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Wondering which one is the best in terms of exit opp.

JPM (M&A group)
CS (prob financial sponsors or tech)
Lazard

Thanks

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Comments (66)

  • mergerarb15's picture

    Lazard (clear leader)
    JPM/ CS Sponsors (pretty equal)

  • sunnyday_123's picture

    I would go for

    1. JP M&A
    2. CS Sponsors
    3. Lazard

  • AdvisorPrime's picture

    This is fundamentally a question of whether you are just looking at PE/HF exit opportunities or broader exits such as corporate development, or complete industry switches.

    If the former, then Lazard is most likely the winner. If the latter, then CS and JPM are both ahead of Lazard.

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  • 9Joker's picture

    Obviously Lazard the best

  • In reply to mergerarb15
    pedaltodaflo's picture

    mergerarb15:
    Lazard (clear leader)
    JPM/ CS Sponsors (pretty equal)

    I've always heard CS Sponsors is a really good group. But would it still be a good group to be in if no buyouts are occuring?

  • Cornelius's picture

    going to lazard doesn't make ur chances better than if you're going to jpm.

    ..anyway, jpm lev fin, M&A or FIG would be my choice after Lazard restructuring.

    keep in mind that a product group trumps an industry group.

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  • xnslw3's picture

    wow there are so many lazard trolls on WSO... it's funny because all of my friends who interned at lazard over the summer rejected the full-time offer because they absolutely hated the culture. JPM or CS hands down >>>> lazard if you want to retain more than an ounce of happiness

  • Pimo15's picture

    how do i post a fucking thread it keeps saying that it is unpublished damn it!
    oh and BTW LAZARD > JPM > CS

  • bugattiveyron's picture

    Lazard will work you to the bone, but out of those three, it is the clear leader

    LAZ, BX, GS, MS generally have the best PE exit opps. Top groups at JPM/CS will place fine, but I wouldn't rank their firm as a whole quite as high as lazard

  • In reply to xnslw3
    nyc11's picture

    xnslw3:
    wow there are so many lazard trolls on WSO... it's funny because all of my friends who interned at lazard over the summer rejected the full-time offer because they absolutely hated the culture. JPM or CS hands down >>>> lazard if you want to retain more than an ounce of happiness

    According to Lazard, they gave offers to 85% of their summers this past year and 100% of those offered accepted

  • In reply to sunnyday_123
    randombetch's picture

    sunnyday_123:
    I would go for

    1. JP M&A
    2. CS Sponsors
    3. Lazard

    That's ridiculous.

    Lazard is clearly the best of those three.

    I'd say JPM > CS Sponsors since JPM has a pretty clear brand advantage. I think WSO overblows the importance of groups within firms - many people who have gone through the PE application process say groups within firms are not as important as actual firm brand. But sponsors is a great group...

  • In reply to xnslw3
    randombetch's picture

    xnslw3:
    wow there are so many lazard trolls on WSO... it's funny because all of my friends who interned at lazard over the summer rejected the full-time offer because they absolutely hated the culture. JPM or CS hands down >>>> lazard if you want to retain more than an ounce of happiness

    I call bullshit. My friend who interned there and is going back speaks very highly of it and says he would only take GS TMT over Lazard if given the choice.

  • ello's picture

    The general consensus on this board seems to be that LAZ/BX/GHL are tied with GS/MS as the top banks as far as prestige/exit opps go. JPM and CS would be slightly lower.

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  • JPMoreGuns's picture

    WTF how is Lazard clearly ahead of JP? Blasphemous.

  • GBB_19NHS's picture

    yeah maybe its a tie between LAZ and JPM but agreed I would not choose GHL over GS/MS/JPM. But I guess some people do, who knows.

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  • Beef's picture

    What you have to understand about this site is that a lot of people like to talk out of their ass without knowing a damn thing.

    Lazard is a prestigious firm, but anyone who says it is a clear leader over JPMorgan is an idiot.

