ideas on businesses and some EC but Im afraid that this will not be enough..

 

Your time is much better spent building relationships with alums who will go to bat for you - even if you're non-target, there are probably people there who got in from MBA but went to your undergrad.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of Starwood Points
 
black mamba22:

So my question is: is listing MENSA on your resume a good/neutral thing or a bad thing? Does it give off the impression of intelligence or doucheyness?

Here is the definitive answer: being a member of MENSA is a silly thing to put on your resume, and you should not do it.

Seriously.

 

I work in an MBB firm and it wouldn't really impress, here's why: To be in Mensa you have to be in the top 2% in IQ. However, to even get into most of the target schools, you have to be at least this good, if not better (I'd wager the average Harvard student is in the top 1% IQ-wise at the very least, and a quick "market sizing" supports this). Then, you have to be above the average at a target to get hired. Thus, it's not really impressive, and you shouldn't put it on.

To echo the guy above me, shouldn't a MENSA member be smart enough to do this math? (sorry, that was mean, I'm just messing with you)

 

Most of the top guys at our university were not the smart ones. They were the hard working ones who memorized stuff like crazy. Worked their asses off. Just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean you're valuable to any company.

 

Initially, I thought I wouldn't give two cents about this. But then I found myself in same frustrated state as OP. Seems to be an error, or just (likely) beyond my reasoning ability.

It would seem that one step would be solving for "S" since its the only variable listed by itself twice. The vertical equations tell a lot about which digits are larger. For instance, S is larger than T, U, Y, and Z.

Gonna keep at this....

"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming a mile away."
 

Solving for last column: UV + RV = R; we know R = 2, so UV + 2V = 2. In this instance, V must equal 1, leading U = 0. However, this leads to the first row becoming 2Q + S x T = 0. With numbers equal to or greater than 3 left, I don't see how this can be solved (this is because all numbers from 0 - 9 will be used, and there are 10 letters, so each letter has a corresponding value that is not equal to any other; this is given in the puzzle description). I'm likely making a dumb error or it's just above my head.

 

That's the thing that confused me the most. I didn't know if it was supposed to be for ex. UV, where U = 4 and V = 6, is UV 46, or is it 24? If it's 24 then that helps out a little bit.

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Took a quick look and am confused as to how it can even work.

Just looking at the bottom equation; TU + Z + S = R (2)

Given they need to be 0-9 and not 2, there's no way that those numbers can add up without being greater than 2, right?

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Barney Stinson: "We'll call it Puzzles. Then everyone will be like 'Why did they call it Puzzles?' That's the Puzzle!"

"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming a mile away."
 

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