    The reason a lot of people perceive JPM as having slightly lower prestige is the fact that it is a huge bank with a lot of business areas and not just an M&A shop or investment bank.

    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-tables-jp-morgan-surges-out-of-the-gate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wsj/deals/feed+(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    Look at how well JPM is doing. Lazard ain't doing too shabby either at #3. They are definitely a great shop, working on deals like Continental/United.That is a firm I would work for any day. They are mad prestigious and will give you great exit opps, yes.

    But to say they are clearly ahead of JPM is fking retarded. For some people Lazard will be a better choice, for others it's JP. Don't base your decision on what some dumbass college kids think about these firms. They get all their opinions from reading other people's posts anyway, so it's like the blind leading the blind.

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  • In reply to Beef
    dezilerua's picture

    Beef:
    What you have to understand about this site is that a lot of people like to talk out of their ass without knowing a damn thing.

    Lazard is a prestigious firm, but anyone who says it is a clear leader over JPMorgan is an idiot.

    The reason a lot of people perceive JPM as having slightly lower prestige is the fact that it is a huge bank with a lot of business areas and not just an M&A shop or investment bank.

    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-tables-jp-morgan-surges-out-of-the-gate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wsj/deals/feed+(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    Look at how well JPM is doing. Lazard ain't doing too shabby either at #3. They are definitely a great shop, working on deals like Continental/United.That is a firm I would work for any day. They are mad prestigious and will give you great exit opps, yes.

    But to say they are clearly ahead of JPM is fking retarded. For some people Lazard will be a better choice, for others it's JP. Don't base your decision on what some dumbass college kids think about these firms. They get all their opinions from reading other people's posts anyway, so it's like the blind leading the blind.

    totally agree
    moreover, lzd is known to be one of the worst sweatshops, especially in tmt

  • In reply to Beef
    BernieMADDOG's picture

    Beef:
    What you have to understand about this site is that a lot of people like to talk out of their ass without knowing a damn thing.

    Lazard is a prestigious firm, but anyone who says it is a clear leader over JPMorgan is an idiot.

    The reason a lot of people perceive JPM as having slightly lower prestige is the fact that it is a huge bank with a lot of business areas and not just an M&A shop or investment bank.

    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-tables-jp-morgan-surges-out-of-the-gate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wsj/deals/feed+(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    Look at how well JPM is doing. Lazard ain't doing too shabby either at #3. They are definitely a great shop, working on deals like Continental/United.That is a firm I would work for any day. They are mad prestigious and will give you great exit opps, yes.

    But to say they are clearly ahead of JPM is fking retarded. For some people Lazard will be a better choice, for others it's JP. Don't base your decision on what some dumbass college kids think about these firms. They get all their opinions from reading other people's posts anyway, so it's like the blind leading the blind.

    This seems right to me as well. And yes Lazard is a sweatshop, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

  • In reply to Beef
    HappyThanksgiving's picture

    Beef:

    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-tables-jp-morgan-surges-out-of-the-gate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wsj/deals/feed+(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    Look at how well JPM is doing. Lazard ain't doing too shabby either at #3. They are definitely a great shop, working on deals like Continental/United.That is a firm I would work for any day. They are mad prestigious and will give you great exit opps, yes.

    But to say they are clearly ahead of JPM is fking retarded. For some people Lazard will be a better choice, for others it's JP. Don't base your decision on what some dumbass college kids think about these firms. They get all their opinions from reading other people's posts anyway, so it's like the blind leading the blind.

    You need to consider size differences and the fact that this is 15 days worth of deals

    While I agree JPMorgan is a great firm (it's impossible to say better or worse vs. Lazard) using league tables of half a month's deals as an apples-to-apples comparison of a firm with less than 1000 bankers (Lazard IB) and a firm with over 2000 (JPM IB) is not the best metric. In fact, if this were year end results you can argue that Lazard is more impressive than JP because they did 3/4 of their deal volume despite having less than half as many bankers.

    Using this table, Morgan Stanley and Evercore would be comparable UniCredit because they are lower on the league tables simply because they haven't worked on a big deal yet this month

  • acs_london's picture

    I figure all three would be great for PE exit opps and when its such a close competition you should consider the team members of the desk and the culture. I have interviewed with LAZ and JPM and frankly liked the people and culture at JPM better; that said wherever you go be it JPM, CS or LAZ they are going to work you to the bone so forget the fact that many people say that LAZ hours are brutal. The groups you have mentioned are all top groups so I figure the hours would be equally brutal.

  • randombetch's picture

    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

  • AstonMartin's picture

    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-...(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    HAHAHA you're kidding me right? Any guesses on how many times more bankers JPM has than LAZ?

    If Toyota has more revenue this year than ferrari, that makes it the better car company?

  • HappyThanksgiving's picture

    also, those league table numbers are for 15 days (January 1-January 15th this year).

  • In reply to randombetch
    JPMoreGuns's picture

    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    I made my account before you even responded to this topic, and I have been lurking here for a while. Do you even work in the industry?

    Beef had the most reasonable answer. There is no "clear leader", it depends on one's situation.

  • In reply to AstonMartin
    CallmeSir's picture

    AstonMartin:
    This year JPM is the clear leader in M&A. Look at this WSJ article:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/01/21/2011-league-...(WSJ.com:+Deal+Journal+-+WSJ.com)&mod=deals

    (Notice how I am citing a source to show I am not talking out of my ass like some of these clowns)

    HAHAHA you're kidding me right? Any guesses on how many times more bankers JPM has than LAZ?

    If Toyota has more revenue this year than ferrari, that makes it the better car company?

    I am not sure they have more bankers in IBD at JP than Lazard...

    For example, Rothschild in Europe has more bankers than any other ibank....

  • pinkbanker's picture

    JPMoreGuns:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    I made my account before you even responded to this topic, and I have been lurking here for a while. Do you even work in the industry?

    Beef had the most reasonable answer. There is no "clear leader", it depends on one's situation.

    He goes to Princeton. He is a senior now, never had an SA internship. Random, don't laugh at different banks / make value judgments based on hearsay, you might just end up working there.

  • Cornelius's picture

    want to make an update to an earlier comment...restructuring groups are *dying* right now

    deal flow is lacking.. levfin, M&A, and industry coverage groups should be chosen over restructuring groups at this point in time.

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  • In reply to pinkbanker
    Beef's picture

    pinkbanker:
    JPMoreGuns:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    I made my account before you even responded to this topic, and I have been lurking here for a while. Do you even work in the industry?

    Beef had the most reasonable answer. There is no "clear leader", it depends on one's situation.

    He goes to Princeton. He is a senior now, never had an SA internship. Random, don't laugh at different banks / make value judgments based on hearsay, you might just end up working there.

    Who are you talking about? I may be misunderstanding you but I've never even been to Princeton.

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

  • In reply to Cornelius
    Beef's picture

    Cornelius:
    want to make an update to an earlier comment...restructuring groups are *dying* right now

    deal flow is lacking.. levfin, M&A, and industry coverage groups should be chosen over restructuring groups at this point in time.

    Yes. Restructuring was strong during the height of the crisis. Lazard was especially killing it in restructuring, to the point where they had M&A guys doing restructuring deals. Now, however, I would agree that levfin, M&A and industry coverage groups are the places to be.

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

  • In reply to randombetch
    Beef's picture

    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

  • In reply to pinkbanker
    randombetch's picture

    pinkbanker:
    JPMoreGuns:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    I made my account before you even responded to this topic, and I have been lurking here for a while. Do you even work in the industry?

    Beef had the most reasonable answer. There is no "clear leader", it depends on one's situation.

    He goes to Princeton. He is a senior now, never had an SA internship. Random, don't laugh at different banks / make value judgments based on hearsay, you might just end up working there.

    I'm not a senior... I'm a junior working at a BB this summer.

  • In reply to Beef
    randombetch's picture

    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

  • In reply to AstonMartin
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    AstonMartin:

    HAHAHA you're kidding me right? Any guesses on how many times more bankers JPM has than LAZ?

    If Toyota has more revenue this year than ferrari, that makes it the better car company?

    Comparing Toyota and Ferrari to JPM and LAZ? Please tell me you have more intelligence than that.

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  • In reply to randombetch
    Beef's picture

    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

  • GBB_19NHS's picture

    fuck the vault rankings

    "too good to be true"

    See my WSO Blog

  • In reply to Beef
    randombetch's picture

    Beef:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    I've addressed your points. Your first point was that JPM beats Lazard on league tables. That's stupid for obvious reasons (unless you're such an idiot that you can't seem to figure this one out on your own). Your second piece of evidence was Vault. I addressed this the only way I know how - with sarcasm and pity for your idiocy.

    Then you said something about prestige being subjective. Okay, so is Maserati vs BMW, but you should still take the Maserati even though BMW is more well known.

    What exactly are your qualifications? How many years have you been a banker? Half a year? You think doing bitchwork for 6 months instantly makes you an expert on top firms? Where do you work?

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    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    I've addressed your points. Your first point was that JPM beats Lazard on league tables. That's stupid for obvious reasons (unless you're such an idiot that you can't seem to figure this one out on your own). Your second piece of evidence was Vault. I addressed this the only way I know how - with sarcasm and pity for your idiocy.

    Then you said something about prestige being subjective. Okay, so is Maserati vs BMW, but you should still take the Maserati even though BMW is more well known.

    What exactly are your qualifications? How many years have you been a banker? Half a year? You think doing bitchwork for 6 months instantly makes you an expert on top firms? Where do you work?

    Complete interactive FT league tables: http://markets.ft.com/investmentBanking/tablesAndT...

    What's up motherfucker?

    Play with the parameters and watch how JPM stays near the top no matter how you look at it.

    Again my point is not that JPM is clearly better than Lazard. My point is that it is a cream of the crop banking institution and you shouldn't automatically say another bank is better than it.

    And you have YET to make an intelligent argument. You try to hide your stupidity behind pathetic attempts at sarcasm and stupid-ass comparissons. How the fuck are you gonna tell me JPM and Lazard are like BMW and Maserati? They are billion-dollar banks, not luxury cars, so stop confusing new users with your dumbass shit.

    My qualifications are irrelevant - I have made an intelligent argument based on facts and figures. You still haven't. And since you have already dodged this question twice, I am going to assume you have no qualifications. With the lack of reasoning skills you have demonstrated, I doubt you could get past a first round.

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    pinkbanker's picture

    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    I've addressed your points. Your first point was that JPM beats Lazard on league tables. That's stupid for obvious reasons (unless you're such an idiot that you can't seem to figure this one out on your own). Your second piece of evidence was Vault. I addressed this the only way I know how - with sarcasm and pity for your idiocy.

    Then you said something about prestige being subjective. Okay, so is Maserati vs BMW, but you should still take the Maserati even though BMW is more well known.

    What exactly are your qualifications? How many years have you been a banker? Half a year? You think doing bitchwork for 6 months instantly makes you an expert on top firms? Where do you work?

    Randombetch is a junior at Princeton who is going to have his first SA internship at a BB this summer. He has a 3.8 in economics so he knows a lot about banking, and he goes to Princeton which is the third best university in the entire world in terms of wall street prestige so he knows his shit.

    Random, I tried warning you, don't get in over your head and deflate your ego. i have a lot of princetonians like you who think they know everything because of the name on their diploma, you give your school a bad name. I tried being nice and warning you, if you keep this up you are going nowhere in this business. You can't survive if you have this massively douche-baggy air of superiority about you, it even comes across on the internet. There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the strengths of different banks / schools, it is just the way you do it and the fact that you don't know jack and have not worked in the industry that pisses people off. Would you be willing to work under an MD that went to villanova? Or is he not good enough for you?

    You will have people above you that went to worse schools than you, deal with it. You need to be able to make friends with people at banks that may be considered lower than the one you are working at and with people at banks that are better. You have to have the confidence to speak to people who went to a school that is worse than yours like Villanova just as you would speak to HW kids who went straight to the buy side. There will always be people who are better and worse than you, make friends with all of them and don't judge people.

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    Beef's picture

    pinkbanker:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    I've addressed your points. Your first point was that JPM beats Lazard on league tables. That's stupid for obvious reasons (unless you're such an idiot that you can't seem to figure this one out on your own). Your second piece of evidence was Vault. I addressed this the only way I know how - with sarcasm and pity for your idiocy.

    Then you said something about prestige being subjective. Okay, so is Maserati vs BMW, but you should still take the Maserati even though BMW is more well known.

    What exactly are your qualifications? How many years have you been a banker? Half a year? You think doing bitchwork for 6 months instantly makes you an expert on top firms? Where do you work?

    Randombetch is a junior at Princeton who is going to have his first SA internship at a BB this summer. He has a 3.8 in economics so he knows a lot about banking, and he goes to Princeton which is the third best university in the entire world in terms of wall street prestige so he knows his shit.

    Random, I tried warning you, don't get in over your head and deflate your ego. i have a lot of princetonians like you who think they know everything because of the name on their diploma, you give your school a bad name. I tried being nice and warning you, if you keep this up you are going nowhere in this business. You can't survive if you have this massively douche-baggy air of superiority about you, it even comes across on the internet. There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the strengths of different banks / schools, it is just the way you do it and the fact that you don't know jack and have not worked in the industry that pisses people off. Would you be willing to work under an MD that went to villanova? Or is he not good enough for you?

    You will have people above you that went to worse schools than you, deal with it. You need to be able to make friends with people at banks that may be considered lower than the one you are working at and with people at banks that are better. You have to have the confidence to speak to people who went to a school that is worse than yours like Villanova just as you would speak to HW kids who went straight to the buy side. There will always be people who are better and worse than you, make friends with all of them and don't judge people.

    I'm surprised he's from Princeton, I have a lot of friends there and they are all level-headed and down to earth. I hope for his sake he comes into his BB with a better attitude - as I'm sure all the other experienced guys here will tell you, most people in banking know their stuff, but it's the likable guys who go on to do great things. This was my problem a few years ago and I very quickly turned my attitude around - it has done a lot for me. If I did come off as arrogant in this thread, it's because I was outraged at the things being said.

    That said, with all due respect, I don't think having a 3.8 in economics gives you any banking knowledge, necessarily. I'm saying this as a mathematical economics major with a 3.7. My classes were good for technical stuff and general knowledge about how financial markets work, but everything I know about the industry I learned from having friends who have been in it for a while, from WSO, and from my own limited experience in it. Nothing came from classes. Although maybe at Princeton the profs go over industry stuff a bit more, I don't know.

    Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.

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    bfin's picture

    pinkbanker:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    Beef:
    randombetch:
    LOL wow did someone from JPM make 3 accounts and give me 9 monkey shits in 2 minutes? Seems pretty unlikely that 3 separate people gave me 3 monkey shits for the same 3 posts all at the same time. Doesn't seem like a very JPMorgan-ish thing to do, but guess they are mad jealous of Lazard.

    xnlsw, JPMoreGuns are probably the same person, and they prob both work at JP Morgan. xnlsw made a ridiculous post, got called out on it, and got pissy and made new accounts to monkey shit people who disagreed with his blatant misconceptions. Way to rep for JPM.

    I don't know why this debate even exists. Lazard > (or at least =) GS > JPM > CS, this should be common knowledge. Peace.

    Notice how you didn't actually address the argument, and instead are just focusing on ad-hominem attacks.

    And would someone really create an account named JPMoreGuns solely to support an argument on a JPMorgan/Lazard thread? I would think no one on this site is THAT thick.

    And from where I'm sitting it just sounds like you're mad that you got monkey shit thrown at you... looking at your profile, you have 46 MS's and 13 SB's. Even before this thread, you had almost a 3:1 monkey shit to silver banana ratio, and that doesn't surprise me at all. You're a real contributor.

    Again, what are your qualifications for making the claims you are making? Ask anyone who is actually in the industry if Lazard is a "clear winner" over JPM. Again, prestige is subjective, and whether you are talking about prestige or an overall firm rating, there is no clear winner between the two. Both are great investment banks to work for.

    For the record, JPMorgan is ahead of Lazard on the Vault prestige ranking (JPM is #3, after Goldman and Blackstone). Not that these rankings matter much, but it goes to show how subjective prestige is.

    Oh damn, I thought you had me when you posted league tables of 15 days worth of deals, but you then PROVED your point by referencing Vault. You're right, good game to you sir.

    You still haven't addressed my points, and haven't even attempted to cite sources. 'Nuff said.

    I've addressed your points. Your first point was that JPM beats Lazard on league tables. That's stupid for obvious reasons (unless you're such an idiot that you can't seem to figure this one out on your own). Your second piece of evidence was Vault. I addressed this the only way I know how - with sarcasm and pity for your idiocy.

    Then you said something about prestige being subjective. Okay, so is Maserati vs BMW, but you should still take the Maserati even though BMW is more well known.

    What exactly are your qualifications? How many years have you been a banker? Half a year? You think doing bitchwork for 6 months instantly makes you an expert on top firms? Where do you work?

    Randombetch is a junior at Princeton who is going to have his first SA internship at a BB this summer. He has a 3.8 in economics so he knows a lot about banking, and he goes to Princeton which is the third best university in the entire world in terms of wall street prestige so he knows his shit.

    Random, I tried warning you, don't get in over your head and deflate your ego. i have a lot of princetonians like you who think they know everything because of the name on their diploma, you give your school a bad name. I tried being nice and warning you, if you keep this up you are going nowhere in this business. You can't survive if you have this massively douche-baggy air of superiority about you, it even comes across on the internet. There is nothing inherently wrong with discussing the strengths of different banks / schools, it is just the way you do it and the fact that you don't know jack and have not worked in the industry that pisses people off. Would you be willing to work under an MD that went to villanova? Or is he not good enough for you?

    You will have people above you that went to worse schools than you, deal with it. You need to be able to make friends with people at banks that may be considered lower than the one you are working at and with people at banks that are better. You have to have the confidence to speak to people who went to a school that is worse than yours like Villanova just as you would speak to HW kids who went straight to the buy side. There will always be people who are better and worse than you, make friends with all of them and don't judge people.

    Man you just shitted on em' haha "Son I WARNED you" hahaha

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  • randombetch's picture

    Your qualifications are irrelevant because you posted some league tables and referenced Vault guides? You say you've made intelligent arguments because of league tables and vault guides?

    Yeah, I'm done talking to this boutique kid. Go back to helping bakeries merge with ice cream stores.

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    bfin's picture

    randombetch:
    Your qualifications are irrelevant because you posted some league tables and referenced Vault guides? You say you've made intelligent arguments because of league tables and vault guides?

    Yeah, I'm done talking to this boutique kid. Go back to helping bakeries merge with ice cream stores.

    Are you too good to talk to him? Is that why?

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    WSO is not your personal search function.

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    randombetch's picture

    blackfinancier:
    randombetch:
    Your qualifications are irrelevant because you posted some league tables and referenced Vault guides? You say you've made intelligent arguments because of league tables and vault guides?

    Yeah, I'm done talking to this boutique kid. Go back to helping bakeries merge with ice cream stores.

    Are you too good to talk to him? Is that why?

    No, because he doesn't seem to get that tons of deals with 200k employees < tons of deals with 2000 employees.

    Seriously, what kind of retard posts a league table showing 1. JPM, 2. BAML, 3. GS and uses that to say JPM > Lazard? And by that logic, BAML > GS?

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